#indiewebcamp 2015-04-11

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GWG Hmm...we got all the way to the Digital Reader guy today.
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kylewm benwerd: i don't think i'm getting push pings from you anymore
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benwerd uh oh
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benwerd will check
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benwerd thanks for the heads up
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ben_thatmustbeme good evening #indiewebcamp
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GWG Evening, ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme what is everyone up to?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "everyone up to" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=everyone+up+to&summary=prompted+by+ben_thatmustbeme+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-10%2Fline%2F1428712409049
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ben_thatmustbeme sigh
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@nobantu All Notes that have been sent in so far for #IIW #IIWXX are not up on the wiki! http://iiw.idcommons.net/IIW_20_Notes #VRM #blockchain #indieweb #Picos (twitter.com/_/status/586690007185756160)
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benwerd What is existence?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "existence" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=existence&summary=prompted+by+benwerd+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-10%2Fline%2F1428714516427
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benwerd What is the answer to life, the universe and everything?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "answer to life, the universe and everything" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=answer+to+life%2C+the+universe+and+everything&summary=prompted+by+benwerd+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-10%2Fline%2F1428714559864
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benwerd The answer to life, the universe and everything is 42
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loqi.me created /answer_to_life,_the_universe_and_everything (+76) "prompted by benwerd https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-10/line/1428714559864 and dfn added by benwerd" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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benwerd helps
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benwerd What is the answer to life, the universe and everything?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/answer_to_life,_the_universe_and_everything
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benwerd Good job, Loqi
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Loqi who, me?
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kylewm is surprised benwerd doesn't use oxford commas
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benwerd I do but Adams was a Cambridge man
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benwerd wanted to stay punctuation-faithful
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kylewm benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 74 karma
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benwerd Question: WordPress asks for FTP details so it can automatically install plugins. Do we think this is a safe / unsafe / lame / okay idea?
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benwerd My server has FTP disabled (as all servers really should) and WordPress doesn't support SFTP, but it should work for most shared hosts at least
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benwerd And if that doesn't seem like a good idea for installing plugins, is there anything that would be an acceptable alternative? Bearing in mind that the command line is usually not an option.
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kylewm FTP does seem an odd way to do it, why wouldn't the Wordpress install itself download and install the packages?
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kylewm oh, maybe this is for uploading custom packages, rather than selecting plugins from a blessed plugin directory?
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd, we already had that
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ben_thatmustbeme what is 42?
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Loqi The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything is … 42 https://indiewebcamp.com/42
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ben_thatmustbeme and I am SO getting tired of loqi
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benwerd ben_thatmustbeme I guess now we have it both ways
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ben_thatmustbeme actually, i think we already had that too
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ben_thatmustbeme what is The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything
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Loqi The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything is … 42 https://indiewebcamp.com/Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life,_The_Universe,_and_Everything
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ben_thatmustbeme see
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benwerd kylewm: for the WP install to download and install the packages, executable code would need to be placed in an uploaded data directory with web server write permissions, which seems bad
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benwerd You're right
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benwerd I fail
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benwerd I'll go clean up the extra page :)
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ben_thatmustbeme honestly I've stopped reading this chat because i'd say half of the text is people asking 'what is' and that using it to fill the wiki with garbage
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werd.io edited /answer_to_life,_the_universe_and_everything (-76) "Blanked the page" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme puts making my own client on the forefront again. can regex filter loqi out of things
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ben_thatmustbeme thats right, we can't delete
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ben_thatmustbeme might as well just redirect
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aaronpk maybe ppl should stop putting junk into the wiki then? just sayin' ;-)
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: you can always /ignore Loqi
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benwerd I apologize
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kylewm.com edited /answer_to_life,_the_universe_and_everything (+82) "Redirected page to [[Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything]]" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, problem is that completely ignores him, which kills off people leaving me messages
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kylewm benwerd: it's a really interesting problem about installing plugins. i'm curious to hear what others suggestion
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kylewm like, cPanel must do it somehow
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benwerd cpanel seems to do something much lower level
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benwerd running scripts on the server
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aaronpk i think the reason wordpress has that is in case the web server user doesn't have write permissions on its own, so the wordpress code can't go update files
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ben_thatmustbeme looks back to find context to this
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aaronpk it's technically not very safe to have the wordpress files writable by the web server
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aaronpk much easier to hack that way
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benwerd right, exactly - so the scripts don't have the right permissions, but an FTP client can effectively bypass that
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benwerd FTP isn't exactly secure either, but it's virtually ubiquitous nonetheless
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benwerd Anyway. That's the question I've been trying to resolve in my head today.
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benwerd With that: wine.
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aaronpk great idea
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ben_thatmustbeme was just about to ask benwerd some questions about his requirements, but he's gone
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GWG I just added a form to my little posting project.
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acegiak GWG: The like/bookmark one?
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GWG acegiak: Yes. If you don't pass a URL, it now shows a form.
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acegiak ah neat!
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GWG acegiak: I may add one for adding a quick note too.
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GWG Trying to decide what else to add before I push the feature.
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atomicules.co.uk edited /Jekyll (+69) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks__ Pure CSS reverse Markdown: https://twitter.com/mahemoff/status/586635802244997120?s=09
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@mahemoff Pure-CSS reverse markdown! Show HTML as Markdown https://gist.github.com/ImJasonH/c00cdd7aece6945fb8ea https://twitter.com/mahemoff/status/586635802244997120/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/586635802244997120)
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rhiaro Omg I just hit like on a post on Monocle without thinking and it actually just worked and that was the best thing ever (aaronpk)
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rhiaro s/on Monocle/in Monocle
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Loqi rhiaro meant to say: Omg I just hit like on a post in Monocle without thinking and it actually just worked and that was the best thing ever (aaronpk)
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@diplix @hmans wenn du ne gute webmention-lösung auf php-basis kennst die sich per js/jquery in vorhandene seiten einbinden lässt, sag bescheid. (twitter.com/_/status/586872251619926016)
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@hmans @diplix Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob PHP, aber ist webmention.io nicht hosted + embed + webhooks? (twitter.com/_/status/586877596174016512)
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@hmans Some ramblings on Webmention, IndieWeb et al: http://hmans.io/zdu480 (twitter.com/_/status/586886252722552832)
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hmans nods
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@anderiasch RT @hmans: Some ramblings on Webmention, IndieWeb et al: http://hmans.io/zdu480 (twitter.com/_/status/586887363911094272)
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hmans nods again
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@WamSwagner RT @HongPong: good explanation of content silos http://indiewebcamp.com/silo and why you need #indieweb in the long run instead. POSSE publish on… (twitter.com/_/status/586914950863458304)
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@diplix @hmans cool. last time i checked war webmention.io nicht open für jeden. gleich nochmal ansehen … (twitter.com/_/status/586916318105985024)
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@skddc RT @hmans: Some ramblings on Webmention, IndieWeb et al: http://hmans.io/zdu480 (twitter.com/_/status/586918783643713536)
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@hmans @diplix Es lässt jeden rein, der IndieAuth kann, wozu ich 'ne Meinung habe :/\/\/\/ aber hey. Es ist ein Anfang. (twitter.com/_/status/586921822739951617)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10101360330034501 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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@KlausTrainer RT @hmans: Some ramblings on Webmention, IndieWeb et al: http://hmans.io/zdu480 (twitter.com/_/status/586928833674289152)
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Loqi [bridgy] Christine Herron RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#10155139628430249)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#550356182635 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club
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@tomwiththeweath RT @hmans: Some ramblings on Webmention, IndieWeb et al: http://hmans.io/zdu480 (twitter.com/_/status/586938378253283328)
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@hugoroyd Thank you @erinjo & @benwerd for making #indieWeb easy https://twitter.com/hugoroyd/status/586938600610254849/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/586938600610254849)
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kylewm is anybody already auto-embedding links to tweets?
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kylewm the new twitter QT thing looks crummy on my site
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kylewm i'm thinking aaronpk might be, at least with his collection posts
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Loqi [mention] http://atomicules.co.uk linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/repost (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://atomicules.co.uk linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/antipattern#invisible_metadata (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://atomicules.co.uk linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/reply (webmention)
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kylewm question: is there any reason not to combine multiple applications (redwind, woodwind) under one application server (uwsgi)?
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kylewm the idea is instead of having 2 workers for each, i could have 4 workers shared between them
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kylewm (I want it to be more like php where you can just add new little services everywhere without having to spin up a dedicated application server for each one)
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kylewm ((at least I assume that's what php's like))
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bengo kylewm I use Kubernetes for this
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bengo *am trying to
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bengo will publish my configs for that in the next 20m
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@erinjo RT @hugoroyd: Thank you @erinjo & @benwerd for making #indieWeb easy https://twitter.com/hugoroyd/status/586938600610254849/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/586958912345153537)
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bengo kylewm https://github.com/gobengo/bcloud
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kylewm bengo: this is pretty wild, but it's a little over my head technically. would it address the use case i described by creating a new container for each application?
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bengo Exactly
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bengo Yeah it's all new to me too (and most others) but fun to research.
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bengo Where container doesn't have to imply anything about e.g. whether one app uses php/nginx and another node.js
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bengo As long as they can make a file like this that describes the build/run step https://github.com/gobengo/bengo-web/blob/master/Dockerfile
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@diplix @hmans so. theoretisch/ansatzweise kann http://wirres.net jetzt h-card, h-entry und webmention. (twitter.com/_/status/586989438988918784)
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@nobantu All Notes that have been sent in thru 2:30MST #IIW #IIWXX are now up on the wiki! http://iiw.idcommons.net/IIW_20_Notes #VRM #blockchain #indieweb #Picos (twitter.com/_/status/586991494667468800)
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@nobantu All Notes sent in thru 2:30MST #IIW #IIWXX @idworkshop are now up on the wiki! http://iiw.idcommons.net/IIW_20_Notes #VRM #blockchain #indieweb #Picos (twitter.com/_/status/586995113357770752)
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KevinMarks Maybe this is how to send pull requests : https://twitter.com/anutthara/status/586308076862439424?s=09
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@anutthara Epic! "If developers wrote commit messages like bloggers write link bait titles" Via @kateho https://twitter.com/anutthara/status/586308076862439424/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/586308076862439424)
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@hmans @diplix Lass uns mal bei nebenan oder drumherum unsere IndieWeb-Notizen vergleichen, ich bin mit meinem Projekt ja sehr aktiv in der Ecke. (twitter.com/_/status/587003320067346433)
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kylewm turn your existing documents into structured data with this one weird trick
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billseitz anyone available to answer a question about setting up rel-me bits?
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snarfed billseitz: sure, shoot
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billseitz So, here’s my situation….
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billseitz 1. I have domain fluxent.com - kinda mix of personal and personal-business
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billseitz 2. host webseitz.fluxent.com is the more personal section of it
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billseitz 3. my wikilog is at http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki
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billseitz ….
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billseitz So I want my social media profiles to point to #3
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billseitz But it seems most logical (plus a little easiest for some tangential reasons) to put my hcard and rel-me bits at #2.
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billseitz Would that work?
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billseitz Or do social media profiles have to point to exact same URL/page where the hcard/relme bits are?
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billseitz The GettingStarted page says simply “Make sure that the profiles link back to your domain”
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kylewm billseitz: for the purposes of indieauth, your silo profile has to point exactly to the page on your site with a rel-me back to that silo
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kylewm but that can be just one invisible <link rel="me"> in the <head> if you want... your full h-card and all that can be anywhere
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billseitz thanks
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kylewm there has been some thought about beefing up indieauth to handle those cases where like A links to B links to C links to A
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kylewm but that's kinda difficult to do
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billseitz yep, i hear you
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billseitz I’ll deal with it
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kylewm just logged into https://developer.wordpress.com/apps/ and there are 5 "RedWind Local" apps configured. any idea how that could have happened?
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kylewm cc: snarfed?
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snarfed huh interesting
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snarfed no clue
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snarfed oh actually i bet those are your other users somehow
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snarfed somehow provisioned their wp apps under your account?
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snarfed look at their user permissions
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kylewm oops, I deleted them :/
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kylewm now I will never know :(
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snarfed hah
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kylewm but I don't think that was it, the IDs were all sequential -- which makes me think they were all created at once
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snarfed huh
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kylewm snarfed: lemme know if you want to talk FB IDs
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snarfed kylewm: oh man i don't i really really don't
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snarfed (but we need to :/ )
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kylewm :D
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snarfed so actually converting from new to old format is trivial
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snarfed and now we know the context for having new ids, etc
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snarfed so maybe we just add an id normalizing step, like you described, and skip objects with ids in unknown formats (and log a warning)
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snarfed …?
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kylewm I have been assuming, but I should ask explicitly -- is duplicate checking based solely on the tag_uri?
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snarfed duplicate checking? you mean, for the colon ids?
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kylewm looking at tasks.poll, I think yes
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kylewm I just mean, when it sees a comment and decides whether to backfeed it or not
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kylewm it just checks the database for an object with that id
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snarfed right
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snarfed (and now whether the content has changed)
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snarfed but yes
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kylewm and... we're already normalizing two different types of comment id
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kylewm post_comment and user_post_comment
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snarfed hah yeah good point
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snarfed precedent, of a sort
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kylewm so yeah I think we're in total agreement
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snarfed ok yay :( :( :( :( :(
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Loqi woot
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kylewm coulda gone either way there Loqi
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Loqi yeah!
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snarfed hah
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snarfed at least the code should be simple. maybe even less total than these two blocks https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/facebook.py#L196
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kylewm I was starting to think about your/kevin's micropub for hosted blogs idea, but i'll work on this instead
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kylewm unless you want to
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kylewm i'm assuming you do not want to
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kylewm :)
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snarfed sure! either!
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snarfed actually go ahead on the micropub thing, i can do this
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snarfed (unless you really really want to do this)
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kylewm ok! think GAE is the way to go?
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snarfed up to you!
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snarfed seems pretty straightforward. needs to support oauth, store access tokens, and look them up later to make silo api calls
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snarfed so the only req't is storage
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kylewm Heroku would be the obvious choice for me if i wasn't afraid of the free tier going away soon