#indieweb

2015-10-05

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@malcolmblaney
microformats support in SimplePie for #indieweb readers (https://unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-05-microformats_support_in_SimplePie_for_indieweb_readers) (twtr.io/14aV1X4xSts)
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-05-microformats_support_in_SimplePie_for_indieweb_readers http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-05-microformats_support_in_SimplePie_for_indieweb_readers
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Kongaloosh
!tell tbrb I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Kongaloosh
!tell tbrb I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don't know what it's like late, but it's a cafe in the eveneing. I suspect it turns into a live music venue, but it may be an okay place to try and see if it works for HWC
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tbrb
Kongaloosh: Oh cool - Reckon we should try that for tomorrow or should we wait for next week?
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Loqi
tbrb: Kongaloosh left you a message 26 minutes ago: I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444036541199
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Loqi
tbrb: Kongaloosh left you a message 25 minutes ago: I found a neat-o place by bedlam called checkpoint. It's open until 3:00 A.M. I don't know what it's like late, but it's a cafe in the eveneing. I suspect it turns into a live music venue, but it may be an okay place to try and see if it works for HWC http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444036616783
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Kongaloosh
shrugs
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Kongaloosh
it seemed cool
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Kongaloosh
and I saw people with laptops, so....
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Kongaloosh
wifi?
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tbrb
fair, might be worth a look in at least
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Kongaloosh
yeah, I'm down for bar50, but this place may be more comfortable. Not sure.
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harryreeder.co.uk
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harryreeder.co.uk
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tbrb
Done the things I forgot to do last week
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@ThatEmil
Homebrew Website Club, tomorrow @ inuse Malmö, 17.30! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club (twtr.io/14b8E9GgNuw)
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@voxpelli
In Malmö tomorrow? Website bulilder? Then join up at 17.30 for the second Homebrew Website Club at @inUse_swe: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-06-homebrew-website-club (twtr.io/14b8WEsmd4o)
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voxpelli
The Malmö team doing PR well in advance – 25 hours before the meetup, we're well prepared!
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aaronpk
woohoo new post on indienews!
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notizblog.org
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aaronpk
thinking about making the <title> tag and p-name for my notes be the first 5-7 words
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gRegorLove
Morning, indiewebcamp
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aaronpk
good morning
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tommorris
mf2py just went 1.0.0 - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mf2py/1.0.0 :)
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kylewm
tommorris++
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Loqi
tommorris has 88 karma
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kylewm
aaronpk: I think setting the p-name that way (as a prefix of the content) is interesting, has anyone else tried it?
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aaronpk
not sure
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kylewm
I'll have to remove my objection on https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery#%20I%20can%27t%20think%20of%20anyone%20who%20gives%20their%20notes%20an%20explicit%20title if you do ;)
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aaronpk
I just saw one of my twitter cards expand in a Slack channel and it basically filled the whole window because it showed the full name and content which were identical
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aaronpk
then I realized I had the entire note text in the <title> tag
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aaronpk
with linebreaks and everything
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kylewm
haha, like kevin's screenshot of mousing over the tab title of one of tantek's long notes
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Loqi
hehe
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kylewm
http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/i-can-read-ts-whole-post-in-chrome-hover-text
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Zegnat
aaronpk, I think Tantek is known for doing that too. It breaks almost every RSS reader I use
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aaronpk
i mean there is something to be said for clients handling the case of really long titles better
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Zegnat
At least when titles and content match. Then again, there are loads of edge cases. Clients have to do fuzzy matching in case the title includes all text but no special HTML elements like VIDEO. Not as straight forward as it could be.
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aaronpk
i mean there is nothing stopping regular RSS feeds from including really long titles too
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kylewm
!tell tantek don't forget to send out invitations to 10/7 Homebrew!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm.com
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Zegnat
Sure, but people are more than likely to put “title”-content into the title. IndieWeb Notes on the other hand do not have titles by design and then chose to set content as the title. I am not sure this is a problem with feeds or with the current IndieWeb implementations
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aaronpk
it's definitely a limitation of RSS/Atom feeds
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kylewm
required elements anti-pattern!
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Zegnat
kylewm: title element is not require by RSS 2.0. The only requirement is that “at least one of title or description must be present”. Which is not a problem.
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tommorris
yep, RSS 2.0 doesn't require it and in Atom, you can use an empty string. <atom:title></atom:title> is perfectly fine iirc.
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aaronpk
in practice, nearly every RSS/Atom reader expects it tho
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Zegnat
I am not sure about the status of readers on that, might be worth looking into. I believe Feedbin handles items without titles just fine.
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: Have you had a chance to try https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/71 to confirm it's working now?
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gRegorLove
(Or any other php-mf2 users)
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aaronpk
i have not yet
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jkphl.is
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KevinMarks
atom carefully defenes title/summary/content to give a 3 level expansion, but RSS doesn't distinguish
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jkphl.is
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tantek
!tell GWG re: "so many WordPress sites hadn't misused hfeed" would be great to document precisely what went wrong (what do you mean by "misused"?), and a few specific real world examples thereof (could you provide URLs to sites, themes that demonstrate the misuse?), so we can investigate and hopefully prevent a similar problem with mf2 h-feed.
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Loqi
tantek: kylewm left you a message 1 hour, 32 minutes ago: don't forget to send out invitations to 10/7 Homebrew! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444064475121
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
kylewm++ thanks for setting up the events! will do with sending out invitations today.
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Loqi
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tantek
!tell voxpelli do you think HWC Malmö on Tuesdays will be a regular thing? every Tue or every other?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
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voxpelli
tantek: every fourth perhaps, unsure, we're still trying to figure things out
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Loqi
voxpelli: tantek left you a message 10 minutes ago: do you think HWC Malmö on Tuesdays will be a regular thing? every Tue or every other? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444071072135
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voxpelli
depends on how many people comes and what they feel
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tantek
great, no problem. but Tuesdays instead of Wednesdays? just trying to capture patterns to set expectations.
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tantek
!tell GWG what do you think are the chances of planning an IWC NYC 2015 between now and the end of the year?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli
tantek: yeah, our venue didn't work out on Wednesdays so we thought we would sync up with Edinburgh instead
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tantek
voxpelli: makes sense! glad you're able to sync-up
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tantek
similarly, is Edinburgh for sure switching to Tuesdays too?
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voxpelli
sounds like it
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tantek.com
edited /2015/planning (-33) "update dates, focus possibilities, sort all future potential IWC by potential date to see about overlap" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+2) "no one has stepped for DC, dropping from 2015. Add MIT since sandro and rhiaro have hinted at possibility of making one happen in the fall" (view diff)
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tantek.com
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jkphl.is
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tantek
!tell ben_thatmustbeme,rhiaro do you want to or are even partially interested in helping organize an IWC MIT in November (maybe 11/14-15?) Please -1/0/+1 comment on: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning#Planning
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jkphl.is
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tantek.com
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tantek
I just found an example NYT (mobile) with incomplete FB /OGP markup (no image), yet includes much more /Twitter_card markup e.g. meta property="twitter:image" cc: GWG http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/well/2015/10/01/ask-well-a-long-walk-or-a-short-stair-climb/
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tantek
I'm definitely getting pretty tired of how many sites even home pages are js;dr these days - and am thinking of creating proper parseable HTML+CSS proxies for them - on my own domain
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tantek
Recent examples include restaurant sites, it's as if they learned nothing from the failures of their previous generation of Flash-only restaurant sites
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tantek
perhaps that is the itch that is going to make me scratch it with indie /venue pages
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tantek
wondering if this is a use-case for anyone else?
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tantek
most recent js;dr venue home page example: http://www.themillsf.com/
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aaronpk
don't blame the restaurants, blame the people that make the tools that make restaurant websites and the agencies that do the consulting gigs for restaurant sites
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tantek
I blame the restaurants because they are the ones *paying* for it (thus *voting* for it)
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aaronpk
clicking those little nav buttons don't even take you to the right spot ugh
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tantek
if my extended hypotheses about js;dr are correct, I (or any of us) should be able to out-search-engine-game the restaurant's own home pages with my own venue pages for them
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aaronpk
ultimately the restaurant owner shouldn't have to know about the underlying technology. they should be complaining to the people they are paying that the site "doesn't work", for some value of "doesn't work" that is a result of js;dr
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tantek
right, they were too clueless to know to complain that flash-only didn't work for many customers, so expectedly, they're too clueless to know to complain that js;dr doesn't work for many customers.
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KevinMarks
also, google want them to make google local pages for themselves
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tantek
what is Google Local?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Local" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103v
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aaronpk
it will be fixed when there are visible reasons that js;dr sites are worse
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aaronpk
"clueless" isn't really an actionable criticism
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tantek
I'm even thinking of encoding a teaching experience into the indie venue page - that is, e.g. on my page for The Mill, I would still include a link to their own home page, however with caveats like WARNING: Unreadable on some browsers due to Javascript. See js;dr for more.
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tantek
aaronpk agreed hence the teaching experience thoughts (simultaneous typing :) )
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tantek
I believe we can outgame all js;dr sites
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tantek
with our own versions
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@jkphl
Join the 1st @indiewebcamp in #Nuremberg @tollwerk, April 16th - 17th, during @nueww 2016 — register now! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #indieweb (twtr.io/14bcD0mLE94)
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tantek
eventually *someone* at the restaurants etc. will notice hey why are all these sites higher ranked than our own?
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aaronpk
i agree!
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tantek
and at that point, if we all (or even some/most of us) explain on our indie venue pages WHY our pages are well ranked (and why the restaurants' own sites are not), some of them may learn and pass on the requests (with handy citations from us :) )
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tantek
wondering if I should add this to /venue#Why
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tantek
as in why make your own indie venue pages
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tantek
hah - perhaps this will be a good *start* to /venue#Why :) - feel free anyone - I'm out to lunch for a bit
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@fabiantiedemann
RT @voxpelli: Satte ihop en snabb översikt igår över IndieWeb-rörelsen och den oberoende sociala webben (och nämner Twitter/Jaiku): http://… (twtr.io/14bcV6hofY2)
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gRegorLove
What is Google Places?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Places" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103w
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gRegorLove
Is that the same as Google Local?
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gRegorLove
Tangent: I've had a friend tell me he would love an app or website that lets you easily view a restaurants menu and keep track of what you've tried there. I've thought about doing it as a web app, although not very seriously. Getting the menu information in initially is the hardest part.
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@mschottenhammer
RT @jkphl: Join the 1st @indiewebcamp in #Nuremberg @tollwerk, April 16th - 17th, during @nueww 2016 — register now! https://t.co/LbidVbKDk… (twtr.io/14bcvBMkTk4)
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aaronpk
omfg speaking of js;dr http://www.openswitch.net/
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gRegorLove
Thought about scraping menupages.com. They use vcard for the address, but no other mf. e.g. http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/1vizio/menu
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[kevinmarks]
apparently they're now 'google my business'
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gRegorLove
Another year, another name. :)
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[kevinmarks]
https://www.google.com/business/
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gRegorLove
There's still a 'Places' API https://developers.google.com/places/
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[kevinmarks]
right. which now doesn't create a page, but a sidebar on search
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@nueww
RT @jkphl: Join the 1st @indiewebcamp in #Nuremberg @tollwerk, April 16th - 17th, during @nueww 2016 — register now! https://t.co/LbidVbKDk… (twtr.io/14bdTkZuqf0)
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ben_thatmustbeme
hey tantek
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 42 minutes ago: do you want to or are even partially interested in helping organize an IWC MIT in November (maybe 11/14-15?) Please -1/0/+1 comment on: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning#Planning http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444073251819
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ben_thatmustbeme
thank you loqi
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Loqi
woot!
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ben_thatmustbeme
my problem with weekend ones is that MBTA doesn't run until almost noon on sundays
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/MBTA/MBTA Commuter Rail/
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: my problem with weekend ones is that MBTA Commuter Rail doesn't run until almost noon on sundays
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tantek
what is js;dr?
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Loqi
js;dr is JavaScript required; Didn’t Read https://indiewebcamp.com/js;dr
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tantek
aaronpk: feel free to expand that "omfg speaking of" with particulars here: https://indiewebcamp.com/js;dr#Open_Switch
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aaronpk
ha cool
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, tantek, regarding IWC for november
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ben_thatmustbeme
I did meet someone from the area at a tech conf who was very interested in helping organize one
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ben_thatmustbeme
she used to do indie web dev way back, and had her own "newbieconf" which never took off due to confusion over what exactly it was for
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@aviationsteve
RT @jkphl: Join the 1st @indiewebcamp in #Nuremberg @tollwerk, April 16th - 17th, during @nueww 2016 — register now! https://t.co/LbidVbKDk… (twtr.io/14bjAaWXHBV)
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GWG
Just passing through, but still no word from anyone with a venue, zachdonovan is still missing. Might throw ny weight behind another Northeast location if we have any interest
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Loqi
GWG: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 39 minutes ago: re: "so many WordPress sites hadn't misused hfeed" would be great to document precisely what went wrong (what do you mean by "misused"?), and a few specific real world examples thereof (could you provide URLs to sites, themes that demonstrate the misuse?), so we can investigate and hopefully prevent a similar problem with mf2 h-feed. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444070009830
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Loqi
GWG: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 10 minutes ago: what do you think are the chances of planning an IWC NYC 2015 between now and the end of the year? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444071775443
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tantek
rhiaro: that's good timing for IWC MIT right before Social Web f2f (modulo Thanksgiving in the middle)
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KevinMarks_
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/im-on-twitter-too turning off comments because emails are better?
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rhiaro.co.uk
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aaronpk
well that's one way to curate comments "Once a week or thereabouts we'll publish a digest of the most insightful letters we get."
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aaronpk
call them "letters" and maybe people will be more thoughtful when writing emails?
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kylewm
yeah that's strange logic. comments are bad because we don't moderate them, so we'll moderate emails instead
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Loqi
[mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/reader https://webmention.io/notification/O3FaO7hgcpcrHBV4Sumn8Q
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mblaney
!tell aaronpk what's the benefit of the first 5-7 words rather than an empty title? Also, my reader doesn't show a title when it matches the content (it does a tag stripped comparison).
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
too many things expect a title, I'm afraid if I leave it empty it will have worse results
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Loqi
aaronpk: mblaney left you a message 54 seconds ago: what's the benefit of the first 5-7 words rather than an empty title? Also, my reader doesn't show a title when it matches the content (it does a tag stripped comparison). http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-05/line/1444084319457
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mblaney
like how some rss readers show <i>no title</i> instead of literally no title? yes I can understand that.
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aaronpk
i don't even know what google search results would look like with no title
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aaronpk
same with twitter/facebook previews
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tantek
yeah
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kylewm
I like the idea of first few words, I will probably follow your lead if you like it
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tantek
link-preview silo practices
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mblaney
I just did an A/B comparison with two different posts.... google didn't look any different :-)
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tantek
mblaney: I'm curious how you're testing "google". would that be search? or G+? or Gmail? or... ?"
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tantek
mblaney: see also /link-preview for a lot more on this subject
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mblaney
yeah sorry I just meant search.
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@kevinmarks
Js:dr in action #indieweb https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/651164931396468736 (twtr.io/14bsBBjYrm9)
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mblaney
I would be interested to know if it improved silo previews too.
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@IMJACKTG
RT @kevinmarks: Js:dr in action #indieweb https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/651164931396468736 (twtr.io/14bsynJxGo0)
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tantek.com
edited /js;dr (+229) "/* Web Content Examples */ Huffington Post" (view diff)
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@inerdly
RT @kevinmarks: Js:dr in action #indieweb https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/651164931396468736 (twtr.io/14bsz2Fj_R5)
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tantek
KevinMarks: that's js;dr (semicolon) :)
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tantek.com
edited /js;dr (+2) "/* Huffington Post */ note tweet that I found it from" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
Did facebook just get rid of "maybe" from events? #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/651173042207391745/photo/1 (twtr.io/14buyBieQNR)
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Loqi
[mention] Arezu Aghasey RSVPd yes to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-07-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/-Pnxu5tLC6tqMHxW7cmbvg
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Loqi
[mention] Rohit Khare, Liza Sperling, Pascale Diaine, Ariel Waldman, Erin Jo Richey, Sarah Dopp, Ben Ward, and Faruk AteÅŸ were invited to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-07-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/D36X-tHEZYBzPWsZv0ZWpA
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Loqi
[mention] Leah Culver, Joseph Smarr, Chris Messina, Monica Wilkinson, Jason Shellen, Daniel Burka, Elisa Jo Harkness, Lonnie Rae, Matt Mullenweg, Katarzyna Babula, Deb Schultz, Katie Johnson, Yoz Grahame, Matt Biddulph, Eddie Codel, Edward O'Connor, Sabrina Bruning, Natalie Downe, Simon Willison, and Will Norris were invited to https://webmention.io/notification/ChkciR98kBBld42eZChhjQ
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@kylewmahan
big thing missing from my #indieweb experience is being able to see other people’s comments before replying. tough problem to solve. (twtr.io/14bzgdY7LtL)
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@aaronpk
@kylewmahan I usually click through a couple levels up looking to see if any of the URLs up the chain show comments #indieweb (twtr.io/14bzw77K7EA)
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tantek
kylewm: do you mean your indieweb *reader* experience?
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kylewm
tantek: yes
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tantek
perhaps /reader#Brainstorming "(n) comments" indicator?
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aaronpk
aha
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tantek
just like /likes and /reposts
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tantek
so that's the use-case for marking those up
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Loqi
[mention] Dan Gailey was invited to https://webmention.io/notification/rz49iQXB-wI0r9y3uyVu5A
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tantek
so a /reader can read not just the h-entry content etc but its summary of comments/likes/reposts on the entry!
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kylewm
that would be nice UX; it's tough plumbing wise
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kylewm
i don't want to poll every permalink to see if it has new comments
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aaronpk
that's what salmentions are for right?
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kylewm
and i don't really want to subscribe to PuSH feed for every permalink either
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tantek
kylewm - hence brainstorming
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kylewm
aaronpk: salmentions wouldn't notify a reader of new comments?
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tantek
wanted to try to capture your UX need
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kylewm
OK
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tantek
even if we don't have a solution yet - which is ok
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tantek
e.g. it might be to repoll / refresh only when user clicks to expand the "(n) comments" summary
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kylewm
that's a fair point, I think that's sort of what Twitter does
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tantek
right
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tantek
I think once we capture the need, and maybe even start building, some easy / shortcut solutions will reveal themselves
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tantek
E.g. the publisher could send a PuSH update for every new comment too (or once a day for new comments etc.)
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tantek
some combination of publisher work and/or reader work could make this reliable enough
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tantek
doesn't seem insurmountable ;)
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aaronpk
technical challenges that have a clear UX need and outline are fun to solve :)
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KevinMarks
hm, snarfed just removed the comment counts from the facebook-atom conversion becasue they were making the posts look like new ones
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tantek
that's because the atom consumers couldn't tell?
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aaronpk
sounds like an atom consumer limitation
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KevinMarks
they were changing the content, so seen as new
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aaronpk
with microformats2, the content wouldn't be changing since the responses are separate properties
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tantek
exactly
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tantek
this is an atom problem
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tantek
er, limitation
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KevinMarks
well, you can add other properties to atom too; embedding mf int he content may have the same issue
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kylewm.com
edited /reader (+698) "/* In-stream comments and likes */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu
push notifications can do the trick
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KartikPrabhu
a polling reader might be harder
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tantek.com
edited /negative_reasoning (+158) "narrow typical dfn to both negation conditional and negation result, note one or the other not as bad, separate examples accordingly" (view diff)
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kylewm
really not looking forward to even thinking about how to handle updating likes/comments for the feeds that are proxied through granary-demo
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tantek
heh
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kylewm.com
edited /reader (+97) "/* In-stream comments and likes */ question about feeds created by a proxy" (view diff)
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kylewm
same problem voxpelli had with salmentions -- how do i get the "representative url" for a bridgy comment/like, and no thte silo url
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loqi.me
created /QR_codes (+436) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me
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loqi.me
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tantek.com
edited /QR_codes (+51) "linky" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com
edited /QR_codes (+130) "criticism" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /QR_codes (+82) (view diff)
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acegiak
morning, all
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@kevinmarks
Static website #indieweb https://twitter.com/baconmeteor/status/651213484789633024 (twtr.io/14cC6P_UWnW)
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: Static website #indieweb https://twitter.com/baconmeteor/status/651213484789633024 (twtr.io/14cCM5yWAuy)
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@LMarsanico
RT @kevinmarks: Static website #indieweb https://twitter.com/baconmeteor/status/651213484789633024 (twtr.io/14cCQyyrxN9)
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@klickreflex
Are the any #indieweb approaches to have our own Instagram? (twtr.io/14cYWH50S5s)
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@kevinmarks
@klickreflex which bit of instagram? http://ownyourgram.com will post to your site; http://pestagram.com make it #indieweb friendly (twtr.io/14cZDy1cZHs)
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@kevinmarks
@klickreflex https://withknown.com/ enables posting photos and http://reader.kylewm.com views feeds and posts comments so #indieweb pieces (twtr.io/14catM3hRGo)
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