#indieweb

2015-06-30

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tantek.com
edited /custom_post_style (+158) "see also, why" (view diff)
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rhiaro
Anyone noticed this weird @ stripping pseudo-RT/QT on twitter lately? https://twitter.com/21StepsMichael/status/615808245483986945
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@21StepsMichael
rhiaro: #websci15 Come to Online Behaviours session next to see emax present our paper on lying & deception on soc… http://quickestdollar.com/ (twtr.io/116Mns4Nu95)
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rhiaro
oh, loqi printed a different url to what's displayed on twitter. I guess it's spam then.
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rhiaro
but... weird spam... since it doesn't @ mention anyone
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tristanthomas.me
edited /Jekyll (+85) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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tristanthomas.me
edited /projects (+85) "/* Jekyll */" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se
edited /Jekyll (-16) "Prettified my own name in the list" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /custom_post_style (+696) "more subheads, add brainstorming with h-entry e-x-style scoped style element idea" (view diff)
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tantek
!tell KartikPrabhu re: custom post script - are there real world examples of it? if so, yes, especially if you can add a "Why" section
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
edited /custom_post_style (+7) "/* Tantek */ /code" (view diff)
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@jimpick
Impressed with https://indieauth.com/ - still too complicated for most people though. (twtr.io/116kdisHq4o)
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning #indiewebcamp
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cuibonobo
good morning!
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ben_thatmustbeme
what are you up to cuibonobo?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "you up to cuibonobo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+up+to+cuibonobo&summary=prompted+by+ben_thatmustbeme+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-30%2Fline%2F1435673377075
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ben_thatmustbeme
shh Loqi
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cuibonobo
haha just working! my company wants to make a game so i've been learning unity these past few weeks
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@HongPong
beware thinking that social media is a main drag. it's a thing but its like a ledge in a river really.see https://indiewebcamp.com/silo @MnWatcher (twtr.io/116sX8Vkeyx)
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csarven
What type of systems/environments/tools do you all use to create/update your resources?
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csarven
Lets make that create/update/delete ;)
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petermolnar
csarven that question is too wide for me to answer, could you be a bit more specific?
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cweiske
debian linux here
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petermolnar
currently elementaryOS Freya on the desktop, debian 7 on server, looking forward to replace it with FreeBSD on server
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petermolnar
if that is the question
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csarven
It is a bit related to how you store and retrieve the information for authoring purposes. If you have to update a paragraph or remove an h-card or anything for that matter, what is the process you go through? (e.g., someone who uses static files might open up their blog post in a text editor and edit away, another might use their CMS..)
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petermolnar
that is a bit hard to answer
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petermolnar
for the posts themselves, WordPress keeps revisions, to the CMS takes care of it; since I write my things in markdown, I just use a plain textbox in the browser, inside WordPress for edits
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petermolnar
those things that live in code, like hcard representations, are in a git repository, synced with github
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nedorito
I just set up jekyll but haven't had time to relaunch my whole site
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tantek
csarven++ for asking a very good question, and worth documenting (for everyone for themselves and to share)
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Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme
csarven: for posts i have edit/delete in my micropub client. for data like h-card data i usually end up using mysql-workbench as I have it all in my database, but I don't yet have microupub updating of my h-card working yet
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tantek
just took notes while doing my posting process for recent note, documenting shortly
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have to do that sometimes with posts too as the edit does not work for articles which are written with an editor app (stored as HTML) but works on all other post types as they are stored as text
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ben_thatmustbeme
definitely a really good question
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tantek
csarven - that question may be worth adding to /wikifying as a good question for people to answer on their User: pages
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tantek
it gets at the heart of a lot of what we are doing
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm wondering if we do it all in one page
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ben_thatmustbeme
becomes a central point for ideas about how to make it better UI
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tantek
I'm adding it to /Falcon as an example of current posting process
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tantek
makes sense per tool I think
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zachdonovan
resurfacing -- good morning!
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tantek
and maybe *also* a summary page with answers inline or linking to them
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tantek
welcome back zachdonovan!
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tantek
who is zachdono- ?
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zachdonovan
we met at Schnippers in Manhattan
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zachdonovan
for a brief and connectivity-challenged HWC
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tantek
yes we did - was just wondering about the other IRC nickname :)
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zachdonovan
oh!
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zachdonovan
beats me
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tantek
maybe leftover from a web IRC UI login?
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ben_thatmustbeme
really? its the same info it looks like
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ben_thatmustbeme
zachdonovan: do you have any other machines logged in
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ben_thatmustbeme
its not web IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme
pretty sure those don't get Real Name data to match
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+905) "capture Sample Post Creation Flow per csarven's question" (view diff)
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zachdonovan
ben_thatmustbeme: I'll have a look
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah weblogins show at @indiewebcamp.com
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tantek
csarven, ok here you go, both general description of Falcon posting "UI" from before, and just captured as I was doing it, Sample Post Creation Flow: https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Publishing_UI
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tantek
can definitely be improved, simplified, but it's a transparent capture of my present posting flow so I'll be able to track improvements as they're made.
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+14) "/* Sample Post Creation Flow */ edit locally" (view diff)
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zachdonovan
looks like my bouncer is holding a zombie connection
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csarven
ben_thatmustbeme tantek Thanks. I will revisit this.
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csarven
tantek Yes, that is the type of process I was interested in hearing from people. It is definitely a nice to have. Maybe even elaborate with personal preference/convenience/pain points.
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Loqi
[bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10155695330880212 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi
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Loqi
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Loqi
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Loqi
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Loqi
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Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
loqi playback too :)
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 29 minutes ago: re: custom post script - are there real world examples of it? if so, yes, especially if you can add a "Why" section http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-30/line/1435668829573
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Loqi
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Loqi
[bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/703707653108150#10155527645505615 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm
hi y'all, I'm sorry to say I won't be able to come up to portland for IWC. i'm very disappointed but i've overextended myself and just can't make it work :(
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KartikPrabhu
good use-case for the "Regrets" section ;)
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kylewm.com
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kylewm
yeah KartikPrabhu, I just wanted to apologize personally
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kylewm
"personally"
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gRegorLove
Bummer, kylewm :/
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tantek
sorry to miss you kylewm but certainly understand
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tantek
will we see you tomorrow night at least at Homebrew Website Club? (assuming so per RSVP on https://kylewm.com/2015/06/homebrew-website-club-1 :) )
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kylewm
thanks! and yep, i'll be up there tomorrow (RSVP on there is from facebook which sadly I don't have any control over)
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GWG
Afternoon
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tantek
kylewm: what do you mean you don't have any control over?
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kylewm
since I created the event, I can't RSVP anything other than yes
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zachdonovan
GWG: hey, sorry for radio silence!
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tantek
kylewm: oh that's interesting - what if you post an indie rsvp and then Bridgy Publish POSSE it to FB?
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GWG
zachdonovan: I have news
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tantek
GWG, zachdonovan are you trying to arrange a venue for tomorrow night HWC?
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GWG
tantek: I am available, but we didn't schedule one.
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kylewm
tantek:
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kylewm
Error: {"error":{"message":"(#100) User must be able to RSVP to the event.","type":"OAuthException","code":100}} HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
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zachdonovan
I have a conflict and can't make it
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zachdonovan
tomorrow night
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zachdonovan
GWG: what's the news?
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GWG
zachdonovan: Can you email me? I realized that I don't have yours
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tantek
kylewm: hmm - perhaps document on /Facebook#Issues ?
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tantek
GWG, zachdonovan how about HWC on the 15th in NYC?
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GWG
I am free that night as far as I know.
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tantek
this seems of interest to this group: https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/615919270799618048
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@jimpick
Researching what to do for self-hosted comments on a staticly generated blog. Discourse looks heavy. Isso might work. http://posativ.org/isso/ (twtr.io/1171TXYZnE8)
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tantek
voxpelli: perhaps an opportunity? ^^^
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GWG
And the manager of a kosher deli offered me a room if it is vacant.
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voxpelli
tantek: nice, I'll respond :)
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GWG
We have to buy food though
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tantek.com
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tantek
GWG, no problem - note the purchase minimum on the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme
lol tantek for that edit
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cuibonobo
heh
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@voxpelli
@jimpick I built https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ to accept comments other posts on their sites. @simmelj also has built one: https://github.com/simme/node-tala (twtr.io/117BasJgqw0)
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GWG
No minimum.
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tantek
GWG, ok cool - then just note the expectation that space is donated on the assumption that attendees will buy at least a drink or a snack.
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tantek
good to be upfront about that on the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh wow, cuibonobo, i didn't realize you work on Archer, cool
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ben_thatmustbeme
I got my season 6 crew t-shirt in
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zachdonovan
GWG: messaged you
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cuibonobo
yeah! it has been a great experience
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GWG
zachdonovan: What date is good for you?
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ben_thatmustbeme
cuibonobo: cool, did you end up here because I mentioned it in #archerfx at the time, or did you just happen to find the group?
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cuibonobo
the producers are amazing bosses. i was an illustrator but about a year ago i submitted a proposal to make software tools for the artists and they were like 'yep, go for it'
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cuibonobo
ah no i waded in on my own :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
cool
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zachdonovan
GWG: for HWC? The 15th works for me.
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zachdonovan
GWG are we still thinking about doing a remote IWC on the 11th-12th?
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GWG
I will call deli and see if yge regional manager reneged
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ben_thatmustbeme
hah, love the software name cuibonobo
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GWG
zachdonovan: Yes, but still venue challenged. I got an HWC venue.
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cuibonobo
ben_thatmustbeme: ah yes! i actually haven't worked on it in a while
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zachdonovan
gotcha. I'll ask around re:venue.
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cuibonobo
i've been really busy, but also if i'm really honest i think i got a little impostor syndrome too
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cuibonobo
like, 'is this good enough?'
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cuibonobo
i should just throw it up and be done with it
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GWG
zachdonovan: There are a few promising leads.
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Loqi
yea
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tantek
cuibonobo: welcome to the club.
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ben_thatmustbeme
cuibonobo: i've honestly hit that point with my software and i have put soo much time in to it
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tantek
If it helps, you can read my summary of how I post a note on my site from this morning, and feel free to LOL: https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Sample_Post_Creation_Flow
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gRegorLove
throwitup++ cuibonobo
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Loqi
throwitup has 1 karma
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gRegorLove
Er... :)
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tantek
um...
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tantek
on another topic - who else (besides KartikPrabhu) is interested in custom post styles?
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tantek
https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style
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aaronpk
is!
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tantek
aaronpk: awesome! I was hoping someone who is also building a reader is/was
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aaronpk
uhoh
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tantek
:D
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha
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ben_thatmustbeme
that would be pretty interesting to add
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tantek
I'm trying to think through how to publish a custom post style in a post permalink in such a way that reader could parse/see it, and perhaps *optionally* even use it for displaying that post!
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tantek
this is the key idea I'm starting with: <div class="e-x-style"><style scoped>…</style></div> inside the h-entry for the post
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aaronpk
styles that affect the contents of the post are fine, but i don't think there would be a reasonable way to have the post affect the styles outside the post
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aaronpk
for example your custom background for your whole site layout doesn't make sense in a reader
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tantek
but could on the h-entry
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aaronpk
but something like specifically styling an element within the post content would work fine
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ben_thatmustbeme
is scoped styles actually working in all browsers yet?
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tantek
I'm not making this up: http://html5doctor.com/the-scoped-attribute/
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aaronpk
ohhh dear
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aaronpk
have not see nthat yet
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aaronpk
isn't that not backwards compatible?
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ben_thatmustbeme
http://caniuse.com/#feat=style-scoped
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tantek
there's a polyfill for it
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: double negative?
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aaronpk
what's the opposite of backwards compatible
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aaronpk
backwards incompatible?
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aaronpk
forwards compatible?
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aaronpk
sticks to the original "not backwards compatible"
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: here's a noJS link instead: http://caniuse.com/style-scoped
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ben_thatmustbeme
"is that backwards compatible?"
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aaronpk
different meaning
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tantek
aaronpk - works in Firefox :D
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: sorry, if redirects when you have js on
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ben_thatmustbeme
or rather rewrites the URL
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tantek
rewrites to a longer more fragile URL?!?
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tantek
caniuse--
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Loqi
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tantek
I think I'm going to start using <style scoped> on live posts on my site just to nudge the other browsers with more bug reports >:D
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@Nuviun
RT @LifeHealthDiary: @LifeHealthDiary interviewed on #interoperability http://nuviun.com/content/building-a-bridge-to-interoperability?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign= @Nuviun #ownyourdata https://twitter.com/willfalk/status/611223759274516480 (twtr.io/117DYk9aWh9)
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aaronpk
"isn't that not backwards compatible" implies that I think it is not backwards compatible, whereas "is that backwards compatible" doesn't have that implication and just sounds like an innocent question
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tantek
hmm - if I get that right, maybe I can even style my posts *in-stream* like on my home page!
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tantek
aaronpk: back to the question at hand, would you consider adding "e-x-style" support to Monocle?
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually i can make it work on my site already as i give the post an ID which is its internal ID
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aaronpk
why does it need a microformat?
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ben_thatmustbeme
so i could rewrite the styles
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ben_thatmustbeme
but ... scoped would be sooo much better
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tantek
aaronpk - so you can just read the <style> element as part of the h-entry that it's for!
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tantek
it's a property, not a format itself
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aaronpk
if you include a <style scoped> element inside your e-content html, and a reader renders the html, it will just work
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tantek
property of its h-entry
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KevinMarks_
why not just target the post id?
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ben_thatmustbeme
realizes he can really mess up readers this way if they display the html
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KevinMarks_
or an id inside the e-content?
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tantek
KevinMarks: my posts no longer have id attributes
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks_: because during creation, you don't have an ID
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ben_thatmustbeme
assuming we are doing this through micropub
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tantek
aaronpk - I was assuming you were already filtering out <style> <script> and other possibly abusive tags
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aaronpk
tantek: question: are we assuming support for <style scoped> (with or without a polyfill)? my answer will be different depending on the answer
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KevinMarks_
tantek's feed would regularly blow up readers because he used xhtml inline and they were expecting escaped html and didn't sanitise that path
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tantek
hence why I was thinking of explicitly putting it on the h-entry as a property to indicate that yes, the author intends this style to go with this entry
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tantek
KevinMarks: still does :D - I still hear stories of people seeing <div … > in the "titles" of my posts in their "readers"
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tantek
which apparently fail to support Atom 1.0 propertly :P
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aaronpk
if there were a "style" property on an h-entry then the reader could include that css in whatever way it feels is appropriate, either by using style scoped, or using its own mechanism of scoping the css to the post, using its own css IDs for example
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tantek
s/propertly/properly
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: which apparently fail to support Atom 1.0 properly :P
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tantek
aaronpk - yes!
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aaronpk
and then it would still be safe to strip out any <style> tags inside the e-content html
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KevinMarks_
google reader was funny as a tantek's posts would be much bigger as he had <h2> in them
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ben_thatmustbeme
i still occasionally get tantek's posts in my Google Now stream
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@jimpick
RT @voxpelli: @jimpick I built https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ to accept comments other posts on their sites. @simmelj also has built one: https://… (twtr.io/117Es4P2UZ4)
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tantek
voxpelli++
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Loqi
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voxpelli
:)
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ben_thatmustbeme
voxpelli++
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Loqi
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tantek
yeah I kinda want to get custom post styles and <style scoped> working before I take down the rainbow flag background of my home page and all my posts - just to preserve it on that one post itself
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, i like that idea
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tantek
and I'm not going to "protect" other browsers against <style scoped> either - so whatever (presumably buggy) thing they do, it will be on them :P
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aaronpk
i've definitely put post-specific css rules in posts before, i thought you were talking about custom styles for the site layout per post
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tantek
aaronpk - oh? what was the earliest post you did that? and what mechanism did you use?
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tantek
aaronpk: add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style#Indieweb_Examples :)
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KevinMarks_
so I should keep using <details><summary> even though firefox ignores it?
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tantek
KevinMarks: if you like the feature, yeah, go for it
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tantek
I myself am not a huge fan of details/summary, but that's IMO
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aaronpk
I added custom css in the post content to get these drop caps http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/03/11/1/14-things-to-pack-for-a-week-at-a-tech-conference
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aaronpk
it's a <style> tag that is written right alongside the post content
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tantek
very cool!
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tantek
did it show up on your home page as well that way?
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aaronpk
i don't show full blog post content on my home page
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@jimpick
@voxpelli @simmelj Very cool! I was looking at webmentions. Not sure how it works for lightweight commenting (eg. anonymous). (twtr.io/117FamtBqBC)
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tantek
odd, it also doesn't show on the archive page for that day: https://aaronparecki.com/2013/03/11/
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aaronpk
yeah, i don't show post contents on list views
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tantek
you mean article content? because you do show note, reply, sleep content on list views
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@voxpelli
@jimpick Depends on whether one wants to host them or not. Been talking to @simmelj about adding my WebMention embed to his more classic one (twtr.io/117FmBmv8Ww)
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aaronpk
er yea, article
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aaronpk
i do show the featured image
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tantek
so you show a /link-preview for articles in list views then instead of the article itself?
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aaronpk
i suppose you could call it that
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tantek
is wanting hovercards for all the links now
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aaronpk
in fact, maybe i should take some design inspiration from link-preview and make sure my articles look better in lists
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tantek
aaronpk, e.g. I just hovered over "Feed by M.T. Anderson" in your sidebar, and expected to see an image of the book's cover
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KevinMarks_
is still playing with that
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aaronpk
come to think of it, i have been finding hovercards useful lately
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aaronpk
amazon uses them a ton
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tantek
aaronpk: same thing for all your "Listening" items, expecting to see a thumbnail of the album/single covers
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KevinMarks_
I got distracted by trying to make text fit without js
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aaronpk
hovering over rating stars to see the breakdown of % for each rating
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tantek
KevinMarks: text-overflow:ellipsis; ?
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tantek
hovercard all the links!
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aaronpk
text-overflow-ellipsis++
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Loqi
text-overflow-ellipsis has 1 karma
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tantek
Loqi, learn X all the Y!
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KevinMarks_
I don't want bloody ellipses, I want to read the title
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tantek
KevinMarks: you could always use MARQUEE ;)
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KevinMarks_
I am so sick of stupid designs that pretend all names are short
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KevinMarks_
especially in music players
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tantek
KevinMarks sounds like a rant worthy of screenshots and one of your infamous screeds ;)
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KevinMarks_
I was trying to come up wiht a layout solution
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KevinMarks_
http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/stop-pretending-everything-has-a-short-name-designers
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indie-visitor
#francophone
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aaronpk
a friend of mine posted a good mockup... let me find it
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aaronpk
https://twitter.com/verosoraptor/status/611997704500199424
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@verosoraptor
https://twitter.com/verosoraptor/status/611997704500199424/photo/1 (twtr.io/10if_k0KSWQ)
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tantek
aaronpk - nice
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aaronparecki.com
edited /custom_post_style (+294) "/* Indieweb Examples */" (view diff)
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tantek
I like the way the Swarm app shrinks the font size as you type more text into a checkin comment box
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aaronpk
yeah!
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voxpelli
just published two new indieweb node modules that's part of a Micropub endpoint I'm building
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voxpelli
one for formatting a Microformat JSON structure into something not so JSON:y (currently a Jekyll post): https://github.com/voxpelli/node-format-microformat
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voxpelli
and another that's a built and ready Micropub endpoint one can plug into ones Express Node.js app: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express
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voxpelli
both very early versions
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aaronpk
voxpelli++
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Loqi
voxpelli has 27 karma
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aaronpk
sweet! are you planning on supporting both form-encoded and json micropub requests?
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KevinMarks_
trying to make text fit the width of the element is really hard
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voxpelli
aaronpk: I think so, currently I've only focused on the form-encoded one, but I'm transforming them into JSON representation within the endpoint module so support for JSON requests should be more or less free
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aaronpk
sweet
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voxpelli
it currently works with Quill – so I can publish Jekyll posts to my GitHub Pages blog from Quill
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aaronpk
nice
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aaronpk
tantek: darnit now I want hovercards for all my links too!
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tantek
Inception complete. (BWOOOOONGGGGG)
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aaronpk
i wonder if i can do that somehow by adding a single script tag to my site
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KevinMarks_
now you're getting ahead of me
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tantek
what is a hovercard?
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Loqi
https://indiewebcamp.com/hovercard
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KevinMarks_
I was doing an unmung hovercard maker
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aaronpk
and on hover, have it ping an endpoint somewhere that returns a hovercard if it can make one
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tantek
whoa old page!
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tantek
goes to edit
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aaronpk
hm there are some good hovercard.TLD domains available
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reidab
other implementation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Hovercards
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KevinMarks_
previously: http://pageaspreview.herokuapp.com/
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aaronpk
hah!
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tantek.com
edited /hovercard (+799) "stub, dfn, stub why how indieweb examples, silo examples facebook & twitter, see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk
that actually might work reasonably well with responsive design being a priority
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dym.cx
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KevinMarks_
it looks extra good on high dpi screens too
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tantek
ok updated /hovercard a bit, feel free to add more!
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KevinMarks_
(I did pick responsive examples)
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tantek
ooh I think I know how we could easily markup hovercards in-content instead of having to JS them in
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tantek
with h-cite
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tantek
at least for things like books, movies, tv shows
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tantek
and then you could have the normal in-line minimal display of such things, as well as the :hover display that could show them that other information
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tantek
to do things like insert more links (e.g. if the hovercard had more links to things), you'd need JS, not just CSS
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aaronpk
i don't think i actually want to have the markup inline
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aaronpk
more work for me
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tantek
indeed - it's a tradeoff for sure
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tantek
XHRing the hovercard on demand would be more efficient for first page load
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KevinMarks_
Ben's tweet embed technique is worth studying
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tantek
KevinMarks: he is here in the channel btw: benward :)
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tantek
back on custom post style
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tantek
aaronpk, re: shouldn't the custom <style> just be included as part of the e-content - well no, not if you're using *p-content*
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tantek
e.g. my rainbow styling post is a *note* using p-content
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aaronpk
but your rainbow styling doesn't apply to the post content
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tantek
it's going to - that's my point
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aaronpk
how? what will it look like?
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tantek
I'm going to switch it from being global on my site / posts to just be that post only
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tantek
on the post permalink it will affect the whole post, which is the whole page
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aaronpk
what will it look like in list views?
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tantek
and if I get scoped style working, then it *should* affect only the "box" of the post in-stream on my home page
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tantek
seriously if I get this working I think it will look very cool :)
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tantek
so that's the reason to explicitly markup e-x-style and look for it in a reader - so that even notes with "just" p-content can get custom styling
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aaronpk
that's another reason
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tantek
yes, I stand corrected. another reason. :)
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aaronpk
i think the reason mentioned earlier makes a lot of sense as well, even for html content
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tantek
feels like everytime he says "I stand corrected." he should actually stand up.
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tantek
yes. we should capture both in /custom_post_style#Why
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KevinMarks_
I love this, talking of previews http://pagesfromceefax.net
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aaronpk
not sure how to capture those
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aaronpk
also i feel like there are two different kinds of custom post styles. styles that apply to contents of the post vs styles that apply to the stuff around/behind the post
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tantek
aaronpk - we can capture them as "Use Cases" as a subsection of Why if you like
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aaronpk
my dropcaps styles being an example of the former, and tantek's rainbow background an example of the latter
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KevinMarks_
I have a standing desk, so I cna say it accurately
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tantek
aaronpk: CSS makes no such distinction
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tantek
except in property names, e.g. background vs. color and font-size
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tantek
KevinMarks++
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aaronpk
well in order to target the background, it will likely need to be done differently for a post permalink vs in a list view
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aaronpk
as in, i'm pretty sure with my current HTML I can't write a single CSS rule for both
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KartikPrabhu
sometimes I change a whole lot i my custom_post_styles including the logo/button colours
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aaronpk
had to change tantek's CSS from targeting the body tag to the html tag
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aaronpk
and that of course won't work in a list view
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KevinMarks_
gah, closed my irc client by accident
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tantek
aaronpk what if you used <html class="h-entry"> ?
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gRegorLove
For PuSH, my atom feed is using https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/ and I want to update it to superfeedr. Do I need to just change the hub in the feed, or do I need to send anything so subscribers know to update? Didn't see anything on the wiki about this.
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tantek
for the permalink pages at least
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aaronpk
tantek: then I have other problems
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aaronpk
ooh maybe not actually, looks like i may have cleaned up some of that
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kylewm
gRegorLove: subscribers should poll occasionally to see if the push hub has updated; you could continue to ping both of them for a while to speed this up
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tantek
gRegorLove: probably worth capturing as an FAQ: /PuSH#FAQ
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gRegorLove
kylewm: Do you mean listing both hubs in the feed? If the feed lists superfeedr but I push to appspot won't that cause problems?
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kylewm
according to julien you can list and ping both hubs
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gRegorLove
Maybe I'll try updating to superfeedr and pinging both, see what appspot does
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gRegorLove
How often is Woodwind polling to check the hub?
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kylewm
1x/day if the feed does push and has been successfully subscribed
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@e2b
@lmprht → are already plenty ways, all limited to different platforms with TOS. And what about RSS users? Are silos really better? Indieweb? (twtr.io/117RwqNspzU)
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gregorlove.com
edited /PubSubHubbub (+306) "/* Issues */ +FAQ" (view diff)
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dym.cx
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dym.cx
edited /PubSubHubbub (+6) "/* Hubs */ new url on github" (view diff)
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kylewm
sigh, this didn't work out too well https://adactio.com/journal/9201#comment20116
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dym.cx
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dym_cx
kylewm: shouldda not put .h-entry on a <body>
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tantek
why?
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dym_cx
looks, like abdacto-s site scraped all in .h-entry
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tantek
odd, there shouldn't be any scraping happening, only parsing
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dym_cx
s/abdacto/adactio/
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Loqi
dym_cx meant to say: looks, like adactio-s site scraped all in .h-entry
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tantek
URL?
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aaronpk
this is probably the implied p-name problem
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kylewm
no, it was supposed to be a like
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kylewm
there shouldn't be any text at all, it should just be interpreted as a like, like the other ones at the bottom
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aaronpk
but if you don't put a name, the parser implies one
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aaronpk
http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://kylewm.com/2015/06/like-of-jeremy-keith-100-words-100
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kylewm
sure, but why should it use the name at all?
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tantek
kylewm - exactly
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tantek
perhaps something to be clarified on /likes
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aaronpk
oh yeah, if adactio is consuming the like properly. but it needs a better fallback for consumers that don't handle like
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tantek
that's what p-summary is for
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tantek
I believe kylewm and I resolved this in IRC a while ago, specifically regarding RSVP responses, but applicable to any /response
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kylewm
is jeremy's code open source?
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kylewm
i changed p-name to "likes this." and it interpreted it as a like...
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kylewm
mostly I wanted to get my dumb looking comment off the top of an important post on a high traffic blog :)
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tantek
heh
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@t
Wanting to keep CSS Pride bg live on its post, asked #indiewebcamp; two have per post styling: https://indiewebcamp.com/custom_post_style (ttk.me t4bw2) (twtr.io/117bPRnQGhf)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: what do you think of having /customized_posts as one page with /custom_post_style and /custom_post_scripts as sections ?
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tantek
I think they're pretty different
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tantek
just like different h-entry properties are different
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tantek
and frankly, in terms of reader recommendations
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KartikPrabhu
ok cool
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tantek
to do scoped style, where as scoped script doesn't work like that.
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tantek
I mean - if there even is scoped script
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KartikPrabhu
"there is scoped style" is also dubious with lot less support
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tantek
scoped style is declaratively containable, whereas script is not
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KartikPrabhu
also what I do with custom_post_style is not "scoped" in any sense
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tantek
it is - to that post
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KartikPrabhu
not to the h-entry
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tantek
do you display your articles ever in a list?
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KartikPrabhu
yes.
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tantek
h-entry is just the plumbing for the post
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: well in that sense I can scope scripts to a post by only including them on the post permalink pag
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KartikPrabhu
articles list: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles
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GWG
I'm working on content creation tonight
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GWG
Part 4 of my continuing series.
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tantek
KartikPrabhu sure - hence I suggested a separate /custom_post_script page
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KartikPrabhu
aah ok I see :)
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GWG
I mention this because people too often forget to talk about writing stuff
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KartikPrabhu
what is custom_post_script?
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tantek
IF there are any real world examples or real world interest / itches
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "custom_post_script" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=custom_post_script&summary=prompted+by+KartikPrabhu+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-30%2Fline%2F1435707887316
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: i have a few examples already
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tantek
GWG, no it's not forgotten. see /create
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: you publish per post scripts already ?!?
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GWG
tantek: I meant, we talk about how we are building tools for our sites in here, but don't mention when we are posting content on them as much
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yup! see: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/life
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KartikPrabhu
with JS on :P
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tantek
of course ;)
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tantek
GWG - interesting - I see it as a good mix
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: a more practical exmaple is https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/euclids-space where I use MathJax to convert Latex equations to MathML or HTML+CSS rendering
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GWG
tantek: I'll be watching over the next week. I'm curious to see if I change my impression
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: very good - definitely link to practical examples!
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Jeena
aaronpk, is today a Homebrew Website Club Meetup in Portland?
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tantek
alright, I'm going to try implementing e-x-style and <style scoped> later tonight, shoudl be doable, and hoping to provide an example for aaronpk /Monocle to parse and display
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tantek
Jeena - tomorrow - but we need a venue in PDX
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Jeena
I see, the only bad thing about the place we've been last time was the quite bad wifi connection
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tantek
Jeena - if you can coordinate with bret - go ahead and pick a venue for PDX and add it to the wiki - announce here etc! (both aaronpk and dietrich are out this week) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Jeena
ok, I think I can do that, do we have brets website/email address?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek ^
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Jeena
I'm a bit confused about the date in here http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc but I guess it is just not been updated?
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Jeena
or wait
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Jeena
oh tomorrow is the 07-01
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KartikPrabhu
July 01 is wednesday which is tomorrow
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Jeena
ok nevermind
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KartikPrabhu
:P
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gRegorLove
Jeena: Bret is bret.io
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gRegorLove
And bret right here. :)
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KartikPrabhu
ok got it!
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jeena.net
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kylewm
rhiaro: is your site in flux?
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Jeena
Ok, I just sent bret an email because he seems to be afk, I will update the wiki tonight
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bret
hey Jeena just been swamped at work
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bret
sorry
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bret
Jeena: checking in with mozpdx to see if there is event space
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bret
otherwise...
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aaronpk
I think I want to try Basecamp next time I can host
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aaronpk
i think it has better wifi
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bret
aaronpk: can't make it this week?
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aaronpk
nope
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bret
k
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bret
are there good perl downtown or nw bars?
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bret
or restruants
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bret
backspace closed :[
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bret
Jeena: we could car2go it over to the waypost
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aaronpk
Tilt is open late
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aaronpk
we had the indiewebcamp breakfast there last year
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bret
urggg tilt.. its crazy town there at 5/6
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aaronpk
oh? i've never been there past like noon
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KevinMarks_
what is side file?
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Loqi
The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indiewebcamp.com/side_file
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KevinMarks_
is JSON-LD a sidefile?
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KevinMarks_
or should we add a JSON-LD section to http://microformats.org/wiki/dry
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KevinMarks_
what is json-ld
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Loqi
JSON-LD is JSON with "Linked Data" support https://indiewebcamp.com/JSON-LD
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KevinMarks_
OK, who wants to read my post about schema and mf2? http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks++ good post
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 122 karma
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aaronpk
wants to take care of the php mf2 parser but doesn't have time right now
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aaronpk
currently two outstanding PRs to review
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aaronpk
maybe this is better for #microformats actually...
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aaronpk
suddenly i find myself wanting to use <style scoped> all the time
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aaronpk
it's like a less hacky version of inline styles
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@jimgroom
New blog post: "Remember the time I photobombed Tim Berners-Lee at IndieWebCamp" http://bavatuesdays.com/remember-the-time-i-photobombed-tim-berners-lee-at-indiewebcamp/ https://twitter.com/jimgroom/status/616085815785947136/photo/1 (twtr.io/1180x9kx9kb)
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: WAY less hacky. I have known about them for a little bit, still waiting for more browsers to pick them up... but then i didn't know there was a polyfill for it
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tantek
bummer about backsapce closing in PDX :( many a good informal indieweb hack session was had there
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Jeena
Hm so bret are you there?
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Jeena
So since he didn't answer my email, wasn't here yet when I tried to ask and he didn't update the wiki yet I assume I should just chose a venue myself, add it to the wiki and hope for the best?
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Loqi
[mention] Jeena posted 'Discuss progress; meet up; make new friends. Are you building your own website? Indie reader? Personal publishing web app? Or some other ...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (/homebrew-website-club-portland)
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jeena.net
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Jeena
Ok so I just did it, if you're in Portland tomorrow then at least I will be at the Fat Head's Brewerey from 5:30 pm, this is the blog post which I also linked on the wiki https://jeena.net/homebrew-website-club-portland
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Jeena
sadly I still am not able to receive rsvps on my website but it hopefully should at least show up as a mention
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Jeena
there is also a POSSE event on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/1074229289271298/
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Jeena
I hope I didn't do too much wrong, if I did just tell me.
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@jeena
If you're in Portland join me tomorrow tor the IndieWebCamp Homebrew Website Club at the Fat Head’s Brewery https://jeena.net/homebrew-website-club-portland (twtr.io/118CDWW_Sv0)
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tantek
Jeena - great!
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tantek
Jeena: could you update the Portland venue under "Where" ? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek.com
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KevinMarks_
after all that scoped style discussion I ended up with custom post css for the schema tabbed thingy I cloned
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KevinMarks_
though I should probably not hotlink it
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KevinMarks_
if we can have scoped style, can we have scoped rels again?
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tantek
yeah - that was weird to have to approve an external script
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tantek
KevinMarks: nope. scoped style is in HTML5 spec, same spec that scopes rels to document level.
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KevinMarks_
the jquery one is preapproved with noscript
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KevinMarks_
you saw https://thehackerblog.com/the-noscript-misnomer-why-should-i-trust-vjs-zendcdn-net/
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KevinMarks_
the other thing I see with http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
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KevinMarks_
is that there are better pretty printing choices for json than the one unmung uses http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html#will%20be%20consistent%20across%20parsers%20in%20different%20languages.
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cweiske
KevinMarks, the tabs show a text cursor, not a normal clickable cursor
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KevinMarks_
hm, I may be inheriting some odd script form schema
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KevinMarks_
I should take mf2j out, it isn't making properties lists
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