#indiewebcamp 2015-10-01

2015-10-01 UTC
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@kevinmarks @limedaring come chat at https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-30 - lots of web dev chat there (twitter.com/_/status/649447923864899584)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+135) "/* 2011 */ add article from gigaom" (view diff)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor_ help
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indie-visitor_ ok, that makes sense :-)
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voxpelli tbrb: Did you update the wiki with tuesdays Edinburgh HWC?
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voxpelli indie-visitor_: you have to type the "/nick" first
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indie-visitor_ thanks
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indie-visitor_ I shall go away now, thanks
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voxpelli !tell tbrb: Any news on the Edinburgh plans? We will do Malmö HWC this tuesday
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Kongaloosh voxpelli: I can see if I can find tbrb.
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: perhaps you know? :)
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Kongaloosh well, we kind-of have to do it on tuesday. the people who usually come have a commitment then due to another meetup.
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Kongaloosh I'd say it's likely, but not 100% certain.
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: I was kind of confused by the HWC entry at https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Getting_Started_or_Restarting
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Kongaloosh how so?
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voxpelli Kongaloosh: oh, nevermind, I apparently can't interpret a date correctly – I see now that it just haven't been updated in a while
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Kongaloosh ah, yes. I think tbrb is still scouting venues
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kodfabrik.se created /events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club (+2383) "Adding a Tuesday 6:th October HWC meetup page" (view diff)
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voxpelli !tell tbrb Added a base event for tuesday with Malmö as one of the places, would be awesome if Edinburgh joined as well: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli !tell tantek Malmö HWC will be this tuesday, 2015-10-06: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@jgmac1106 @erinjo @benwerd Happy one year anniversary. You two built something really special @withknown #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/649557065296408576)
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@voxpelli @olleolleolle Vi tänkte köra en ny HWC nu pÃ¥ tisdag: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club :) (twitter.com/_/status/649566377456627712)
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@olleolleolle RT @voxpelli: @olleolleolle Vi tänkte köra en ny HWC nu pÃ¥ tisdag: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club :) (twitter.com/_/status/649567979219324928)
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tbrb Kongaloosh: Do we want to meet this evening then or just push it back to next tuesday in line with Malmö ?
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Loqi tbrb: tantek left you a message on 9/28 at 11:40am: when you have this week's HWC Edi confirmed (one way or another) could you update https://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming and the event page week's HWC Edi accordingly? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-28/line/1443465629923
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Loqi tbrb: voxpelli left you a message 2 hours, 14 minutes ago: Any news on the Edinburgh plans? We will do Malmö HWC this tuesday http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-01/line/1443698192304
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Loqi tbrb: voxpelli left you a message 1 hour, 47 minutes ago: Added a base event for tuesday with Malmö as one of the places, would be awesome if Edinburgh joined as well: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-01/line/1443699822449
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tbrb Thanks, Loqi
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voxpelli I didn't update the upcoming, I'll do that now
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voxpelli tbrb: or do you want to do it? And move the Edinburgh one from the thursday to the tuesday on /Events#Upcoming
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tbrb I'll see what the others want to do
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acegiak GWG: post kinds is filtering out html from the context again?
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acegiak my guess is that the allowed elements json object isnt being found for kses
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acegiak hmm, nope ok. I removed the kses on cite['content'] in class-kind-postmeta.php and it's still not doing it
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acegiak !tell snarfed let me know what I need to do to make bridgy recognise my POSSE tweets as POSSE not replies
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak !tell GWG let me know what I need to do to have HTML in my cite content again
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak night all
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acegiak !tell pfefferle let me know if it's ok to merge in salmentions as they are into the main semantic-linkbacks so we can work on making it better code in future
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Kongaloosh tbrb: I'd be down for both
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Kongaloosh we could meet at sociTEA
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@RikMende RT @jgmac1106: @erinjo @benwerd Happy one year anniversary. You two built something really special @withknown #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/649596353354539009)
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@RikMende RT @kevinmarks: 20 minutes into #indieweb and chill and @withknown bot gives you this look… https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/649325547328114692/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/649596399479332865)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Nginx (+797) "nginx w/ http2" (view diff)
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@Covata Thanks to our supporters! We think it's great we smashed our targets but we're just getting warmed up. #datasecurity #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/649604610513088512)
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kylewm acegiak: short term I think if you change your twitter profile link to https instead of http://acegiak.net, it will work. i thought snarfed just fixed an issue with that, but i guess it persists
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kylewm (and you may need to reauth twitter on bridgy for it to pick up the new url)
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@benwerd That's what I'm talking about. #indieweb https://twitter.com/SandstormIO/status/649603214220759040 (twitter.com/_/status/649625682423640064)
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@LukasRosenstock ICYMI - "Medium's Evan Williams To Publishers: Your Website Is Toast": http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome?utm_content=bufferc28ac&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer As an #indieweb supporter I hope he's wrong. (twitter.com/_/status/649626123555467264)
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aaronpk wow epic fail in that link
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aaronpk i clicked the forbes link, showed me an ad cover, clicked "continue", showed me another ad cover, clicked "continue" then it took me to forbes.com instead of the aritcle
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fourtonfish Hi everyone! I have one quick inquiry. What is the policy in this channel on discussing potentially very useful, but ultimately not very relevant projects? Non-commercial spam, basically.
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aaronpk fourtonfish: we have #indiechat for off-topic chatter
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fourtonfish Got it, thank you!
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cleverdevil so, had a thought that occurred to me... one of the reasons that silos like Facebook are so popular is that they make it easy for people to privately share content with each other... is there any sort of IndieWeb concept for allowing IndieWeb sites to "connect" with each other as "friends" and then share content privately?
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aaronpk cleverdevil: there's been some experiments yeah
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aaronpk what are private posts?
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts
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cleverdevil yeah, this seems to be a pretty critical concept for adoption.
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cleverdevil Known has the concept of membership on a single installation, and making posts private to members... this would be sort of the same thing, where a "user" is remote to the site.
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aaronpk yeah totally. it's just a lot easier to iterate on UX and stuff faster when everything is public
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aaronpk we have a lot of things figured out way better now than last year, so I suspect to see more people working on private post things soon
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@ken_bauer No. no they have not. It is important to reclaim ownership of our data @jefferysaddoris see #IndieWeb See also http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-02/06/tim-berners-lee-reclaim-the-web (twitter.com/_/status/649628423946502145)
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aaronpk really it's a matter of when people get the itch to start working on private posts :)
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cleverdevil indeed.
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cleverdevil glad to see there is some sort of concept already baking.
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cleverdevil that said, when it comes to social features like this, its only going to work if you see adoption.
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cleverdevil which means user experience is going to be have to be pretty much perfect, along with integration into silos.
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aaronpk that's why it's so important to grow it slowly and organically!
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cleverdevil if I want to share a private photo gallery of my kids and have my mom see it, its pretty much Facebook or nothing right now :/
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cleverdevil nods
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cleverdevil we'll get there :)
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@jordan_web RT @benwerd: That's what I'm talking about. #indieweb https://twitter.com/SandstormIO/status/649603214220759040 (twitter.com/_/status/649638891142672385)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/649653419620352000
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@Snowden I forgot to turn off notifications. Twitter sent me an email for each: Follow Favorite Retweet DM 47 gigs of notifications. #lessonlearned (twitter.com/_/status/649653419620352000)
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aaronpk omg
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aaronpk it amazes me how much email twitter sends
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aaronpk their infrastructure for pumping out that many emails must be pretty impressive
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gRegorLove Too bad their emails aren't limited to 140 characters.
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gRegorLove selfdogfood fail
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harryreeder.co.uk edited /events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club (+294) "/* Where */ Add HWC Edi Tuesdays!" (view diff)
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tbrb voxpelli: tuesdays are a go!
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voxpelli tbrb: cool!
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harryreeder.co.uk edited /events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club (+261) "Update HWC Edi 2015-10-06 - RSVPs etc" (view diff)
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Kongaloosh voxpelli: HWC so nice we're doing it twice
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tbrb I'm updating the upcoming section on /events now
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harryreeder.co.uk edited /Events (-182) "Edinburgh and Malmö Tuesdays Update" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] Amy Guy wrote a post that linked to a photo: "post-type-discovery" https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery https://webmention.io/notification/mzPz6C7-gznlJawIg301nw
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Zegnat Is anyone going to do people-reviews (like Peeple) on their own site, or accepting reviews of themselves? Sounds way out there, but I am still left wondering.
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Zegnat https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/30/everyone-you-know-will-be-able-to-rate-you-on-the-terrifying-yelp-for-people-whether-you-want-them-to-or-not/
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aaronpk hah!
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Zegnat I am part intrigued, and part scared of someone actually submitting my phone number to them
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Zegnat Guess Tantek is safe, as it seems you can only rate people bound to telephone numbers, ha!
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aaronpk hah
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aaronpk I have two phone numbers, work and personal, I wonder if that means I'll have two identities there
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Zegnat According to a screenshot on http://thenextweb.com/opinion/2015/10/01/peeples-app-isnt-out-yet-and-its-already-hated-for-good-reason/ you can start a profile/page for anyone as long as you enter “their cell phone number” So I would guess the answer is yes, aaronpk
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@Covata October is National #CyberSecurity Awareness Month! Is your organisation's data secure? #GetCovata #OwnYourData @StaySafeOnline (twitter.com/_/status/649679946873442304)
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@pypi_updates went 0.1.5: Tools for implementing a webmention enpoint. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/went/0.1.5 (twitter.com/_/status/649691762534010880)
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gRegorLove Re: Peeple, if this is true, that's good at least: "If you haven’t registered for the site, and thus can’t contest those negative ratings, your profile only shows positive reviews."
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gRegorLove Still sounds like a bad idea overall, though.
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acegiak morning, all
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KevinMarks hi acegiak
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GWG Morning(translated locally), acegiak
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Loqi GWG: acegiak left you a message 8 hours, 59 minutes ago: let me know what I need to do to have HTML in my cite content again http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-01/line/1443709417243
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acegiak lol
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GWG acegiak: I am just running it through the kses filter you submitted by pull request
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GWG Not sure what would be different
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acegiak :/
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GWG I had a security warning sent that I wasn't sanitizing my inputs. I thought I had used the KSES option you set up on every sanitization, but maybe I missed one
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acegiak GWG: I went in and just removed the kses filter so it's not filtering anything at all on mine currentlyand the html is still getting filtered out
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acegiak let me look where I was editing
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GWG I just hate those security warning tweets on Post Kind vulnerabilities.
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acegiak oh yeah no we should remove the vulnerabilities
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GWG What happened to notifying the author and giving them a few days to fix it before telling the world to panic?
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acegiak line 174 on kind class-post-meta.php is where I removed the kses and still getting the weird behaviour
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GWG acegiak: I'm just saying I may have made a mistake in removing them
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acegiak oh gotta go back in an hour
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GWG Good. I'm going to go take something for my pain and maybe I can work on this for a bit
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KevinMarks anyone sf-based want to give an indieweb talk at wafflejs? https://github.com/wafflejs/wafflejs.github.io/issues/64
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@harukasan_rss The IndieWeb https://speakerdeck.com/calumryan/the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/649730305654419456)
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fiatjaf I have a question concerning the procedures a webmention receiving endpoint should adopt when faced with URLs that can redirect. if there's anyone willing to help me understand it, please read it here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/497#issuecomment-144875874 (it is small, just a comment)
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aaronpk the quick answer is the target parameter should be present in the HTML of the source URL
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aaronpk regardless of redirects
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aaronpk verifying that the webmention is valid is as simple as "does this target parameter exist in the HTML?" with no additional http requests
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KevinMarks though if it's your own site presumably you know what you url variants are?
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aaronpk yes but that's after verifying the webmention is valid
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aaronpk (answered on github)
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tantek should it go in the FAQ?
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Loqi tantek: voxpelli left you a message 12 hours, 2 minutes ago: Malmö HWC will be this tuesday, 2015-10-06: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-01/line/1443699863991
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kylewm basically, adactio's minimum viable webmention endpoint (https://gist.github.com/adactio/6484118) is right and i was wrong :)
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fiatjaf aaronpk: whenever you are sending a webmention (automatically sending) from a noteyou wrote referencing some other note by an URL that is not the final (i.e., it will be redirected to another), then you must either (1) not follow any redirects and send the webmention to the URL exactly as it is in your note; or (2) edit the body of your note to match the URL after redirection to which you are sending the webmention?
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aaronpk that sounds correct
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aaronpk I would recommend not following redirects and letting the receiver sort it out
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kylewm (or i guess the general rule of putting the onus on the sender to make things easier on the receiver)
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tantek kylewm: except the receiver may move their site, change their site path / URL structure (like aaronpk is doing) in which case the receiver has to handle redirects anyway, because they created the redirects long after the responses to their permalinks were posted.