#indiewebcamp 2015-10-09

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tantek.com edited /2015/SF (+1027) "archive date deciding from /Planning, note date is for sure" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF (+22) "organizers" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning () "(-793) move 2015 SF planning discussion to 2015/SF, note 2015/SF is being planned!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-3) "next IWC SF - unless someone plans one elsewhere (e.g. MIT?) in November!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-iwc (-6) "SF" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson_ Oh. AMP is in the Wall Street Journal. Didn't realise it had gone mainstream
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aaronpk yeah they launched with it live on a bunch of news sites
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tantek ShaneHudson_: mainstream publications understand how to get press :P
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ShaneHudson_ Heh yeah
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tantek.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+0) "fix 10-06 link. DRY vio err obv" (view diff)
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tantek !tell voxpelli is Malmö on for next Tuesday https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-13-homebrew-website-club ?
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KartikPrabhu one way is to change your logo and write a long post about it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell tbrb is HWC Edinburgh on for next Tuesday https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-13-homebrew-website-club ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek ShaneHudson_: note: news sites writing about news sites is usually something quite ignorable. AKA meta-news.
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "/events/2015-10-21-homebrew-website-club until Edinburgh and/or Malmö speak up about 2015-10-13 or 2015-10-20" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson_ tantek: That is very true
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ShaneHudson_ Ugh I wish Wordpress would allow SVG by default. My client is using Rainmaker (a limited version of Wordpress) so all icons are going to have to be PNG as it doesn't give me enough control.
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ShaneHudson_ It's a security concern apparently
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tantek alright everyone IndieWebCamp SF 2015 is a go for 2015-12-03 - we need your help to make it happen! co-organizers, sponsors, and volunteers! Even just help with creating wiki pages for it and fleshing out https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF ! (see https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF for a template of what to copy over - but be sure to PRESERVE /2015/SF existing content)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+17) "date next WIC" (view diff)
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@JamoneK RT @lackaff: .@Medium launches Publishing API: automatically publish from personal sites and blogs to Medium #indieweb https://t.co/ZSEmCdu… (twitter.com/_/status/652276569323520000)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-16) "too wide, rm date" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson_ The downside of being self employed... IWC and WG F2F, if I worked for anyone with budget I would be able to pursuade them hah.
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+129) "general future planning of camps, see specific camps' home pages for their planning pages, link to where 2015/SF/Planning should go" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /how-to-sponsor (-21) "/* Payment / Contact Information */ update sponsor info" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk,kevinmarks,bear,KartikPrabhu,nissyen,gRegorLove since you had suggestions in IRC for improving how our IWC planning pages were organized, what do you think of /Planning for general cross-camp planning, and /YYYY/City/Planning for planning specific to each city?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove I don't have a strong opinion, so that sounds good
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 49 seconds ago: since you had suggestions in IRC for improving how our IWC planning pages were organized, what do you think of /Planning for general cross-camp planning, and /YYYY/City/Planning for planning specific to each city? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444350137817
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KartikPrabhu sgtm
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 57 seconds ago: since you had suggestions in IRC for improving how our IWC planning pages were organized, what do you think of /Planning for general cross-camp planning, and /YYYY/City/Planning for planning specific to each city? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444350137817
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bear reads
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Loqi bear: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: since you had suggestions in IRC for improving how our IWC planning pages were organized, what do you think of /Planning for general cross-camp planning, and /YYYY/City/Planning for planning specific to each city? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444350137817
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bear I like the idea of Planning to be a meta info page on how to plan/prepare the different events
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/SF (+42) "add sponsor" (view diff)
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tantek bear - it's semi-meta - that is, it's still for concrete decision-making for dates for cities coordinating with other cities to either avoid overlap, or synchronizing
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bear the /YYYY/City/* pattern is nice because it could be Planning, Info, Notes, ...
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tantek and a pre-existing pattern
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ShaneHudson_ I agree, makes it easy to add new pages
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ShaneHudson_ And to find old ones
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bear then maybe also have a HowToPlan page
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aaronpk we use /YYYY/City/* for other things already too
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 3 minutes ago: since you had suggestions in IRC for improving how our IWC planning pages were organized, what do you think of /Planning for general cross-camp planning, and /YYYY/City/Planning for planning specific to each city? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444350137817
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gRegorLove Avoids confusion of /YYYY and /YYYY/ if each IWC has an explicit /City
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tantek except we keep /YYYY for the *main* annual indiewebcamp
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aaronpk only reason the PDX one doesn't have a city on it is because there used to be only one
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gRegorLove hm
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ShaneHudson_ Not for listing the cities?
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gRegorLove /2015/ appears to be a double redirect
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tantek will fix
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tantek since a / distinction is too subtle, just redir it to 2015
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tantek.com edited /2015/ (-9) "since a / distinction is too subtle, just redir it to 2015" (view diff)
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tantek done
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+32) "linked 2016 for next year's main camp" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF (+19) "camps" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+0) "SF is a go" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove: think you might be able to make it out to IWC SF?
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tantek kylewm++ for already creating the indie event and FB posse copy for 2015-10-21 HWC SF!
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Loqi kylewm has 250 karma
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tantek !tell kylewm could you create an indie event and FB POSSE copy for http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF ? Thanks!!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove tantek: Not very likely, but we'll see.
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ShaneHudson_ By the way, I run a monthly meetup with short talks. If any of you happen to be near Chichester in England at any point and want to give a talk, give me a shout :)
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GWG ShaneHudson_: Where is Chichester?
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ShaneHudson_ South coast, about an hour train journey west of Brighton. 1.75 hour train south of London
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GWG ShaneHudson_: I don't have plans to be there,much as I enjoyed my only trip to the UK
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GWG Wait, if you count Belfast, that would be two trips
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ShaneHudson_ Heh :) it's not very well known but has a pretty great web community, Dan Edwards and Mike Kus both live there (tend to be fairly big names these days).
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ShaneHudson_ Nice, never been to Ireland. Really want to though!
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GWG Of course, if you eliminate Belfast due the hurricane..
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GWG ShaneHudson_: Belfast is in Northern Ireland. Not Ireland
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GWG ShaneHudson_: But go. Ireland is nice.
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ShaneHudson_ First meetup was last month, had Remy Sharp who gave a brilliant talk about the bad ways people have treated js bin
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ShaneHudson_ GWG: Of course, haven't been to either :)
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GWG I am still hoping for an IWC I can attend
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tantek GWG - perhaps help make an IWC happen that you can attend?
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GWG tantek: I need a partner in crime.
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GWG I don't feel I can take this on solo.
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ShaneHudson_ Where would it be
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GWG ShaneHudson_: I'm from NYC. So Northeastern U.S. I could probably handle. Maybe a few other locations, if a stretch
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ShaneHudson_ I imagine you could get quite a few people in NYC!
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GWG ShaneHudson_: I know no one.
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tantek GWG - you need to indicate interest in helping co-organize! (and note your caveat) https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning
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ShaneHudson_ Can't make it there myself but there are certainly a lot of people that could I'm sure
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GWG But I am going to Wordcamp NYC at the end of the month. I need to figure out how to get interest from strangers there
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ShaneHudson_ Yeah good idea
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GWG tantek: I'm positive I put my interest and caveat somewhere in the wiki
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ShaneHudson_ Are you able to do some kind of lightning talk about indieweb on wordpress?
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tantek put down specific +1/0/-1 interests in co-organizing for specific dates/cities
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GWG ShaneHudson_: I think I'd have had to apply to be a speaker.
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GWG tantek: Anything going on the week of November 9th? I postponed my vacation
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GWG Basically, I would try to go anywhere with an IWC I could get to from the 6th to the 14th.
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tantek GWG add that to /Planning accordingly!
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GWG I was hoping maybe rhiaro might try something once she gets settled in. She seems good at recruitment.
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tantek gotta capture such things in a place where other planners can find them (rather than just IRC logs)
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fiatjaf is it interesting for brid.gy to support publishing to medium.com?
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mblaney !tell GWG I think I missed what you were saying the other day.... If I'm only looking for h-entry's as top level items then I'll miss them when someone uses an h-feed, correct?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG mblaney: That is my concern
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Loqi GWG: mblaney left you a message 1 minute ago: I think I missed what you were saying the other day.... If I'm only looking for h-entry's as top level items then I'll miss them when someone uses an h-feed, correct? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444358366758
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mblaney took me a while but I got there eventually ;-)
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GWG Me too
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mblaney I'll update the code I shared with you, but don't know of too many cases to test it on as many people don
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mblaney ... don't use an h-feed.
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GWG mblaney: Try WordPress sites
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mblaney ok thanks
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mblaney in other microformats realizations, my use of p-author has been a bit lacking. ie just publishing and consuming plain text.
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mblaney I'm in the process of "upgrading" my use of it to include h-card on all posts and looking for it when receiving replies.
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ben_thatmustbeme I have a growing itch to work on some sort of multi user site
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ben_thatmustbeme Possibly forking the ossn project and try to make it fully indieweb friendly
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mblaney ben_thatmustbeme I have a multi user project you could work on :-D
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ben_thatmustbeme mblaney: what is it?
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mblaney it's called dobrado (see dobrado.net)
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mblaney it's gone from zero indieweb support about a month ago to an indie mark of around level 4 now...
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mblaney actually I was thinking of asking for some feedback about adding it to the /projects page at some point, though I know the barrier should be high for that.
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mblaney but I am happy to help people set it up.
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ben_thatmustbeme Hey if it's your personal project id say go for it
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ben_thatmustbeme What is dobrado?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dobrado" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104V
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mblaney dobrado is a Content Management System created by Malcolm Blaney
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loqi.me created /dobrado (+91) "prompted by ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444362187339 and dfn added by mblaney" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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mblaney maybe I should start with thay :-)
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mblaney /thay/that
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mblaney s/thay/that
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Loqi mblaney meant to say: /that/that
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mblaney thanks Loqi, appreciated.
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Loqi you're welcome
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mblaney what is dobrado
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Loqi dobrado is a multi user content management system that supports many indieweb features https://indiewebcamp.com/dobrado
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@benwerd Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla SF, Ocotber 7 2015 #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/652338171066187776/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/652338171066187776)
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acegiak GWG, you around?
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GWG Sort of
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GWG What's up?
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acegiak I think iframe has dropped out of my kses ok list so I went to add it back in but the kses ok list isn't in options screen anymore?
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GWG I didn't take it out.
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GWG Click Disable Content Protection in settings and save.
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GWG I've been working on mf2 parsing to get Metadata.
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GWG If
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tantek GWG++ for mf2 parsing to get Metadata
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Loqi GWG has 123 karma
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GWG an h-feed doesn't have an explicit p-name, parsers generate one. How do I only get explicit and not implied properties?
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tantek start with the presentational problem you're trying to solve and work backwards from there
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GWG tantek: Trying to extract a title for a page and need to develop an algorithm
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unicyclic.com mal created /Template:mblaney (+160) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|https://unicyclic.com/mal/public/profile_small.png}}[[User:Unicyclic.com_mal|Malcolm Blaney" target="_blank">User:Unicyclic.com_mal|Malcolm" target="_blank">https://unicyclic.com/mal/public/profile_small.png}}[[User:Unicyclic.com_mal|Malcolm Blaney]]</span>"" (view diff)
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tantek mblaney++ for Dobrado!
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Loqi mblaney has 6 karma
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Can I steal the Persona login graphic you're using on indieauth.com? https://indieauth.com/img/email_sign_in_blue.png
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tantek and now I'm trying to workout how to do a manual "repost" from an indie site to a silo
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gRegorLove !tell aaronpk Can I steal the Persona login graphic you're using on indieauth.com? https://indieauth.com/img/email_sign_in_blue.png
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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mblaney thanks tantek
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mblaney would be happy to get some feedback about what other information would be useful on a project page.
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tantek !tell benwerd how do you fix the typo in the name of this post ("Ocotber [sic]") while keeping the permalink working? http://werd.io/2015/homebrew-website-club-at-mozilla-sf-ocotber-7-2015-indieweb
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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mblaney there's always plenty to write, but harder to prioritize what's important to say
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tantek indeed! consider a "Why" section where you explain why you built your own CMS, and a "Features" section listing what features it currently has
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tantek is hesitant to link to something that has a word in the slug with a typo :/
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tallpaul !lodi tell ShaneHudson_ I documented my books microformats in a post here: http://paulmunday.net/book-microformats.
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tallpaul !loqi tell ShaneHudson_ I documented my books microformats in a post here: http://paulmunday.net/book-microformats.
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Loqi woot!
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tallpaul !tell ShaneHudson_ I documented my books microformats in a post here: http://paulmunday.net/book-microformats.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tallpaul third time lucky
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voxpelli !tell tantek We're aiming for a monthly HWC in Malmö so we won't be doing one for a couple of weeks
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Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 40 minutes ago: is Malmö on for next Tuesday https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-13-homebrew-website-club ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444349498336
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ https://webmention.io/notification/UBFjoC3O5lac23YPWNMOmQ
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Zegnat Good morning indieweb!
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rosetree Hi Zegnat
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Zegnat Wow, http://tantek.com/2015/280/t1/js-dr-amp-not-include-javascript looks messed up in my feed reader
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[kevinmarks] tantek treats feed readers as things to hack
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 53 minutes ago: since you had suggestions in IRC for improving how our IWC planning pages were organized, what do you think of /Planning for general cross-camp planning, and /YYYY/City/Planning for planning specific to each city? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444350137817
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[kevinmarks] !tell tantek you'll like the marco quote here: http://www.kevinmarks.com/ampreaction.html#blocking%20all%203rd%20party%20javascript
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@jordan_web #indieweb https://twitter.com/indie/status/652403017560498176 (twitter.com/_/status/652419745317126144)
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@InramsT Piwik Is An IndieWeb Alternative To Google Analytics - http://www.inramstechnology.com/piwik-is-an-indieweb-alternative-to-google-analytics/ https://twitter.com/InramsT/status/652433346237083648/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/652433346237083648)
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@r0setree @zeitschlag Mir ist mit Kommentaren noch nicht ganz wohl. Wie gefielen dir #Webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/652434509590364160)
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@r0setree @zeitschlag (Oder eben Pingbacks, die zu Webmentions konvertiert werden.) (twitter.com/_/status/652434633502654464)
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@zeitschlag @r0setree Sind Webmentions, dass ich auf meinem Blog in einem Beitrag antworte und du meinen Post dann im Prinzip verlinkst? (twitter.com/_/status/652434828676235264)
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j4y_funabashi Just need to add permalinks to reach IndieMark Level1, Huzzah!
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@zeitschlag @r0setree Ist das das da? -> https://webmention.io (twitter.com/_/status/652455869947478016)
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@r0setree @zeitschlag Lieber @dunkelangst, ich bin gespannt, was du zu unserem Thema (Kommentare mit Webmentions und Pingbacks) zu sagen hast ☺ (twitter.com/_/status/652456042404683776)
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ShaneHudson_ tallpaul: Oh brilliant thanks!
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Loqi ShaneHudson_: tallpaul left you a message 5 hours, 59 minutes ago: I documented my books microformats in a post here: http://paulmunday.net/book-microformats. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444371517929
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tbrb .
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Loqi tbrb: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 39 minutes ago: is HWC Edinburgh on for next Tuesday https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-13-homebrew-website-club ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444349514726
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tbrb Thanks, Loqi
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harryreeder.co.uk created /events/2015-10-13-homebrew-website-club (+2168) "Created page with "<div class="h-event vevent"> = <span class="p-name summary">Homebrew Website Club Meetup</span> = == Details == === When === <span class="dt-start dtstart"><time class="value">..."" (view diff)
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GWG Good morning
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petermolnar hi GWG
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GWG petermolnar: Greetings
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GWG Anything new and Indieweby?
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petermolnar no, not really, although I've been trying to reduce the complexity of my site ( as in post format, tag, category, etc ) and use an algorithmic approach, like the post discovery, to select how a post is displayed
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petermolnar one of my problems is to differentiate between a photo and an image post
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petermolnar photo is what I took and is an actual photo
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petermolnar whereas image is something else, not made by me
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petermolnar so has attached thing and is attached thing an image is not enough
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petermolnar I could get the exif and see if it's made with one of my cameras ( current and previous ones ), but that's a bit tricky
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GWG petermolnar: In Post Kinds I have been looking at implied types.
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GWG petermolnar: But I've never distinguished between photo and image.
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petermolnar we all have our little snowflake issues :)
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GWG I use the featured image feature for photo posts
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j4y_funabashi Huzzah! IndieMark Level 1 complete :) :) :)
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ShaneHudson_ Woo! Congrats j4y_funabashi :)
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j4y_funabashi Cheers ShaneHudson_ feels good to be publishing on the actual (non-silo) internet again. Looking forward to implementing web-mentions/micropub
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ShaneHudson_ Yeah I know that feeling!
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ShaneHudson_ What system are you running it on?
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ShaneHudson_ j4y_funabashi: Some CMSes already have web-mentions and micropub plugins which may help. Also adactio has some really great snippets on github/gist somewhere :)
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j4y_funabashi It is built on Flask (teaching myself python)
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ShaneHudson_ Oh nice! I love flask :)
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ShaneHudson_ My two biggest projects (data visualisation 'web apps') both used flask for the api
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ShaneHudson_ Not sure how many python implementations there are for webmentions and micropub though, so you may need to write your own/port them
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j4y_funabashi Me too! I am coming to python from php, really noticing the difference a well designed language makes
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ShaneHudson_ Absolutely. Though I find Laravel makes PHP almost equally nice
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j4y_funabashi I have the micropub endpoint already built - used Bear's libs (Cheers Bear)
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ShaneHudson_ Ah perfect :)
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ShaneHudson_ what is flask
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Loqi Flask is a minimal Python framework for writing web applications https://indiewebcamp.com/flask
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ShaneHudson_ what is laravel
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Laravel
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ShaneHudson_ Heh the indiewebcamp wiki is definitely getting there as a knowledgebase :)
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j4y_funabashi I have found it so helpful and inspiring
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ShaneHudson_ what is laravel
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Loqi Laravel is a PHP framework https://indiewebcamp.com/Laravel
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ShaneHudson_ That's better :)
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j4y_funabashi https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu
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ShaneHudson_ That looks pretty good!
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j4y_funabashi Think that is the lib I intend to use for mentions
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j4y_funabashi Yeah bear's repo has lots of gems for getting indiweb up and running quickly
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 8 hours, 49 minutes ago: Can I steal the Persona login graphic you're using on indieauth.com? https://indieauth.com/img/email_sign_in_blue.png http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444369606908
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning aaronpk
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j4y_funabashi morning aaronpk
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aaronpk !tell gRegorLove pretty sure I got that from the Persona site, so sure!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar GWG apparently, if I combine the post length and an in_array of my camera models with the exif of the picture I can pretty accurately tell if it's a photo, an image post, a note or an article, and so far that's enought for me
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petermolnar this eliminates the need of hardcoded category/tag/format
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petermolnar and adds hardcoded camera ids and word count length instead, but still sounds better :)
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GWG petermolnar: I figured I would keep the taxonomy I set up, but auto set
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petermolnar that's not a bad idea
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petermolnar kind of an indexing, like in databases
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voxpelli j4y_funabashi: which micropub library are you using?
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bear voxpelli - earlier versions of ronkyuu had a sample flask app that did things like that
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bear now tho I have another that I split things out into just for micropub
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voxpelli bear: I see :) Was thinking it would be interesting to see another micropub-library and see if one could work together on a shareable test suite
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bear voxpelli - would love to see that
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aaronpk did someone say tests?
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voxpelli bear: I'm building micropub libraries for node.js now
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bear I have tests for ronkyuu already - nothing big, but some
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aaronpk we should make a cross-platform test suite if so
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Loqi yea!
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voxpelli aaronpk: yes, kind of like the reverse of the mf2 test suites
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bear the new micropub lib I have is https://github.com/bear/kaku
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j4y_funabashi voxpelli: Just using bear's https://github.com/bear/ninka lib for auth, then rolled my own handling of the POST data
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bear but it's currently broken because I have to get it up to date
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voxpelli bear: "to enable a IndieWeb Micropub endpoint for my static site" – we have the same use case then even! :)
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bear j4y_funabashi - oh cool - I'm glad that is what you did, ninka is very helpful
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bear the handling of the POST data is what I messed up so you picked the write lib :)
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voxpelli I'm building mine around https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express to update my GitHub Pages site
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ShaneHudson_ I am awful at making test suites, something I drastically need to improve. A cross platform one would be very useful for everyone I think
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j4y_funabashi Yeah thanks bear, have learned alot about python/flask from your repo :)
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bear thanks!
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j4y_funabashi Yeah I wanted to save posts as json files + resize photos. Also trying out using the filesystem as a database
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bear IIRC there is a good discussion of the different fs-as-database on the wiki
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bear what is flatfile
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j4y_funabashi yes that is what inspired me to give it a go
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j4y_funabashi also with learning docker+flask+gunicorn+nginx I didnt want another moving piece :)
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j4y_funabashi what is database antipattern
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Loqi The database antipattern is the use of a database for primary long-term storage of posts and other personal content (like on an indieweb site), and is an anti-pattern due to the additional maintenance costs, uninspectability, platform-dependence, and long-term fragility of databases and their storage files, as documented with specific examples below https://indiewebcamp.com/database-antipattern
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bear ah - flask + gunicorn I would love to see documented - the uwsgi method works but it would be cool to see alternatives
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j4y_funabashi ahh the dreaded 'd' word
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bear haha
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Loqi awesome
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ShaneHudson_ what is gunicorn
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/gunicorn
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j4y_funabashi I do intend to write something up - just been hacking away to get it all working
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ShaneHudson_ what is gunicorn
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Loqi Gunicorn 'Green Unicorn' is a Python WSGI HTTP Server for UNIX https://indiewebcamp.com/gunicorn
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ShaneHudson_ There we go. Text in irc always makes it easier to answer the question :)
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j4y_funabashi ShaneHudson_: What did you do to make that happen?
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ShaneHudson_ Setting up WSGI was always the annoying part of using flask for me
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ShaneHudson_ j4y_funabashi: I edited the article and added <dfn>'''the thing'''</dfn> to the first line.
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ShaneHudson_ Also, if Loqi didn't have an answer you can reply with: The thing is a thingy thing. which would also add it
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j4y_funabashi ok cool
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bear yea, even if you just add some simple text and a sample config - that is a perfect start to the documentation
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j4y_funabashi I was perfectly happy using flask's built in app.run() until I read the deployment docs :)
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bear haha - yea
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bear I used uwsgi because I already had one running for another project
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ShaneHudson_ I can't remember what we ended up doing but I remember every new installation took ages extra to fix some issue
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bear my biggest issue was that uwsgi used a different python version than the default system version
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bear well, that and about a dozen other tiny glitches
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bear oops - need to get ready for a morning meeting
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ShaneHudson_ Ah we were using Apache's mod wsgi
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bear nginx
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bear on an older debian system
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GWG petermolnar: I'm trying to figure out what I can do with term meta.
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petermolnar I've been waiting for that for years; now, that it's here, I have no reasons to use it :D
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GWG petermolnar: I haven't figured out how it would be used in my taxonomy
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@Seashell_Studio The logo of our first game "Running Fable" #Perfect #BuenViernes #FridayFeeling #indieweb #indiegame #Indie #Racing https://twitter.com/Seashell_Studio/status/652506924869554176/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/652506924869554176)
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j4y_funabashi petermolnar: what do you mean by term meta?
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petermolnar WordPress has 'meta' things; additional data attached to things like post & user
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petermolnar but it didn't have meta for taxonomy terms
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petermolnar until now
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j4y_funabashi ahh i see, meta meta :)
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petermolnar I wanted to argue with that, but sadly, it's accurate :)
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j4y_funabashi hehe
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GWG I'm just pondering how to take advantage of it in my custom taxonomy.
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GWG Which is the IndieWeb post type of a post.
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petermolnar what is Pelican?
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Loqi Pelican is a Python-based static site generator https://indiewebcamp.com/Pelican
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j4y_funabashi I am thinking of keeping mine to j4y.co/<year>/<month>/<day>/<time>
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Zegnat Sounds fine, j4y_funabashi. https://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design
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j4y_funabashi Indieweb post type would be a nice to have filter as I add more stuff though
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j4y_funabashi ooh cheers Zegnat
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Zegnat There are some examples in there of people with post types in the URL, I think. It is a pretty complete page
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aaronpk i am strongly against post type in the URL, at least post type as any part of the uniqueness of the URL
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aaronpk i'm in the middle of rebuilding my whole site because of that
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petermolnar I second that; I used to have categories in the url ( /photo/, /journal/, etc ) for a decade, but it just makes things complicated
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j4y_funabashi yeah dates are solid, immutable - tags and types are human and flappy
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Zegnat petermolnar, you could add yourself to the list of antis: https://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design#Why_not_content_type_first
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j4y_funabashi reminds me of this series: http://www.drbunsen.org/naming-and-searching-files-part-1/
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j4y_funabashi great 3 part article on longevity and organisation
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gRegorLove Morning, indiewebcamp
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Loqi gRegorLove: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 31 minutes ago: pretty sure I got that from the Persona site, so sure! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-09/line/1444401561453
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gRegorLove Yours is altered from "sign in with persona" to "sign in with your email." I figured it was cool, just wanted to check aaronpk
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aaronpk aha forgot about that
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gRegorLove I'm adding back local comment capability but behind a Persona login. No fallback for those without js, other than the webmention form.
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aaronpk interesting
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@LukasRosenstock Need an open technology stack? Why not Fatberg? http://fatberg.org/?utm_content=buffer1ec42&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #nerdhumor #indieweb https://twitter.com/LukasRosenstock/status/652525227495288837/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/652525227495288837)
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@ChrisAldrich Twitter List for #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/indieweb/members Who is missing? (twitter.com/_/status/652532166325243904)
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@dkreuz @patrickkoglin Dann doch das eigene Twitter ;) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/652536557665165312)
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@irishrugger RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: AMP, Facebook Instant Articles and Apple News are like 3 new browsers that only support a subset of … (twitter.com/_/status/652544822981591040)
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tantek who was advocating slugs as actual necessary parts of permalinks?
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Loqi tantek: voxpelli left you a message 10 hours, 40 minutes ago: We're aiming for a monthly HWC in Malmö so we won't be doing one for a couple of weeks http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-09/line/1444377140538
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Loqi tantek: [kevinmarks] left you a message 9 hours, 15 minutes ago: you'll like the marco quote here: http://www.kevinmarks.com/ampreaction.html#blocking%20all%203rd%20party%20javascript http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-09/line/1444382261998
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tantek when I see a slug with a typo, if fixing the typo breaks the permalinks, then I'm likely not going to link to your permalink
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tantek s/permalinks,/permalink,
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Loqi tantek meant to say: when I see a slug with a typo, if fixing the typo breaks the permalink, then I'm likely not going to link to your permalink
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tantek voxpelli: monthly sounds like a great start
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tantek what is hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the Homebrew Computer Club meetings http://indiewebcamp.com/hwc
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tantek !tell voxpelli could you note that about Malmö in its entry here? http://indiewebcamp.com/hwc#Getting_Started_or_Restarting - or if monthly is for sure, move it to http://indiewebcamp.com/hwc#Regular_Meetings
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk yeah typos in slugs is exactly why I don't like using the slug as the lookup for posts
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tantek !tell tbrb Edinburgh is certainly regular enough to deserve moving its entry from Getting Started to http://indiewebcamp.com/hwc#Regular_Meetings (also it's now Tuesdays instead of Thursdays right?)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk: e.g. benwerd's photo post for HWC SF this week http://werd.io/2015/homebrew-website-club-at-mozilla-sf-ocotber-7-2015-indieweb
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tantek and that permalink makes me realize that Known needs a facepile
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snarfed re shared micropub test suite (voxpelli bear aaronpk), GWG would probably kiss you if you do build it
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snarfed since i'm currently blocking his future work on the wordpress micropub plugin on having unit tests :) :( https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/14
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GWG snarfed: I don't swing that way. But, I haven't forgotten about it.
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snarfed no worries, my fault for being high maintenance but not handling that maintenance myself :P
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GWG snarfed: I've just been limited since August with a physical ailment. I would have gotten to it by now otherwise.
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[kevinmarks] Has anyone tried out the medium API yet?
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tantek Whoa silo outage!! http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status Google Drive, Docs, Sheets, Slides are all DOWN!!
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tantek someone screenshot that and please upload to /Google !!!
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tantek (on too small a display to get the whole thing)
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tantek (will be useful to answer the - why you should use your own Etherpad instead of Google Docs question)
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GWG tantek: I forgot to finish configuring it, is a reason
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cleverdevil :)
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tantek aaronpk++ thank you for capturing that!
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Loqi [mention] Benny Cagle RSVPd yes to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-07-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/jun-Qnyyq9WIA5-5FWFeiw
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tantek !tell kylewm since you're thinking about repost posts these days - would really appreciate your feedback on what we came up with (brainstorming) in 2014 in NYC: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/reposts#Discussion
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek now the question is, how *long* is Google Docs etc. going to be down
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kylewm tantek: I think my own repost presentation is not far off from that at all https://kylewm.com/shares
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message on 10/8 at 5:36pm: could you create an indie event and FB POSSE copy for http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF ? Thanks!! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-08/line/1444350969489
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: since you're thinking about repost posts these days - would really appreciate your feedback on what we came up with (brainstorming) in 2014 in NYC: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/reposts#Discussion http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-09/line/1444422023793
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kylewm I left out the date of the original post -- it felt too cluttered
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aaronpk i show the date of the original post as well as the date I RT'd it. I would agree it feels a little cluttered.
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kylewm tantek: events published
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan wrote a post that linked to a photo: "2015/SF" http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF https://webmention.io/notification/RKmFes-7c8t9BP3wbg9yTg
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Loqi [mention] Tantek Çelik was invited to a photo: "2015/SF" http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF https://webmention.io/notification/oAh3XwIzeUX9r-d2BjIrYQ
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tantek invited to a photo huh Loqi? well that's quite interesting.
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snarfed re repost presentation, i reposted myself earlier today, which made me use an awkward custom presentation: https://snarfed.org/2015-10-09_15787
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snarfed the posse tweet is awkward too, at least :P
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kylewm I wonder how Loqi got "photo" from that, the h-entry doesn't have any photos
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tantek perhaps Loqi needs to follow Post Type Discovery ;)
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Loqi is done
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[aaronpk] That's the ruby parser's fault.
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