#indiewebcamp 2015-04-17

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GWG Does anyone use php-mf2 for generating link previews?
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kylewm GWG: I assume aaron and barnaby do, what are you thinking about?
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GWG kylewm: Well, still working on that web actions thing, since I'm stuck not moving.
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GWG I wanted to make it use the gambit of existing php-mf2 tools to generate the information brought in.
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@awasim When Is Open-Source & Self-Hosted Worth the Inconvenience? | Jeffrey Kishner http://blog.scriptingsysadmin.com/post/116600332961/when-is-open-source-self-hosted-worth-the#_=_ web, software, indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/588869019509383169)
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kylewm GWG: I suspect you'll want to use https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner
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tantek GWG do you have specific /link-preview presentation goals in mind?
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GWG I'm working on figuring that out
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GWG It is all part of my attempt to make sharing easy
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GWG kylewm: I've already added all the php-mf tools to my project
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tantek GWG, I suggest some brainstorming / prototyping of what presentation you want first, before digging into libraries
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tantek GWG, feel free to add new subsections here with your thoughts (even just raw / braindump) about why and how you want to present link-previews: http://indiewebcamp.com/link-preview#brainstorming
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GWG Hmm
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GWG I tend to try to build basic presentations...
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@fourtonfish @jgmac1106 @chrislarry33 @withknown I did read about #indieweb a while ago, I actually have WordPress installed on my server -- (twitter.com/_/status/588887514510974976)
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dariusdunlap tantek: rel-me article captures it. but I think I have some other clarifications to make.
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dariusdunlap tantek: also, I found a lot o dead links and bad examples linked up in the various pages… taking notes.
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dariusdunlap tantek: I’m going to try to turn mine into a good example to include.
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@kevinmarks @jcenters @GlennF in this sense http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture see also http://indiewebcamp.com/app.net (twitter.com/_/status/588939091779006464)
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@humanproject @David_R_Wheeler @alexismadrigal We're well beyond institutions. #indieweb #OSOS2015 et al... Enroute #Eywa Near term hack: #BasicIncome (twitter.com/_/status/588941087127003136)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/12802152/807045706055031/10152797192437997 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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petermolnar good morning
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acegiak morning!
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@hackr @martinlindner auf twitter schwer aber mehr dazu hier http://hackr.de/2014/10/04/der-besserwisser-pt-1-revisited (offensichtlichstes thema für de privacy, sicher auch indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/589020121030590465)
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@martinlindner #indieweb! gerade erst mitbekommen: #MyWord plain open blog-editor von @davewiner, via @hackr, gibts seit 4 wochen. http://scripting.com/2015/03/23/mywordEditorIsOpenSource.html (twitter.com/_/status/589027358138597376)
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@davewiner RT @martinlindner: #indieweb! gerade erst mitbekommen: #MyWord plain open blog-editor von @davewiner, via @hackr, gibts seit 4 wochen. http… (twitter.com/_/status/589034134871404544)
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@martinlindner jetzt bin ich in meinem leben einmal von Doc Searls im blog verlinkt & einmal von Dave Winer RTet worden. gibts dafür ein #indieweb-badge? (twitter.com/_/status/589034806522028032)
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Loqi [bridgy] CodeMontage retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/CodeMontage/status/589041371979390976)
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@barryf Video of the Tech Talk I presented to my @globaldev team on the #indieweb and why it's important you #ownyourdata http:///125167234 (twitter.com/_/status/589048878374105088)
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Loqi [mention] Barry Frost posted 'Here’s a video of the Tech Talk I presented last month to my globaldev team on the #indieweb and why I believe it’s important that you #own...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com (https://barryfrost.com/2015/04/here-s-a-video-of-the)
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@tayoakinmade Tech Talk: Why we need the #indieweb http:///2015/04/tech-talk-indieweb/ via @globaldev (twitter.com/_/status/589049855353495553)
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@simonbingham RT @barryf: Video of the Tech Talk I presented to my @globaldev team on the #indieweb and why it's important you #ownyourdata https://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/589050321541996544)
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@globaldev RT @barryf: Video of the Tech Talk I presented to my @globaldev team on the #indieweb and why it's important you #ownyourdata https://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/589050775860600832)
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barryf Morning everyone. Here's a video of a tech talk I did introducing the Indieweb: https://barryfrost.com/2015/04/here-s-a-video-of-the
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barryf (Please excuse the RTs)
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barryf It was to an audience of ~30 of my team as part of our monthly tech talks. I'm hoping to have convinced a few of them to try for themselves.
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GWG Hello, barryf
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barryf Hi GWG. How are you?
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GWG Hurt myself yesterday. Been lying around trying to heal. On a positive note, have a laptop and have been working on a project.
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GWG A way of quickly posting things.
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barryf Oh dear. Well at least you've had an opportunity to work on that.
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barryf Is that via Micropub?
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GWG barryf: It's nothing too bad. But not via Micropub. Snarfed did the WordPress micropub interface.
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jonnybarnes hello all
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GWG barryf: Basically, web action type handling. Send in a URL and get a 'Like' or 'Bookmark' type post. So, much simpler.
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barryf GWG: Sounds great. Something you could use via a bookmarklet?
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barryf Hi jonnybarnes
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GWG barryf: Exactly. Among other things. You were one of the inspirations, indirectly.
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GWG barryf: You POSSE to Pinboard. I keep a lot of bookmarks in there, and wanted to move to keeping them in my site.
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jonnybarnes hi barryf, how come #ownyourdata isn't clickable in your talk post?
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GWG Which meant I needed a friction-free way of saving them there
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barryf GWG: Nice. So just as convenient as using the Pinboard bookmarklet.
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barryf jonnybarnes: Oops. I think that was my regex not picking up the full-stop. I've tweaked it.
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GWG barryf: I'm hoping. And to use the same bookmarklet on my phone, or similar solution. I do a lot of reading there.
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GWG So, this has the potential to be the most useful project for me yet, unifying a lot of the other stuff I did with a UI.
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GWG Although not everyone understands the use case. But not everyone wants micropub. As long as I want the thing...
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Loqi gives GWG the thing
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GWG slaps Loqi around with a dead trout
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barryf GWG: I use my bookmarklets on my phone all the time. As you say, lower friction and very useful to you personally.
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GWG I just wish I had a better way to share from the Android sharing intent system
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voxpelli GWG: WIll your web action thing also be exposeable through indie-config? So it can work with indie-action tags polyfills?
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Loqi [bridgy] Jacqueline Linang favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/588821191265136641)
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GWG voxpelli: That was my intention
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GWG I was going to look at the work done at IWC last year on that
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voxpelli GWG: great! ping me if you need help with any of the hackish parts of it
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voxpelli GWG: my blog has all the buttons working if you need to test it: http://voxpelli.com/2014/10/indie-config-overview/
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GWG voxpelli: Still working on the code that turns a URL into a nicely formatted post
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voxpelli good direction to start in!
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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GWG voxpelli: I have the general overview of what I want to do. Need to fill in the pieces, then iterate
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voxpelli good morning ben_thatmustbeme!
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jonnybarnes is indieauth failing for anyone else
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ben_thatmustbeme gah, can't get this chrome notifications working still
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jonnybarnes "Unknown error retrieving https://jonnybarnes.uk:"
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jonnybarnes but my website is defo up!
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ben_thatmustbeme i got no errors logging in
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ben_thatmustbeme why is there a : at the end?
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ben_thatmustbeme jonnybarnes: I can attempt to login to my site with your url fine
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jonnybarnes hmmmm
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jonnybarnes so I got the error after trying to log into OSM via OpenID
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jonnybarnes I then get presented with the lost of known login options, I clicked on the Google link and thats when I get the error
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ben_thatmustbeme i tried a rescan of your site and the only option it found was gpg key
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ben_thatmustbeme the other options may have been cached
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ben_thatmustbeme then i got 'There was an SSL error connecting to https://jonnybarnes.uk'
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ben_thatmustbeme thats all i get now
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ben_thatmustbeme jonnybarnes: now its back, but again, only GPG
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jonnybarnes "There was an SSL error connecting to https://jonnybarnes.uk" great...
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ben_thatmustbeme seems intermittent
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: what's the problems with the Chrome notifications?
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ben_thatmustbeme seems to be actually a problem of my API key isn't working
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ben_thatmustbeme not sure what is wrong with it
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, so... weird. it works from my current machine, but not from my server
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ben_thatmustbeme it worked!
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ben_thatmustbeme well, i need to actually send data instead of just a default message
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ben_thatmustbeme but i got a push notification from my server
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ben_thatmustbeme mwuhahahaha
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gRegorLove Is it just me or is it weird for the CEO of Medium to be talking about openness and decentralization? Your business model is centralization. https://medium.com/@ev/sometimes-things-stay-stuck-a0796cc638a3
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gRegorLove "I’m intrigued to hear what, more specifically, would push things in the other direction."
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gRegorLove Build something that makes it easier for people to publish on their own site instead of medium.com?
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petermolnar or at least provide api to post to medium...
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ben_thatmustbeme now back to real work
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@matdryhurst @juhavantzelfde @maya_kal_ @AlwysEvrythng worth watching @caseorganic talk on #indieweb that deals with this issue https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/589085313806376960)
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@10kInMidwest Doing some document spring cleaning and chuckling at pre2005 me. My new goal is to ensure this museum of edocs lives on #backup #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/589085761217110017)
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KevinMarks_ https://www.ostraining.com/blog/general/marketing-saas/?utm_source=indieweb&utm_medium=webmention
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KevinMarks_ $200M spent on advertising website creation tools
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@kevinmarks $200M on advertising website creation tools in 2014 - then there's https://withknown.com/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/OSTraining/status/588859555037257728 (twitter.com/_/status/589086429138923520)
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: it looks like I was getting some SSL errors saying the hostname on your certificate didn't match
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: hmmm
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: :( I think it might be my TLS setup
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jonnybarnes yeah, i think its my setup
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: what version of OpenSSL do you have installed on your server?
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aaronpk very strange... if you figure it out, is there something you could add to /https to help others troubleshoot?
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aaronpk hmm good question... it's hard to tell
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jonnybarnes Cause I'm using Mozilla’s modern setup, so I only support TLSv1.2 and TLSv1.1, and OpenSSL 0.9.* only supports up to TLSv1.0
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aaronpk here's why it's hard to tell http://aaron.pk/a4VU1
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aaronpk glad I wrote that... one sec
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aaronpk I have the Oct 1, 2014 version
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aaronpk there's an update, I should go install that
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jonnybarnes ok, can you try something for me, try `openssl s_client help` which should give you a list of arguments
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aaronpk sure
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jonnybarnes do you see -tls1_1 or -tls1_2
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jonnybarnes or only -tls1
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aaronpk both
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jonnybarnes oh crap
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jonnybarnes I thought that was it
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Loqi hehe
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jonnybarnes what happens if you try openssl s_client -connect jonnybares.uk:443 from you vps?
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aaronpk "gethostbyname failure" :P
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aaronpk looks like it worked
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jonnybarnes huh?
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aaronpk you were missing an "n"
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jonnybarnes oh :(
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jonnybarnes right, so that worked, am I barking up the wrong tree though, does indieauth.com use openssl (even indirectly) when connecting to sites?
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aaronpk yes, via Ruby's Mechanize gem https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/blob/master/lib/relparser.rb#L29
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jonnybarnes right, so I've just edited my config to re-enable TLSv1 for now
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jonnybarnes and can confirm that with OpenSSL 0.9.8zd I can connect with the -tls1 flag
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jonnybarnes but clicking re-scan still says an SSL error occured
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aaronpk still getting the hostname doesn't match error
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jonnybarnes so even without using -servername my openssl still verifies everything
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jonnybarnes http://hastebin.com/ajidohiqay.avrasm
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aaronpk error?
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aaronpk http://hastebin.com/ajidohiqay works
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@stevesmith2609 @mackenziechild Was just watching a presentation about indieweb which might help you decide where your data lives https://vimeo.com/125167234 (twitter.com/_/status/589099265449926657)
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jonnybarnes oh
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jonnybarnes anyway, I have no idea why you should be getting a hostname mismatch?
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jonnybarnes jonnybarnes.uk is set as a Subject Alt Name
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aaronpk where is the SAN supposed to show up in that? cause your cert is for sha2.jonnybarnes.uk
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jonnybarnes http://hastebin.com/jubegadiyi
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jonnybarnes where it says here
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jonnybarnes its just the inital output doesnt show everything
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jonnybarnes but OpenSSL should know about the other CNs when using s_client
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jonnybarnes what's the full error message you're getting?
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jonnybarnes aaronpk
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aaronpk "hostname does not match the server certificate"
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aaronpk here's the really weird thing... if I open a ruby console, it works fine
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aaronpk i think this might be the same intermittent problem as before...
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aaronpk yup... try it now
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jonnybarnes Working, just logged in to OSM
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jonnybarnes what do we think was wrong?
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aaronpk it's this bug https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/78
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aaronpk https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/10533
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aaronpk there was a ruby bug for resuming ssl sessions
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jonnybarnes and can I go back to Mozilla’s modern TLS setup (i.e. drop TLSv1 support)
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aaronpk yeah, that had nothing to do with it
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jonnybarnes excellent, will a bugfix for that ever make it onto your server?
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aaronpk i'm going to have to update the system ruby to something newer than 1.9.3, which i should really do now
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aaronpk i think i can test all the projects under a new ruby on my laptop and assume that if they work there, they'll work on the server
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aaronpk then i can upgrade ruby in place instead of needing to make another server
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aaronpk oh I only have 3 ruby apps on the server... this shouldn't be hard
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@acegiak Do we have an #indieweb equivalent of global hashtags and livetweeting yet? Maybe @yacy_search can help us do it - http://acegiak.net/2015/04/18/10357/ (twitter.com/_/status/589106323645542401)
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cweiske acegiak, I discussed such a thing yesterday with aaronpk
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aaronpk yeah!
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aaronpk super excited to do it
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acegiak oh neat!
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/PubSubHubbub.club/issues
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GWG The Indieweb equivalent of those is what?
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GWG Hello, by the way
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acegiak the whole post was saying that if your local yacy is auto indexing your new posts then by default hte livetweet hashtag can be searched through yacy?
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acegiak at least, it can be for everyone who is doing that
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cweiske I don't know if yacy is the correct tool for that
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acegiak I don't know either. I'm just throwing ideas around
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acegiak I'm the spitballin' queen
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aaronpk just updated all the ubuntu packages... including php
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aaronpk now installing new ruby
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acegiak I feel like one of the draws of twitter is the ability to take part in those global conversations that aren't necessarily with people in your influence circles
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acegiak global hashtags make that easy
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aaronpk pubsubhubbub.club would definitely make that possible
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acegiak what is pubsubhubbub.club
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pubsubhubbub.club" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=pubsubhubbub.club&summary=prompted+by+acegiak+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-17%2Fline%2F1429289257287
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aaronpk pubsubhubbub.club is an idea for an aggregator that subscribes to people's PuSH feeds and publishes tag-specific feeds back out from the aggregate posts. https://github.com/aaronpk/PubSubHubbub.club
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loqi.me created /pubsubhubbub.club (+225) "prompted by acegiak https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-17/line/1429289257287 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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GWG Acegiak, you have a minute for brain picking?
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acegiak always
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GWG I'm trying to add support to extract data from a URL to add into the post kind. Anu thoughts on what is important?
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acegiak where's this happening? which url?
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acegiak is this where you just enter the url and it autopopulates the other post kind fields?
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GWG Acegiak, exactly.
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acegiak the title is the most important thing. The author name and citation are probably equal after that
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acegiak also, question, what mf2 field does your Site Name/Publication/Album box map to?
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GWG P-publication
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GWG I might consider storing some other parameters. Like a site image if no author image
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acegiak aaronpk: in the pubsubhubbub.club model if I search on one server does my query only see what that server is subscribed to or do they have a way of federating and talking to each other?
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acegiak PuSH is not a strong point of mine
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aaronpk the pubsubhubbub.club would be a silo of its own
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aaronpk it'd subscribe to a bunch of people's sites, but wouldn't know if there were other sites doing the same
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acegiak aaronpk: that's why I was thinking something LIKE YaCy?
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aaronpk but then you have to convince everyone to run that software
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voxpelli would be interesting to add some social graph crawling to that, to find what sites to follow
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acegiak aaronpk: agreed that it's a terrible cubersome implementation
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aaronpk i'd rather federate at the http+html layer
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acegiak I feel like the hashtag thing in general should be a function of search engines
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acegiak and YaCy just happens to be a decentralised one
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aaronpk YaCy sounds like monoculture
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acegiak I agree
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acegiak that's the problem with it
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GWG Trying to figure out what to parse to get data on a page and in what priority. Mf2, open graph, html tags..
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acegiak GWG: there's something that makes me uncomfortable with having a field labelled with three things
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acegiak I understand the intention, and I think you're right. They are similar
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GWG Well, it is contextual
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GWG In a citation, the publication would be, if not a physical publication, the site name
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GWG Which is the same thing. In an audio context, that is the album.
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GWG It is more trying to describe to the user.
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acegiak I think you're right. it IS the same thing, the labelling just makes my inner dba freak out about different types of data stored in the same field
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GWG Acegiak, any ideas on a better label then?
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acegiak GWG: Hmm. For a lot of online stuff author name and site name bleed across so that sometimes you have both or one or the other or both as one
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acegiak GWG: I don't have a better suggestion. I think I just needed to think it out loud to get it out of my head
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GWG Well, I figure if it is a personal site, then the field is unused
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GWG If you look, if you leave it blank, it displays the domain name
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acegiak yeah, I see that
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GWG Which I was reading that coincidentally Google has decided to do
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GWG Site title over url
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acegiak the problem for me is: how do I programatically distinguish between whether a site is a person or a publication
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acegiak cause I store all my links for whisperfollow in wordpress bookmarks which have a title
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acegiak the title is the person's or publication's name/alias interchangably
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GWG This is what I am trying to figure out in my code.
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GWG I have to decide where I get the data
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GWG I've already decided mf2 will be top, but what if the site has no microformats
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GWG That is why I'm looking at things like open graph
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acegiak ah see I'm dealing with mf2 and rss/atom
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GWG So, you are using structured data straight from the rss/Atom feed
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GWG I need to parse it straight from the page
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acegiak what's annoying here is that "name" is a nice pointer for "source of this content" whether it's a person or publication. But then some publications also list the author which means we then need a separate field for the publication so now "name" that means individual author when on a publication but when it's a person's own block then you either have the same data in both name and publication or you
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acegiak don't populate publication neither of which seem quite right
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acegiak s/block/blog/
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acegiak I should really sleep
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Loqi I agree
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acegiak GWG: also, I'm not criticizing post formats, I'm just waxing lyrical on the complexities of the situation
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acegiak same as I was thinking out loud about the complexities of mimicing the convenience of centralised hashtags in a decentralised environement
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acegiak sleepytime for ashton. night all
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tantek GWG, basic presentations are an excellent start (I wrote last night but forgot to press return)
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/78#issuecomment-94034513
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jonnybarnes thanks aaronpk
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GWG Tantek, I have my basic format as part of my current presentation
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barryfrost.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+183) "/* 2015 */ Adding Barry's Tech Talk" (view diff)
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aaronpk wow i'm getting a bunch of pingback spam right now
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gRegorLove kylewm: snarfed posts from 49 days and 61 days ago just appeared at the top of woodwind. It was sitting open, not a refresh.
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kylewm gRegorLove: that happens to me too sometimes, haven't tracked it down yet :(
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kylewm it's possible it was a genuine edit, but usually it's a false positive
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kylewm I probably shouldnt' push edits to the top of the feed anyway
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gRegorLove Seemed to go away eventually; not there now.
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kylewm after a refresh?
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gRegorLove no
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kylewm uh, tha'ts weird
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gRegorLove Er, actually that might have been a separate tab.
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gRegorLove I didn't refresh, but I think I had it open twice.
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kylewm oh interesting
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ben_thatmustbeme haven't yet hooked it up to my webmention receiver but .....
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/image/uploaded/notification.png
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kylewm gRegorLove: it's kind of interesting, posts from my site and kartik's return syndication links in apparently random order
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kylewm so when it seems them in a different order than it saw previously, it thinks there was an update
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gRegorLove Ah, because you have more than one syndication link on some/most posts?
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kylewm yeah
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gRegorLove I'm guessing the randomness is due to JSON, since they're not ordered.
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kylewm some
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kylewm ahem, database, probably
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gRegorLove I learned the hard way to not rely on the order of things in JSON :)
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kylewm JSON lists are ordered right? just not objects?
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KevinMarks yes, though that is language dependent
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gRegorLove Oh, apparently yes.
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KevinMarks PHP objects have consistent order; Go randomizes them deliberately to stop you depending on order by accident
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gRegorLove Maybe it's PHP reading them that has issues then
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kylewm hmm i'm trying to listen to a podcast in woodwind, finding i need the player in some sort of floating/fixed window
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aaronpk maybe a "pop out" button that opens the single post in its own browser window?
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aaronpk like https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=http://transportini.com/episode/1
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kylewm ohh that's cool
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kylewm yeah I like that, it'd be nice if it remembered your place like youtube videos do
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kylewm like ?url=http://transportini.com/episode/1&t=25s
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aaronpk good idea!
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gRegorLove Does HTML5 have a native way to do that or is it still JS?
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aaronpk set the player position?
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gRegorLove Yeah
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aaronpk http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9563887/setting-html5-audio-position
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aaronpk maybe that works as an html attribute too?
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gRegorLove "Let me stackoverflow that for you"
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, that should do it
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aaronpk looks like no html attribute, so would require setting that property in JS
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ben_thatmustbeme as soon as i finish processing a webmention, i should get a push notification in chrome
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: neat! is that using the GCM service?
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ben_thatmustbeme without the site open too
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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aaronpk fancy!
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: I can't log into monocle :(
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ben_thatmustbeme still waiting for them to update the chrome mobile
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: uhoh what happened?
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jonnybarnes I typed my url into the log in box, that sent me to indieauth,com
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ben_thatmustbeme my phone is still on chrome 41 grr
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jonnybarnes then wehn I clicked the Google link to authenticate I got the following:
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jonnybarnes You just authenticated as '' but your website linked to 'https://plus.google.com/117317270900655269082'
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aaronpk oboy
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aaronpk i bet the google auth gem changed
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aaronpk if you use another provider it'll probably work
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jonnybarnes logged in with GitHub
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jonnybarnes must be a Google error
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aaronpk no it's probably an error with the google oauth2 gem
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aaronpk since i just upgraded a bunch of libraries that the server uses
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aaronpk i think they may have changed their scope values
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jonnybarnes also, I added a feed in monocle, then when I click reply, nothing happens?
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aaronpk reply isn't hooked up yet sorry
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aaronpk but like and bookmark work
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jonnybarnes that would explain it :)
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aaronpk i gotta get back in javascript-fiddly mode
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@dissolve333 Push notifications of webmentions to my site, now working #IndieWeb (btmb.me s/8p) (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/4/17/1/) (twitter.com/_/status/589150106915459072)
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ben_thatmustbeme gah, i need to just get rid of PSCs already. or just start managing my own syndication out so i can better control that
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jonnybarnes "h-x-app" is the x for expermintal?
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aaronpk yeah
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jonnybarnes but unlike http headers it doesn't go first?
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jonnybarnes as in x-h-app
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aaronpk i think because it's the "app" part that's experimental, not the h
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aaronpk and mf2 parsers look for a prefix of "h-"
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aaronpk so they wouldn't parse "x-h-app"
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jonnybarnes fair enough
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aaronpk oh gawd, yeah the gem changed how they return google profile info
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aaronpk they changed it from "link" to "profile"
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@andkjaer Scopely Launches Yahtzee With Buddies on iOS, Android >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=618462&utm_content=buffer95ce7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Brandy Shaul. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/589152352663371776)
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: works now :)
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tommorris so, if you were relying on the "host it on a silo and point a subdomain at it" strategy, Bitbucket just killed that: https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BITBUCKET/Associate+an+existing+domain+with+an+account?utm_source=alert-email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bitbucket-custom-domain-deprecation_apr-2015
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tommorris https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BITBUCKET/Associate+an+existing+domain+with+an+account without a stupid analytics tag
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ben_thatmustbeme someone want to send me a webmention, so i'll know if things are working?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: set you a like!
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aaronpk says it's in the process queue
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ben_thatmustbeme it runs every 5 minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme damn
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ben_thatmustbeme ah ha, i think i have it fixed
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ben_thatmustbeme requeued the latest one
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tantek reads today's IRC log
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ben_thatmustbeme once i am sure this works nicely, next step is to get it sending actual data with it
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ben_thatmustbeme rather than just a standard popup
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tantek acegiak: re: "the problem for me is: how do I programatically distinguish between whether a site is a person or a publication" - 2 things: one, what's the use-case that's driving that question? and two, by using the top level h-* object of course :)
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KevinMarks hm, google is putting site names in serps https://developers.google.com/structured-data/site-name
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KevinMarks if you use their silo markup
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: you don't have PSCs, you have PSLs.
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aaronpk i see a PSC
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aaronpk and a PSL
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aaronpk which is the problem
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/589150106915459072
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@dissolve333 Push notifications of webmentions to my site, now working #IndieWeb (btmb.me s/8p) (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/4/17/1/) (twitter.com/_/status/589150106915459072)
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i have both, i have been having to manage putting PSCs when a post is under a certain length so that is appears on twitter, but then i have to tell bridgy not to include link, but then PSCs show up on FB which brigy posts the full content anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme plus as aaronpk pointed out that i have to actually have them part of the post itself, which isn't nice for readers
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ben_thatmustbeme also makes a mess of comments on other sites
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ben_thatmustbeme http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/does-it-work-for-top-level-site-mentions-too-or-just
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tantek oh weird
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tantek yeah once you upgrade from a PSC to a PSL, no need for the PSC
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm thinking of just going with always using PSLs
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ben_thatmustbeme and just drop PSCs
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ben_thatmustbeme i know its not nice for twitter, but honestly, i only really use twitter to syndicate to a few friends and to # it for here
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tantek Once the content on your site is *more* functional than the POSSE copy (e.g. on Twitter), then it makes sense to *always* include the PSL on POSSE copies.
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tantek what is Bitbucket?
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Loqi Bitbucket is a source code silo and alternative to github as it offers free git (and mercurial) repository hosting for public and private projects for individuals https://indiewebcamp.com/Bitbucket
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gRegorLove What's this about Pumpkin Spice Lattes? Mmm. :)
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aaronpk oh yeah they did trademark PSL™
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tantek wat
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/PSL-20150417-131705.png
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aaronpk (sorry for lack of pemalink, USPTO site is not web-friendly)
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KevinMarks what is PSL?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PSL" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=PSL&summary=prompted+by+KevinMarks+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-17%2Fline%2F1429301863677
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KevinMarks what is PSC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PSC" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=PSC&summary=prompted+by+KevinMarks+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-17%2Fline%2F1429301875760
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kylewm PSC is /permashortcitation
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loqi.me created /PSC (+31) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-17/line/1429301875760 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PSL
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kylewm PSL is /permashortlink
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loqi.me created /PSL (+27) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-17/line/1429301863677 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks aha
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@dissolve333 Finally dropped PermaShortCitations. There will just always be links back. #indiewebcamp (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/4/17/3/) (twitter.com/_/status/589161428646367232)
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tantek given the # of PSL entries at http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PSL and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSL I think we're ok
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aaronpk there's a bunch of trademarks for PSL too
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tantek too?
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aaronpk apparently beer and coffee fall under different categories, cause someone has a trademark on PSL for beer
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tantek I should add Permashortlink to wp
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Loqi yea!
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tantek Well, since Loqi thinks it's a good idea...
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aaronpk PSL™: medical device, clockfaces, espresso beverages, and beer
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tantek I suppose I should make our PSL page its own page instead of part of a permalink
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tantek.com edited /permashortlink (+328) "dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /permashortlink (+26) "see also permashortcitations" (view diff)
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tantek permalink page needs some cleanup :/
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@aaronpk @rhiaro Import your tweets to your website, then you can grep your filesystem for it! #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/589168304125648896)
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tantek nice
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rhiaro aaronpk: yeah I actually already had the csv for this very reason
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rhiaro oh that was twitter
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk `grep -Ri foo .` is a great way to find all my posts that mention "foo" :)
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rhiaro backporting all of my tweets is definitely on the todo list..
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aaronpk i think i still have to import all my tweets from my first twitter account
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tantek now extracting / splitting permashortlink content from the permalink article
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@rhiaro Just saying. #indieweb https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/589170563471540225/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/589170563471540225)
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gRegorLove rhiaro++
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Loqi rhiaro has 56 karma
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tantek.com edited /permalinks () "(-1797) move some psl content from permalink page to permashortlink page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /permashortlink (+2519) "move some psl content from permalink page to this one" (view diff)
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KevinMarks this notifications stuff looks rather fiddly at the moment - you can't put any content in them? http://updates.html5rocks.com/2015/03/push-notificatons-on-the-open-web
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tantek.com edited /permashortlink (+465) "Expand why with reasons excerpted from http://tantek.com/w/Whistle#whyshortURLs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /permashortlinks (-11) "r to new page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /permashortcitation (-14) "cleanup a bit, move why, how to top, then indieweb examples, templates" (view diff)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: could you add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/permashortlink#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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tantek aaronpk, you too :) ^^^
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tantek.com edited /permashortlink (+45) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ since" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /permashortlink (+235) "/* Tantek */ since citation, example vs. summary" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes tantek: The PSL examples says ordered roughly by when deployed, what if I can't remember when I deployed it on my site?
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tantek approximate
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tantek can you find evidence on a silo of a datetime stamped post with a PSL from you?
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tantek that's what I dug up for mine
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jonnybarnes !tell kylewm I get this at the bottom of https://reader.kylewm.com/feeds : $(function() { $(".feed-details").css({display: "none"}); $(".show-details").click(function() { var target = this.data("target"); $(target).css({display: "inherit"}); this.css({display: "none"}); }); });
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm jonnybarnes: thanks, editing the site live atm
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Loqi kylewm: jonnybarnes left you a message 44 seconds ago: I get this at the bottom of https://reader.kylewm.com/feeds : $(function() { $(".feed-details").css({display: "none"}); $(".show-details").click(function() { var target = this.data("target"); $(target).css({display: "inherit"}); this.css({display: "none"}); }); }); http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-17/line/1429308195480
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jonnybarnes tantek: I could amybe go on when I registerd jmb.so
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tantek that's a good start, and citable
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jonnybarnes which would be a year ago
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jonnybarnes cause its up for renewal
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jonnybarnes though I'm thinking of changing the short domain I use, last I checked jmb.lv was available
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jonnybarnes and latvia is in the EU, unlike Somalia
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: could you add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/PSC#IndieWeb_Examples including when you started and stopped using PSCs?
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aaronpk okay this is disconcerting
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aaronpk the spam pingbacks i've been getting all day have an IP address of the indiewebcamp server
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aaronpk oh funny, some of the same ones have been sent to webmention.io
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aaronpk okay this is weird...this has to be someone here messing with me... there's a pingback/webmention sent from one of the foursquare RSS feeds sent to tommorris' website
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aaronpk okay but this still doesn't explain how someone is making the indiewebcamp server send a pingback to my server
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kylewm is it only running mediawiki?
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aaronpk and indieauth.com and stuff
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aaronpk but mediawiki is the only thing on there i didn't write
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colintedford.com edited /Twitter (-326) "/* Broken Without JS */ mobile site now works" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /Tumblr (-37) "/* POSSE to Tumblr */ trim unimportant" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /Tumblr (+195) "/* Criticisms */ Can't add alt text to pics in rich text editor" (view diff)
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colintedford ^ Other than the alt text problem, I really like Tumblr's new (at least to me) rich editor.
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colintedford.com edited /Tumblr (+243) "/* Accessibility */ Search results & tag pages require JS" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /Tumblr (+10) "/* UI/process documentation */ heading for auto-syndication, minor copy-edit of rich text editor" (view diff)
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KevinMarks feedparser has had all microformat support removed