#indiewebcamp 2015-12-18

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@deieio trying to make a wordpress install more indieweb friendly with mixed results. (twitter.com/_/status/677641142339559425)
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@deieio indieweb plugins/senpress theme easy to find and install but i can't seem to actually write the html needed for h-card/rel-me stuff (twitter.com/_/status/677641399454580737)
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bear.im edited /HTTPS (+108) "add link to securityheaders.io to the production testing section" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Interesting Bridgy request from that thread ^ https://twitter.com/deieio/status/677642227821187072
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@deieio i'd also like the ability to remove some connections to bridgy. i can disconnect, but i can't remove myself from the user list. (twitter.com/_/status/677642227821187072)
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gRegorLove GWG, maybe you could help with https://twitter.com/deieio/status/677641399454580737
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@deieio indieweb plugins/senpress theme easy to find and install but i can't seem to actually write the html needed for h-card/rel-me stuff (twitter.com/_/status/677641399454580737)
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snarfed i don't understand the bridgy tweet. if you disable your account, it removes you from the user list
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snarfed i'll try to reply
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gRegorLove I read it as: would like bridgy functionality, but not to appear in the user list
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gRegorLove Based on later tweet https://twitter.com/deieio/status/677642951850332160
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@deieio It shouldn't be hard to have a website that pushes my thoughts out and pulls my content from whatever service in the year 2015. (twitter.com/_/status/677642951850332160)
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kylewm snarfed: here is a profile that appears disabled but is still in the user list https://brid.gy/instagram/_kylewm
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snarfed kylewm: that one's paused. subtly different
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snarfed also confusing because under the covers we use status=disabled to mean paused, and features=[] to determine whether you're visible
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snarfed if you re-auth, then disable, it'll disappear
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kylewm I can't reauth because I changed my account name :(
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snarfed oh wow, really?
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snarfed huh
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snarfed i guess email whoever runs it and hope for the best
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snarfed but i mean it's a free service and all so don't get your hopes up
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snarfed :P
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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Loqi tantek: Jeena left you a message 3 hours, 38 minutes ago: I'm not sure I will be back from the winter hollidays untill the dec 30 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-17/line/1450388186270
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tantek totally fair Jeena - happy holidays!
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GWG Good evening, friend tantek
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ben_thatmustbeme good eventing tantek
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tantek good evening GWG and good news!
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GWG News?
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GWG I await news with cautious optimism
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tantek I (finally) visited the Mozilla NYC (Manhattan) offices tonight
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GWG Assuming that means you are in NYC
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tantek correct
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GWG Welcome
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GWG Hope you had a nice flight
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tantek and suffice it to say, there is space to do a 8-15 person IWC NYC on a weekend
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tantek GWG, not bad for redeye to EWR
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GWG When is good?
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tantek and the Moz NYC folks are excited to be hosts for an IndieWebCamp
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GWG I'm excited to be hosted
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tantek I think the when is up to us
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tantek I'm thinking we should plan at least two IWC NYC in 2016
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GWG I'm up for it.
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tantek very glad to hear it
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GWG I'll tell all my interested friends.
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tantek the nice thing about the limited space is that 1) it easily fits what we had in 2014 for IWC NYC #'s, and 2) we can do strict ticketing i.e. via Eventbrite and have a waitlist and all that
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kylewm snarfed: lol, free service, don't get your hopes up, were you talking about bridgy or instagram? :)
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GWG tantek: There may be Indiwebcamps in NYC in 2016
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GWG There. Doine
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tantek heh :)
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snarfed kylewm: bridgy :P
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GWG I really need to meet more local interested people
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tantek and if we hit capacity then we get to announce as much and tell people to sign-up sooner next time
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tantek The Mozilla people in NYC are great
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+355) "subheads for cities, add some "interested" lines, note we have a venue for limited NYC attendance (enough to handle 2014 level crowds plus a bit more). let's get this 2016 IndieWebCamp organizing started!" (view diff)
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GWG Any proposed dates?
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tantek GWG - go for it - add yourself to all the IndieWebCamps you are interested in and/or want to help co-organize
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tantek and suggest dates for any/all as well
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[snarfed] whee, finally added minimal reply contexts to my site. eg <https://snarfed.org/2015-11-24_kyle-mahan-maybe-relevant-im-considering-playing-with
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[snarfed] not ideal, but it's a start
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kylewm @snarfed nice! i think that one is linking to the wrong rhiaro post tho?
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[snarfed] hmm, I'll look
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[snarfed] pure CSS, too. no HTML or JS was harmed in the making of these reply contexts :P
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[snarfed] #notproud
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ben_thatmustbeme anyone care to see the new look for my reacji
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ben_thatmustbeme specifically, hover over them
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[snarfed] ooh
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[snarfed] nice!
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kylewm [snarfed]: I've gotta say, that CSS hack is super clever. I had no idea you could do attr(href)
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[snarfed] thanks! heh me neither until 1h ago
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[snarfed] i get real clever when it comes to avoiding php :P
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[snarfed] well
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ben_thatmustbeme attr(href) yeah, thats a thing
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ben_thatmustbeme there is a lot of css hacks that people don't use too often but can be pretty useful
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[snarfed] s/php/writing a WordPress plugin/
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GWG snarfed, my competition is CSS?
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ben_thatmustbeme oh snarfed, also with that markup, all the reacji come up as comments if you parse it
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[snarfed] cool!
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[snarfed] GWG: CSS is just a stopgap; your competition is actually embedly :P
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GWG feels inadequate
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[snarfed] aww
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GWG I've spent so much time on this....and I can be replaced with embedly?
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GWG Oh, well
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[snarfed] aww
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[snarfed] not replaced!
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[snarfed] i wasn't doing anything for reply contexts before
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[snarfed] the main reason is that I'm not excited about migrating all my existing replies etc into any new storage format
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[snarfed] CSS and JS based options work with existing in-reply-to links, no migration needed :P
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GWG I understand. But, I'm hoping to have some more intriguing things in future.
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kylewm what is embedly?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "embedly" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109x
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kylewm curious if there's a way to get embedly to parse mf2
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tantek kylewm, snarfed: took the bold step of declaring our last HWC of the year an opportunity for "Best of 2015" demos.
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tantek and an encouragement to make / report on https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments
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kylewm that's a cool idea tantek
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club (+304) "/* What */ best of 2015 demos" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme ack, my reacji goal is already done... now I need to add another :P
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ben_thatmustbeme never publicly posted it as a goal actually
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, I'm thinking I'll say I have 2 goals for jan 1... and I should be able to get one done, hopefully both
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ben_thatmustbeme 1: private posts
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ben_thatmustbeme 2: comments on comments
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ben_thatmustbeme both I have the ground-work for, but neither is working yet
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I'm thinking of spending the 25th working on achieving my goal.
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snarfed embedly reply contexts are working!
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snarfed e.g. https://snarfed.org/2015-12-07_10-jahre-notizblog-notizblog
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snarfed hrm, but not entirely
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snarfed aha, just caching. cleared, working now
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snarfed js-based progressive enhancement
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snarfed yay
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Loqi yay!
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acegiak snarfed: neat!
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cweiske does that mean we can have a separate JS-application that displays comments on a website?
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acegiak hmmm. I've been given the task of running the community website for my village and I'm shifting it to wordpress
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acegiak but there's this whole group of people who are saying we don't need a website and should just use a facebook group because it's more convenient
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acegiak So now there's this challenge sitting there to make a community website more convenient than facebook
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acegiak and although it's not a site for any single individual I think I can leverage a lot of stuff I've learned here to make it work
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cweiske or is snarfed's comment about using the embedly service?
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Jeena My indie-notes are nice and I more and more use them even for communication with some friends who have it too instead for example of using Twitter. Somehow private messages would be nice to work like that too
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@jkphl .@cedricziel @NamelessCoder Slack truly is my personal anti-pattern: A closed silo, distractive, hipster, laggy & unefficient #indieweb FTW! (twitter.com/_/status/677790630265946112)
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acegiak anyone want to let me know what's wrong with this video: https://acegiak.net/files/2015/12/VIDEO0063_7438.mp4 ?
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acegiak like, if I download it it works in my video player but doesn't work in browser?
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petermolnar acegiak I have no idea; the codecs seem to be all right
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petermolnar but it doesn't play for me either
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acegiak petermolnar, I'm trying with another compressing app that does h264
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cweiske how did you convert it to mp4?
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acegiak cweiske: I'm experimenting with different android apps
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GWG Good morning, all.
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acegiak morning, GWG
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GWG Anything going on?
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acegiak I'm trying to work out why my html5 videos aren't working
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acegiak maybe they're just too highly compressed...
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GWG My first thought is always codec support
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cweiske so not ffmpeg?
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cweiske hm
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acegiak pretty sure it's ffmpeg in the background
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cweiske I could pull out the ffmpeg cmdline examples I used for converting to mp4 and webm if that helps
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acegiak no it's ok
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acegiak I specifically want to be able to do it on my phone
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acegiak the other option would be to have my site do the compression when I upload the file
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[snarfed] cweiske: re JS app for displaying comments, do you mean like disqus? or <https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ ?
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cweiske yep, just self-hosted
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[snarfed] ah. usually the motivation for JS contents is that you can't host them yourself
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[snarfed] eg a static site
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cweiske I don't want to implement it myself
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[snarfed] er comments
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cweiske but want to host it myself :)
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[snarfed] heh
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[snarfed] if your CMS doesn't support comments, then sure, use one of those
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petermolnar the only thing JS I was thinking about recently is to do a frontend i18n engine which takes regex templates
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[snarfed] what i did is reply contexts, not comments
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[snarfed] basically a smaller version of <https://snarfed.org/client-side-reply-contexts-with-javascript
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek snarfed, did I see correctly that Bridgy Publish now supports multi-photo POSSEing to Twitter?
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tantek or is that still a kylewm test?
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[snarfed] probably the latter
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tantek is tempted to start trying with multi-photo posts until it "just works"
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[snarfed] lol
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[snarfed] best way to predict the future is to build it. :P send a PR!
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tantek snarfed, I'll do my part by providing test cases / real world examples to start with :)
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tantek what is a multi-photo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "multi-photo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109y
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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tantek does anyone else do multi-photo posts?
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GWG Good morning to you, ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek this is different than an album per se
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GWG tantek: WordPress would call that a gallery.
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tantek gallery also sounds too formal, and something you might add to
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ben_thatmustbeme thoughts on my new hover UI for reacji? https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/12/8/2/
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ben_thatmustbeme need to play with colors a bit still
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tantek that's amazing
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tantek actually kinda jealous of that
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, try parsing the mf2
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ben_thatmustbeme they come up as reply's of those various emoji
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tantek I see the comments!
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tantek lol His Lordship
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ben_thatmustbeme still waiting to see if someone starts using those
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ben_thatmustbeme :D
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tantek a multi-photo post is like a photo post, except just with multiple photos *at the time of posting*
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tantek e.g. on Instagram, people sometimes do layouts of some small number of photos all arranged into a square
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snarfed here's one: https://snarfed.org/2015-01-27_12755
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snarfed here's a better one: https://snarfed.org/2014-12-23_12146
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tantek yes that second one is great snarfed
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tantek ooh Kartik has been all over the multi-photo since 2014-07! https://indiewebcamp.com/photo#Kartik_Prabhu
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu how did you POSSE this multi-photo? https://plus.google.com/+KartikPrabhu/posts/abVAnynme5w manually?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek snarfed - multi-photo checkin!
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tantek which is it? can't tell from the presentation. time to look at the source.
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tantek looks like an article with two photos and a check-in inside
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tantek snarfed - did you POSSE https://snarfed.org/2014-12-23_12146 anywhere?
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snarfed tantek: probably!
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tantek oh right, invisible syndication links, I keep forgetting to check for those
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snarfed may not even have those though
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snarfed ah nm, it does. facebook.
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snarfed may have come from https://github.com/snarfed/ownyourcheckin
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tantek.com edited /photo (+614) "/* Ryan Barrett */ add multi-photo example, with POSSE copy, with individual POSSE photo copy permalinks!" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed - doubtful it came from ownyourcheckin because the FB POSSE copy is definitely a photo (collection) that has location information, rather than FB check-in
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tantek unless that's what ownyourcheckin does?
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snarfed yup
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snarfed your interpretation of FB's post types is more explicit and optimistic than theirs is :P
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tantek I'm looking at the details of e.g. what icon they use for location vs check-in
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tantek the differences are subtle but definitely there
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snarfed also remember many FB posts have multiple different underlying objects, visible at different URLs, with different ids, renderings, and API representations
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snarfed which we only partially understand
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snarfed e.g. photo objects vs photo posts
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snarfed and in this case maybe also checkin post (and maybe checkin object)
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snarfed whee!
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snarfed i try not to think about it too much; that way lies madness
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tantek snarfed - I'm ok with braving that madness. someone has to.
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tantek added a few of those URLs here - they had the globe icon (public) next to to them so I assume that's ok: https://indiewebcamp.com/photo#Ryan_Barrett
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snarfed honestly i don't know that anyone has to. it comes from them 1) supporting a ton of functionality, and 2) adding new layers without removing/porting the old ones
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ben_thatmustbeme well that was fun... no more likes in my system
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snarfed i'm all for understanding some of it, but i think you'd hit diminishing returns really quickly. i expect your time would be better spent elsewhere
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snarfed up to you though!
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: oh wow interesting
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ben_thatmustbeme they have all been converted to reacji hearts
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ben_thatmustbeme any new ones will be interpretted as such
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tantek snarfed - perhaps. it does help inform nuances for things like post-type-discovery
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@jkphl is extremely happy to announce that @openSUSE will sponsor the @indiewebcamp #Nuremberg 2016 📅 Details TBA shortly 👉 https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/677882275141304320)
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tantek.com edited /photo (+18) "link multi-photo" (view diff)
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@tollwerk RT @jkphl: is extremely happy to announce that @openSUSE will sponsor the @indiewebcamp #Nuremberg 2016 📅 Details TBA shortly 👉 https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/677882514464051206)
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kylewm tantek: I added twitter multi-photo posts to silopub, that may be what you're thinking of
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tantek kylewm: ok cool
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tantek kylewm: could you add your personal site example of a multi-photo post to https://indiewebcamp.com/photo#Kyle_Mahan ?
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tantek I suppose I should u-photo both my photos in a multi-photo post before I call it that
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tantek one thing all the multi-photo posts (examples) all share - all the photos are adjacent in the post
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tantek true in a multi-photo tweet as well
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tantek as opposed to: photo text photo text etc.
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /like (+381) "/* Brainstorming */ reacji over likes?" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /like (-1) "/* Reacji vs Like */ 1st - 3rd person mix up." (view diff)
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KevinMarks would the photo/text one be a collection post?
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tantek KevinMarks: I think it could be? or it could just be an article, since articles can contain arbitrary structure like that
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tantek my first multi-photo post: http://tantek.com/2015/352/t1/building-lights-clouds-heels-cab
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tantek now to create the page
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tantek what is a multi-photo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "multi-photo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109z
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tantek a multi-photo is like a photo post, except just with multiple adjacent photos, either in a series, or tiled / arranged in some layout.
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loqi.me created /multi-photo (+159) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-18/line/1450456952283 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek hmm - wondering if a multi-photo with person-tags makes sense
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tantek I suppose I've seen people person-tag people in IG posts of multi-photos that were layed out
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tantek let's find out how this works, especially with POSSEing
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kylewm.com edited /photo (+103) "/* Kyle Mahan */ add ex of multi-photo posts" (view diff)
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kylewm multi-photo post: https://kylewm.com/2014/07/office-art-display-1 :devil:
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[kylewm] hehe, I meant :smiling_imp:
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aaronpk lol
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tantek multi-photo post with person-tags: http://tantek.com/2015/352/t2/freedom-tower-np-nyc-winter
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tantek kylewm I can't disagree ;)
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tantek photo of multi-photo :P
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@openSUSE RT @jkphl: is extremely happy to announce that @openSUSE will sponsor the @indiewebcamp #Nuremberg 2016 📅 Details TBA shortly 👉 https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/677902471759532033)
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tantek kylewm: I'm seeing broken image icons in the footer of https://kylewm.com/2014/07/office-art-display-1 - 4 broken image icons after the star
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kylewm yeah i noticed that
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kylewm I don't think there's anything I can do about it, instagram is returning Access Denied for those images
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@CarlaSchroder RT @jkphl: is extremely happy to announce that @openSUSE will sponsor the @indiewebcamp #Nuremberg 2016 📅 Details TBA shortly 👉 https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/677904693658447872)
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GWG I need some encouragement
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GWG I have been lazy all week and haven't been working on my current goal.
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GWG Can I borrow a cup of inspiration?
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tantek GWG, the channel overfloweth
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kylewm GWG: not to do exactly the opposite of what you asked for, but give yourself permission to be lazy :) maybe you are still pondering how you want to approach the project, or maybe there's some other reason you're not excited to work on it
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tantek ^^^ very good points
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GWG I have done this before though
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GWG This is my display code for context
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GWG It isn't the design I am trying to get right. I need a way to generate it that doesn't make me
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GWG a
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GWG want to rewrite it again
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@desktoplinuxah RT @jkphl: is extremely happy to announce that @openSUSE will sponsor the @indiewebcamp #Nuremberg 2016 📅 Details TBA shortly 👉 https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/677908768030609409)
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tantek.com edited /photo (+918) "/* Tantek */ automatic POSSEing starting 2015-11-08, multi-photos examples" (view diff)
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tantek and now we have 4 examples of multi-photo posts
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GWG Maybe I should take a break and work on one of the other items on my release list
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Guest64091 Ooh, calling PDX "IndieWeb Summit" on /Planning. I like it.
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning (+26) "/* Summit */ interested" (view diff)
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GWG I'm w
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GWG waiting for the Indieweb foundation to be formed. We need more swag.
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gRegorLove tantek: No more votes on HWC dates. Might come down to your choice :)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+56) "Added 2016 row" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove: no pressure :P
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tantek speaking of - I'd like to organize IWC NYC soon into the new year
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GWG Did I see someone say NYC?
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tantek GWG - how's your January and February weekends look
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GWG No plans. I work Sunday afternoons though
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tantek ah, then you'd have to do Friday Saturday for two days in a row?
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GWG Friday and Saturday are my days off.
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GWG In January, the coworker who might cover my Sunday took the month off
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tantek kylewm: https://kylewm.com/2014/06/untitled-1 is a great post
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tantek.com edited /2014 (-10) "/* West Photos */ see also more photos" (view diff)
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GWG I just want to know when someone other than me is available
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tantek GWG - time to start putting down some candidate dates!
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tantek.com edited /multi-photo (+3552) "why, how, indieweb examples, sort by date first multi-photo published" (view diff)
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@workerbeedrone RT @jkphl: is extremely happy to announce that @openSUSE will sponsor the @indiewebcamp #Nuremberg 2016 📅 Details TBA shortly 👉 https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/677931100589588481)
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@workerbeedrone @jkphl @openSUSE @indiewebcamp great to see @openSUSE growing & thriving! #WINNER (twitter.com/_/status/677931423899058176)
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@andigalpern @machinehuman I'm an advocate of the #indieweb. ;) (twitter.com/_/status/677931589112741888)
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@jkphl @workerbeedrone Great to see the #indieweb having another strong supporter! ;) +@openSUSE (twitter.com/_/status/677932306913472512)
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tantek what does everything think of planning on average one IndieWebCamp a month?
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tantek (preferably in a different city, though doubling up on a city at least 3 months apart has worked in the past too)
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Loqi [bridgy] Joschi Kuphal 吉 replied '@workerbeedrone Great to see the #indieweb having another strong supporter! ;) +@openSUSE' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/677932306913472512)
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Loqi [bridgy] WorkerBee replied '@jkphl @openSUSE @indiewebcamp great to see @openSUSE growing &amp; thriving! #WINNER' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (https://twitter.com/workerbeedrone/status/677931423899058176)
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tantek.com moved /2015/DC to /2016/DC "Try again for 2016"
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snarfed ok, tantek inspired me to try to find my first multi-photo post. might be this one: https://snarfed.org/2003-11-20_were_not_in_kansas_any_more
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tantek snarfed, first intentional ? there was that other that was a check-in with two photos or two photos location tagged
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tantek oh this is earlier ok
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snarfed cue the debate over what exactly constitutes a multi photo vs photo vs article vs etc.
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tantek snarfed: I'd say that's a good example of an article instead of a multi-photo post
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tantek especially since the photos aren't yours, but rather, citations of others' photos
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snarfed sure. i glaze pretty fast at post type debates, whether explicit or implicit
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tantek but this is beyond type, this is about authorship/creation
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snarfed i guess
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snarfed that part is news to me. does it need to be added to http://indiewebcamp.com/multi-photo ?
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tantek they're not your photos, so they're not your photo posts.
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tantek right at the top
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tantek " photos interspersed with narrative text, use an article instead. "
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snarfed i was referring to the authorship/ownership point
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tantek ah
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snarfed and we're kind of making up all these post type definitions, right? half following silos, half just our intuition and design choices?
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snarfed which is totally fine, just interesting
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tantek we're not totally just "making them up"
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tantek we're observing publishing patterns among people, silos, and when those patterns coalesce into consistent patterns, then we name them
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tantek and then attempt to describe the boundaries of the clusters
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snarfed ok. understood
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tantek otherwise you end up with semantic web ocean boiling
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tantek and there's already plenty of other people working on that. they don't (or can't really use) any help
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snarfed i guess as an outsider, it seems a bit similar
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KartikPrabhu ocean boiling! lol!
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 5 minutes ago: how did you POSSE this multi-photo? https://plus.google.com/+KartikPrabhu/posts/abVAnynme5w manually? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-18/line/1450452813202
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tantek snarfed - except our documentation cites real world examples, and the particulars there-of
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes. All POSSE to G+ is manual
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tantek big difference between that, and handing down a schematic hiearchy from on high as if it's the 150 blessed object types
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snarfed sure. i knew that comment would be controversial. but i expect we can often find counterexamples too. the bright vs fuzzy lines part was more my point.
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snarfed it seems like we draw the post type boundaries with brighter lines than in the real world, and then insist on those bright lines going forward
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tantek the point is not the existence of counter-examples or exceptions, but rather are there strong enough clusters of patterns to deserve naming as separate phenomenon
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tantek very little in science is based on 100% patterns
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snarfed sure
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KartikPrabhu much little in design is based on 100% patterns
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I mostly see these types of things on the wiki as guidelines. I break them on my site if I want to
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: which is great, except you're not an island. other people will run e.g. post type discovery on your posts, and make behavior decisions based on that
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tantek snarfed, hence yes, it's inevitable that any terms / boundaries we apply to existing clusterings of behavior will leave some edge cases out
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snarfed yeah, which is fine
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: yes. I usually have a safe markup so nothing is lost if people use post-type discovery
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snarfed so maybe my first multi-photos were https://snarfed.org/2004-11-14_hoogleween and https://snarfed.org/2005-01-01_oh_yeah_youre_married_now
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KartikPrabhu e.g.: I put some content on my likes, basically noting why I like it. People don't parse content of like but that is fine
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snarfed some do! just not all.
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snarfed (heh, back to fuzzy lines and edge cases, which are ok)
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KartikPrabhu yup
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ben_thatmustbeme https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/677937737186459648
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@dissolve333 New reacji UI, backfed reacji from twitter now working, and all likes are now converted to reacji hearts!… (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/12/18/1/) (twitter.com/_/status/677937737186459648)
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ben_thatmustbeme chopped the #indieweb
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tantek snarfed, harder than multi-photo has been /quotation
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tantek in terms of drawing those boundaries
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snarfed i bet
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tantek in some sensible way
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snarfed so that's one way to phrase my unease. i totally get the sociological value of investigating and describing these patterns
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snarfed i'm less convinced about then writing code and logic that codifies them into software features too specifically
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tantek snarfed, that's a good concern to capture on /post-type-discovery
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snarfed i like the shift we've seen here toward authoring by just putting pieces together, and then discovering post type after the fact
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tantek yeah
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snarfed i just wonder if even post type discovery could benefit from being higher level, shallow, less gotta-catch-em-all
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snarfed sure, will do
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tantek snarfed, for example: https://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#Instead_use
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tantek.com moved /2015/NYC to /2016/NYC "For the first IWC NYC in 2016"
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tantek.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (-38) "no NYC for 2015. It's ok, we can do 2 in 2016 :)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+902) "collapse twinkle & potential, move NYC to the top, let's make it happen first thing next year, potential NYC dates!" (view diff)
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tantek GWG ^^^
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tantek let's do this, start voting on some dates
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KevinMarks is in NYC 10-13 Jan
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GWG Who else is a possible attendee for an NYC event?
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aaronpk ooh I am planning an unrelated trip to NY in April/May...
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tantek GWG - add your votes! https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#New_York_City
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tantek KevinMarks - have you bought your tickets yet? Add your votes too! https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#New_York_City
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GWG I have no plans for February or January, so I figured i'd let possible out of towners narrow it down before I voted.
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: is an IWC NYC in the realm of possibility for you via train? even for one day?
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KevinMarks yes, bought tickets yesterday
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tantek ah well
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, unlikely, but it might be possible
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tantek feel free to add some +0s for the "might be possible" days
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KevinMarks gillmor gang
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tantek aaronpk, what do you think of early June for IWC Summit in Portland?
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aaronpk sounds fine to me!
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GWG I'm free June 13-19
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tantek GWG I'm unfortunately in London for a Moz allhands then
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tantek btw, add more info re: Summit dates here: https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#Summit
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tantek KevinMarks - recently in IndieWeb, many more of us are posting "video posts" on our own sites, that work cross-browser and cross-device, WITHOUT JAVASCRIPT!!!
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KevinMarks finally
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tantek recently we're trying to figure out multi-photos, like the way Twitter lets you tweet multiple photos in one tweet.
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KevinMarks though acegiak had some trouble
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tantek recently?
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tantek we've all had trouble in the past with video
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KevinMarks this morning
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KevinMarks http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-18/line/1450439163988
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tantek 404 on that mp4
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tantek KevinMarks: I'd say go with what's on https://indiewebcamp.com/video
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tantek anything not captured on the wiki is probably too experimental / ephemeral to be worth talking about on someone else's podcast
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GWG tantek: Doesn't it depend on the podcast?
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tantek not AFAIK.
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tantek if it's not captured on the wiki it's likely just rumors / idle chatter
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tantek thus not worth broadcasting into someone else's podcast
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GWG Idle chatter is the hallmark of podcasts
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KevinMarks especially GG
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tantek direct idle chatter yes. rebroadcast idle chatter is tabloid.
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KevinMarks what's happening next year?
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GWG The Earth will continue revolving around the sun?
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GWG I hope?
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aaronpk what is 2016 commitments?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2016 commitments" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10A9
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk 2016 commitments is /2016-01-01-commitments
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk what is 2016 commitments?
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Loqi 2016-01-01-commitments are implementation and launch commitments publicly made by the IndieWeb community to ship on their personal sites by 2016-01-01 00:00 local time https://indiewebcamp.com/2016_commitments
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aaronpk KevinMarks: ^^
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KevinMarks that's this year, not next year
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tantek KevinMarks next year we're continuing with HWC meetups every two weeks, and planning lots more IndieWebCamps
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tantek what is 2016/
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tantek snarfed: captured the point about "your photo" at the top of /multi-photo and in more detail here https://indiewebcamp.com/multi-photo
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tantek here: https://indiewebcamp.com/multi-photo#repost_or_cite
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://mediagoblin.org/news/stripe-retreat-state-of-the-goblin.html (from http://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/12/18/2/indieweb-w3c-socialwg) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/mediagoblin.org/news/stripe-retreat-state-of-the-goblin.html
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