#indiewebcamp 2015-09-08

2015-09-08 UTC
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M-Kodo @kegan:matrix.org: Didn't realise you were into indieweb
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M-Kodo I got my Microformats elixir parser mostly working! woo https://gist.githubusercontent.com/tjgillies/18e545fb2bdee51ff521/raw/fd7074833a4675e38145eed65ec4cc6f65fa5a62/microformats.txt
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parzzix Wondering if Known is the most user ready indieweb project? Or is there something else that is just as easy to implement?
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M-Kodo Known is probably the best
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Jeena M-Kodo, is this a erlang microformats parser?
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M-kegan Kodo, :)
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mblaney I just added web action and indie-config support, would love some testing and feedback if people have time.
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mblaney link (and more info) here: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2015-09-08-web_actions_and_indie-config
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Jeena I guess I have to have indie-config implemented to test it?
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mblaney hi Jeena, no it has fallbacks for facebook and twitter that should work.
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Jeena I block those two in my browser ^^
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mblaney that's ok it won't send you there ;-)
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Jeena ah you don't show their links, just a normal text link, neat, ok it send me to the facebook share view so it seems about right
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mblaney nice! yes sorry I meant it didn't send you there during the set up. thanks for testing it!
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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Jeena Zegnat, and joskar just a friendly hint https://jeena.net/events/3
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Jeena And I should add a link to import the event into your calendar
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vanderven.se martijn edited /ind.ie (-342) "Fixing the SPANs and clarifying its original use." (view diff)
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Zegnat Jeena: I’ll look into it, but I probably can’t make tomorrow :( I will probably try and attend one again in October!
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Jeena no problem :)
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tantek good morning Zegnat
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Zegnat Good morning tantek :)
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voxpelli mblaney: the indie-config worked for me – although I had to explicitly load it before I saw any of the webactions links?
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voxpelli didn't post anything though – just saw that the form loaded with the correct data
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mblaney hi voxpelli, thanks for looking at it! would be interested in your thoughts about how my implementation works?
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mblaney I've used some of your work and added local storage, so once your indie-config is set it will be remembered.
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voxpelli mblaney: requiring setup means a two step process rather than a single click + your caching means my config may get at of date at your place
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voxpelli s/at of/out of/
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Loqi voxpelli meant to say: mblaney: requiring setup means a two step process rather than a single click + your caching means my config may get out of date at your place
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mblaney if you click the settings link again, it will tell you what I have stored and let you remove it.
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mblaney the two steps is a once off, and lets me remove the silo dependency which I was keen to do.
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mblaney would love to discuss more, but got to go for now.
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voxpelli there is really no silo-dependency – you can have whatever fallback you want – it can eg. be a comment form on your own site
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voxpelli ok, great with feedback :)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Loqi [mention] someone posted https://unicyclic.com/mal/2015-09-08-web_actions_and_indie-config that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/web_actions, https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark, and https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config https://webmention.io/notification/qPjUCl2ASPaej8tDsUzLrA
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aaronpk good morning!
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snarfed hey aaronpk
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aaronpk kylewm: is your site propagating comments on https://kylewm.com/2015/09/https-www-brid-gy-update-launched-support-for-backfeeding to indienews because of salmention support?
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aaronpk i'm actually a little confused how those got there, since there is no link to indienews on the comments
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aaronpk oh wow, my code totally wasn't handling a case when verifying webmentions to indienews
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snarfed eh verification is overrated
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snarfed obligatory: take the xkcd approach, https://xkcd.com/1181/
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aaronpk haha yeah
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aaronpk I'm excited to launch multi-language support for indienews tho!
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@adactio Brightonians with websites—don’t forget Homebrew Website Club at @68MiddleSt tomorrow evening from 6-7:30pm. https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/641294545670553600)
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adactio snarfed: Thank you so, so much for adding Flickr support to Bridgy!
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adactio snarfed+++++
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 8/17 at 6:42pm: any plans to to host another Homebrew Website Club Brighton on the 26th? Add venue etc.? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-17/line/1439862129141
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: did you take / could you post a photo from last night's HWC Brighton? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-27/line/1440662282640
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[snarfed] adactio! you're welcome! credit goes to kylewm, he did all the work
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Loqi [mention] Ella Durham wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started https://webmention.io/notification/0Xqm0tmcR-TJyr9GeL9lmg
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snarfed evidently our new original post detection logic for https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 is too tight. i started to roll it out, and immediately got bug reports that bridgy was demoting links to mentions that were actually original post backlinks
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snarfed specifically, examples that failed both the "near the end" req't and (i suspect) the 24h req't
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snarfed details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51#issuecomment-138633029
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snarfed whee
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snarfed i think just tightening it to only the user's domains may be good enough
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snarfed the complaints here have been mainly that faves of mentions aren't faves of the mentioned links, which that would prevent
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Loqi [mention] Andy Budd and Paul Lloyd reposted a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/5CNZDiYQqyIeOzhGke9r_w
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp from Redmond!
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Loqi [mention] Kenneth Yau and Mark Everitt reposted a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/A9LSxLeAtukdkbxPiZS4bw
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GWG Greetings all
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tantek hello GWG!
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GWG tantek: Anything new and exciting? I need inspiration
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tantek yes! the discussion of how to make person-tags work with POSSE and backfeed!
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tantek (I mean that was last week - but it's still exciting IMO)
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tantek (still in progress)
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tantek.com deleted /File:20150908-063308.pdf "Spam"
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tantek aaronpk, can we just block .pdf uploads? seriously, ain't nobody got time for pdf;dr
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk yeah i think so
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aaronpk that should do it
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GWG I have not gotten to person tags. Not an itch I have at the moment
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tantek GWG, in particular see http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#With_other_profiles and https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/459
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tantek it's an interesting itch because it touches on SWAT0 related building blocks
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tantek and the more we can get this working with silos (via POSSE and backfeed), the more we approach the possibility of getting indieweb<->*silo* interop on SWAT0 which would be a tremendous achievement
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GWG tantek: I appreciate the implications and I am following it.
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GWG I just still am having POSSE issues
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tantek aaronpk: location for tomorrow's HWC PDX? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek GWG - indeed! We should capture those POSSE issues on the wiki because I think you are breaking new ground.
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aaronpk oh my that is tomorrow
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tantek perhaps by either post-type or by silo destination?
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tantek aaronpk: yes! and PDX is the only city missing a venue!
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GWG tantek: I should, but I remember last week, you pointed out wrinkles that I didn't know that I had
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GWG Like my responding to a post as a reply when the response is for my audience, not those of the original
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GWG My questions always raise more questions, which is simultaneously good and frustrating
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GWG On the other hand, aaronpk is rebuilding his site from scratch again, so I am not the only one who does that.
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aaronpk *tear*
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aaronpk I want to be done with the rebuild so I can make fancy new things with it
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GWG aaronpk: I was referring to my similar tendency to rebuild what I already built.
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GWG Yo make it better so I can build new things
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GWG Which is what I am doing with Post Kinds
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tantek GWG - your questions are often very insightful and helpful to uncover subtleties that have been missed.
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tantek and yes - it often takes a dialog among multiple people to understand the "wrinkles" as you put it!
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snarfed ugh extended OPD for bridgy #51 is killing me. so fragile.
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club (+120) "add pdx" (view diff)
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@phasenkasper Warum sagt mit keiner, das es jetzt auch Pingbacks für @getkirby gibt!? http://getkirby-plugins.com/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/641343113177333761)
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@brennannovak @rem it's usually #IndieWeb related, right @adactio ? Definitely worth learning about / implementing IMHO :D (twitter.com/_/status/641347723182997505)
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wagle doesnt look convenient to get to the pdx meeting site from the MAX...
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Loqi [bridgy] B██████ NVK replied '@rem it's usually #IndieWeb related, right @adactio ? Definitely worth learning about / implementing IMHO :D' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/brennannovak/status/641347723182997505)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jeremy Keith replied '@rem It’s basically people sitting around working on personal projects, helping one another out.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/adactio/status/641348153464123394)
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Loqi [bridgy] Remy Sharp replied '@adactio what kind of stuff is discussed? I might be about…and I have a(n aging) website.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/rem/status/641347142989185024)
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Loqi [bridgy] Remy Sharp replied '@adactio that sounds like the tech support I have to give the rest of my family already…AND STILL THEY DON'T PAY MY HOURLY RATE!!!' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/rem/status/641348366048227329)
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Loqi [bridgy] Paul Annett replied '@rem @adactio Can I give my mum your number? twitter.com/paulannett/sta…' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/PaulAnnett/status/641348708727058432)
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Loqi [bridgy] Remy Sharp replied '@adactio sounds like a group hug tho, I could be down with that. (just time competes with putting kids to bed…definitely considering it)' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/rem/status/641348624530604037)
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Loqi [mention] Charlotte Jackson reposted a post that linked to https://webmention.io/notification/-Gr5uwcBCBbXC3xGgnaing
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tantek so I don't think IPFS is needed
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tantek I think we can patch HTTP and existing web sites with a new protocol
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tantek e.g. I still think we can patch this in the "current" web by coming up with a protocol to ask any site for its cache of any other site
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tantek start with indieweb sites that are caching their reply-contexts and comments
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tantek and thus you can even *discover* the URLs you can ask them for their cache of
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mblaney thanks voxpelli, I'll leave my indie-config the way it is for now then, but open to suggestions.
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aaronpk the problem/feature of URLs is that the contents can change
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tantek aaronpk: last I remember we discussed this, you said you could return the parsed JSON but not the raw HTML?
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tantek aaronpk: it's not a problem
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mblaney plus my code is freely available if anyone wants to collaborate
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tantek because we define the protocol to be "whatever the site has cached"
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aaronpk in the indieweb context, it makes more sense to share the parsed JSON around instead of the raw HTML
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tantek here, simple dumb straw proposal: rel="webcache" href=URLendpoint
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tantek aaronpk: but you did say you were saving the raw HTML right?
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aaronpk I am on aaronparecki.com, but webmention.io doesn't save the HTML, just the parsed result
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tantek aaronpk: it doesn't because if/when the "parsed JSON" rules change, you get/lose more/less data
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tantek ah ok
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aaronpk webmention.io is storing all versions of profile images now though
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tantek I wonder if for that reason it may be good to define a canonical mapping from mf2 JSON back to simple HTML+mf2
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tantek like perhaps we can do so via XOXO
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo
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mblaney !tell voxpelli thanks, I'll leave my indie-config the way it is for now then, but open to suggestions.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk: if we defined a default reverse mapping from mf2 JSON to HTML+JSON, do you have any interest in implementing that in webmention.io?
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk what would be the purpose?
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tantek as a test implementation of this distributed HTTP webcache protocol
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tantek would also provide a nice default webview of the data that webmention.io has!
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tantek that's actually much more immediately useful
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aaronpk hm yeah
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tantek that kind of inspectability
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aaronpk i'm probably going to switch it to storing its data on S3 soon so that I don't have to worry about servers, I wonder if it'd be reasonable to store my generated HTML as a static file on S3
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tantek heck if you're going to switch it to S3 soon, why not store the raw HTML alongside as well?
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tantek I understand that's not possible for past webmentions
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tantek but moving forward...
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aaronpk yeah might as well
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aaronpk S3 storage is cheap, which is good, because this is not an insignificant amount of storage
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snarfed re json to mf2 html...i doubt it's the canonical mapping you want, but just as a data point, https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/microformats2.py#L295
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snarfed it's *a* mapping at least
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snarfed not yet exposed via REST but that'd be easy to add. related to https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/31
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tantek snarfed++ for providing a real world working example :)
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Loqi snarfed has 139 karma
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snarfed (both directions, etc)
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cleverdevil- how much storage are we talking?
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aaronpk cleverdevil: my site has archived 1.4gb of external content so far. that's comments and reply context for aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk not including images
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cleverdevil that's nothing :)
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aaronpk i didn't say it was a lot, I said it wasn't insignificant :)
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cleverdevil at least, not in S3 terms.
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cleverdevil point taken.
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cleverdevil we (DreamHost) may be able to help with hosting/storage for IndieWeb plumbing.
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aaronpk yeah, great for S3, but more of a challenge for shared hosting or VPSs where you have to shuffle files around
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cleverdevil to encourage adoption, etc.
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cleverdevil we've got an S3-compatible object storage service, as well.
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aaronpk oh? interesting. it's been a while since i've looked at any dreamhost services beyond simple hosting
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cleverdevil I run the Cloud Services division.
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cleverdevil we've got our S3-compatible object storage service (DreamObjects) and an EC2-like cloud compute service (DreamComptue)
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cleverdevil *DreamCompute
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tantek what is DreamObjects
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DreamObjects" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/102_
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tantek what is DreamCompute
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DreamCompute" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/102a
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tantek aaronpk, snarfed: captured: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#default_generated_HTML
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tantek please contribute additional thoughts!
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