#indieweb

2015-06-01

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tantek.com
edited /Instagram (+403) "note adoption with article about fashion bloggers, note looping/pause/volume changes in UX" (view diff)
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aaronpk
is it more important to have URLs in order of date of the post, or date the post was published?
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rhiaro
aaronpk: I have in order of published date on my home page, and in order of post date in 'special' pages where future plans matter, like /travel and /calendar
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rhiaro
!tell tantek: I can't sign in at /relmeauth, it says 'expecting 200, got 301', but I don't have any redirects on my homepage
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Zegnat_
aaronpk: are there any problems with indieauth’s new load balancer? I can’t reach the site.
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aaronpk
Zegnat: not that i'm aware of. i see requests to all the servers within the last few minutes
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Zegnat
I’ll try again then. Karma seems to be against me anyway, my own website gave a 403 this morning.
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aaronpk
also if you refresh a couple times on indieauth.com you'll get bounced around to different servers
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Zegnat
I am just getting ‘Safari Can’t Find the Server’ pages every time. I think I am going to reboot, because all these problems are really starting to pile up.
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aaronpk
weird
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Zegnat
That didn’t help. Something about the IndieWeb just doesn’t like me.
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aaronpk
wow... can you open a terminal and tell me the output of `dig indieauth.com`?
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Zegnat
DiG: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7710a897e791cb6f446d
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aaronpk
oookay.. how about dig +trace indieauth.com
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Zegnat
+trace: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0946ee44e29cc14aef90
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aaronpk
I don't know why your dns server forgot about the root nameservers...
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aaronpk
are you at home? what is 192.168.1.1?
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Zegnat
192.168.1.1 is the router, I am using an ethernetcable directly plugged into it
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aaronpk
huh, i have no idea why it would not know how to resolve that
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Zegnat
I’ll see if there is some way to reset the router’s DNS when I login on it.
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Zegnat
I was still using IndieAuth yesterday, including some more tests with cookies to get the FAQ updated. So no idea why it stopped working.
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Zegnat
fkooman: question, are you hosting tuxed.net in Germany, and how are you getting away with not having an Impressum on the site?
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aaronpk
i changed the root nameservers for the domain today, but i don't understand why that would cause anything to completely forget how to resolve it
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fkooman
Zegnat, because I didn't know about it? :)
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Zegnat
fkooman, I don’t think that holds up in court but it does answer my question ;)
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aaronpk
i doubt any court will be going after fkooman's personal site any time soon ;)
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Zegnat
aaronpk: yep, it is weird. I’ll try an alternative DNS server for a second.
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cweiske
fkooman, I thought I don't have to have an impressum as long as the page is not commercial
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fkooman
Zegnat, yeah, and maybe they could give me a warning first or something :)
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aaronpk
cweiske: guten morgen
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cweiske
hiho
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Zegnat
So, I was considering hosting in Germany and have been trying to read up on this.
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aaronpk
you will be pleasantly surprised to know that indieauth.com should now support your delegated endpoint :)
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Zegnat
It seems like any sharing of content not aimed only at close personal friends is providing content and needs an impressum.
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cweiske
whattf
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aaronpk
please file any bugs on the github repo https://github.com/aaronpk/indieauth.com/issues because i am going to sleep
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Zegnat
There also seem to be lawyers simply looking for websites that forget it and then try to settle out of court, which everyone wants as the fine is upward to 5000 EUR
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cweiske
:)
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cweiske
aaronpk, "client_id" parameter missing
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Zegnat
cweiske: ‘Bitte beachte, dass du bei jeglicher Veröffentlichung von Inhalten (einfach gesagt, immer dann, wenn deine Website nicht ausschließlich aus einem passwortgeschützten Bereich besteht) dem Telemediengesetz unterliegst, das dich in aller Regel zur Angabe eines Impressums verpflichtet.’ - Uberspace.de Hausordnung.
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cweiske
https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/91
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cweiske
echt
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cweiske
hm
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cweiske
http://www.e-recht24.de/artikel/datenschutz/209.html "Impressum auch für private Webseiten?" says differently
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Zegnat
Give me a sec to read that.
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Zegnat
That article does also say: ‘Rechtlich noch nicht geklärt ist auch der Bereich der journalistischen oder redaktionellen Inhalte. Auch Blogger und Forenbetreiber sollten deshalb über ein Impressum verfügen.’
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cweiske
yeah, they are going the safe route
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cweiske
I don't
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cweiske
I don't run ads, I don't sell anything
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cweiske
so no impressum for me
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aaronpk
cweiske: thanks! fixed it
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cweiske
not asleep yet it seems :)
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aaronpk
oops
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cweiske
Something went horribly wrong! I'm sorry, there's not much other information available. You should probably file an issue: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues.
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fkooman
hmm...weird this impressium stuff...
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aaronpk
aww
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cweiske
aaronpk, you can try it yourself with indieauth.id.cweiske.de/ and your own openid
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aaronpk
whoa
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aaronpk
k
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cweiske
my openid gateway is generic
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cweiske
open for all openids
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aaronpk
okay this i will have to do tomorrow :)
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aaronpk
zzz
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Zegnat
More about Impressum: http://www.bahnhof-hamburg.de/impressum.html - this was one of the only pages I was able to find with real information.
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Zegnat
cweiske: that page also talks about the difference between ‘geschäftsmäßig’ and ‘gewerbsmäßig’, basically pointing out that the law applies even without ads on the site.
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cweiske
I still do my website in my free time
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Zegnat
Interesting, I wonder if that argument makes a difference.
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Zegnat
It is a weird law to apply to people who aren’t selling anything.
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Zegnat
But as I am considering moving my hosting to Germany I was wondering how other IndieWeb-folks were complying. That’s a ‘not’ from cweiske and fkooman then :p
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fkooman
haha yep :) didn't even know about it
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fkooman
and unfortunately I can't comply to it, because I am not gonna put my address on a public website... if someone wants to know where I live they could just ask :)
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KevinMarks___
sounds like one for Jeff Jarvis to rant about
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Loqi
KevinMarks___: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 32 minutes ago: how do I file github issues on https://github.com/kevinmarks/feedparser ? e.g. to put in a feature request to support parsing h-feed directly? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-31/line/1433114024013
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Zegnat
fkooman: yes, that is the main complain for everyone. If you do not own a company with a separate address you will be forced to publish your home address :(
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fkooman
i wonder why this law hasn't been fixed yet
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Zegnat
Same reason as always, no actual IT-interested parties in parliament.
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cweiske
fkooman, or use whois
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KevinMarks___
!tell tantek - odd, issues was defaulted off. On now
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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fkooman
cweiske, true :)
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Zegnat
My address is listed on my whois and on several Swedish look-up websites. As far as I know addresses are actually part of public information in Sweden. (A long with a person’s income and what not.) So I don’t much care about that.
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Zegnat
I just want to know what the Telemediengesetz is actually forcing me to put on my website
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cweiske
if you want to put an impressum on your site, you have to provide your postal address
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Zegnat
cweiske: providing my postal address is not a problem (http://vanderven.se/martijn/). Information about other requirements is harder to find though.
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Zegnat
E.g. TMG also includes a section about talking about data protection (http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/BJNR017910007.html#BJNR017910007BJNG000400000), and I have no idea if this applies to personal sites or not. Uberspace talks about it on their impressum, BeyondTellerand doesn’t.
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cweiske
it requires you to show a "we're using cookies, by using this website you are accepting this" message
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cweiske
and follow the principles of Datensparsamkeit
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KevinMarks___
i want someone to quantify the years wasted dealing with cookie messages on eu websites
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cweiske
adding them or clicking "ok" to them?
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Zegnat
Cookies is a wrong term to use there, actually. I gave the Dutch implementation of the EU directive a look not long ago, and I believe it also applies to localstorage et al.
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KevinMarks___
reading them, like the US paperwork prevention law
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Zegnat
Oh my, I was wrong, the fine for a missing or faulty impressum is upwards to 50000 EUR, an extra 0.
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KevinMarks___
quinn wins at reaction face https://twitter.com/quinnnorton/status/605289100896116736
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@quinnnorton
finally, military-grade crypto for everyone. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloudsprayproject/cloudspraymail-invented-for-the-military-can-now-b/description https://twitter.com/quinnnorton/status/605289100896116736/photo/1 (twtr.io/103j65ZLYRb)
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cweiske
wtf
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Zegnat
Let’s hope that Kickstarter fails, or else I will get loads of issues filed again PRISM Break for not including ‘military-grade crypto’… again.
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petermolnar
what is ‘military-grade crypto?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "‘military-grade crypto" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=%E2%80%98military-grade+crypto&summary=prompted+by+petermolnar+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-01%2Fline%2F1433149923156
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petermolnar
I mean seriously... is there a definition on that somewhere?
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KevinMarks___
that is the joke
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petermolnar
ok, I loaded the kickstarter page
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Zegnat
Usually it means some form of AES, because at some point the US government guideline was to use AES encryption for classified material. These post-Snowden days it can mean anything.
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petermolnar
so I guess no one is actually checking kickstarter for frauds...
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Zegnat
petermolnar: I am assuming that was spoken with irony?
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petermolnar
irony? no, that page is a fraud
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KevinMarks___
"military grade encryption" needs a time boundary
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Zegnat
I meant the fact Kickstarted would be checking for frauds ;)
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Zegnat
Kickstarter does not have a good trackrecord there
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petermolnar
that is very true
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Zegnat
military grade encryption: once the military feels fine sharing their encryption with you, it is no longer military grade
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KevinMarks___
tattoing a slaves head and waiting for hir to regrow was militray grade encryption in the 2nd century AD
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petermolnar
I'd be surprised if the encryption tools available for us in linux would be much less powerful than the ones they actually use for military purposes
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cweiske
military grade means that the government can decrypt it
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cweiske
I wouldn't want it
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KevinMarks___
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_content=bufferb64d6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer&CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Add
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KevinMarks___
timbl++
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Loqi
timbl has 4 karma
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petermolnar
gosh I can't believe that thing in Britain, especially that I'm living here currently
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Zegnat
petermolnar: that is true, also because a lot of today’s encryption tools are based on solid mathematical principals. But the military might have access to even slower and more hardened file formats we don’t know about yet, which would still make them better.
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rhiaro
thinking about moving out of uk asap
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petermolnar
rhiaro you're in Scotland, aren't you? that's slighly better
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Zegnat
cweiske: could you look at this PDF for me and tell me what you think, specifically page 3, http://www.bmjv.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/pdfs/LeitfadenZurAnbieterkennzeichnung.pdf
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@kevinmarks
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom @timberners_lee said Britain had “lost the moral leadership” on privacy and surveillance #indieweb #ownyourdata (twtr.io/103p3p1mN4o)
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cweiske
"Etwas anderes gilt nur bei Angeboten, die ausschließlich privaten oder familiären
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cweiske
Zwecken dienen und die keine Auswirkung auf den Markt haben."
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cweiske
when publishing open source software, am I having effects on the commercial software market?
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Zegnat
I think this applies to OSS: ‘Manche Gerichte vertreten die Ansicht, dass das Angebot schon „geschäftsmäßig“ ist, wenn es aufgrund einer nachhaltigen (das heisst nicht auf einen Einzelfall beschränkten) Tätigkeit erfolgt; eine Gewinnerzielungsabsicht ist danach nicht erforderlich.’
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cweiske
I don't want to care about this anymore and will stop thinking about it
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KevinMarks___
that link is relevant, in that Germany is trying hard to protect against corporations to the point of bothering individuals too mahc
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KevinMarks
is it just me, or is this first world problems designed by committee? https://www.google.com/design/icons/
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Zegnat
KevinMarks, I think the link is relevant to any IndieWeb creator based from Germany or hosted in Germany. It may apply to anyone of them who wants to set-up their personal identity online. But finding correct info on the issue is proving to be hard, especially in English
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kegan
KevinMarks, I think they just want people to be consistent
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KevinMarks
they have 8 icons for kinds of airline seats
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KevinMarks
https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/605307018199457796
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@kevinmarks
Google's design icons distinguish 8 kinds of airline seats but has none for trains or buses https://www.google.com/design/icons/ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/605307018199457796/photo/1 (twtr.io/103qW7MJyGb)
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cweiske
and none for horses!
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cweiske
big horses, ponies, ...
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KevinMarks
or bicycles
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nurv
hi there.
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KevinMarks
hi nurv
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rhiaro
petermolnar: Scotland is better. If we end up leaving EU maybe there'll be another indyref :)
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petermolnar
and I'll end up either in Scotland if you stay in the EU or in Amsterdam in that case, being a foreigner
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nurv
I work at a open source project called FenixEdu, we do software for schools, from cloud based storage, to workflow systems. We are going to make a new LMS, with social caracteristics, and we would like to use something like diaspora so that each school would have their instance but a student from a school could add a friend from another school. Did you guys worked on something like this?
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petermolnar
not really; the indieweb goal is for everyone to have their own site/domain instead of centralized services
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KevinMarks
yes, indieweb protocols make this possible
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KevinMarks
withknown.com is probably the most education focused project
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nurv
KevinMarks: can you point protocol spec so I can start looking at it?
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KevinMarks
but the various readers enable this too
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KevinMarks
http://reader.kylewm.com/ and https://monocle.p3k.io/ are indie readers
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petermolnar
nurv you might be looking for http://indiewebcamp.com/Category:building-blocks but I'm not entirely sure
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petermolnar
and https://withknown.com/education/
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KevinMarks
they support http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed with http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention and http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
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petermolnar
known is open source by the way, so you can build the whole stack yourself as well: http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/developers/
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Zegnat
Every school could run there own local installation of Known, and I think the members will be able to cross-server follow each other. There is no real ‘friending’ system though. I would say it compares more to Twitter than Facebook, in social terms.
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nurv
KevinMarks petermolnar Zegnat : thanks!
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@roseg
RT @kevinmarks: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom @timberners_lee said Britain had “lost the moral leadership” on privacy and surveillance #indieweb #… (twtr.io/103v2sxiPj0)
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RT @kevinmarks: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom @timberners_lee said Britain had “lost the moral leadership” on privacy and surveillance #indieweb #… (twtr.io/103v5AdB2Kj)
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@Moonbootica
RT @kevinmarks: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom @timberners_lee said Britain had “lost the moral leadership” on privacy and surveillance #indieweb #… (twtr.io/103v65UtxYo)
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@alexhern
Berners-Lee also said that people should “just say no” to services like http://t.co/qpo0dAI3ZM: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom (twtr.io/103v7PYrrYG)
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@DapperDanHart
RT @kevinmarks: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom @timberners_lee said Britain had “lost the moral leadership” on privacy and surveillance #indieweb #… (twtr.io/103vLhzPPoG)
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Zegnat
!tell aaronpk Changing DNS server made indieauth.com accessible again, definitely a local problem on my end.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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vanderven.se martijn
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@ZedsTed
RT @kevinmarks: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom @timberners_lee said Britain had “lost the moral leadership” on privacy and surveillance #indieweb #… (twtr.io/103wE_oGWS8)
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Zegnat
Well, that only took like 3 tries. But now it works. Ish.
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RT @alexhern: Berners-Lee also said that people should “just say no” to services like http://t.co/qpo0dAI3ZM: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom (twtr.io/103wLVT_Sqf)
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RT @alexhern: Berners-Lee also said that people should “just say no” to services like http://t.co/qpo0dAI3ZM: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom (twtr.io/103wbhSPmcs)
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RT @kevinmarks: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/29/tim-berners-lee-urges-britain-to-fight-snoopers-charter?utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=indiewebcamp.com&utm_campaign=freedom @timberners_lee said Britain had “lost the moral leadership” on privacy and surveillance #indieweb #… (twtr.io/103yxSrBsbH)
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Zegnat
what is IndieWeb?
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Loqi
The indieweb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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vanderven.se martijn
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KevinMarks
https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/605334176259149824
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@kevinmarks
@harrisj specifications with a single implementation are toxic waste. commonality is key. (twtr.io/1040CCqboH4)
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petermolnar
KevinMarks I disagree; every custom made clothing for example is a specification with a single implementation
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vanderven.se martijn
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KevinMarks
no, petermolnar , that is bespoke clothing
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KevinMarks
which is very different
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KevinMarks
it is pararmeterized assembly
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petermolnar
in case it's just a tailoring, you're right, but I'm talking about actual custom design
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petermolnar
one-of-a-kind things
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KevinMarks
my grandmother was a seamstress
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KevinMarks
her entire job was parametric adjustment of templates to fit individuals
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petermolnar
yep, that's not what I'm addressing here
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KevinMarks
she said that she hd had enough of adjusting trousers in her day job
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KevinMarks
but she made my sisters totally kickass outfits
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LanceyWork
petermolnar, that's implying that unique custom made clothing isn't a waste
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KevinMarks
here petermolnar - my sisters in the early 80s in outfits made by my grandma https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPaI8r412rPdFG41uE1xfP9nTrldU0kl87MeDzP2jretylHiwCsRssi-f_N5_IdrA?key=TGdvY1BxMHlBN3c3czlJRC0zclVhMGNDNm9XZlhn
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vanderven.se martijn
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petermolnar
LanceyWork why would it be? It's a kind of art IMHO
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adactio.com
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LanceyWork
art can still be wasteful
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petermolnar
KevinMarks that's more then adjusting parameters; adding in details that were not present in the pattern and so on
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KevinMarks
i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
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petermolnar
LanceyWork sure, but since it depends on taste, it's a bit hard to tell objectively which is which :)
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petermolnar
KevinMarks no, it's not; custom order != customized order
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vanderven.se martijn
created /Template:martijnvdven (+158) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|http://vanderven.se/martijn/martijn.jpg}} [[User:Vanderven.se_martijn|Martijn van der Ven]]</span>"" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn
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@levlaz
RT @aaronpk: Happy to say https://indieauth.com is now running on 3 physically separate servers behind DNS load balancing! http://t.co/MI… (twtr.io/1042a9Kwi9s)
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Zegnat
Took only 3 redirects, several tries at /IRC_People, and an hour or so of my time. But I finally have a stable user page on the wiki.
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@Tzeejay
https://indieauth.com This idea is quite interesting! The idea that you sustain your own identity is really good. (twtr.io/1043EkuJRmg)
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@FromTheWastes
Bioflash Short Stories by @nrburnette – What are they?... https://fromthewastes11811.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/bioflash-short-stories-by-n-r-burnette-what-are-they/ #amreading #amwriting #indieauth # https://twitter.com/FromTheWastes/status/605343306017591296/photo/1 (twtr.io/1043TtnGzoG)
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paulrobertlloyd.com
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paulrobertlloyd.com
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paulrobertlloyd.com
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petermolnar
indieauth really doesn't like me
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petermolnar
ok, it finally let me in
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Zegnat
petermolnar, we should start a club
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petermolnar
#thosewhoindieauthdontlike
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petermolnar
s/dont/doesnt
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Loqi
petermolnar meant to say: #thosewhoindieauthdoesntlike
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Zegnat
Or maybe #thosewhowanttobelikedbyindieauth
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petermolnar
looking at my comments today I kind look negative o.O
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petermolnar.eu
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ben_thatmustbeme
is working on an alternative to indieauth as we speak
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cweiske
indieauth.com or the protocol itself?
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ben_thatmustbeme
though you can always just create a local version
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ben_thatmustbeme
the protocol
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petermolnar
are there any public details available on that, ben_thatmustbeme?
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ben_thatmustbeme
on the spec?
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petermolnar
yep
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ben_thatmustbeme
http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth has links to any pages that would be useful
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ben_thatmustbeme
its basically openauth 2
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cweiske
http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuthProtocol is the protocol
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats the page i was looking for, i thought there was one specific for it
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ben_thatmustbeme
cweiske++ thanks
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Loqi
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GWG
Good morning
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petermolnar
mornin'
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ben_thatmustbeme
morning GWG
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ben_thatmustbeme
... an hour later
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kylewm
petermolnar: indieauth.com went through a *major* refactoring this weekend; i bet aaronpk would appreciate a bug report if it was giving you trouble this morning
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kylewm
!tell aaronpk the 404 from woodwind to switchboard for push verification is because it's sending the field names without "hub."
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar
it worked after a while
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petermolnar
no actual bug I could report unfortunately
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petermolnar
or fortunately
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lancey.space
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@PehrMartens
RT @benborges_: Hey #WebWeWantFest People, have a look at this @indiewebcamp this @une_brique this @yunohost and this @withknown http://t.c… (twtr.io/104KY_a4QKC)
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kylewm
!tell KevinMarks should I be using your fork of feedparser in Woodwind? like, will it do a better job finding podcast enclosures etc?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks2
Yes, though I don't find linked urls by type like the previous version, so you may miss some
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aaronpk
well whoever was scraping the wiki stopped after a couple hours
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Loqi
aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 5 hours, 16 minutes ago: Changing DNS server made indieauth.com accessible again, definitely a local problem on my end. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433154957318
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Loqi
aaronpk: kylewm left you a message 1 hour, 20 minutes ago: the 404 from woodwind to switchboard for push verification is because it's sending the field names without "hub." http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433169114387
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aaronpk
kylewm: oh!
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aaronpk
it should have been sending the names without a hub if the request came in without hub.
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aaronpk
kylewm: is there a way for me to get woodwind to try to make the PuSH subscription again?
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kylewm
aaronpk: if you click "Poll Now" it will try to subscribe again as part of polling
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tantek.com
edited /User:Tantek.com (+191) "/* indieweb community */ IndieMark iteration higher up in priority list" (view diff)
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aaronpk
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 174 karma
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aaronpk
thanks, found the bug!
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@diplix
btw: i became a big #indieweb-fan in the last couple of weeks. (micropubed w quill, syndicated w bridgy) (http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7730/1/6/) (twtr.io/104Tqb3K7oH)
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tantek
!tell ben_thatmustbeme the point of the relmeauth library is to have that functionality on your own site - certainly *not* to make another protocol (in addition to IndieAuth protocol). Also ok to grow relmeauth lib to optionally *support* the IndieAuth protocol.
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Loqi
tantek: rhiaro left you a message 9 hours, 10 minutes ago: I can't sign in at /relmeauth, it says 'expecting 200, got 301', but I don't have any redirects on my homepage http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433144311363
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Loqi
tantek: KevinMarks___ left you a message 7 hours, 59 minutes ago: - odd, issues was defaulted off. On now http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433148568111
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
edited /feedparser (+190) "h-feed support - note github feature request" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, i know, but not my itch
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 15 minutes ago: the point of the relmeauth library is to have that functionality on your own site - certainly *not* to make another protocol (in addition to IndieAuth protocol). Also ok to grow relmeauth lib to optionally *support* the IndieAuth protocol. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433177320674
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, can be used in inform relmeauth lib
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ben_thatmustbeme
and not another protocol, i'm making another implementation of the same protocol
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tantek
it sounded like you were talking another protocol in IRC, e.g. mention of OpenAuth2 (what is that?!?)
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Loqi
That! (or "that ^" or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply often emphasizing agreement with a This post, but sometimes[1] merely emphasizing agreement with a previous reply https://indiewebcamp.com/that
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tantek
:P
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aaronpk
s/OpenAuth2/OAuth2/ ?
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: "not my itch" - problem was it wasn't clear what *was* / is your itch - that's the question
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
i am tempted to try to make a little app that can render our wiki files as html
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aaronpk
and then add editing to it
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aaronpk
and then replace mediawiki
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snarfed
aaronpk: that way lie dragons
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aaronpk
so many dragon
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aaronpk
s
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tantek
hah
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tantek
yeah let's avoid the markdown vs. HTML editing debates please :)
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gRegorLove
Morning, indieweb
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aaronpk
who said anything about markdown vs html!
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gRegorLove
Bridgy doesn't seem to be finding my post from yesterday and sending wm back. I did renew Bridgy last week-ish, I think, though I don't know how long it had been expired.
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snarfed
gRegorLove: which silo?
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aaronpk
a small app to render the wiki source would still be useful, since it'd allow offline browsing of the wiki
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gRegorLove
oops, FB
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snarfed
aaronpk: https://www.google.com/search?q=mediawiki+offline ???
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snarfed
gRegorLove: looking
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gRegorLove
https://www.brid.gy/facebook/27301982# seems to indicate it's polling
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tantek
aaronpk no one said anything - I was anticipating/cringing
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tantek
yes - rendering wikisource (as is) would be very useful
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aaronpk
snarfed: this is not a good sign: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%3aDumpHTML
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: fair enough, my itch it to remove my dependance on indieauth.com
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tantek
ah - that's what you meant by "render our wiki files". *existing* wiki files. got it.
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snarfed
cowardly refuses to click
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aaronpk
"Very brave PHP developers willing to fix dumpHTML should probably plan some weeks of work on it"
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ben_thatmustbeme
which i have working... just getting a problem with tokens though
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ben_thatmustbeme
but i can log in fine
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tantek
aaronpk: "dump" isn't the point though - not the whole thing at least. doing a viewer of single files seems more reasonable
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aaronpk
what i want is something that can take the folder of files here and let you browse around https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup/data/
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aaronpk
gotta figure out a solution for case-insensitive filesystems tho
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snarfed
gRegorLove: i'm stumped so far :(
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aaronpk
oh man, there's apparently an option to have the OSX filesystem be case-sensitive, but that seems... like not something easy to change :P
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tantek
https://twitter.com/jgarber/status/605422645564305408
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@jgarber
@helenvholmes So my thought is: If it’s worth sharing in an email newsletter, it’s probably worth sharing on your own website. (twtr.io/104XoR5tFwo)
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ben_thatmustbeme
IT WORKS!
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ben_thatmustbeme
relmeauth.thatmustbe.me
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ben_thatmustbeme
is now my auth endpoint
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voxpelli
aaronpk: a colleague has mounted a .dmg with a case sensitive file system on his OS X I believe – and does his webdev in that one
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aaronpk
hah that's a thought
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: that was fast
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually only until i can get a better url and ssl key for it
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: why is twitter not supported?
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ben_thatmustbeme
oauth 1
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aaronpk
ah you just gave up?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i only do github at the moment
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, i started a lot of parts from scratch
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aaronpk
oauth1--
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Loqi
oauth1 has -1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
oauth1 i can work on later
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aaronpk
github worked!
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aaronpk
oh weird, getting an error trying to start again
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snarfed
gRegorLove: tracking here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/415 . sorry for the trouble!
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aaronpk
i think the form is submitting the query string parameters
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gRegorLove
That's ok. Thanks for checking on it.
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gRegorLove
snarfed:
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: interesting - you added the confirmation step
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tantek
the original design of web sign-in didn't require confirmation because it treated order as fallback
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tantek
though this is better for debugging
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aaronpk
the problem with the "order as fallback" approach is it will potentially be reaaaly slow
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tantek
right, need to write up that issue
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ben_thatmustbeme
https://github.com/thephpleague/oauth2-client has lots of other providers ready configured.. should be pretty easy to add those too
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aaronpk
that's why i went with the prompting approach for indieauth.com (which also let me do the relme verification asynchronously which also makes it look faster)
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: I got "SUCCESS! You verified" which feels - empty? shouldn't it say I verified (domain name) ?
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tantek
e.g. using github
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tantek
aaronpk - makes sense
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tantek
also demos better for explanatory purposes
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, yeah, thats really just testing code when visiting logging in from that page
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ben_thatmustbeme
really nice bit is actually logging in from link= from my homepage
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ben_thatmustbeme
though i don't recommend it until https
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: then you lost some code
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: now try signing in to the wiki with it!
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tantek
when you sign-in on tantek.com/relmeauth it says
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tantek
"You are logged in as http://tantek.com using twitter.com. logout? "
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tantek
though I should s/logged in/signed-in/
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tantek
the point of the separate "relmeath" / or . deployment is to provide a tool to help teach about relmeauth - so it helps to have a more explanatory result upon success.
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tantek
like, what actually succeeded and why
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tantek
also - "logout" helps demonstrate the complete flow
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tantek
so you ought to put that back in too
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, that can be abstracted out. this isn't the relmeauth lib anymore really
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tantek
the HTML and UI looked almost the same though
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tantek
so I was wondering how those pieces got dropped
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ben_thatmustbeme
yes, will change.. it started there
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gRegorLove
tantek: Saw the logs /media_checkin criticism. I'm pretty neutral on the term, so I'm fine with a better term. I'm not a big fan of "bookmark" because that means something different to me on the web.
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gRegorLove
I don't have any suggestions offhand.
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gRegorLove
The Goodreads link is "update status" which shows "I am on page [input] —or— I'm finished (link)" followed by a textarea for optional comments.
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: i would love to, but the wiki appears to have hard-coded indieauth.com as the endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme
doesn't check my site
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aaronpk
that's what i mean
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aaronpk
indieauth.com checks your site
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh 'Endpoint did not acknowledge it is an authorization endpoint. The endpoint should return an "IndieAuth: authorization" header.'
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: thats still dependant on indieauth.com... not ideal
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aaronpk
no
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ben_thatmustbeme
if indieauth.com goes down, no wiki login
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aaronpk
if the wiki goes down, no wiki login
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aaronpk
it's the same thing
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aaronpk
in this case, indieauth.com is part of the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme
:/
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aaronpk
i wish i knew how to make this more clear
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aaronpk
i thought i explained it pretty well in Germany
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ben_thatmustbeme
wiki requires indieauth.com rather than "any indieauth client"
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aaronpk
the wiki is letting indieauth.com do the work
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ben_thatmustbeme
exactly the reason i wanted my own auth endpoint
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aaronpk
this is *no different* than the wiki doing the discovery on its own
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aaronpk
it just happens that it's happening on a different domain
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ben_thatmustbeme
yes, it is... ask those who have a problem getting to indieauth.com ... i believe there was someone this morning
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aaronpk
yeah that would be hjust as likely if the wiki was doing it itself
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aaronpk
one way to look at this is imagine I launched the indieauth.com app at login.indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk
jeez maybe i should do that just to make a point
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: i get it, and that would be fine
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ben_thatmustbeme
its using indieauth.com as a service, rather than indieauth as a library right now. those are different architecturally
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aaronpk
the wiki is always going to use indieauth.com as a service because there is nothing yo ucan do to compel me to write a mediawiki plugin that supports relmeauth
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aaronpk
i miiiight do it for like $100,000
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ben_thatmustbeme
?? it should just be a difference of looking up the auth endpoint? is it integrated more than indieauth protocol?
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aaronpk
you have to support people who don't specify an endpoint too, who just have relme links
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aaronpk
and then maintain the oauth code in the PHP mediawiki library
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aaronpk
not to mention making an interface that fits inside mediawiki for this
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: so curl, search for endpoint, if not set default to whatever service you like
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: that is what indieauth.com does!!
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ben_thatmustbeme
points back to others with indieauth.com dns trouble
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aaronpk
my point is there will always be problems
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aaronpk
i would rather not maintain a separate code path for logging in to the wiki
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aaronpk
since this way i can focus my efforts on fixing all the signin bugs on indieauth.com rather than making more work for myself
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Zegnat
Seems like I should never have brought up those DNS issues :p
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha, Zegnat, no no, better to know the issues
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: just deploying another copy that is with the wiki is fine too
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ben_thatmustbeme
as you said
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aaronpk
there is literally no benefit to that, i was making a point
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ben_thatmustbeme
tell that to Zegnat. also i'm assuming these are on the same physical server
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tantek
plus the wiki implements a stricter policy than just any indieauth
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ben_thatmustbeme
in which case, yes
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tantek
e.g. people with domains, no silo sign-ins
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tantek
etc.
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gRegorLove
It sounds like the difference is 2POF bs SPOF? Though I understand the headache of dealing with mediawiki
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gRegorLove
s/bs/vs/
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Loqi
gRegorLove meant to say: It sounds like the difference is 2POF vs SPOF? Though I understand the headache of dealing with mediawiki
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ben_thatmustbeme
i completely agree , mediawiki does not make for easy work
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ben_thatmustbeme
goes about testing other services
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aaronpk
the DNS issue probably had to do with me changing the root nameservers on indieauth.com in order to move DNS from linode to AWS. it could have happened just as easily if I moved the indiewebcamp.com DNS to AWS as well
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ben_thatmustbeme
woodwind and quill look up endpoint, yay
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Loqi
:D
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aaronpk
yes, they implement the indieauth protocol on their own, and don't support relmeauth at all
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: are they hosted on the same machine?
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aaronpk
are what hosted on the same machine?
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ben_thatmustbeme
wiki and indieauth.com?
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gRegorLove
Hmm, maybe something's up with my post, snarfed? Woodwind isn't pulling in the post content, just the title. The parsed mf2 looks ok at a glance, though.
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aaronpk
one of the indieauth.com servers is on the same machine as the wiki, but there are 3 servers now
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ben_thatmustbeme
the other day indieauth.com went down for me too.... i could not log in to anything
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ben_thatmustbeme
which was what sparked all of this for me
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snarfed
gRegorLove: maybe? bridgy shouldn't care though since the FB post has the link
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: you are aware of what i did this whole weekend right?
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ben_thatmustbeme
no
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aaronpk
...
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aaronpk
*headdesk*
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snarfed
lol
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ben_thatmustbeme
points to baby sitting on his lap
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have been busy
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: you might want to check the weekend logs ;)
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aaronpk
literally all weekend https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/05/31/1/indieauth
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aaronpk
https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/pull/90
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gRegorLove
!tell kylewm Woodwind seems to only pull in the title of my recent blog post. http://reader.kylewm.com/?entry=http%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2015%2F05%2F1196%2F
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: it's one thing to get your own auth setup so you can sign into your own site without worrying about an external SPOF, it's something else entirely to try to use your own auth setup for all other external sites.
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tantek
e.g. I was able to still post etc. on my site because I run my own relmeauth.php - but I still couldn't see/use the wiki or any of the apps which depend on indieauth.com
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gRegorLove
Laid in a hammock and drank beer, aaronpk? ;)
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aaronpk
there was certainly beer involved ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, exactly. its pretty easy to just search the person's page for an auth endpoint link though
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ben_thatmustbeme
indieauth should allow relmeauth to be basically optional that way
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: pull requests welcome https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth-MediaWiki
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ben_thatmustbeme
indieAuthDomainFromToken($token) i think that would be the only difficult piece
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aaronpk
exactly
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ben_thatmustbeme
didn't realize that was a thing you needed
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aaronpk
that's how you verify the login
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aaronpk
otherwise ... there's no security and anyone could just type in anything in the URL field and be logged in
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ben_thatmustbeme
which was why i said "unless you use more than standard indieauth protocol interactions"
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aaronpk
that is the standard protocol interaction
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ben_thatmustbeme
where did /session?token= come in to it?
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aaronpk
that method is poorly named, and it is using hte old indieauth.com API
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aaronpk
that can be changed to /auth?code= now
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ben_thatmustbeme
ahh, okay, then yeah, easy
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ben_thatmustbeme
mm, indeed, that should be post too
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ben_thatmustbeme
and have other options in tthere
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ben_thatmustbeme
redirect, client_id, etc
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aaronpk
yes all of these things are things i don't want to do :P
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solson_
Hi all, I'm interested in the indie web and looking to get started
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solson_
I have read the getting started pages
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solson_
But I have a few questions
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solson_
?
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solson_
I have two websites and I am unsure how this would work with that. Could you have two websites?
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solson_
My son also has a couple websites. Would you have more than one identity?
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KartikPrabhu
solson_ : you can have one as your primary website and connect the others to it via rel-me
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ben_thatmustbeme
or have entirely different identities if you really wanted
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KartikPrabhu
or if you want to keep them separate, you can just pretend they are all different identities
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aaronpk
there is no Real Names policy on the indieweb :)
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Zegnat
I am going to run on 2 different domains, one will be my feed (blog) and the other one is my personal website (identity). I would say: just go for it.
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Zegnat
But prefer subdomains to directories if you are planning something like that. Directories mess with the IndieWebCamp wiki and just cause headaches :p
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bear
aaronpk - coolness with the refactoring! I will finish my ansible work and deploy indieauth.com to the instance I have running tonight!
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KartikPrabhu
Zegnat: so your personal website is not going to have any posts?
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: curious as to what "bookmark" mean to you on the web?
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aaronpk
bear: awesome! also I realized the openid plugin requires memcache so you'll need to add that too :(
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Zegnat
I am not planning to have them there, KartikPrabhu, no.
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Zegnat
See https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Vanderven.se_martijn
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bear
no worries
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aaronpk
at least it's an easy one
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bear
getting ruby + bundler to "play nice" with runit was more of a chore
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aaronpk
bear: oh I also remembered that I actually stopped running it with passenger
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bear
I have nginx in front of it
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aaronpk
i'm running it with ruby's puma server listening on a socket, and nginx reverse proxies to that socket
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aaronpk
that made things speed up a ton when I changed that
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bear
what I will need is to get the indieauth.com cert installed
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aaronpk
yeah, I need to make one for your subdomain
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aaronpk
each of these needs its own subdomain so that SMS auth codes get sent back to the right server
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solson_
I was big into blogging back in 2006-2008 and then I just got bored of the whole thing as people seemed to just drift away
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solson_
Is there a way to see a list of who is involved in this indieweb
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aaronpk
bear: can you send me a CSR so I can generate the certificate?
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solson_
?
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aaronpk
solson_: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people is a good start
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solson_
This is really exciting
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solson_
Just heard about it yesterday while I was mowing my lawn and listening to TWIT
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Belated acknowledgement of your belated good morning
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lancey.space
edited /IRC_People (+5) "/* Nicknames */ Updated my icon" (view diff)
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GWG
solson_: What did they say?
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solson_
Leo just mentioned how the he had a friend using the indie web to take content ownership back and I googled indie web
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GWG
solson_: Probably KevinMarks
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solson_
It was pretty brief but it caught my attention because I have been concerned for years about how few people were creating good content
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solson_
Yep that was the name
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GWG
solson_: Leo has a Known installation, but I think he only dabbles
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GWG
solson_: Agreed. The idea of not putting so much of myself into a system that I couldn't control was something that resonated with what I was already doing
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gRegorLove
KartikPrabhu: It's what I think is the common definition: a log of URLs I either want to finish reading later or want to easily find later. That's not the same as a physical bookmark in a book to me.
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solson_
ok thanks for the info.
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KartikPrabhu
"want to easily find later" is exactly a physical bookmark in a book :P
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gRegorLove
A book isn't a URL
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KartikPrabhu
sure and the map location of a place is not the place but we use it for checkins anyway
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KartikPrabhu
anyway
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gRegorLove
A physical bookmark also only tracks the latest position. A "media checkin" or whatever we want to call it is about tracking the history of that
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gRegorLove
In my experience, most web bookmarks end up just being digital hoarding, though. I have so many that I will likely never revisit or go through again to even clean up :)
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KartikPrabhu
"A physical bookmark also only tracks the latest position." you've been using books the wrong way ;)
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gRegorLove
Uh
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gRegorLove
Unless there's some Quantum Bookmarks I haven't heard of.
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KartikPrabhu
you can have multiple bookmarks in one book
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aaronpk
http://previews.123rf.com/images/galaiko/galaiko0708/galaiko070800012/1373256-Book-with-a-lot-of-bookmarks-in-its-pages-and-a-red-pencil-used-as-a-bookmark--Stock-Photo.jpg
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gRegorLove
(This conversation is kind of proving my point about how "bookmark" is overloaded)
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KartikPrabhu
oh bookmark is overloaded, in real life
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KartikPrabhu
that is the issue with copying real life metaphors on the Web.
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gRegorLove
That's why I'm not really a fan of "bookmark" for "reading progress"
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aaronpk
was someone suggesting bookmark for reading progress? I would never call it that
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KartikPrabhu
what is media checkin?
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Loqi
Media check-in is a somewhat controversial concept that refers to a type of virtual check-in post, where the "location" is an item of consumable media such as a book, audio, video, or realtime media such as a radio or TV broadcast https://indiewebcamp.com/media_checkin
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: briefly hinted in that ^
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gRegorLove
tantek seems to have hinted at it before in IRC and on that page.
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aaronpk
hmm odd
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gRegorLove
Perhaps he only meant as far as the markup of it, though
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Zegnat
what is bookmark?
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Loqi
A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark
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Zegnat
See, Loqi knows, nothing to debate ;)
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aaronpk
also i think tracking reading progress is different from tracking things like "I listend to this song" or "I watched this movie"
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gRegorLove
Agreed
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GWG
aaronpk: I refer to them in my plugin as passive kinds.
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GWG
L
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GWG
Also a bad name
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gRegorLove
Are there passive-aggressive kinds? :)
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gRegorLove
Honestly I've only experimented with reading progress on my own site a couple times. It's a lower priority for me.
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gRegorLove
I do use it a lot on Goodreads, though, so I'm looking to ultimately track them on my own site.
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Zegnat
I have started different systems for tracking what I read, but nothing ever stuck. I am also not structured enough in my reading.
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Zegnat
This, however, is how I wish I would be tracking my reading: http://fawny.org/reading/
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gRegorLove
Nice, Zegnat
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gRegorLove
Is that generrated automatically from LibraryThing?
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gRegorLove
What is LibraryThing?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "LibraryThing" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=LibraryThing&summary=prompted+by+gRegorLove+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-01%2Fline%2F1433184678678
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Zegnat
It is not mine, it’s Joe’s. And I would think he is handroling the HTML
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Zegnat
I just wish it were mine ;)
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gRegorLove
LibraryThing is http://librarything.com
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loqi.me
created /LibraryThing (+66) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433184678678 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi
ok
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Zegnat
I read books a lot like I watch films: a small niche genre that I keep revisiting. Not much to track.
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gRegorLove
"currently" could be a generic term for these, though maybe too ambiguous. "currently listening to __ by __" "currently reading __ on page __" etc.
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: do you write book reviews on Goodreads? Maybe a good place to start indiewebifying your Goodreads activity
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KartikPrabhu
what is status?
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gRegorLove
Rarely. I haven't in quite a while. But yes, that's an easy one.
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "status" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=status&summary=prompted+by+KartikPrabhu+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-01%2Fline%2F1433184834789
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gRegorLove
wat
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aaronpk
really this is just a log of things
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aaronpk
"checkin" just happens to be a catchy name for logging physical location by venue
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gRegorLove
Yeah
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KartikPrabhu
usually "status messages" or "status updates" are what track "currently..."
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aaronpk
like scrobble
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gRegorLove
Goodreads calls them status
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gRegorLove
Which I'm cool with
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aaronpk
"progress posts"?
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gRegorLove
Surprised we don't have /status
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Zegnat
I like KartikPrabhu’s “updates”, but I guess an update is only relevant if you also have an initial status.
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aaronpk
or maybe...these don't need a name :)
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snarfed
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 831 karma
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gRegorLove
"progress" sounds ok, though 'status" could cover both "progress" and "I'm listening to..." type posts.
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aaronpk
my favorite way of solving problems is by removing the problem
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gRegorLove
:)
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aaronpk
s/the problem/the situation that caused the problem
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Loqi
aaronpk meant to say: my favorite way of solving problems is by removing the situation that caused the problem
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gRegorLove
rm /media_checkin
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: gRegorLove: feel free to steal https://github.com/snarfed/misc/blob/master/goodreads_to_list.py
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gRegorLove
(And "status" is already a commonly used term that won't be going away soon)
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Zegnat
Could always just call them “FYIs” or “BTWs”: “BTW, FYI, I’m listening to…”
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: neat! starred
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gRegorLove
Haha
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kylewm
huh, I just noticed one of those Imprints (Austrian rather than German) that was mentioned the other day http://lucumr.pocoo.org/about/#imprint
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Loqi
kylewm: gRegorLove left you a message 2 hours, 16 minutes ago: Woodwind seems to only pull in the title of my recent blog post. http://reader.kylewm.com/?entry=http%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2015%2F05%2F1196%2F http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433181790407
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kylewm
gRegorLove: i see the full text, pictures, and all. did it resolve itself on your end?
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kylewm
gRegorLove: hmm, ok i see that the text is missing in the Atom version
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gRegorLove
Nope. Hm. just noticed a JS error: Uncaught ReferenceError: WS_TOPIC is not defined
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gRegorLove
Oh.
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gRegorLove
inveestigates
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kylewm
http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2Farticles.atom
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gRegorLove
Shows up for me in http://gregorlove.com/articles.atom
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gRegorLove
Wee
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Zegnat
Yes, kylewm, the German Wikipedia about the imprints mentions there is a requirement in Austria as well (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressumspflicht#Recht_in_.C3.96sterreich)
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Zegnat
I just wish there was some proper information to link to other than the same quotations of legalese over and over :(
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gRegorLove
I don't get how that's a mismatched tag. What am I missing?
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kylewm
gRegorLove: <img> isn't properly closed
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gRegorLove
Oh bother
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kylewm
indeed
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KevinMarks
that is the trouble with xhtml - you get draconian behaviour
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kylewm
Zegnat: Digital Ocean just opened a big data center in Frankfurt, do you think this applies to any site hosted there??
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Loqi
KevinMarks: kylewm left you a message 5 hours, 18 minutes ago: should I be using your fork of feedparser in Woodwind? like, will it do a better job finding podcast enclosures etc? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433171422729
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Zegnat
kylewm: I can of course not give legal advice. But let me dig up what a German hosting company told me earlier today.
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Zegnat
I m not going to name the hosting provider, and again, no legal advice, IANAL, IANYL, etc. etc.
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Zegnat
“If you are just hosting your website in germany, but it's not in german and not targeted at a german audience, you probably don't need to have an Impressum at all. Again, the german laws are fuzzy on the matter what constitues "targeted at a german audience".”
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aaronpk
since nobody except highly paid lawyers can give legal advice, and the regulation is written in legalese, i'm guessing this doesn't actually matter in practice
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kylewm
legalese? looks more like German to me
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kylewm
ba-dum-ch
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aaronpk
hmm what's the german word for legalese? :)
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gRegorLove
instantrimshot.com
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Zegnat
It matters in so much as bloggers have reported getting threatening letters from lawyers when they forget about the imprint. Of course they will try and get you to settle out of court. Something you will want to do as the fines go up to 50000 EUR.
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aaronpk
wow. whose lawyers?
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aaronpk
of course there's a german word for legalese... "Juristensprache"
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aaronpk
not as cute tho
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gRegorLove
Got it sorted, kylewm. Expect it will show up after the cache clears. Thanks!
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Zegnat
Small fry lawyers I guess, people don’t like to discuss those details. But I guess it is a scheme much like those threatening letters you get for illegally downloading stuff in other countries.
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Zegnat
It is pretty ironic that I started researching this for a domain “licit.li” ;)
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aaronpk
i mean who is sending the letters tho? lawyers representing the german government? or just random lawyers?
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Zegnat
random lawyers
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kylewm
yes sounds very reminiscent of RIAA/MPAA lawsuits
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aaronpk
how in the world can a random lawyer file a lawsuit against a blogger for not having the impressum, unless the lawyer represents the government?!
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KevinMarks
how do they have standing though?
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Zegnat
Random lawyer contacts you that you are not complying to TMG. TMG is a law that protects “consumers” (the lawyer is a consumer of your site). So they will file a civil suit against you unless you settle with them right there.
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Zegnat
At least that’s usually how it goes. Or so I hear.
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aaronpk
that just sounds like a giant scam
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Zegnat
Still scares the crap out of people though.
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Zegnat
It might be worth contacting Digital Ocean though, they might be more willing to comment on this than the small hosting company I was talking with
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KevinMarks
sounds like the ADA stuff in CA
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kylewm
exactly what i was going to say
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Zegnat
KevinMarks: link?
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gRegorLove
http://transblawg.eu/2003/10/13/u-s-comment-on-impressumgerman-lawyers-cease-and-desist-hunt/
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KevinMarks
http://www.modbee.com/news/local/article3171079.html
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Zegnat
Ah, yes, accessibility laws are also prone to this effect
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Zegnat
I seem to vaguely recall a case where someone sued a website for not subtitling their videos.
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Zegnat
And the link gRegorLove mentions there is one of the few English articles I found too. Basically it makes small law firms into cease-and-desist-shakedown offices.
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Zegnat
I considered setting up a IndieWebCamp page about this, but I am really not qualified to do so and I don’t think IndieWebCamp should try to give advice concerning this.
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Zegnat
On the other hand, we do urge people to strike out on the web alone, and they can get into trouble if they do not know about local law. Like fkooman admitted earlier today.
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: the same thing happens in the US with the ADA (disability protection law), among other things
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: not to mention patent trolls
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: Zegnat++
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aaronpk
who is wirres.net?
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: aaronpk: diplix
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aaronpk
thx
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aaronpk
!tell diplix you should add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people! :-)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
!tell diplix what embedding thingy are you using for your site? I noticed it found a random user photo as the "featured" photo for my post http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7733/1/51/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: looking at the wiki code, you stopped using the authenticate() function from wordpress, was there any issue with it, or was it just to simplify things?
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aaronpk
wordpress?
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/wordpress/mediawiki/
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: aaronpk: looking at the wiki code, you stopped using the authenticate() function from mediawiki, was there any issue with it, or was it just to simplify things?
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ben_thatmustbeme
overtired these days
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aaronpk
oh I think it was just an unneeded step
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Zegnat
aaronpk: when Loqi copies slack chat here, does it register the karma increase?
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Loqi
grins profusely
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aaronpk
Zegnat: no, i haven't figured out the best way to hook that up yet
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Zegnat
drat
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aaronpk
Zegnat++ there you go
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Loqi
Zegnat has 2 karma
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Zegnat
is happy to be able to do 2 bad deeds now
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kylewm
manual karma transfer until it hurts :)
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Zegnat
aaronpk: do you recommend StartSSL even with them charging for revocations?
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bear
zegnat: I do
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bear
one of the very few ssl cert vendors that actually verifies identity
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Zegnat
bear: can you elaborate? All I know is I wouldn’t mind dropping a free SSL on my domain.
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bear
if you get registered as a user for the paid certs then they actually call you to make sure your info is accurate
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Zegnat
hm, I’ll give that a look.
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Zegnat
I don’t really like the paying-for-revocation though, with all the SSL attacks popping up lately
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ben_thatmustbeme
well, basically rolled that commit back, but I have a version that I think corrects it
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ben_thatmustbeme
but of course no version of the wiki installed
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ben_thatmustbeme
so don't know precisely if it works or not
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ben_thatmustbeme
https://github.com/dissolve/IndieAuth-MediaWiki
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aaronpk
i've been using startssl for everything cause i need so many certs and it would be super expensive otherwise
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: would you prefer a pull request although untested?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i know the pieces all work (tested those on their own) but I don't have a full mediawiki setup
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: sure, i might be able to test it tonight
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aaronpk
i'm still going to point out there isnt really a benefit to this change
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aaronpk
s/benefit/functional benefit
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Loqi
aaronpk meant to say: i'm still going to point out there isnt really a functional benefit to this change
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ben_thatmustbeme
I'm still going to point to Zegnat and say yes there is. and thats just one example and i can think of others
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ben_thatmustbeme
but mainly its about breaking any dependance
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aaronpk
it's not a dependency any more than relying on the curl module for php is
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ben_thatmustbeme
and removes an unneeded step for those that don't want to use indieauth.com.
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ben_thatmustbeme
except CURL isn't a service that can go down
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tantek
curl as a service, hmmm...
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ben_thatmustbeme
lol, tantek, but you have to curl the service to use it :P
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aaronpk
indieauth.com is more likely to be available than the wiki now
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ben_thatmustbeme
and for those that want to set up another wiki?
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tantek
aaronpk: probably good since so many indie web apps depend on indieauth now
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aaronpk
what?
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aaronpk
that has nothing to do with this
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ben_thatmustbeme
well you made it its own git repo
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aaronpk
the plugin?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i guess people might want to use that plugin
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tantek
this conversation is confusing
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aaronpk
they can go change the url to whatever indieauth.com-like api they want
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Zegnat
Very confusing. So I’m stepping out before I am used as argument again ;) Will be back the 3rd probably, after my exam. Good night :)
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Loqi
see you in the morning!
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ben_thatmustbeme
lol
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ben_thatmustbeme
good night Zegnat
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aaronpk
i made it a config option in the omniauth gem. it should be a config option in this plugin too
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aaronpk
this is confusing because indieauth.com does two distinct things, and does them in a very similar way
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ben_thatmustbeme
it does more than 2, but what 2 are you referring to?
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aaronpk
it would be clearer if the API that websites can use was distinctly different from the new /IndieAuthProtocol API
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aaronpk
and also if i had not called it indieauth.com
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ben_thatmustbeme
lol
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ben_thatmustbeme
this commit is to basically make it the protocol, not the .com
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aaronpk
right. and normally you'd lose all the relmeauth functionality this way, and require people put an authorization_endpoint on their sites
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KevinMarks
hi andi
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tantek
!tell aaronpk,kylewm do your readers use the results of a mf2 parser to look for alternates for Atom/RSS - or do you do your own parsing / scraping for those link rels?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
because the indieauth.com API is very similar to the IndieAuth protocol, indieauth.com can be used as a "fallback" when the user doesn't have their own authorization endpoint
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: do your readers use the results of a mf2 parser to look for alternates for Atom/RSS - or do you do your own parsing / scraping for those link rels? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433194869698
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: thats why i left default_endpoint there
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ben_thatmustbeme
which makes perfect sense
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ben_thatmustbeme
auth endpoints don't have to be relmeauth for that matter, which gets interesting
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aaronpk
i believe all other IndieAuth endpoints do not implement relmeauth
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ben_thatmustbeme
mine does now
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ben_thatmustbeme
at least for 1 site
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tantek
anyone here object to dropping the "alternates" collection from the parsed microformats2 JSON output? (and using rels + rel-urls to look them up instead?)
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aaronpk
i am using the "alternates" but it's kind of sad that it doesn't know about the type
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aaronpk
i'd rather use rel-urls
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tantek
(note that a utility function could recreate an "alternates" collection from "rel-urls")
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tantek
ok
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aaronpk
yeah right now i show an RSS icon regardless of what the alternate is, but it's fine cause you can't actually subscribe to those in monocle yet ;)
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tantek
ok cool - and since you could never depend on the "alternates" key being there, your code won't fail when it's not
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aaronpk
yeah
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tantek
in other news I've also joined the W3C's Pubsubhubbub community group - if you're interested in PuSH, and already have a W3C login, you may want to join too: https://www.w3.org/community/pubsub/ - let's support julien51 in his efforts here
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tantek
(looks very low traffic btw)
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tantek
what is PuSH
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Loqi
PubSubHubbub (PuSH) is a notification-based protocol for publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indiewebcamp.com/PuSH
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tantek.com
edited /PubSubHubbub (+794) "update Discussion with actual links to where discussion occurs, link to W3C Community Group, move old "complex" discussion point to an Issues section and note historical context vs. deployment today" (view diff)
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tantek
updated in particular: https://indiewebcamp.com/PubSubHubbub#Discussion
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kylewm
tantek: I use both rel-urls (to look for rel=feed) and alternates; combining them would be great
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 43 minutes ago: do your readers use the results of a mf2 parser to look for alternates for Atom/RSS - or do you do your own parsing / scraping for those link rels? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433194869698
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tantek
kylewm: thanks - yes current spec says that alternates are included in rel-urls, and glennjones's tests say so too
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tantek
assuming implementations catch up, ok with dropping "alternates"?
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kylewm
yep
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Loqi
[bridgy] Apple Ratana RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/674781485961103#10152322038371054)
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bret
woop http://www.thepinchandzoom.com/blog/2015/5/14/facebook-stop
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@drushti22
#ownyourdata #Alteryx #inspire15 #useready https://instagram.com/p/3Z6Zaphg8R/ (twtr.io/1054wseUfxb)
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kylewm
finds it very hard to believe that 95% of teens 13-17 used facebook in 2012
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KartikPrabhu
maybe 95% of teens in the US who they surveyed ;)
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aaronpk
was the survey distributed via facebook?
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KartikPrabhu
lol
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KevinMarks
how did they measure it? # of teen accounts compared to population?
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KevinMarks
'cos lots have multiple accounts
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KevinMarks
so, who is using "alternates" in their microformats code?
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tantek
KevinMarks - yes I was asking that earlier as we were debating in #microformats :) see logs
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tantek
is spoiled by all our {{kevinmarks}} style user nickname templates on indiewebcamp.com
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tantek
it's like @-names but better (h-card included)
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tantek.com
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kylewm.com
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solson
I'm confused about h-card
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KevinMarks
what in particular?
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solson
I'm trying to indiewebify my wordpress site http://stevenjamesolson.com
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solson
Hi Kevin
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solson
I just learned about this from TWIT when they mentioned your name
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solson
I'm at http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstevenjamesolson.com%2F
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KevinMarks
right, what's confusing?
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solson
and it is asking me to add a url and email and photo and I am missing something basic, where do I add this stuff?
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KevinMarks
are you using the wordpress plgins?
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solson
i downloaded the indieweb plugin for wordpress
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solson
I've enabled most of them
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KevinMarks
GWG and acegiak are the experts there
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tantek
yeah I thought the wordpress plugin took care of making your h-card for you
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GWG
solson: How can I help?
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KevinMarks
looks like there are author hcards on the posts but not a sitewide one
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GWG
solson: I am guessing you are using Post Kinds
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solson
Trying to setup an h-card
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solson
I have the plugin enabled
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solson
I have the post kinds plugin enabled
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Loqi
slack/dariusdunlap: The way I’ve found to do h-card is as a text widget in the sidebar. There may be something more elegant, but nothing I’ve found built into the plugins I know about. (If there is, I’d love to find out about it) see my site at: <https://darius.dunlaps.net>
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solson
At http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstevenjamesolson.com it says "An h-card was found on your site, but it’s not marked up as the representative h-card!"
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Loqi
slack/dariusdunlap: Here’s the text from the sidebar wdget I have setup:
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KevinMarks
right, it's seeing h-cards in the posts as author
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KevinMarks
which is why it just says Steve too
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Loqi
slack/dariusdunlap: &lt;div class="h-card vcard"&gt;
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gRegorLove
Slack is encoding the HTML. Looks messy
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Loqi
slack/dariusdunlap: I’m sure there’s something wrong with that. :wink: but it’s what I’ve got and seems to work.
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solson
Thanks guys, I'll keep working on it
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gRegorLove
solson: I think if you added a rel=me on the page that points to http://stevenjamesolson.com/author/steve/, then the h-card would work as representative, since it's using rel=author for that URL. I think that's what the Indiewebify message means, and might be the simplest way without adding a widget.
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Loqi
[bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/674781485961103#10104508630096080 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi
[bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/674781485961103#10100760138533084 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi
[bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/674781485961103#10152783886462979 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club
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GWG
Most WordPress themes aren't marked up properly
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tantek
GWG, can we document them and submit patches?
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GWG
tantek: I have met with resistance upstream
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GWG
I was trying to get the ones in core.
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tantek
GWG, documenting themes?
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GWG
tantek: Getting them to accept patches
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tantek
GWG, perhaps start with documenting the themes to be fixed on indiewebcamp.com - then maybe others here can help too
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GWG
tantek: Good idea
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GWG
I need the help
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tantek
we all do - helps to have help no matter what we're working on
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GWG
I also have an issue that the only solution I can think of is hacky.
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GWG
Or that is how pfefferle described it, but I don't blame him
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gRegorLove
I don't think the representative h-card method is hacky. If solson's site is the default theme (looks like it), adding one rel=me to the template should work.
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tantek
gRegorLove: any chance we could document that? perhaps on /rel-me#How-to-add-on-WordPress ?
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GWG
gRegorLove: I may have a better solution.
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gRegorLove
I would need to double check to make sure I'm understanding representative h-card first, but sure.
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gRegorLove
A widget may well be easier, since it's in WordPress UI, not editing a PHP file in the theme
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tantek
either way - better solution or not - would be helpful to have any solution documented in a findable place like that
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gRegorLove
Sure
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tantek
or document both solutions
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david.shanske.com
edited /rel-me (+147) "/* How to on WordPress */" (view diff)
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GWG
I added it last week
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GWG
There are two ways included
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GWG
Embedding in the head, or a widget.
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gRegorLove
GWG: Is that "WordPress Menu" option creating visible rel=me links or <link> elements?
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GWG
Visible links.
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GWG
The plugin option I suggested has visible links
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GWG
And <link> elements.
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gRegorLove
GWG: How about adding instructions for the twenty* theme to change rel="author" to rel="me author"?
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gRegorLove
As a third option
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GWG
gRegorLove: I still have hope to submit PRs for it
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GWG
My latest is out
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GWG
https://wordpress.org/plugins/bridgy-publish/
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GWG
gRegorLove: Re the 201? themes, they are all based on _s. I keep trying to get into that
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gRegorLove
201?
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GWG
Twenty-fifteen and its ancestors.
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GWG
So, I've been working on a fork of _s.
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GWG
I have one. I'm going to be refining it more next.
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gRegorLove
I thought twentyfifteen was a default theme, not a child theme.
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GWG
It isn't a child.
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GWG
_s is a starter theme. It is a barebones theme used to make themes.
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GWG
So, having an unstyled marked up theme that people can style is one part of a multi-part plan
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GWG
It also means anyone who has a theme can look at the markup and apply it.
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GWG
I also have a separate project that does markup as a series of functions someone could add to a theme.
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GWG
So, I fiddle with a few things.
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GWG
https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/30783#comment:2
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GWG
I try everywhere
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Vendan
jefflarkin on here in any form?
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Loqi
[mention] Jeff Larkin posted 'Implementing an #indieweb CMS 3 min read Every so many month...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com (https://jefflarkin.withknown.com/2015/implementing-an-indieweb-cms)
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gRegorLove
GWG: What tantek was suggesting though is instructions for specific WP themes. The twenty* themes will be most common and include author links already, so adding a rel=me to that same URL should make the indiewebify.me test work.
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gRegorLove
Presuming it's single-author
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GWG
single/multi is an issue for me
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gregorlove.com
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gRegorLove
GWG, tantek: For your review^. I just confirmed that works for finding the representative h-card in WP theme Twenty Fifteen.
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gRegorLove
Perhaps it should be linked from /rel-me somewhere too.
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gRegorLove
!tell solson I think this will help with your representative h-card problem: https://indiewebcamp.com/representative_h-card#How_To_Set_Up_WordPress
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gregorlove.com
edited /representative_h-card (+91) "/* How To Set Up WordPress */ confirmed twentyfourteen is the same" (view diff)
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp
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tantek
gRegorLove: that looks like a good start
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tantek
though now it makes me wonder about the backcompat hCard they're using
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tantek
that is the class="url fn n" - I wonder if that should be just class="url fn" - do they have "given-name" or "family-name" on elements inside?
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GWG
tantek: They do not necessarily.
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tantek
without given-name or family-name or one of the other n subproperties, the "n" there can cause an error - it's why we dropped in (and subproperties) in microformats 2
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GWG
tantek: I don't know how to overcome the inertia in WordPress.
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tantek
GWG, doing as you are doing - trying multiple approaches, multiple projects, plugins, themes.
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tantek
the more that each of those produces some successes, the greater the chance the others can and will change as well
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tantek
I'm working on automatic sending of webmentions for reply-to links
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tantek
I have my code written to do it explicitly after I've POSSEd and recorded the syndication link, per: http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention#POSSE_or_Send_Webmentions_First
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tantek
but now I'm wondering if I should send PuSH notifications first, or webmentions to the in-reply-to link
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tantek
anybody here have any particular opinions on whether you should PuSH notify your hub first or send webmentions to the links in your post first?
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tantek
I'm leaning towards sending a PuSH notification first before webmentions to in-reply-to links but I don't have a specific reason for it
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tantek
maybe to prefer readers that have subscribed to PuSH updates? because they've taken a specific action to indicate their interest in seeing what I've written - vs. sending a webmention to someone who may want them in general but didn't necessarily ask you for a response
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tantek
is going to copy paste code rather than deal with another file and namespace
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snarfed
boo
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GWG
snarfed: Boo?
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snarfed
GWG: re tantek
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tantek
snarfed: it's only two functions ;)
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GWG
snarfed: By the way: https://wordpress.org/plugins/bridgy-publish/
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snarfed
tantek: it's only another file :P
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snarfed
and especially you, you're such a DRY warrior with everything else
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KartikPrabhu
"you're such a DRY warrior" :P lol!
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snarfed
GWG: i saw, congrats!
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GWG
snarfed: I keep knocking things down another peg
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tantek
snarfed: it's code I wrote and shared on github as part of a one-off file anyway - I don't think anyone is using it
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snarfed
tantek: eh. you're not going to convince me it's ok, but i can't stop you :P
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tantek
snarfed: the publication on github was not in a form I'd want to re-use myself
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tantek
I just wasn't ready to call the code yet - it was more of a demonstration about how short such code could be (a couple of functions instead of a a bunch of classes, methods etc.)
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tantek
https://github.com/indieweb/link-rel-parser-php/blob/master/src/IndieWeb/link_rel_parser.php
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tantek
if this integration works, then I'll get to recast that file as a bit of open source extracted from Falcon, a separable piece others could use (don't want to claim that until I have it live and working for my site)
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@nrburnette
RT @FromTheWastes: Bioflash Short Stories by @nrburnette – What are they?... https://fromthewastes11811.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/bioflash-short-stories-by-n-r-burnette-what-are-they/ #amreading #amwriting #indieauth # htt… (twtr.io/105Xxt8o9fH)
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acegiak
GWG: I'm modifying my local version of indieweb post kinds so that the metaboxes have ids again so I can get at them easier with jquery
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GWG
acegiak: What is the end-game? Is it worth a PR?
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acegiak
might be
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GWG
What are you planning to do?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "you planning to do" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+planning+to+do&summary=prompted+by+GWG+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-01%2Fline%2F1433219780615
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acegiak
ids is how my prepop post plugin accesses the fields
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GWG
acegiak: But they all have unique labels.
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acegiak
using name?
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acegiak
just changed
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acegiak
echo '<input type="text" name="cite_' . $key . '"';
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acegiak
to
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acegiak
echo '<input type="text" id="cite_' . $key . '" name="cite_' . $key . '"';
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acegiak
and same with the hcard line
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acegiak
in class-kind-postmeta.php
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GWG
That works.
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GWG
acegiak: The goal was to make it easier to add fields.
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tantek
neat
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tantek
well, no syntax errors, that's a start
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acegiak
GWG: yeah, totally makes sense
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GWG
acegiak: I want to do more of that
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GWG
It makes it easier to edit things
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tantek
wow: https://medium.com/@LED_bear/an-apathetic-16-year-old-s-view-on-social-media-8d4b7914f237
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tantek
Interviewer: Did you know that Facebook owns Instagram?
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tantek
16 year-old: I did not know that.
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tantek
Interviewer: How does that make you feel?
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tantek
16 year-old: …Cheated.
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KartikPrabhu
I'll call that a "silopiphany"
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tantek
really impressed by how often benwerd posts notes on his own site - feels like stream of conciousness
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@t
@benwerd @erinjo also proud of you & @withknown — so much #indieweb & especially user empathy. Keep up the great work! (ttk.me t4bT2) (twtr.io/105bwA7KNsp)
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tantek
well POSSE code still works, but the automated webmention didn't
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tantek
hmm - and a manual webmention returns a 400
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tantek
makes me wonder if maybe my code is not at fult
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tantek
s/fult/fault
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: makes me wonder if maybe my code is not at fault
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tantek
!tell benwerd tried sending you a webmention from my reply http://tantek.com/2015/152/t2/proud-withknown-indieweb-user-empathy and got a {"error":"target_not_found","error_text":null} - HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request - but view source on my post and its there!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
ok, time to try a different site
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gRegorLove
tantek: The twentyfifteen theme just has: <span class="author vcard"><span class="screen-reader-text">Author </span><a class="url fn n" href="https://twentyfifteendemo.wordpress.com/author/iamtakashi/">Takashi Irie</a></span>
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gRegorLove
twentyfourteen is probably the same.
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tantek
gRegorLove: huh - in that case the "n" definitely needs removing
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gRegorLove
php-mf2 seems to parse it ok. Is it mf1 parsers that it causes problems with?
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tantek
!tell benwerd very odd just tried the exactly same manual webmention 25 minutes later, same exact command line, and got a 202 Accepted - again for this reply http://tantek.com/2015/152/t2/proud-withknown-indieweb-user-empathy
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
gRegorLove: yes
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tantek
I designed the backcompat handling of hCard to workaround the "n" problem
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tantek
that is the mf2 backcompat handling
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tantek
ooh just found https://aaronparecki.com/events/2015/07/11/1/indiewebcamp-2015
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tantek
anyone have any idea why a webmention curl (to a Known endpoint) would give 400 the first few tries, then 25 minutes later a 202?
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@t
going to IndieWebCamp 2015-07-11…12 in Portland! You should too! Choose Portland or Brighton: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (ttk.me t4bT3) (twtr.io/105fV4L47k4)
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tantek
huh - well that didn't work either but forgot to turn on debugging - apologies if there's duplicates here
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gRegorLove
tantek: I don't really know, but I've had webmentions to werd.io return 202 and t hen never show up
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tantek
once I got a 202 it showed up
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tantek
I just don't know why it got a 400 at first :(
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@LynnMagic
this indieweb thing https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (twtr.io/105g4WK0sgb)
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gRegorLove
Hey, cool: https://twitter.com/LynnMagic/status/585783676790706177
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@LynnMagic
Current @twitter and @CQT_Quirell side by side comparison: https://twitter.com/LynnMagic/status/585783676790706177/photo/1 (twtr.io/y7bH9c3dNx)
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gRegorLove
And the previous tweet context to that "this indieweb thing" one above is https://twitter.com/LynnMagic/status/605615899475722240
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@LynnMagic
I suppose I should go to this @t (twtr.io/105fqXD7bAf)
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tantek
very cool
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tantek
trying again with debugging (automated webmention sending)
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@t
going to IndieWebCamp 2015-07-11…12 in Portland! You should too! Choose Portland or Brighton: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (ttk.me t4bT3) (twtr.io/105giCUDYeU)
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tantek
alright, debugging got all the way into the start of head_http_rels so that's where I'll have to pick up tomorrow
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@Brighton_RT
RT @t: going to IndieWebCamp 2015-07-11…12 in Portland! You should too! Choose Portland or Brighton: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (ttk.me t4bT3) (twtr.io/105h6VwTDZs)
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tantek
heh
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@t
@LynnMagic it would be great to have you @IndieWebCamp. (ttk.me t4bT4) (twtr.io/105hWz0FVGp)
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kylewm
hmm, does Quill require a login with no path?
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Loqi
[bridgy] Sage Elliott favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/t/status/605618357665005568)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Brighton ReTweeter retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/Brighton_RT/status/605619444338040832)
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tantek
more debugging in the morning, good night #indiewebcamp
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Loqi
night
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pfefferle
good morning
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Zegnat
mornin’
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pfefferle
Zegnat I am using an impressum btw :)
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vanderven.se martijn
edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn (+111) "/* History */" (view diff)
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Zegnat
pfefferle: cool, let me have a look
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pfefferle
Zegnat it is VERY simple http://notizblog.org/kontakt/
(or join via IRC, Matrix, or Slack)