#indiewebcamp 2015-12-07

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snarfed kylewm++ cool!
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Loqi kylewm has 277 karma
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snarfed https://silo.pub/developers
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kylewm thanks :)
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kylewm I've found yet another venue to be frustrated about Facebook URLs in
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snarfed well deserved :/
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snarfed (venue, not frustration)
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kylewm haha
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kylewm thinking about just prompting the person to type in their username manually when they auth facebook
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kylewm and then living with the collapsing n-consecutive photos bug
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snarfed i wonder if you could infer the username like bridgy. maybe from rel-me?
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF/Guest_List (-396) "start Missed section, rm dup Bradley, Katie updated her RSVP with her own site, rm copy/pasteo url=, Kara was there" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: ^^^ I started doing some cleanup on the IWC SF Guest List page while I can still remember who I thought was there or not, take a look and add/remove/move as you remember too!
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 18 hours, 43 minutes ago: whoa cool! I did get notified. It said "Tantek posted a photo with you" instead of what I was expecting it to say "Tantek tagged a photo of you" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-05/line/1449380089096
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tantek aaronpk: interesting!
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tantek what is posted a photo with you?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "posted a photo with you" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108S
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tantek posted a photo with you is how Facebook states the notification to someone who has been person-tagged in a photo posted by someone else.
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loqi.me created /posted_a_photo_with_you (+163) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-06/line/1449447599484 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /posted_a_photo_with_you (+155) "linky linky, see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk wow I did not expect this to take all day
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tantek.com edited /posted_a_photo_with_you (+326) "example with citations" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+0) "next hwcs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+0) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ nonDRY burden" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+1) "move past events to recent" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+157) "/* Downtime */ citation and subsection for 2014-08-01 Outage" (view diff)
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tantek !tell kylewm could you post a FB POSSE copy of https://kylewm.com/2015/12/sf-homebrew-website-club-1 ? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm.com edited /2015/SF/Guest_List (+62) "move a bunch of RSVPs to "missed you"s. trivia: no one who RSVPed only via Facebook attended" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk when you get a chance, could you post the photos for https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club to those pages? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF (+79) "Photos stub section" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (+52) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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@Bryn_Wolf I encouraged him to go to a hackathon like #indiewebcamp or #sciencehackday because, if someone like me can go, than anyone can! 2/2 (twitter.com/_/status/673676083158368258)
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GWG Greetings all
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kylewm if I post to Facebook via silo.pub with a location set, and it doesn't find a matching place (like in the facebook DB), should that prevent it from publishing?
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 2 minutes ago: could you post a FB POSSE copy of https://kylewm.com/2015/12/sf-homebrew-website-club-1 ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-06/line/1449450376949
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kylewm or just publish without a location?
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GWG kylewm: I'm sure I've asked you this before, but what does your posting UI look like?
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kylewm GWG: kylewm.com/new
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GWG Thank you
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GWG I need inspiration
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kylewm GWG: take it for what it's worth, I kinda dislike my posting interface but it's not high on my list to fix
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GWG kylewm: But you usually have a simplicity that may spark my inspiration
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matrrix are webrings sufficiently indieweb? http://whatthefuck.computer/blog/2015/12/06/polynomial-a-decentralized-webring/
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@rrrrrrrix I think I wired up webmention support to my blog, including hooking up brid.gy to it (twitter.com/_/status/673751087002742784)
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matrrix lol
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@rrrrrrrix @rrrrrrrix I have some absolutely terrible JS that will render webmentions, too... (twitter.com/_/status/673751919173603328)
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snarfed matrrix: interesting! like http://webmention.herokuapp.com/ or https://github.com/bcomnes/webmention.js ?
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matrrix hi
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matrrix it's uh
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matrrix bad
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matrrix it uses innerHTML = in a few places :P
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matrrix looks at those instead
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matrrix Right now I'm playing with brid.gy and webmention.io
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snarfed glad to hear it
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snarfed looks like your site isn't advertising your webmention endpoint yet?
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matrrix I just pushed a change that does, I think
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matrrix <link href="https://webmention.io/whatthefuck.computer/webmention" rel="webmention"></link> <--
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snarfed ah, cool
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matrrix Posted a File: http://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/whatthefuck.computer/ViHBsPGeFXvVobUrcAIuyazM - frick.js (1KB)
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matrrix Essentially the worst thing I've written in a while, but that's because I don't do client side JS ever...
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matrrix passes out
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snarfed i can commiserate
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KevinMarks_ innerHTML is a lovely thing
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KevinMarks_ previously: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005/05/jah-ajax-without-xml.html
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@legocoder Moved my blog to #IndieHosters and becoming part of the #IndieWeb #withknown. Find me at https://t.co/WdqXSL8pud! (twitter.com/_/status/673854227790303232)
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@jaromil RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673860137157816320)
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@youproxything RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673860524761866240)
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@z3r0fox RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673862488832786433)
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@zen_flip RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673866817572483072)
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@raphaelbastide RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673867770740744193)
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GWG http://wptavern.com/state-of-the-word-2015-javascript-and-api-driven-interfaces-are-the-future-of-wordpress Learn Javascript? Oh well.
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petermolnar GWG I'm off WP if it will only work on js
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petermolnar I'm better of with django & a blog from scratch in that case
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tommorris petermolnar: Django ftw.
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@jgarber @mrcoulson Yes, they are! They’re at version 2 now (http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2) and are the foundation of many new IndieWeb technologies. (twitter.com/_/status/673873383810011136)
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@stskeeps RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673873585082081280)
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@wupunn RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673873845347074048)
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@SfietKonstantin RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673874317415874560)
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@timsamoff RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673874944665583616)
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GWG Petermolnar, I'm starting to add some Javascript, but not going native.
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GWG Most of what I started doing is AJAX enhancements.
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petermolnar there's nothing wrong with Js, but it has it's place, and what I'm currently seeing reminds me of the mouse cursor trailing balls cut&paste JS snippets from the early 2000s
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GWG I have the design philosophy that Javascript should enhance a site, not be the site.
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petermolnar agreed, but that Calypso thing is the admin interface
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petermolnar I guess naming it after a mythical beast is on purpose :/
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petermolnar ah, wait, that's the sorcerer
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GWG It is an interface. Not the interface.
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GWG It isn't a core project. It is a WordPress.com affair.
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petermolnar according to the articles about it, that is already what's more or less driving wordpress.com's admin
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petermolnar which I had loads of trouble with
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GWG The advantage of the new REST API is that you can write alternative interfaces.
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petermolnar I know
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petermolnar I'm just worried, because the tone of the announcement of Calypso points towards the future eliminating of the current admin
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GWG Me too, but I think we're safe for now.
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indiewebcamp
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GWG Good morning.
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GWG My agenda for this week is redesigning my post type display code. I am hitting a structural impasse.
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GWG Is there a good way to design code with an arbitrary number of optional properties?
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@microformats RT @jgarber: @mrcoulson Yes, they are! They’re at version 2 now (http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2) and are the foundation of many new IndieWeb techn… (twitter.com/_/status/673881167523799041)
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cweiske but you know the names of the properties?
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cweiske GWG?
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GWG Yes, but not all exist
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cweiske I don't know the name of this technique, but you can group those properties in a class
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cweiske and accept objects of this class in your methods
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cweiske better than using arrays, auto-completion wise
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tantek another /site-death coming up http://www.oldfriends.co.nz/Help.aspx?help_id=46
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tantek found via https://twitter.com/JoMangee/status/669617322525507584
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@JoMangee Anyone written an #hcard #xfn export of @TradeMe's Old Friends profile to save data before the shutdown? #lazyweb http://www.oldfriends.co.nz/Help.aspx?help_id=46 (twitter.com/_/status/669617322525507584)
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GWG I just have done it in several bad ways.
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GWG I have an object that abstracts the post metadata.
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GWG But the markup is what I need to write.
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GWG I want to switch to a single custom view for each type of post.
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GWG I suppose I just need to dig in.
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GWG Greetings singpolyma
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singpolyma GWG: hi :)
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tantek good morning GWG, singpolyma :)
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GWG Morning tantek.
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GWG sighs
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tantek now that I can post photos with person-tags I have so many photos I want to post with people!
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tantek which is going to make me iterate on my minimum-viable authoring of person-tags to make it easier / more efficient
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tantek got some good shots from IWC SF
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@vanessaleinani Thanks @scifipulse for the latest @drifterseries #webseries #indieweb #television review! http://scifipulse.net/drifter-lonesome-highway-dials-up-the-edginess-a-notch-from-broken-road/ https://twitter.com/vanessaleinani/status/673906014517723136/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/673906014517723136)
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tantek right now I'm literally keeping a local text document with a list of pre-marked-up person-tags of people sorted by name
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tantek a very coarse kind of nicknames cache
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tantek as HTML h-cards
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tantek and then manually copy / pasting those into posts
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tantek adding new people to the list as I need them
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aaronparecki.com created /Template:warning (+106) "add warning template" (view diff)
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@guyjames23 RT @benwerd: Proposal: let's stop using the phrase "Dark Web". It's the Private Web. #indieweb #tor #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/673908999314653184)
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tommorris.org edited /site-deaths (+330) "/* Upcoming */ adding Dropbox's Mailbox and Carousel shutdowns..." (view diff)
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GWG tantek, if I had to do that I'd never post.
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tommorris.org edited /Dropbox (+338) "/* Criticism */ adding Mailbox/Carousel shutdown" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, manual until it hurts
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tantek just being able to person-tag photos and have at least some of those person-tags make it to the POSSE FB copy feels somewhat magical and that's worth the manual work (for now)
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tantek there's also the value of having a working live public example to show 1) that it is possible, 2) how to make it work
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GWG I do a lot of manual posting. But not at text level.
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tantek 3) there's also the value of experimenting with the presentation details of photos and person-tags in public
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tantek and as you know, since good presentation is hard, it is worth experimenting and documenting results to improve presentation, even incrementally
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aaronpk wait what Dropbox is shutting down Mailbox and Carousel?
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 16 hours, 9 minutes ago: when you get a chance, could you post the photos for https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-02-homebrew-website-club to those pages? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-06/line/1449450634960
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tantek GREAT post rhiaro http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/12/things-happenings
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@iboxifoo dropbox LOL. #indieweb FTW. (twitter.com/_/status/673915339546095616)
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GWG tantek, I'm back redoing my presentation because I don't like how I did it. It's a learning experience, but if I'd done it better before...
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tantek "if I'd done it better before..." is unlikely
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tantek you do it better by doing *something* then by iterating
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tantek postponing doing because you want to do better usually results in nothing
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GWG tantek, how about, if I'd thought about it more earlier on,I might have done better? I would never postpone indefinitely
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tantek unknown
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KevinMarks_ could you update autolink for person-tagging, or is the need to have a data lookup limiting?
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GWG aaronpk, you use Dropbox?
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aaronpk I have been moving off of it. At this point I only use it for sharing files with other people.
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tantek kevinmarks - yes that's part of my thinking, per this entire section: https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#Plain_text_authoring
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tantek I brainstormed / designed a bunch like that in advance before I started coding, and I've coded merely a fraction of it so far, to see what feels necessary next
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aaronpk My own syncing and backups are handled through a server I have at home now.
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KevinMarks_ hm, could #@kevinmarks expand using the rel-me on twitter?
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tantek KevinMarks: it could - if the rel-me was confirmed bidirectional
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KevinMarks_ thats in effect what I do implicitly in noterlive, though I don't check backlinks
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tantek I concluded a separate function, auto_person_tag would be better than extending auto_link
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tantek see documented pseudo-code here https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#minimal_separate_field_UI
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tantek but before I automate all the things, I want to keep working more manually, and tweaking / iterating presentation, details etc.
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tantek and as they gel, start to automate the pieces that seem more solid
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tantek the way I implemented person-tags - it will let me do more manual experiments with other post features more quickly in the future
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gRegorLove Good morning, indiewebcamp
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GWG I use it to backup photos from my phone, but the field for that is expanding.
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GWG gRegorLove, greetings
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aaronpk whee now I have a letsencrypt cert installed on aaronpk.com!
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aaronpk thanks to rhiaro for letting me watch her go through all the struggle of getting it set up yesterday, now I know a lot more about how it works
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tantek what is letsencrypt?
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Loqi Let’s Encrypt is a new Certificate Authority intended to be free, automated, and open https://indiewebcamp.com/letsencrypt
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rhiaro Happy to help!
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rhiaro Can I have some of the time you saved please?
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aaronpk and now I have a command I can run to renew the cert and everything happens automatically :)
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aaronpk rhiaro: I will give some of that time to you in the form of the php mention-client library
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GWG Someone going to write a post?
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rhiaro Deal!
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rhiaro GWG: I wrote two... http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/12/https-terrible and http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/12/https-what
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tantek rhiaro: could you link to them from /HTTPS or if they're letsencrypt specific then from /letsencrypt ?
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rhiaro Sure... they're my-setups-specific. The latter is inconclusive/record of failure thus far
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aaronpk i suppose i should write up what i just did
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aaronpk opens up Quill
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rhiaro in fact, if anyone who knows better than me wants to skim the last one and maybe notice somewhere I went really wrong I would appreciate it
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tantek bear you may be interested in ^^^
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petermolnar this might come handy for letsencrypt: https://github.com/lukas2511/letsencrypt.sh
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aaronpk oh that's crazy
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aaronpk that's nice, so their API is actually publicly documented?
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /HTTPS (+267) "/* Posts about HTTPS */" (view diff)
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[aaronpk] uhoh the slack bridge seems to be down
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[aaronpk] now it's back, sorry snarfed
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aaronpk alrighty, wrote up my (quick) experience with letsencrypt! http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2015/12/07/1/
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[snarfed] np lolslack
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oddvar aaronpk, cheers
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bear @rhiaro @tantek - I'll read those in more detail later after work
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bear and after I run letsencrypt myself to see how it works
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[snarfed] morning all! anyone have any experience getting reply contexts on WordPress?
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[snarfed] pfefferle's <https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-reply-context looks promising but maybe immature
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[snarfed] and GWG's <https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/changelog/ and acegiak's <https://wordpress.org/plugins/whisperfollow/ both look like they have related code, but i don't think either provides reply contexts directly...
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GWG snarfed, my plugin has some support
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[snarfed] GWG: cool! can you elaborate? the docs don't mention it
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@nodenpm webmention (0.0.1): https://www.npmjs.com/package/webmention Command line interface for https://t.co/mksU1UKhmP. Also probably useful as a nod... (twitter.com/_/status/673931034333982720)
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tantek need - is that bengo?
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@UKCitizensVoice So another Silo drops (pun intended) some services. Time to move to the #Indieweb folks https://twitter.com/engadget/status/673912368997486592 (twitter.com/_/status/673931467546886144)
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@ScottyJordan So another Silo drops (pun intended) some services. Time to move to the #Indieweb folks https://twitter.com/engadget/status/673912368997486592 (twitter.com/_/status/673931467559424000)
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@jordan_web So another Silo drops (pun intended) some services. Time to move to the #Indieweb folks https://twitter.com/engadget/status/673912368997486592 (twitter.com/_/status/673931467492323329)
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@jordan_web So another Silo drops (pun intended) some services. Time to move to the #Indieweb folks https://twitter.com/engadget/status/673912368997486592 (twitter.com/_/status/673932390738235393)
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@ScottyJordan So another Silo drops (pun intended) some services. Time to move to the #Indieweb folks https://twitter.com/engadget/status/673912368997486592 (twitter.com/_/status/673932392860553216)
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GWG snarfed, if you set a post to reply, it will display some context and can even do so automatically. I'm iterating on that and would love feedback
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snarfed GWG: cool! so it fetches the original post, stores its content in the db, and renders based on that?
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bear tantek - yes, that is a bengo npm module
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snarfed and i'm guessing you have to use post kinds' authoring to trigger that? ie i
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snarfed ...ie it wouldn't happen if i include a raw <a class="u-in-reply-to" ...> in HTML?
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GWG snarfed, stores metadata on it after parsing. Not the raw.
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snarfed cool. as long as it fetches once and stores what it needs to render
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GWG And yes, but it is a function that can be triggered.
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snarfed interesting, ok
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snarfed how about likes, reposts, rsvps? any plans to add reply contexts to those?
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GWG Right now, it is tied to a button in the post ui
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GWG snarfed, same code.
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GWG But needs iterating
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snarfed so all four of those types get reply contexts right now?
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GWG Yes, primitive ones, but I am trying to rework them this week
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snarfed great! i may try it. maybe consider adding all this to the readme and docs on the wordpress plugin directory too. :P
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GWG snarfed, I intend to take more screenshot after the update
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GWG But there are some in the plugin page on wordpress.org
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snarfed great! screenshots don't replace text docs, but they're definitely useful too
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GWG snarfed, I value your opinion even if you don't adopt it
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GWG I know it can be better
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snarfed aww thanks! we value your contributions!
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snarfed i get big warm fuzzies every time i can add something to my site without building it myself
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GWG I just added start and end fields into my development version to prepare for events and such.
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snarfed i saw!
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snarfed did you ever try pfefferle's reply context plugin?
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GWG snarfed, long time ago. I looked at it for ideas
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GWG snarfed: Check out my site or acegiak's. Both use the plugin. Although I admit acegiak surprises me in her usage sometimes
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snarfed GWG: will do!
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snarfed the biggest factor on my end will be authoring flow. i currently use https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress , which generates raw HTML (in the custom Press This UI, not the admin UI), so i'd ideally like that to Just Work without doing anything extra
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tantek snarfed: do you use Press This UI for RSVPs?
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[snarfed] tantek: definitely!
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GWG snarfed: I experimented with bookmarklets for Post Kinds, but I never deployed. I still have the code.
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GWG I've never done a bookmarklet, but I've been experimenting with Javascript, so maybe I'll learn from more
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GWG snarfed: I keep trying to make my workflow easier.
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KevinMarks_ bookmarklets are trickier now becaus of over-eager browser blocking of js
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GWG The parsing code I wrote, I changed it to work over WordPress's ajax handling.
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GWG So technically, all you have to do is send a URL to the handler and it will return the parsed fields in JSON
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/672862218610802688
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@Pinboard I think this Christmas I’ll have a quiet holiday with Mozilla bug 866522, my constant companion for nearly 3 years https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866522 (twitter.com/_/status/672862218610802688)
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GWG I'm tempted to set up reply-context generation so it can be previewed in the WordPress Post UI.
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[snarfed] GWG: maybe! personally i want it to be all automatic, nothing interactive, but that's just me
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GWG snarfed: I do too. But I need manual editing as well.
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GWG I had complaints about automatic in the Post UI, so I switched to manual. But I would want automatic if I got a bookmarklet going.
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GWG My goal is to have the following workflow
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GWG Read article on phone -> share using Android intent -> automatic post generation.
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GWG The Android part isn't going to be coming any time soon.
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GWG Unless maybe someone writes a micropub client
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GWG Post Kinds does support Micropub, but that also needs improvement.
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GWG snarfed: Did you ever check out the refactoring I was working on with that?
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snarfed GWG: this? https://github.com/dshanske/wordpress-micropub/commit/a6179a3406575273845a21f826b703ba530a493b
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snarfed i haven't looked at that commit yet, just the rest of the PR before it: https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/pull/20#issuecomment-150829844
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GWG Yes, not done. I forgot I still had a PR open and it added it to that
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GWG I didn't branch
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snarfed refactoring is great! this one is big, though, which is always scary, so i think we probably want tests beforehand to convince ourselves it doesn't break anything
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GWG snarfed: I wanted to refactor because it would make the tests easier to write.
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snarfed got it! so then we just need the actual tests :P
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snarfed also, your ideal flow is how i currently reply/like/repost, with bookmarklet free and indieweb press this.
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snarfed (i know bookmarklet free hasn't worked for you before, but there are other similar apps)
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KevinMarks_ it's hard to get an excerpt and a link through an android intent
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GWG I'll see
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GWG snarfed: I'm getting there.
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GWG KevinMarks_: I just need the link. My code gets the excerpt.
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snarfed KevinMarks_: not true!
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GWG snarfed: But with the micropub changes, your original architecture was not as flexible as stringing the post generation code onto the hooks you created.
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snarfed many big apps send both text snippet and link
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KevinMarks_ I should check again; when I looked before a lot would send one or the other
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snarfed right, probably that too. it's on the apps though; intents themselves support big and structured data
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@jf @SaraJChipps IndieWeb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/673946557985591296)
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@jf @SaraJChipps specifically, some people now Publish their Own Site, and Syndicate Elsewhere: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/673946836097499136)
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@benwerd @SaraJChipps Ouch https://twitter.com/SaraJChipps/status/673946218603655168 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/673946862152355840)
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@benwerd Ouch #indieweb https://twitter.com/SaraJChipps/status/673946218603655168 (twitter.com/_/status/673947031954591744)
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aaronpk yesterday I saw a push notification that said "___ quoted your tweet and said: ..."
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aaronpk thought that was interesting
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benwerd Interesting note: Facebook has started differentiating between native and syndicated posts in its notification text. Now says "___ commented on your activity" rather than status / photos / etc
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Loqi benwerd: snarfed left you a message on 12/4 at 8:07am: wrote up our mobile app session yesterday. feel free to revise! https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Mobile_phone_apps http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-04/line/1449245242002
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kylewm I always wonder how syndicated vs. native impacts your priority in their algorith,
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benwerd I think they're definitely promoting native harder than they were
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benwerd but it's part of a mix of factors, as always
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KevinMarks_ so sara is on tumblr - can she use a Quill/silopub combo to get what she wants there?
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KevinMarks_ http://sarajchipps.com/post/128686364912/medium-posts
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kylewm is now wondering how Known solves the facebook permalink URL problem
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kylewm hehe, $result['id'] = str_replace('_', '/posts/', $result['id']);
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@codebear @SaraJChipps I use IndieWeb tools for that - http://IndieWebCamp.com for pointers (twitter.com/_/status/673950365130321920)
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snarfed KevinMarks: if "what she wants" is author in medium and post to tumblr, then no, i don't think we have anything that can do that yet
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KevinMarks_ well, not easily
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KevinMarks_ you can export from medium as HTML
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aaronpk oh yeah I'm getting the "so and so commented on your activity" from facebook now
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snarfed benwerd et al have been looking at the medium api, and there's a known tumblr plugin, so that might be closest
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benwerd Possibly. The thing people use Medium for is, in our research, audience more than the UI - they think it gives them higher reach (and it may do), and the built-in stats really help with that
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@tinokremer @SaraJChipps in fact, I'm using my domain as a consolidated #indieweb home. I still blog too :) (twitter.com/_/status/673952697826058240)
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benwerd Also, I think rounding on someone who dismisses blogging is probably not a great way to spread the word, and I regret retweeting Sara's original tweet
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tantek what is the facebook permalink URL problem?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "facebook permalink URL problem" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108T
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snarfed what *isn't* the facebook permalink URL problem, amirite? :/
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tantek benwerd - it's a good question - perhaps following up with another question would be better, like, what did or does blogging mean to you?
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singpolyma benwerd: that's why I tried medium the one time I used it
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kylewm The facebook permalink URL problem refers to the issue that POSSE implementations may face, where it is difficult to guess a post permalink URL based on the ID that Facebook returns. The other direction is even more difficult (or impossible), IDs cannot be guessed based on a post URL.
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kylewm I keep doing that wrong
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kylewm The facebook permalink URL problem is an issue that POSSE implementations may face, where it is difficult to guess a post permalink URL based on the ID that Facebook returns. The other direction is even more difficult (or impossible), IDs cannot be guessed based on a post URL.
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Loqi ok
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benwerd Yeah, I'd go so far as to say that the hardest problem in indieweb isn't design or microformats or API tech; it's exceeding the discovery and promotion experiences of the silos
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kylewm what is an app-scoped ID?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "app-scoped ID" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108U
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aaronpk of course
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tantek what is the discovery and promotion experiences of the silos?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "discovery and promotion experiences of the silos" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108V
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kylewm app-scoped ID is an identifier given to a post or other silo entity that is only relevant within a particular app. It is useful for preventing apps from leaking private information to each other, but makes some aspects of POSSE and backfeed exceedingly difficult.
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Loqi ok
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@tinokremer An impressive list of sites that went silent over the years. #indieweb, self controlled rocks! http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/673956286749417472)
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@tedcurran RT @timklapdor: @podehaye @holden Sandstorm is a great example of what’s possible. Mix in some Domain of Ones Own & dash of IndieWeb. It’s … (twitter.com/_/status/673970414905778178)
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tantek huh, now I really want public caches of people's personal site, twitter, fb profiles
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KevinMarks_ weird indieweb headline "Mrs. West took to her website to announce the name of her and Kanye's new baby boy. "
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KevinMarks_ except twitter doesn't link to hert website o_O
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@RussellHay I'm going to redesign my website soon, and probably make sure it meets the requirements of #IndieWeb https://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/673975836471517184)
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@kevinmarks “Mrs. West took to her website to announce the name of her and Kanye's new baby boy” but no link @twitter? https://twitter.com/i/moments/673959585540100098 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/673976340832325632)
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bear tantek - the stats crawler I run has captured daily the html and mf2 data for 230(ish) indieweb sites for the last year
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bear for example it has 448 json files for waterpigs.co.uk
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ben_thatmustbeme wow bear
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bear I wonder if I could create a similar call for the discovered silo link in a user's h-card
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bear and store them
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bear adds that to his itch list
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acegiak snarfed GWG: The reason I don't like fully auto post-kinds
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acegiak generation of the metadata is because I have two other plugins populating the metadata depending on the usecase
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acegiak and the fully auto behaviour on post-kinds was messing with the data that got populated by those other fields
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acegiak other plugins*
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://snarfed.org/2015-12-07_bridgy-stats-update http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/snarfed.org/2015-12-07_bridgy-stats-update
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snarfed bear++
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Loqi bear has 86 karma
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snarfed hey bear, any plans to work on the UI for looking at that data?
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snarfed e.g. indie-stats.com currently 500s when i log in :P
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snarfed (or even, barring UI, just serving the crawl data publicly or semi-publicly, per domain or whatever)
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bear 500? oh poo, something broke
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bear ! tell snared can you file a bug with the url here - https://github.com/bear/indie-stats
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bear !tell snared can you file a bug with the url here - https://github.com/bear/indie-stats
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, is it worth me putting mf1 stuff in places anymore?
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cweiske bear, I opened that bug ages ago
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cweiske https://github.com/bear/indie-stats/issues/2
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snarfed https://github.com/bear/indie-stats/issues/2
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snarfed :P
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bear thanks - i have it open now on my "what should I work on for fun tonight" browser tabs
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bear oh crap - that's been there a while - sorry!
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ben_thatmustbeme lol, i figured the service was dead honestly
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ben_thatmustbeme i get the same thing
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bear not dead, just neglected
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ben_thatmustbeme cweiske++ for your determination of constantly poking the bear
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bear I'm not good at web stuff, so each feature will come about only by someone asking for it
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bear cweiske++
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snarfed thanks bear!
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snarfed also filed https://github.com/bear/indie-stats/issues/8 just now
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bear cool - I wanted a way for the json blobs to be retrievable
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bear snarfed++ for adding feature requests
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ben_thatmustbeme once i can log in maybe i'll add some too :P
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bear hmm, can't even login as myself
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bear goes to dinner
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bear afterwords, some fixifying
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GWG acegiak, I agreed with that. But sometimes it is good. I intend to set up a way to automatically generate a post, but not through the Wordpress post UI.
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matrrix So has anyone got webmention.js to work in Firefox? I have it working in Chrome but not Firefox
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matrrix http://whatthefuck.computer/blog/2015/12/06/polynomial-a-decentralized-webring/ for example has mentions in Chrome, but the JSONP is never downloaded in Firefox
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kylewm matrrix: working in my firefox
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matrrix Weeeeeeird.
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matrrix I must have some privacy bullshit getting in the way, actually
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matrrix oh yeah privacybadger got me
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matrrix hah that was two hours of debugging
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snarfed matrrix: i'm guessing you saw that webmention.herokuapp.com is a lot more mature and maintained than webmention.js...?
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aaronpk what is webmention.js?
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matrrix webmention is cool as cool
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webmention.js" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108W
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matrrix Yeah, I did, but then it'd have to be this whole thing
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snarfed diversity++ i guess
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matrrix aaronpk: https://github.com/bcomnes/webmention.js clientside js for webmention.io
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matrrix snarfed: Honestly, I mean to switch to it, but this "works" for now
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matrrix this is the first time my blog has had things like comments in like 4 years
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snarfed matrrix++ cool!
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snarfed matrrix: re "what is," http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi#Commands_and_Queries
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Loqi woot!
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aaronpk webmention.js is a Javascript library for displaying comments and likes from the webmention.io service https://github.com/bcomnes/webmention.js
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Loqi ok
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matrrix oh nice
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matrrix bots <3
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://notizblog.org/2015/12/07/10-jahre-notizblog/ http://news.indiewebcamp.com/de/notizblog.org/2015/12/07/10-jahre-notizblog/
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j12t FYI: UBOS beta 5 is here: http://ubos.net/blog/2015/12/07/ubos-beta5-available.html
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j12t so far, more open bugs than karma :-P
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://notizblog.org/2015/12/07/10-jahre-notizblog/ http://news.indiewebcamp.com/de/notizblog.org/2015/12/07/10-jahre-notizblog/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://ubos.net/blog/2015/12/07/ubos-beta5-available.html (from https://kylewm.com/2015/12/bookmark-of-ubos-beta-5-single-command-firewall-configuration) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/ubos.net/blog/2015/12/07/ubos-beta5-available.html
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aaronpk \o/
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