#indiewebcamp 2015-11-13

2015-11-13 UTC
nitot, snarfed, kevinmarks, funwhilelost, KevinMarks_ and mlncn joined the channel
#
@mlncn @voxpelli @agaric webmentions in Drupal, one way or another, are up next! // cc @HongPong (twitter.com/_/status/664967330007486464)
#
@HongPong RT @mlncn: @voxpelli @agaric webmentions in Drupal, one way or another, are up next! // cc @HongPong (twitter.com/_/status/664968008054501376)
snarfed, KevinMarks_, nitot and tvn_ joined the channel
#
@HongPong RT @agaric: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664973812488937472)
#
@HongPong RT @voxpelli: @agaric Nice! Tried adding WebMentions through https://www.drupal.org/project/vinculum ? That + upcoming Pubsubhubbub version of Multiping wo… (twitter.com/_/status/664973819254349824)
bengo and nitot joined the channel
#
mlncn ben_thatmustbeme: yes, that surveillance! :-)
#
mlncn Anyone else here going to http://platformcoop.net/ ?
bengo and Jeena joined the channel
#
GWG Not me. I'm not far away, but I have to spend the next two days supervising electrical work at my residence.
cjk101010, Leeky, Jeena and GWG joined the channel
#
aaronpk oh man. anyone want to help me track down why someone was able to send me spam with my mail server?
#
aaronpk email--
[snarfed] joined the channel
#
[snarfed] email--
#
Loqi email has -26 karma
#
[snarfed] emaildeliverability--
#
Loqi emaildeliverability has -4 karma
#
aaronpk i want to set my mail server on fire
#
aaronpk i think that's the only solution
[shaners] joined the channel
#
[shaners] prolly
#
aaronpk wait a sec how is email forwarding supposed to work
#
[shaners] how did this ever work!?
hober, KevinMarks, tentonbricks, nitot, shiflett and [number5] joined the channel
#
[number5] aaronpk: you set up you own mail server, e.g. postfix?
#
aaronpk yeah, i have a postfix server that i only use to forward mail to my gmail address
#
aaronpk pretty sure i'm going to move everything over to dreamhost's mail forwarding and turn that off
#
aaronpk i used to do fancier things with it like piping emails to shell scripts, but now things like mailgun make that a lot nicer
#
[number5] if you have allow incoming smtp on your server, and spammer find your smtp server, they can send you spam
#
aaronpk yeah, which is why now i'm doubting everything i know and wondering how is email forwarding supposed to be safe
KevinMarks and lukebrooker joined the channel
#
tentonbricks I'd like to spend more time in here learning from you fine folks, but alas my workplace has relevant ports blocked. Any idea how I might be able to circumvent that?
#
KartikPrabhu1 ports for IRC?
#
aaronpk tentonbricks: you can join this room via Slack (they have a web interface too) plus we have our own web chat interface
#
aaronpk you can join Slack at http://slack.indiewebcamp.com/ or our IRC logs directly at http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta#bottom
wolftune and [erikstl] joined the channel
#
[erikstl] Awesome. Thanks, aaronpk
#
[erikstl] <--- tentonbricks, btw.
#
aaronpk \o/
#
[erikstl] figured I might as well use the name that I use on my known site, instead of my old irc handle.
#
KartikPrabhu welcome [erikstl]
#
[erikstl] Thanks!
pl_, nitot, snarfed, j12t, lukebrooker, gRegorLove and snarfed1 joined the channel
#
gregorlove.com edited /venue (+315) "/* Indieweb Examples */ +me" (view diff)
#
gregorlove.com edited /venue (+0) "/* gRegor Morrill */ fix wiki link" (view diff)
snarfed joined the channel
#
gRegorLove I'm thinking about tagging and wondering if anyone uses "machine tag" style, like Flickr did/does, e.g. upcoming:event=##### which upcoming.org used to pull in pictures of specific events. I was thinking of using a variation, with just a namespace, for tagging concerts. artist:[artist-name]
#
aaronpk at that point why not just URL tagging?
#
gRegorLove What is URL tagging?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "URL tagging" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106x
#
gRegorLove Do you mean linking to the artist URL?
#
aaronpk or your own URLs
#
gRegorLove Hm. Guess I'd prefer my own URL over the artists, since so many are just FB, Bandcamp, etc. URLs
#
aaronpk i don't know, i hadn't really thought about it either way
#
gRegorLove I hadn't thought about it that way. Implicitly each tag would have it's own URL once I add browse-by-tags.
#
aaronpk yeah
#
gRegorLove So I guess the question becomes whether I actually *need* to add context to the tag so it's clear it's an artist and not something else random.
#
gRegorLove E.g. is my tag 'mew' about the band or cats? :)
#
aaronpk yeah, i haven't quite figured that out either yet. right now with person-tagging, the only thing that differetiates that from something else like venue-tagging is the contents of the URL
#
aaronpk (tho even then, both would contain an h-card, so that's still a little confusing)
#
gRegorLove Do you do URL tagging?
#
aaronpk yeah, but it assumes any tag that is a URL is a person
#
aaronpk i show it with a little person icon
#
aaronpk http://aaron.pk/n4e71
#
gRegorLove URL tagging is /tags
#
loqi.me created /URL_tagging (+17) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-12/line/1447392878259 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
#
Loqi ok
#
aaronpk i'm pretty sure i'm going to make a web service for p3k that returns a simple representation of any URL, looking for microformats, oembed, twitter tags, facebook tags, etc
#
aaronpk and that's what i'll use for showing reply context
#
aaronpk i might add that to webmention.io since it's already doing some of that work for pulling out data for showing comments
#
gRegorLove Nice
#
gregorlove.com edited /event (+123) "/* gRegor Morrill */ split upcoming/past events" (view diff)
[snarfed] joined the channel
#
[snarfed] aaronpk: sounds similar to kevinmarks's hovercard work
#
gRegorLove kylewm: Does Woodwind support feeds of h-events?
#
gRegorLove It appeared to subscribe, but no posts.
yakker, nitot and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] Except hovercard is ignoring silo tags for now
KartikPrabhu, sparverius, wolftune, nitot, kevinmarks, cweiske, KevinMarks_, loic_m, elf-pavlik, loic_m_, petermolnar, KevinMarks, interactivist, hober, ttepasse, friedcell, kevinmarks_, fkooman, j12t and jciv joined the channel
#
voxpelli aaronpk: I've been thinking of doing the same with webmention.herokuapp.com
rickardg, j12t, cweiske, ventilateur, kevinmarks_, frzn, loic_m, Garbee, eschnou, johnstorey and tvn joined the channel
#
@roomformoreapp Take control of your photos, and choose which ones are saved to the cloud. #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/665162352858431488)
hs0ucy, kevinmarks_ and j12t joined the channel
#
@CloudyButt Take control of your photos, and choose which ones are saved to my butt. #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/665167241407664129)
j12t, snarfed and shiflett joined the channel
#
aaronpk voxpelli: cool, we should make the APIs return in the same format!
#
voxpelli aaronpk: I was thinking of mainly making an embed script, similar to my comment embed
#
voxpelli but my latest embed script uses my API to progressively enhance a "u-responses" link so would likely do somehting similar then
#
voxpelli have a script that reads the reply to comment, asks the API about the content of that (due to Salmentions it will have to have fetched it anyway), and then embeds a representation of it
#
aaronpk ah yeah that makes sense
#
voxpelli s/reply to a comment/the reply link in the post/
#
aaronpk it's funny cause there is a service that does pretty much this http://embed.ly/cards
#
voxpelli yeah, we used them at Flattr, I got them to parse some more microformats back then :)
#
aaronpk oh really!
#
aaronpk do you still have contacts there? we shoudl talk to them again about parsing microformats2 posts
#
aaronpk it looks like they're in Boston, I wonder if rhiaro could meet them :)
#
voxpelli I guess I could try
#
voxpelli I also built an OEmbed module for Drupal that made it very easy to add all Embed.ly OEmbed endpoints
#
cweiske .. use a service to use a service
#
cweiske what do you save with it? the discovery stage?
#
aaronpk lol no that's just a library to use a service. i was actually thinking about using embed.ly as a last resort fallback in my service tho ;)
jciv joined the channel
#
voxpelli cweiske: embed.ly provides oembed endpoints for services that themselves doesn't provide an oembed endpoint if that's what you mean – they basically have an oembed-api that you can use with any URL, although some they support better than others
#
cweiske ah, ok
#
aaronpk huh yeah everything i was thinking about building with this service it seems that embed.ly has done it
#
voxpelli one can find the services they provide extended support for with http://api.embed.ly/v1/api/services
#
aaronpk i wish it was open source so that i could just run a copy
#
voxpelli including regexp that one can use to match against URL to know when embed.ly can provide an improved experience and when one can maybe want to do a fallback oneself rather than have embed.ly handle the fallback
#
voxpelli aaronpk: there are eg. https://iframely.com/
#
aaronpk haha that's a great tagline "It’s the embeds API you wish you built yourself."
#
Loqi awesome
#
voxpelli its open: https://github.com/itteco/iframely
#
kylewm gRegorLove: events should show up in woodwind, but it doesnt' have any special support for them above and beyond regular poss
#
aaronpk well then... maybe i can submit a PR to them for mf2 support
#
aaronpk thx for this link voxpelli :)
#
voxpelli :)
#
ben_thatmustbeme what is embed.ly?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "embed.ly" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106y
#
voxpelli I guess I should add a second step to the metadataparser that I've created so that it not only parses a lot of data, but also derives a unified representation of all that data
#
@colinjohnston RT @t: ATT wifi injects ads http://webpolicy.org/2015/08/25/att-hotspots-now-with-advertising-injection/ = I learned+deployed CSP https://indiewebcamp.com/Content-Security-Policy You should too. #security (ttk.me t4cv2) (twitter.com/_/status/665200089695043584)
tvn_ joined the channel
#
aaronpk heh it used to be called http://oembedapi.com
#
petermolnar I'm so not happy that iframes are making a comeback
#
aaronpk no, but that service also exposes everything as an api which is cool
#
@dkreuz RT @jordan_web: Perhaps we should be hosting our websites in Germany. #indieweb https://twitter.com/ArsTechnicaUK/status/664734133063688194 (twitter.com/_/status/665203751603556352)
#
@kevinmarks @girlziplocked does posting links to a psychology of trolls count? https://storify.com/KaaSerpent/theresa?utm_content=indieweb&utm_source=indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665203853650870276)
#
ben_thatmustbeme did someone try to GA track 'indieweb'?
#
aaronpk i think i have that hooked up, let me check
#
aaronpk i used to have those going to IRC
#
ben_thatmustbeme also, incorrectly using GA
#
ben_thatmustbeme source, medium, and name are expected to always be there
#
ben_thatmustbeme with term and content optional
#
ben_thatmustbeme it will work fine, but not optimal
#
aaronpk oh i was talking about something else nvm
elf-pavlik joined the channel
#
aaronpk i *think* this is where to add the microformats parser https://github.com/itteco/iframely/tree/master/lib/plugins/system/meta
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
aaronpk large node.js projects are always super difficult for me to untangle and figure out how they work
kevinmarks, funwhilelost, cleverdevil, eschnou, elima, scoates and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] if you two converge the webmention responses on jf2 that would be very cool
#
aaronpk [kevinmarks]: I already updated webmention.io to return jf2 if requested
#
aaronpk http://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?target=http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/07/would-like-chat
#
kevinmarks I know - if you can replace the js sent down now to client side by jf2 to the same effect that is a good field test
#
kevinmarks eg If voxpelli's js to html embed script could use webmention.io output too…
snarfed, kevinmarks and gRegorLove joined the channel
#
gRegorLove kylewm: I tried a new pull on the gregorlove.com/events/ subscription, but still no posts. Subscription 751.
wolftune, elf-pavlik, johnstorey, jacus and funwhilelost joined the channel
#
GWG snarfed: Has anyone tested Brid.gy with Facebook Pages?
#
snarfed GWG: yup! https://brid.gy/about#facebook-pages
#
snarfed https://www.brid.gy/facebook/688447421193285
#
GWG snarfed: I know about that. I was looking for an example.
#
GWG Never mind
#
GWG But wait, it is showing kylewm and indiewebcamp.com
#
snarfed yes, the IWC FB page includes kylewm.com in its profile deliberately
#
snarfed since some IWC h-events are hosted on kylewm.com
#
GWG But if it didn't....
#
GWG I have a page I admin, not sure I went the webmentions to come to me as well.
#
snarfed they'll only go to you if you put your domain in the page's profile, and if bridgy finds backlinks or synd links for the page's posts on your domain
#
GWG Okay.
#
GWG That should do the trick.
#
snarfed thanks for trying! let me know if the page signup process isn't obvious and smooth
j12t joined the channel
#
GWG Set up some sites I administrate for other people. Curious to see if they like it
loic_m joined the channel
#
snarfed looks like signup went ok? https://brid.gy/facebook/394113300647012 , https://brid.gy/facebook/366542420029618
#
rhiaro hey snarfed, quick question (maybe)
#
@withknown We're at @DavidsonCollege for a design sprint on the future of @DavidsonDomains: giving every student their own domain. #reclaim #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665252891049914368)
#
rhiaro I understood from that recent gh thread that if I get an @mention on twitter that is not a reply to anything, bridgy should send my homepage a mention right?
shiflett joined the channel
#
kylewm gRegorLove: I'll have to look into why they're not showing up in Woodwind! The parser does pick them up: https://kylewm.com/services/mf2util?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2Fevents
#
@STRTSF We’re at @DavidsonCollege for a design sprint on the future of @DavidsonDomains: giving every student their own… http://matter.vc/were-at-davidsoncollege-for-a-design-sprint-on-the-future-of-davidsondomains-giving-every-student-their-own-domain-reclaim-indieweb/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/665255077452447744)
snarfed1 joined the channel
#
@ShaneHudson @RikHeywood The page over at https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Setup tends to be useful and fairly regularly updated. (twitter.com/_/status/665262988534919168)
[erikstl] joined the channel
#
[erikstl] That awkward moment when you're trying to plug in a new lamp and you hit the off switch on your power strip.
#
ben_thatmustbeme heh. yeah i've gone to unplug my laptop and unplugged my power strip for my workstation instead
shiflett and cleverdevil joined the channel
#
@mlncn A lot of recognition at #platformcoop that our platforms should be decentralized - all the #indieweb people say hey! (twitter.com/_/status/665285240575782912)
snarfed joined the channel
#
@infogrid RT @mlncn: A lot of recognition at #platformcoop that our platforms should be decentralized - all the #indieweb people say hey! (twitter.com/_/status/665288685454143488)
cleverdevil joined the channel
#
@RikHeywood RT @ShaneHudson: @RikHeywood The page over at https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Setup tends to be useful and fairly regularly updated. (twitter.com/_/status/665291013439815680)
#
aaronparecki.com edited /this-week-in-the-indieweb (+1769) "add subscribe form" (view diff)
#
aaronpk well that's neat
eschnou, nitot, funwhilelost, friedcell, snarfed and scor joined the channel
#
kylewm aaronpk: was TWIITW using mailchimp before?
#
aaronpk nope, I switched to mailchimp yesterday!
snarfed joined the channel
#
@Johannes_Ernst @philipashlock is working on an open API for taxi hailing at https://t.co/cwmAZ5Chzk. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665303645928321024)
snarfed joined the channel
#
@danbri RT @Johannes_Ernst: @philipashlock is working on an open API for taxi hailing at https://t.co/cwmAZ5Chzk. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665308419256004608)
#
@todrobbins RT @Johannes_Ernst: @philipashlock is working on an open API for taxi hailing at https://t.co/cwmAZ5Chzk. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/665308775960612868)
nitot, cleverdevil and interactivist joined the channel