#indiewebcamp 2015-10-24

2015-10-24 UTC
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aaronpk AHHHH DAMMIT
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aaronpk I *also* have to include 'extension = "curl.so"' in a file to tell appengine to load it
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snarfed empathizes
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aaronpk it's aliiiive
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aaronpk http://indiewebify.appspot.com/validate-h-card/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com
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snarfed wooo!
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snarfed how about the webmention sending?
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aaronpk probably
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aaronpk haven't tried anything else yet
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snarfed preemptive woo!
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snarfed congrats!
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aaronpk and it deploys automatically from the master branch on github
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aaronpk via travis
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snarfed !!! oh man that's the big one
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snarfed awesome!!!
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aaronpk so that's kind of cool :)
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snarfed very cool
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snarfed aaronpk++
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snarfed can't wait for indieauth => add github org member
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Loqi aaronpk has 988 karma
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aaronpk so yeah, anyone can feel free to contribute to indiewebify.me now
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aaronpk i'll move the domain over to the appspot version this weekend!
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snarfed woo
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snarfed man you earned it
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[shaners] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 989 karma
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Loqi aaronpk has 989 karma
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kevinmarks aha, I have twitter polls
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kevinmarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/657782127052754945
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@kevinmarks Which is most useful? (twitter.com/_/status/657782127052754945)
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kevinmarks wow, the text sumamry doesn't include the options, even though the options have to be really short?
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snarfed yeah, silly
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snarfed also the voters aren't public?
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kevinmarks apparently. not sue they are even logged
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kevinmarks this is interesting https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/657794419798642688
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@sarahmei Isomorphism is an illusion, born of insufficient understanding of "the other side." (twitter.com/_/status/657794419798642688)
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kevinmarks (read up the twitter thread)
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@tinokremer I now use @withknown also for non indieweb websites where I write responses. It's manual, but I get to keep a copy in my archive! (twitter.com/_/status/657839314026524672)
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@nueww First IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg! Join us during the Nuremberg Web Week 2016. https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/657862907645075456)
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@tollwerk RT @nueww: First IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg! Join us during the Nuremberg Web Week 2016. https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/657863643430854657)
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@jkphl RT @nueww: First IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg! Join us during the Nuremberg Web Week 2016. https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/657863643393052672)
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@ODLNuremberg RT @nueww: First IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg! Join us during the Nuremberg Web Week 2016. https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/657863643414044673)
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[snarfed] has been slowly grinding through bridgy bugs the last few weeks
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[snarfed] it's been a tedious slog through fb api and oauth and caching and github triage, all pretty invisible/thankless
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[snarfed] but a lot of stuff has gotten fixed, and i see light at the end of the tunnel, so I'm feeling good about that
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[snarfed] apologies for the navel gazing, just felt like sharing :P
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GWG snarfed++
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kylewm snarfed++
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[snarfed] aww thanks all
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GWG snarfed, you are part of the glue that connects the community.
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[snarfed] thanks GWG. you are too!
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GWG Bridgy is perhaps the thing that attracts newcomers most...helping them take people with them for the ride.
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GWG I'm so behind on my projects.
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GWG That is why I'm so excited for Boston
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GWG snarfed, I've had a micropub commit sitting there for months.
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GWG Oh, what the heck.
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GWG snarfed, you've got a pull request.
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GWG It does nothing, but I had included it when installing the unit test code I didn't write
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[snarfed] lol nice
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[snarfed] I'll look!
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[snarfed] how are the unit tests coming btw? :P
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GWG snarfed: You and pfefferle both got annoyed with my tab spacing, so I automated it to WordPress standards.
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[snarfed] wow, that PR as a bunch of new stuff. unit tests, php ruleset, xml, Travis. is it all used and working?
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[snarfed] I'm not familiar with most of it. mind adding some sections to the readme on what they all are and how to use them?
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GWG snarfed: The php ruleset, yes. The travis stuff works. The unit tests I didn't write.
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GWG That's why I never sent the PR before.
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[snarfed] huh. so the tests... don't work?
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[snarfed] should they wait until later then?
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GWG No. The tests haven't been written.
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GWG I set up the infrastructure for the tests without setting the tests themselves up.
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[snarfed] confused. so this PR just has the test... framework?
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[snarfed] OK
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GWG Yes.
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GWG And the coding standards.
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[snarfed] sounds good. looking forward to docs!
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GWG I'm thinking of going back to it after I add microformats2 parsing support to Post Kinds.
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GWG Which has been stalled due non-Indieweb stuff
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek greetings #indiewebcamp from Science Hack Day!
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GWG snarfed, I looked at it again. I still think you may have to create a local variable to replace $_POST so a unit test can send in dummy variables.
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tantek _POST--
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Loqi POST has -1 karma
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GWG tantek: Why?
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tantek magicPHPglobals--
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Loqi magicPHPglobals has -1 karma
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GWG tantek: Greetings. What Science are you hacking today?
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tantek hopefully optics, projection
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@kylewmahan An #indieweb message from the president https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/657980034351665152/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/657980034351665152)
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aaronpk snarfed: not to add to your list of bridgy things, but do you know why it hasn't found my latest facebook post?
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aaronpk i didn't include a backlink since i manually POSSEd to facebook, but my original post includes a syndication url
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snarfed aaronpk: hi! not sure but i can look
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@RikMende RT @kylewmahan: An #indieweb message from the president https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/657980034351665152/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/657980295413702657)
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kylewm Facebook photo post URLs --
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aaronpk oh is that what's happening?
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snarfed yeah sadly
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aaronpk is there an alternate URL I can use for it?
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snarfed yes, but we should also fix our handling
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snarfed looks like the problem here is FB's new id format with colons
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snarfed your syndication URL is https://www.facebook.com/11500459/posts/10102229448035176:0
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aaronpk this URL also works https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102229448035176&l=71baa7f424
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aaronpk would bridgy pick that one up?
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snarfed we recently fixed a bug with synd urls in FB photo posts, but evidently not for colon ids
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snarfed aaronpk: yes
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aaronpk the URL also works without the colon so I could just remove it
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snarfed right
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aaronpk oh weird, the photo.php URL doesn't have any of the comments
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snarfed we just also want to fix this so it works automatically
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snarfed yeah there are two separate FB objects for photo posts, one for the story and one for the photo
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snarfed part of the joy i've had w/FB API recently
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aaronpk whee
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kylewm it's straight broken on their end, imho
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kylewm given how many people have albums named like "iPhone photos" and then so many comments on the album itself relating to a single photo from 4 years ago
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aaronpk heh yeah
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aaronpk man I keep thinking I should rewrite my DNS management interface but it works and i haven't had to change it since writing it in like 2008
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aaronpk actually i think it's older than that, like maybe 2006
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aaronpk OH NO LOQI
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snarfed i was wondering why slack died
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aaronpk huh, I wonder how blaine got this impression https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOLIuBr_2uM&feature=youtu.be&t=38m22s
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aaronpk "I take a lot of issue with their 'I'm building this for me and not for other people'..."
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aaronpk it's more like "I'm building this for me and *then* for other people"
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kevinmarks well, tantek has explictly called out blaine for his 'my grandma doesn't understand urls just email addresses'
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kevinmarks hm http://www.zdnet.com/article/as-sha1-winds-down-sha2-leap-will-leave-millions-stranded/
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kevinmarks android 2.2 and earlier is < 1% of android
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aaronpk i still had a couple SHA1 certs until recently
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kevinmarks though <1% of android is still millions
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snarfed likely 10s of millions
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kevinmarks though http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html doesn't measure below 2.2
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snarfed snarfed.org and brid.gy's certs are both sha1 :(
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snarfed pile onto the todo list
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[aaronpk] It's a quick fix luckily
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GWG snarfed: These unit tests are going to take some rewriting to allow arbitrary values to be passed in.
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[snarfed] GWG: huh. have you looked at how other WordPress plugins do unit tests?
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[snarfed] i still suspect making full http requests would be the best approach
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[snarfed] but i'd happily follow a common pattern in other plugins if there is one
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GWG That makes sense for an internal tester
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GWG HTTP requests would work for an external one.
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GWG snarfed, I'm basing the change on how pfefferle did his request handling in the webmention plugin. Although he doesn't have unit tests either.
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[snarfed] ah ok. I'd like to see any common unit test patterns specifically
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[snarfed] also plenty of projects do full http requests in unit tests, so there is prevent
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[snarfed] er precedent
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GWG snarfed, my intention, as I seem to have gotten back on this again, is to deliver a design change complete with unit testing.
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[snarfed] excellent! that's great!
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GWG I'll look into how others do it, but being as I'm trying to learn this, I'd like to start with the black box theory. Input X into function and expect Y to return
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GWG Also, the change allows for arbitrary replacement of the request handling.
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[snarfed] understood. agreed on black box testing! I'm just saying X can be an http request :P
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[snarfed] regardless, let's see what best practice for unit testing WordPress plugins is before we start coding
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GWG Read several notations on this.
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GWG But hard to figure out best practice. I'm going to Wordcamp next week here in NYC
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GWG I'll ask around
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[snarfed] good idea!
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GWG I'm still trying to figure out how to pitch Indieweb to people there. Namely, identifying an opportunity and taking advantage of it.
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[kevinmarks] Interesting post on medium's code stack https://medium.com/medium-eng/the-stack-that-helped-medium-drive-2-6-millennia-of-reading-time-e56801f7c492
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[kevinmarks] It is slightly odd that the best pitch for indieweb is silo integration via bridgy
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@kevinmarks RT @kylewmahan: An #indieweb message from the president https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/657980034351665152/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/658020165817249792)
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@zebel Not sure I understand how @FlickrAPI subscriptions API works, getting callback requests for >1 year old photos. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/658025178664992768)
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aaronpk i forgot that the flick api is actually based on PubSubHubbub too
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aaronpk based on, but not exactly equal to http://code.flickr.net/2011/06/30/dont-be-so-pushy/
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aaronpk wow this is really sad http://web.archive.org/web/20111005171716/http://www.flickr.com/services/api/
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aaronpk "We're sorry, Flickr doesn't allow embedding within frames."
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kevinmarks medium mentions PuSH too
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF (+642) "h-event, linky linky, dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2015/SF/Planning (+1256) "stub with to do, archive of date deciding" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF () "(-894) /* Planning */ archived date deciding" (view diff)
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tantek kevinmarks, looks like Twitter Polls are js;dr e.g. I see no options here: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/657782127052754945 when running with NOSCRIPT
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@kevinmarks Which is most useful? (twitter.com/_/status/657782127052754945)
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kevinmarks also, loqi doesn't see the options
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kevinmarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/658026860740128768
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@kevinmarks @benward @seldo why aren't the poll options in the plaintext fallback? Especially as they are length limited. (twitter.com/_/status/658026860740128768)
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tantek Indeed - it should be trivial to @-reply to a poll with a 1 or 2 (phone-menu style) to vote in the poll
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tantek e.g. via txt message
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tantek thinking of creating / reserving space for all the rest of the HWC SF for the year
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kevinmarks https://twitter.com/seldo/status/657977379378237440
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@seldo Why does Twitter only let polls have two options? (twitter.com/_/status/657977379378237440)
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tantek yup
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kevinmarks looks like the poss are twitter cards. Does that mean we could mark them up on our sites?
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kevinmarks s/poss/polls/
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Loqi kevinmarks meant to say: looks like the polls are twitter cards. Does that mean we could mark them up on our sites?
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@mschottenhammer RT @nueww: First IndieWebCamp in Nuremberg! Join us during the Nuremberg Web Week 2016. https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/658046505408942080)
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tantek ok - all set with reserving the MozSF 1st floor common area for HWC SF 12-02,12-16, 12-30!
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tantek now to create the wiki pages ...
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tantek.com created /events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club (+4052) "start with cloning from 2015-11-18, SF location confirmed, rsvp" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (+4052) "start with cloning from 2015-12-02, SF location confirmed, rsvp" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club (+4052) "start with cloning from 2015-12-16, SF location confirmed, rsvp" (view diff)
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tantek now to update /events
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tantek.com edited /Events (+2846) "full h-events for 2015-12 HWCs" (view diff)
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GWG !tell snarfed I'm not sure if you are going to love this idea or hate it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /Events (+397) "save the date for 12-19..20 for possible IWC NYC" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+463) "/* IndieWebCamp */ direct More IndieWebCamps to planning, add IWC SF also" (view diff)
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kevinmarks hm, sslreports gives appspot.com a B grade
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kevinmarks https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=unmung2.appspot.com&s=74.125.25.141&hideResults=on&latest
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aaronpk wow that's pretty bad
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aaronpk they probably have it like tjhat to support all the way back to some pretty old devices
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aaronpk since it uses SHA1 and also SSL3
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kevinmarks per that piece this morning, they'll get marked insecure by browsers soon
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kevinmarks and jack just came up with emoji;dr https://twitter.com/jack/status/658056376187400192
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@jack 🤔 (twitter.com/_/status/658056376187400192)
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aaronpk that doesn't even render on twitter.com and they're supposed to be replacing emoji with images
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kevinmarks yep: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/658057231481503744
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@kevinmarks hi @jack - that counts as emoji;dr as well as js;dr then? (twitter.com/_/status/658057231481503744)
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kevinmarks well, jack retweeted it
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aaronpk ha
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kevinmarks hope he didn't fire the emoji engineers
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aaronpk moving indiewebify.me over to app engine now!
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