#indiewebcamp 2015-11-24

2015-11-24 UTC
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loqi.me created /Google_Cloud (+68) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by bengo" (view diff)
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tantek voxpelli++ for the amazingly rubegoldbergian "Bridgy -> WM -> My site -> My endpoint -> Mention h-feed -> Granary -> Feedbin -> Push notification" https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-23/line/1448294324823
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tantek on iMessage problems: https://twitter.com/t/status/668959360958136320
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@t Seeing iMessage delivery problems too. If you txt, don’t see Delivered, I didn’t get it. FB Messenger is more reliable (ttk.me t4eN2) (twitter.com/_/status/668959360958136320)
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tantek and before that https://twitter.com/t/status/668942085043580928
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@t Putting FB Messenger, Twitter DMs, ahead of iMessage/txt on my /contact page because AppleID is so broken ... http://tantek.com/2015/327/t1/appleid-broken-currently (twitter.com/_/status/668942085043580928)
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@cindyfsolomon RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: Brid.gy's github discussions are some of the most polite humane and considered in open source (twitter.com/_/status/668970661394583552)
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tantek aaronpk++ very good edits on /Webmention !
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tantek I'm going to move the FAQ to a separate page too
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tantek oops I see the pointers to issues / brainstorming were apparently lost?
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tantek.com created /Webmention-faq (+6695) "move from main webmention page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Webmention-faq (-6) "minor relative fix" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Webmention () "(-6182) provide forward links to moved content, move FAQ to separate page" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+280) "Status" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+810) (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (-24) "Breaking all the things" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu GWG: you might be interested in https://developer.wordpress.com/calypso/
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tantek snarfed, kylewm heads-up on this thread about Bridgy: https://twitter.com/awoods/status/668983984345321472
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@awoods @itsananderson Turns out that you are correct. It’s scraping the page using microformats. It just found the wrong micro format first (twitter.com/_/status/668983984345321472)
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tantek also GWG ^^^ looks like he's using WordPress and having problems with microformats in his template or something
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+2719) "Verification & errors" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+26) "/* Sender discovers receiver endpoint */" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+5) "/* Error Responses */" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (-266) "/* How to test */" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+503) "Update existing" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+576) "Security & privacy" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+371) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention-faq (+834) "/* Why webmention instead of pingback */" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention () "(-951) /* Why */" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+0) "Move TOC" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk created /webmention-implementation-details (+4851) "Created page with "= Webmention = For the protocol itself, see [[Webmention]]. == Implementation Details == There are some interesting implementation details regarding receiving webmentions. E.g...."" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention () "(-4694) /* Implementation Details */" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /webmention-implementation-details (-11) (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /webmention-implementation-details (+205) "Relative links" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /webmention-implementation-details (+0) "/* sync or async response status code */" (view diff)
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rhiaro Okay so I'm seeing mentions in the various bits of webmention docs to x-www-urlencoded and application/x-www-url-form-encoded but wikipedia says the content type is application/x-www-form-urlencoded
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rhiaro am I missing something crucial, or is this one of those things that people can just never quite remember?
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /Webmention (+13) "content-type consistent (but possibly wrong?)" (view diff)
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GWG Evening
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aaronpk rhiaro: lol yeah that's just weird copy/paste/misremember errors
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rhiaro heh, they've been stray for a while
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rhiaro I think I got them all
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aaronpk on github or just on the wiki?
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aaronpk I like how it started out as an x- name and just never changed
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+11) "/* Protocol */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+6) "/* How to receive a webmention */ rephrase" (view diff)
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aaronpk I thought we agreed we were going to stop recommending this: "...SHOULD link to source with rel="nofollow" to prevent spam"
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aaronpk tantek++ for adding back the fragment ID links to /webmention
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Loqi tantek has 261 karma
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+531) "add shorter overview" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (-4) "/* Overview */ mediawiki syntax oops" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (-17) "/* Error Responses */ receiver error is covered later" (view diff)
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rhiaro yeah I wondered about the x-
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tantek aaronpk: re: nofollow - yes we should drop any use of that - it's been very bad for authoring and site posting
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aaronpk also I don't think anybody actually publishes their webmention links with rel=nofollow
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (-123) "remove rel=nofollow recommendation" (view diff)
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kylewm snarfed, tantek, that bridgy publish tweet problem is very odd
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kylewm tantek++ thanks for the heads up
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Loqi tantek has 262 karma
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snarfed eh, not so odd. different wp themes do all sorts of different things with microformats
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kylewm but the linked post looks good
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kylewm and the bridgy log makes it seem like it possed the right thing
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snarfed oh! odd indeed then
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GWG snarfed: I've tried. It is a hard problem.
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@stevedowe Self-hosting the IndieWeb http://stevedowe.me/2015/11/self-hosting-indieweb.html https://twitter.com/stevedowe/status/669097122172530688/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/669097122172530688)
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@acegiak My Current Indieweb Setup | Acegiak - life at warp() - https://acegiak.net/2015/11/24/my-current-indieweb-setup-acegiak-life-at-warp/ (twitter.com/_/status/669101031259660289)
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petermolnar.eu edited /User:Petermolnar.eu (+1522) (view diff)
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@rhiaro My site is down, I dunno what to do. Do I just nap until it comes back? You can tell cos my tweets don't have links. #indieweb @evohosting (twitter.com/_/status/669148585498443778)
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@rhiaro I suppose I could calculate the slug and add it and backfill the posts later.. http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/11/suppose-could #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/669149195950030848)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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dc21 finally a nick i can use :)
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dc21 hey anyone around?
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Tino sure, hello dc21
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Loqi Tino: tantek left you a message on 11/13 at 9:07pm: who are the big bloggers? re: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-08/line/1446995638957 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-13/line/1447477657975
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dc21 hey tino
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dc21 just read something that brought me to the channel but i think im in the wrong place :S
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Tino !tell tantek Nobody in particular, blogs they read, which are usually not indieweb compatible sites
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Tino This channel is for people that have / work on indieweb principles and websites
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petermolnar dc21 if you tell us what brought you here, that might help :)
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dc21 well im looking for a hashtag search bot that can help me search for hashtags on twitter and display them into a irc channel
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petermolnar what is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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petermolnar there you go dc21 :)
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dc21 omg thank you
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cweiske petermolnar, but the code is not public
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petermolnar yes, I'm just realising that
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petermolnar while reading the linked articles
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dc21 it can still give me a idea of how it works :)
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dc21 !weather ub2 5ns
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Loqi what?
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dc21 !weather ub2 5ns
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Loqi what?
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dc21 !weather london
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Loqi what?
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petermolnar try us
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dc21 need a zipcode lol
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dc21 !temperature 97214
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oddvar !weather w4 4ah
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Loqi what?
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dc21 from ealing oddvar?
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oddvar chiswick :)
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk Loqi !weather is not international and it makes us, non US residents sad.
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dc21 local
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dc21 well if anyone wants to know about uk weather its freezing
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dc21 !digits 503-346-RIDE
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Loqi 503-346-7433
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dc21 cant find anything on the twitter stuff
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tommorris big news in wordpress-land today then.
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oddvar ooh
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oddvar positive
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KartikPrabhu https://developer.wordpress.com/calypso/
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tommorris "Calypso uses a thin layer of Node.js on the server to build the initial web page, and much of the logic is run in the client as a Single Page Application (SPA) built in-house, leveraging many other open source JavaScript modules."
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tommorris web.js seems wholly unnecessary for what is ultimately a fancy text box.
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KartikPrabhu more apps more
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KartikPrabhu js that interacts with a REST API = we built a browser inside a browser
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raucao huh? it's just a js client to an ai
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raucao api
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raucao that's not a browser inside a browser
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raucao also, they're packaging it for desktop OSs, so looks like electron or sth
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@pranesh @stevesong If #indieweb took off, we wouldn't need 3rd party Javascript (or social networks) for commenting. But it won't. (twitter.com/_/status/669178418085269504)
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petermolnar "but whether the Calypso codebase eventually becomes part of core WordPress and replaces WP-Admin is up to the WordPress community." if that happens, I will have the final reason to walk away from WP.
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tantek yikes - why is that?
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Loqi tantek: Tino left you a message 1 hour, 56 minutes ago: Nobody in particular, blogs they read, which are usually not indieweb compatible sites http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-24/line/1448373597443
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petermolnar I seriously dislike the idea of an admin interface not having a fallback and being js only
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tantek that is a fair criticism
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tantek what is Calypso?
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Loqi Calypso is the javascript-based rewrite of the wordpress front-end https://indiewebcamp.com/Calypso
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petermolnar wrong
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petermolnar back-end
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petermolnar as in admin back-end
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petermolnar which is a frontend of the two frontends
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tantek ugh - please fix that dfn! and definitely add your criticism to a new == Criticisms == section
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tantek see also [[js;dr]]
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petermolnar I'm aware of js;dr :)
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tantek :)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Calypso (+191) (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Calypso (-3) "/* Criticisms */" (view diff)
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petermolnar if WP finally decided to use something other than PHP why could they not drift towards python? :(
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tantek because python is not as fashionable as node?
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petermolnar never cared about fashion
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petermolnar hacking legacy perl at the moment
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@rhiaro If my webID doesn't resolve do I really exist?..back after this morning's server outage/existential crisis #indieweb http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/11/webid-doesnt (twitter.com/_/status/669187000608661504)
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tantek rhiaro: your server will last longer than webid
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: did you ever write anything up about the slack irc bridge?
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ben_thatmustbeme i had someone curious to hear more info about it
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: kinda, it lives here: https://github.com/aaronpk/Slack-IRC-Gateway
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Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 2 hours, 12 minutes ago: Loqi !weather is not international and it makes us, non US residents sad. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-24/line/1448374392751
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rhiaro tantek: webID is my URL for me
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rhiaro So it'll last as long as my domain registration
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tantek rhiaro: your URL will last longer than webid the protocol
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aaronpk petermolnar: I think !weather is broken for everyone
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, didn't realize it was opensource, thought you rolled it in to loqi
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Loqi :)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: the IRC->Slack part is inside Loqi, but Slack->IRC (which is the harder part) is that project
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rhiaro WebID is a protocol?
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tantek yeah - all the keygen + browser clientside cert stuff
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rhiaro That's webID-tls
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tantek lol - most references to webid in conversation mean exactly that
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tantek there's no "generic" noun of "webid"
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tantek just like openID is a protocol (or now several variants)
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tantek if you're looking for a generic noun for domain as identity, NYT recommends "your web address", similar to "your email address"
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rhiaro I will start using hashtag #myindieweb when I want to use terms or talk about technologies that aren't officially approved in future
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kylewm cringes at "officially approved"
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aaronpk the snark is strong with this one
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tantek wonders where the "officially approved" reference comes from
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@LarockFraser RT @TSGtheseries: TSG Trivia Fact #1 Only 1 of our leading ladies has a last name. "Alexis Freakin' Summers" #indieweb #yvrshoots #web http… (twitter.com/_/status/669199643926921216)
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[snarfed] happy birthday kylewm!!!
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tantek happy birthday kylewm !!!
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aaronparecki.com edited /this-week-in-the-indieweb (-257) (view diff)
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aaronpk ohh! happy birthday!
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kylewm :D
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endi happy birthday kylewm :)
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Tino !tell kylewm happy birthday!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear waves happy birthday to kylewm
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bengo yaaaaaaaay
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bengo to kylewm
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bret woop
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message on 11/21 at 10:31am: are you around to host Portland Homebrew Website Club 2015-12-02? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-21/line/1448130704994
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@kevinmarks new @withknown feature - no-public posts #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/669227932028538880/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/669227932028538880)
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bret my usergroup time is spoken for around them :[
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bret i think I can help out with hwc in 2016 though
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@diddleapp RT @kevinmarks: new @withknown feature - no-public posts #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/669227932028538880/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/669229282774884353)
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tantek bret - that would be great
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Micropub (-89) "remove my templates so micropub.net has my name" (view diff)
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paulmunday.net edited /URL_design (+187) "/* URL in a URL */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme is moving discussion about micropub / webmention having implementations first in to the channel
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ben_thatmustbeme I get that implementations listed first is like "hey look at all the implementations that are out there" but most of the time i don't think people are going to a page for info about what implementations exist, they want the meat of what the spec is
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ben_thatmustbeme this is especially important with aaronpk working on autobuilding a spec out of the wiki page
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tantek depends on the context of how they arrive at the page
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tantek on the IWC site - there are lots of different kinds of pages / proposals of widely varying levels of adoption
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aaronpk this is almost an argument for splitting these pages into two different pages. I like all the non-spec information that's on the wiki, but a lot of it doesn't belong in a spec.
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tantek totally disagree aaronpk - because moving implementation separately de-emphasizes their importance to a spec
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kevinmarks with microformats we split the implementations out when they got long
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ben_thatmustbeme it unclutters the spec
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tantek which, as we have discussed before is so important, and so often neglected (e.g. specs WITHOUT implementation first) that it must be included
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aaronpk i just can't imagine the HTML spec listing out implementations
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tantek to correct that erroneous mindset
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tantek older specs like HTML didn't need to list implementations
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ben_thatmustbeme micropub is getting pretty long kevinmarks
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tantek though if you look at TimBL's original publication of HTML, he *did* list implementations on a nearby page linked directly from
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tantek the problem is this
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tantek the culture of rough consensus and running code has been lost
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kevinmarks that specs tend to abjure exampwls and implementations in favour of metadescription and BNF is an antipattern
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tantek previously that culture was so dominant
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tantek that you didn't have to list implementations - people always knew and could depend on implementations existing for specs being proposed
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kevinmarks IETF specs used to have examples in
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tantek because no one would dare propose something without running code
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tantek but now, you have so much academica / enterprise-architect theory-noise
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tantek that we need to be explicit
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aaronpk having an "implementations" header and linking to a page from the spec would be great
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tantek disagreed again about separate page
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kevinmarks I agree we want a list of implementations, but having it at the top is unwieldy
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tantek because they people don't click through
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kevinmarks so move it to the end
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tantek whereas if someone reads front to end
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tantek they eventually come across them
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tantek on IWC it is different
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tantek because it shows critical mass for something *up front*
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tantek and it encourages others to implement and add themselves
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kevinmarks the ToC will still show that
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tantek it's an important part of the feedback loop
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tantek when you *scroll* through a list of implementations, that has a psychological impact
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tantek wow this is real
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: disagree about "encourages others to ... add themselves"
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ben_thatmustbeme when there is a large list already i see it and go "good it has plenty of support, i'm going to implement it too"
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ben_thatmustbeme but i don't bother to add myself
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kevinmarks hm, silo.pub isn't listed
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tantek pretty sure it is
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ben_thatmustbeme encourages to implement when its a long list, engourages to add yourself when its short
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: counterpoint that http://oauth.net/2/ gets plenty of pull requests with people adding their libraries and services. granted that's not the spec page, but it's the "official" list of OAuth 2 implementations
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tantek do you even ctrl-f ? ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme at least for me
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub#Services_Examples
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gavinc http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention#Implementations collapsed rather then having all the notes to read over?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: that page is also implementations page, not a spec, they link to the spec FIRST though
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tantek I've tried to be very deliberate about the sections on the wiki
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tantek er, wiki pages
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tantek dfn, Why, How to, IndieWeb Examples
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tantek understanding, justification, teaching, reality-check
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ben_thatmustbeme thats a good order
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ben_thatmustbeme but /micropub is NOT in that order at all
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kevinmarks I think we're agreeing
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aaronpk we don't even have a "why" section on micropub
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tantek we should!
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kevinmarks move sectiosn 1-6 below section 9
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tantek way better than "Abstract"
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tantek sigh
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ben_thatmustbeme either a seperate page or moving to the bottom is fine with me, but definitely should not be up front
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kevinmarks put Why upfront
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: for a standalone spec page, apart from the wiki, I agree that putting IndieWeb Examples & Implementations towards the end
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ben_thatmustbeme "Abstract" is too abstract, hehe, I like "why" as a section header too
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tantek abstract--
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tantek why++
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tantek Abstract is specs is a leftover from academic papers
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ben_thatmustbeme more random karma for things
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ben_thatmustbeme !karma random
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tantek randomkarma++
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+29) "move examples below "how to"" (view diff)
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tantek randomactsofkarma++
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aaronpk now we just need a "why" section
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tantek look at /Webmention#Why for a good start
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tantek and way of thinking about it
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tantek similarly /h-entry#Why
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aaronpk also I think I might add one level of headers to the examples so that there is a single Examples section with everything under it
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aaronpk heck we have a top-level "Client implementation requests" section that should probably get moved somewhere else
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kevinmarks I see that aaronpk just made the exact edit I was previewing :D
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tantek aaronpk: yes, such "Advocacy" can be moved to a separate page (or auto-omitted from the "spec" styled version)
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tantek Examples are another good example of contextually different hierarchy
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tantek on the IWC site, it makes a lot of sense to specifically call out, list, and emphasize IndieWeb Examples *first*
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tantek (before other examples)
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tantek for a spec page, it may be ok to mix them
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tantek or flatten them
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+101) "move all examples sections under new "Examples" header" (view diff)
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aaronpk sounds like we need to add some...structure to the page so that I can reformat it into the spec version
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aaronpk if we marked all the sections of content with microformats classes I could use the mf2 parsed version to rearrange things
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tantek except that then places undue burden on future editing
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tantek which equals likely getting out of sync / neglected
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tantek "marked all the sections of content" lol - it's all supposed to be content ;)
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aaronpk i just mean things like wrap the indieweb examples section in a div
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aaronpk the individual sections of content
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tantek "just" ... "things like" <-- determining that "like" is the hard part! not just now, but in the future
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aaronpk okay fine concrete example. you suggested flattening all the examples to avoid having the indieweb examples first in the spec version.
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aaronpk if each example is wrapped in a <div class="e-example"> then they'll show up in the parsed version and I can re-render that as a single list
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kevinmarks wrap them in a <details><summary> then tantek will see them all in firefox and all the other browsers will collapse them
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kevinmarks :)
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tantek aaronpk - that's a perfect example of an authoring requirement that will easily get forgotten
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aaronpk well i'm out of ideas then
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tantek better is something explicitly visually structural
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aaronpk the only other option i can think of is maintaining a completely different document
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tantek e.g. if you know to look for examples in "Examples"
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aaronpk which sounds way worse
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tantek then you know to flatten the list(s) inside
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aaronpk yeah i don't want to parse HTML because it's hard
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tantek no extra markup burdens for authors
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tantek lol
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aaronpk that's the whole point of microformats
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kevinmarks does anyone implement the outline algorithm in html5?
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kevinmarks looks https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Sections_and_Outlines_of_an_HTML5_document "There are currently no known implementations of the outline algorithm in graphical browsers or assistive technology user agents, although the algorithm is implemented in other software such as conformance checkers."
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kevinmarks nope
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tantek exactly, consider the HTML5 outline algorithm dead
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ben_thatmustbeme we should all start sending http:User-Agent headers
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Loqi agreed.
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme wrong room there
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GWG What is this about rearranging the micropub page?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this about rearranging the micropub page" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/107q
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tantek GWG it's already happening
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gavinc Yeah, I think it's safe to say outlining is dead :(
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GWG Tantek, when I wanted to move examples didn't you have issues?
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kevinmarks the ToC in the micropub page parses as XOXO though
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tantek gavinc - wat - the "outline algorithm" had very little to do with any necessary outlining use-cases
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tantek GWG - yes, I had issues about moving them to a separate page
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tantek which I still do - for the reasons (re)explained
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gavinc tantek: yes, sorry that's what I meant
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gavinc chances of it being implemented vs an outline based on ranked hN tags seems unlikely
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GWG What is next for the specification?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "next for the specification" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/107r
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zero-gravitas Are there any good existing examples of POSSE implementation with Jekyll?
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gRegorLove What is Jekyll?
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Loqi Jekyll is Ruby software that helps you create "Simple, blog-aware, static sites" suitable for static domain hosting https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll
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gRegorLove That page might have some info^
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zero-gravitas not really, there's a link to somethign for webmentions in Jekyll but that's really it. OK, will have a go at it myself
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aaronpk zero-gravitas: check out Bridgy publish, it would work well with Jekyll
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zero-gravitas @aaronpk will have a look at it
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tantek hey IndieWebCamp SF co-organizers - I've asked Andi of CascadeSF to help with Eventbrite setup of IWC SF (she volunteered to help with copy editing etc.)
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tantek Any problems with Andi just using her CascadeSF account to create the Eventbrite event? I'm fine with it myself - wanted to ask around.
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tantek kylewm: ^^^
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andicascadesf Hi everyone.
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Loqi andicascadesf: tantek left you a message 23 hours, 16 minutes ago: want to go ahead and create the Eventbrite event? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-23/line/1448319093063
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tantek welcome back andicascadesf !
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andicascadesf yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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andicascadesf hahaha
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tantek andicascadesf: I think Loqi likes you
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Loqi :)
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andicascadesf I’m flattered. Hi Loqi *bats lashes*
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andicascadesf How long would it take to setup an email address like eventbrite@indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk I can do that very quickly
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tantek aaronpk++
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andicascadesf awesome. not sure if we should use that naem
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Loqi aaronpk has 11 karma
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andicascadesf *name
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andicascadesf but maybe events@indiewebcamp.com
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tantek both seem good - whichever y'all prefer
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andicascadesf so once you have that setup, please let me know and I’ll go ahead and create an Eventbrite account, and give everyone the password.
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andicascadesf I think events is better.
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aaronpk sure thing. would you like the emails forwarded to you?
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andicascadesf andi@cascadesf.com
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aaronpk done
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andicascadesf woop woop
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andicascadesf password?
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andicascadesf ah if it autoforwards I don’t think it matters
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aaronpk yeah there is no email password
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andicascadesf Thank you
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andicascadesf Did you guys like the copy?
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andicascadesf @tantek
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tantek sorry was afk
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andicascadesf That’s okay
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kylewm got permission from Facebook for publish_actions on silo.pub
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Loqi kylewm: Tino left you a message 4 hours, 23 minutes ago: happy birthday! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-24/line/1448390330553
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kylewm thanks Tino! (and everyone else :)
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kylewm for reference i requested the permission saturday and it went through today, so like 1 business day
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snarfed kylewm++ yay
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Loqi kylewm has 270 karma
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tantek kylewm++ yay for multiple ways and permissions!
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snarfed also re silo.pub, if we implement https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/560 , will the choice between silo.pub and that form bridgy publish will come down to...supported silos, supported features (e.g. person tagging), preference btw webmention vs micropub (e.g. clients)...anything else?
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kylewm yeah I think that's about right
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kylewm the bridgy way would still be better for users who want to write HTML and not procedural code
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snarfed the silo-agnostic form, yeah
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snarfed i was thinking the silo-specific proposal
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snarfed anyway, cool
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kylewm silo-specific proposal is #560?
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davidpeach evenin' all
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kylewm snarfed: I also think adding (and maintaining) new silos is much easier in silopub because it does so much less with them
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snarfed very true!
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snarfed (yeah, #560)
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kylewm and doesn't have any kind of idea of feature parity across silos
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snarfed other than user expectation
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tantek greetings campers - do anyone's micropub clients and/or servers support editing and/or deleting posts? https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub#Editing
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aaronpk my not-yet-launched p3k supports editing and deleting
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tantek e.g. kylewm does silopub support micropub editing/deleting to edit/delete posts on Tumblr, WordPress.com, Blogger, twitter, Facebook and Flickr?
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tantek (because that would be an interesting distinction from Bridgy Publish and its use of Webmention - thought Bridgy Publish could also expand to support Webmention CRUD)
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snarfed tantek: the wordpress micropub plugin supports both
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tantek nice!
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tantek I know we have broad interop on Micropub "Create" - it would be nice to know how far we are with interop on Editing and Delete