#indiewebcamp 2015-10-03

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kylewm yes it is a "what's the text of this note?" -- what's an appropriat ething to show in a reader/reply content? marking up a repost in a way that gives a good fallback is tricky
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acegiak morning, all
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tantek hello acegiak !
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acegiak kylewm: yeah I started fixing that last night just didn't getit finished
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kylewm acegiak++ for procastination ;)
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Loqi acegiak has 26 karma
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acegiak it was 1am, I was going to break something if i tried :P
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GWG I'm thinking of ordering some cheap business cards. What Indieweb things might go on a business card?
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GWG Oh, and hi
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acegiak GWG: Mine has a vcard QR code
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GWG acegiak: Has anyone ever scanned it?
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kylewm GWG: I've had business cards for 10 years and I don't think I've ever given out one
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GWG I was going to try to work on my networking skills.
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acegiak GWG: Yeah a couple of times. cause it means they don't have to worry about losing the card
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kylewm yeah, that says more about me than about business cards
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acegiak and some peoplelike the novelty
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kylewm short answer: your url :P
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acegiak ^this
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GWG Seems like a lot of white space
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acegiak the URL on mine isn't my personal URL anymore, it's the machinespirit.net/acegiak one
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tantek if you're going to put a QR code, may I recommend you encode a rickroll URL
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tantek or what is love
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Loqi "baby don't hurt me . . . " ♫ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM https://indiewebcamp.com/love
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GWG If you aren't in business, is your business card a business card?
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[kevinmarks] that was the thinking behind moo cards originally
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GWG KevinMarks: Rickrolling?
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KevinMarks no, cards but not for business
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KevinMarks http://idlewords.com/talks/haunted_by_data.htm
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tantek GWG, no, it's a contact card :)
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KevinMarks they do predate business, they were originally visiting cards
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KevinMarks they were an early friend request protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visiting_card
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kylewm for April 1st, we should do a mf vocabulary based on victorian social protocols
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kylewm rel="courting"
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KartikPrabhu did courting die in Victorian England?
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acegiak pretty sure it evolved into modern dating as women ceased to be property to be won
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tantek kylewm++ that is an excellent suggestion!
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Loqi kylewm has 247 karma
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tantek VXFN
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acegiak now I have to remember where my certificates are stored
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tantek where are certificates stored?
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tantek expects Loqi to know.
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Loqi grins profusely
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acegiak he knows but won't tell us
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acegiak I'll ask dobby
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GWG What is the microformat for matchmaking then?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "microformat for matchmaking then" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103n
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acegiak "inside ethics in my word."
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acegiak robots aren't helpful today
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tantek The microformat for matchmaking is [[XFN]], specifically the values rel=muse and rel=crush.
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tantek Loqi?
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tantek what is Peeple?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Peeple" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103o
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tantek microformat for matchmaking is [[XFN]], specifically the values rel=muse and rel=crush.
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tantek Peeple is a person [[review]] hosting [[silo]] based on phone numbers. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/30/everyone-you-know-will-be-able-to-rate-you-on-the-terrifying-yelp-for-people-whether-you-want-them-to-or-not/ for more.
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loqi.me created /Peeple (+285) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-02/line/1443839187069 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kylewm Peeple is still possibly a hoax?
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kylewm.com edited /Peeple (+97) (view diff)
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kylewm I was tempted to post star reviews of people on my site, but i couldn't think of anyone who would be suitably amused
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KartikPrabhu nope. not amusing. even ironically
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tantek kylewm: if it's a hoax then they've punked WaPo which is quite the mediajam
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tantek what about reviewing addresses? (instead of venues or companies) e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/08/12/the-many-problems-with-sketchfactor-the-new-crime-crowdsourcing-app-that-some-are-calling-racist/
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kylewm tbh I think I put more faith in snopes's journalistic ethics than washington post's...
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KartikPrabhu wapo is absurb sometimes
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acegiak looks like everything on my siteis working properly again now
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GWG Great
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tantek acegiak: cert update?
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tantek !tell kylewm re: "what's the text of this note?" - it is a different problem and will likely require a different algorithm, but perhaps something we can combine with https://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation. Also touches on using "summary" for fallback for "new" post types.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I'm trying to break my plans into smaller projects so I can better pace myself.
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GWG That isn't easy
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tantek GWG, yes, decompisition is challenging!
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tantek I just keep adding things in more detail to my "Working on" and "Itches" until I come back to them and figure out a small piece of something enough to code it.
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GWG I just keep jumping around
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KartikPrabhu that's why an itch list is good. Keeps focus
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Also could be my projects need to be evenly maintained
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KartikPrabhu iterate incrementally is a good approach for complex projects
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kylewm tantek: ok
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 14 minutes ago: re: "what's the text of this note?" - it is a different problem and will likely require a different algorithm, but perhaps something we can combine with https://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation. Also touches on using "summary" for fallback for "new" post types. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-02/line/1443843879319
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Kongaloosh Morning.
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acegiak Morning!
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acegiak You know what would be great? If video files had id3 tags
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acegiak I want to automatically scrobble what I'm watching to my blog
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acegiak Which I could theoretically do for YouTube
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acegiak But I can't think of a way to get watch data from vlc and get meaningful data at the end in the form of like. Show/season/episode
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acegiak Also I definitely need to work out a way to let people subscribed to me not have to deal with all my scribbles
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acegiak s/crib/crib/
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Loqi acegiak meant to say: Also I definitely need to work out a way to let people subscribed to me not have to deal with all my scribbles
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acegiak Oh my god android would you fuck off with your autocorrect?
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voxpelli An indie reader could ignore it by letting the reader mute certain post types globally or per source
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acegiak Voxpelli: that's my current assumption
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acegiak I would add that to WhisperFollow but I haven't had a problem yet
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acegiak Ooh maybe I can use trakt.TV the same way I use last.fm as an intermediary scribbling service
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voxpelli acegiak: one nice thing with last.fm is that they support Musicbrainz ID:s so one can identify songs through unique identifiers – no such thing for movies I thing :( (Or perhaps IMDB? But that's not very open)
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voxpelli that also means one can add a scrobble through audio fingerprinting as long as one can identify the muscibrainz ID
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acegiak That's why I want to offload the tracking to trakt.TV
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acegiak Or I could try using the guessit python package
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acegiak Except trakt doesn't do YouTube so I'll still have to grab that myself
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voxpelli they seems to use IMDB and similar for unique id:s
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voxpelli acegiak: feels like YouTube and such is more like Twitter and requires importing directly – the video there is more like a tweet than like a standalone movie
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voxpelli so yeah, importing from there sounds like a good idea rather than trying to scrobble it
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acegiak Voxpelli: there's a bunch of YouTube series I watch LIKE TV so I want to log it the same way on my site
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voxpelli acegiak: yeah, totally, like a PESOS of YouTube's history
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acegiak Yeah
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acegiak Think I'm gonna be using YouTube's URLs for its stuff and imdb for other stuff
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voxpelli sounds like a good idea
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voxpelli seems like there's http://www.omdbapi.com/ and https://www.themoviedb.org/ – one totally free and another somewhat free
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voxpelli some even more stuff here: http://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/589/is-there-an-open-movie-and-or-music-database-available-for-commercial-use
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voxpelli sorry for geeking out about movie identifiers, been on my mind since I integrated MusicBrainz into Flattr, really wanted to find a way to integrate movies, TV-shows and books as well
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acegiak Yeah no its cool. Im keen to work out answers
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acegiak I'm using videogamegeek.com and boardgamegeek.com for logging games played
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[kevinmarks] Plex does some kind of lookup on video files to map to series
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aaronpk i think it's all done by filename
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieArchive (+791) "/* Storage */ add versioning example" (view diff)
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aaronpk kylewm: you de-duplicate syndicated versions of webmentions right?
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aaronpk man oh man site rebuilds are a lot of work
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tantek especially when they have a lot of functionality to begin with!
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kylewm aaronpk: I do, lightly
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GWG aaronpk, how is that going?
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aaronpk GWG: i'm working on re-doing my webmention handling/display/storage
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GWG aaronpk: Please continue to talk about it. I need the inspiration.
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aaronpk right now i'm leaning towards keeping a cleaned-up version of all responses in a database table so I can query it easily when displaying posts, and archiving the full HTML somewhere according to this scheme http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieArchive#Storage
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aaronpk also pretty sure i'm going to let webmention.io be responsible for actually handling the webmentions, and just not have any of the webmention parsing code in my site
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tantek indiearchive++ !
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Loqi indiearchive has 1 karma
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tantek IndieArchive is basically one of the key building blocks for a pragmatic solution to Brewster's distributed web proposal / blog post.
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tantek this post: http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/
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tantek specifically, Indiearchive solves "This time the Web should have a memory." requirement he puts forth
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tantek awesome aaronpk: "Parecki built a Slack room that showed only attendees’ tweets from the festival. Just to underline that — Parecki rebuilt Twitter inside of Slack using only tweets from attendees. And it worked flawlessly." https://www.theverge.com/2015/9/18/9349425/slack-future-of-conferences-xoxo-festival - clearly list * hashtag is a useful /reader feature!
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aaronpk true!
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tantek aaronpk - is there some way of capturing that on the /reader page with the example of what you built for XOXO Slack?
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tantek clearly it struck a chord with lots of people (and pressworthy!)
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aaronpk hm there isn't a "features" section
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tantek aaronpk: perhaps either "Brainstorming"
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tantek or Silo Examples / Slack / ...
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tantek also - found that quote from this tweet for reference: https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/645417965823721472
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@GlennF “Parecki rebuilt Twitter inside of Slack using only tweets from attendees” https://www.theverge.com/2015/9/18/9349425/slack-future-of-conferences-xoxo-festival (twitter.com/_/status/645417965823721472)
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aaronpk maybe brainstorming. it's not really unique to slack
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tantek agreed
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/645418711705255936
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@GlennF @craigmod Twitter list cross with hashtag. I also think you should be able to curate hashtags by invitation only. (twitter.com/_/status/645418711705255936)
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tantek however capturing the real world Slack example is a good proof of concept and citation of popularity / user demand
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek which is important for prioritizing brainstorming features
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aaronparecki.com edited /reader (+525) "/* Brainstorming */ list*hashtag" (view diff)
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