#indiewebcamp 2015-12-26

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tantek
Schnitz! You back for good?
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GWG
You two know each other?
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Schnitz
Yep, Alive and kicking, I will join this thingy of yours here, its cool man!
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Schnitz
Don't worry, this time I won't mess it up, like I did with Xforms ... :-)
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tantek
Schnitz: no worries, we all learn from these experiences.
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tantek
Schnitz, just got to keep saying NO to all the architecture astronomy mafias, no matter what shape they take.
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Schnitz
definitely... I watched your youtube video Tantek Çelik - The once and future IndieWeb and I like 100% agree
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tantek
Great!
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Schnitz
That was like a resurrection for me... man I felt so bad all these years
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Schnitz
for what happened to 'our' Web back then
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tantek
Schnitz: it's ok man, it's not your fault. The forces at work were overwhelming and unavoidable.
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Schnitz
true. So glad you say that. Absolutely true.
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tantek
Not until the great web schism of 2004 did we start to get somewhere. With the subsequent formation of WHATWG and microformats.org
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Schnitz
Yeah totally. I'm 100% ok with how things went on, with all the deviations and errors. Then Silos came. And were all wrong about putting user experience first. Architecture astronauts. I was one too. I know. But hey. Its a about the people. I had such a great time back then with you guys and especially you. I value that a lot and often think about all those things that happened BESIDES...
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Schnitz
...technology :-)
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loqi.me
created /architecture_astronauts (+35) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
Until that point it was an unwinnable battle. There's nothing you or I or anyone could do singlehandedly to beat the architecture astronauts.
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tantek
You were not an architecture astronaut. You built things. You built working things.
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tantek
You built things no-one had built before.
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tantek
Don't put yourself down.
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tantek
Just because we gave in to the architecture astronauts in the early 2000s doesn't mean we became them.
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Schnitz
Wow. Thanks so much dude. I felt soo ba :-)
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KartikPrabhu
wrote up a Flexbox trick I figured out for my photos display: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/equal-height-images-flexbox
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tantek
You compromised. We all did. But that doesn't mean you became them.
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KartikPrabhu
maybe useful for others
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tantek
Hey KartikPrabhu ! Cool!
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Schnitz
Absolutely man. ...
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Schnitz
KartikPrabhu: Yeah way cool dude!
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: do I need custom flex settings for each image?
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tantek
that sounds like, work.
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KartikPrabhu
unfortunately yes. I tried to figure out how to avoid that but there doesn't seem to be another way
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KartikPrabhu
each image has a diff. aspect ratio so i don't see how to have a catch-all CSS
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KartikPrabhu
would be neat if someone knows :)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: it is some work, but not as much as using non-flexbobx :P
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tantek
In my experience with multi-photo posts, I want to do such things automatically
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: pretty sure there's a way to do it
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KartikPrabhu
if you figure it out let me know! It'd be very useful
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tantek
I may eventually. Right now I just let them stack
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tantek
because it looks good on mobile
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KartikPrabhu
oh yeah mine stack on small screens too
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KartikPrabhu
you just put the display:flex in a media query
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tantek
oh yeah
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tantek
Schnitz: when you're ready to setup your site with IndieAuth, we're ready to help :)
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Schnitz
I'll do that for sure man...! Give me a couply of days, ramping up some stuff currently and then I'll be all into it :-)
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tantek
Schnitz: then we can show you how to add yourself to /irc-people so you can have a link and icon like we do in the logs: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-25#bottom
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Schnitz
perfect, makes a lot of sense, want that :-)
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GWG
It's a start.
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tantek
thanks GWG
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GWG
Now that I've documented the problem, can someone please help me figure out how to solve it?
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KartikPrabhu
here is a live example of equal heights in use: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/streets-india
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snarfed.org
edited /WordPress_hentry_problem (+731) "simple workaround"
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tantek
Hey Schnitz you're in Germany right?
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Schnitz
Did you highlight that just now for me? :-)
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Schnitz
I have a company in Nürnberg that does Semantic Web stuff BTW
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Schnitz
Tantek: Perfect, I'll be there
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tantek
Schnitz: adding a few more now
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Schnitz
ah ok... cool
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tantek
Schnitz: great - we should talk about practical web vs. semantic web
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tantek
UX web vs. plumbing web
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Schnitz
right... we should and can... however no worries, the company is using SemWeb Technology for Medical in Intranets... so nothing for the wide open web
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tantek
right, as invisible plumbing all that stuff is fine. if it helps get the job done easily, more power to you.
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tantek
when it affects the UX and makes it awkward for users, then it's a problem
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tantek
which is what often happens on the pratical, open web
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Schnitz
For the web out there... I'm totally with you, dead simple, UX first, forget about plumbing and all standards bullshit, as long as its simple and it works we're good
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+365) "/* 2016 */ note NYC and MIT being planned for 2016"
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+159) "/* 2016 */ IndieWeb summit in early June"
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell snarfed, KevinMarks supporting reacji from quote tweets is not likely to happen, I have to start removing syndication urls (truncated in the exact same way twitter does with uses the '...' single character)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
created /SF (+21) "most recent SF was 2015"
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GWG
Hello, tantek
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tantek.com
edited /2015/SF (+48) "next year"
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tantek.com
created /2016/SF (+36) "redirect to planning for SF for now"
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tantek.com
edited /Planning (+467) "/* Planning */ San Francisco, interested, can co-organize, May and December as possible months. Suggest February for Florida"
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tantek
!tell adactio want to add a "Brighton" section here and suggest some months or dates that you think would be good for an IndieWebCamp Brighton 2016?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek.com
edited /2015/SF (+163) "/* Photos */ add 4 more photos!"
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tantek.com
edited /2015/SF (+247) "/* Photos */ from, also posted on my own site"
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GWG
Good morning, gRegorLove
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gRegorLove
Morning, GWG
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GWG
What's new with you in IndieWeb terms?
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gRegorLove
I'm making good progress on reply contexts. Should hopefully have it launched today.
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gRegorLove
Using php-mf2 and aaronpk's twitter-shim. Working great so far, just working on the CSS.
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gRegorLove
Also need to account for private Twitter accounts and not show those reply contexts.
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gRegorLove
How about you?
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GWG
Working on the same problem from a design perspective actually
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GWG
Does the Twitter shim give you a PHP strict standard warning?
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gRegorLove
I don't know. I have strict suppressed
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GWG
My problem is that on some things being replied to, the author is more important than others
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gRegorLove
I can check. I presume you're getting strict warnings?
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gRegorLove
More important? How?
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GWG
I fixed it, but was considering raising it as an issue
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GWG
I haven't figured out how to distinguish multi author sites which makes the site more significant than the single author
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GWG
Example, I reply to a newspaper article vs a tweet
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gRegorLove
I'd keep it simple to start - display them the same way.
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GWG
I have been
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GWG
I want to evolve
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GWG
I display everything the same now
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GWG
A like displays the same as a reply
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GWG
I'm not sure if anyone is varying their display based on the type of url being responded to.
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[shaners]
GWG: Can you add markup examples of the wp he try issue to the wiki article please? <http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_hentry_problem
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GWG
What would you consider an example?
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GWG
I have referenced multiple discussions
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GWG
You want site examples?
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[shaners]
You tell me. Copy the HTML from a webpage that has the hentry class misused.
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gRegorLove
Something that shows where the hentry appears incorrectly
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GWG
shaners, where would you put your hentry? On what element?
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gRegorLove
Examples of where it's wrong in WP is more useful. We have /h-entry already
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[shaners]
What gregorlove said
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gRegorLove
GWG: What are the content post types WP adds hentry to that it shouldn't?
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aaronpk
i haven't checked on the twitter shim in a while. I don't think I've run it on php 5.6 yet
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GWG
page, specifically for built in types
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GWG
aaronpk, have you noticed a strict standard issue?
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aaronpk
i haven't checked yet
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gRegorLove
GWG: hentry on a WP page isn't necessarily a problem, is it?
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snarfed.org
edited /WordPress_hentry_problem (+96) "/* IndieWeb Examples */"
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gRegorLove
Man, it's easy to let your CSS selectors get out of hand.
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gRegorLove
trims his CSS
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GWG
Not always
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aaronpk
I may have just created a webmention loop to myself
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aaronpk
i need a new rule
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aaronpk
this post appears in the reply context as well as in "other mentions" https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5800/23360367143_bbf74d69b2_n.jpg
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aaronpk
so I think if a post gets a webmention from the "in-reply-to" URL of that post, it should not treat it as a regular mention
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gRegorLove
In Twitter API responses, "protected": true means the account is private, right?
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gRegorLove
I'm debating whether to still store the reply-context but not display it publicly in that case.
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[aaronpk]
Interesting
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gRegorLove
What do you do with replies to protected tweets, aaronpk?
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aaronpk
i'm not actually sure
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Loqi
[snarfed]: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 17 hours, 13 minutes ago: supporting reacji from quote tweets is not likely to happen, I have to start removing syndication urls (truncated in the exact same way twitter does with uses the '...' single character) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-25/line/1451092795051
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gRegorLove
Thanks, snarfed! #lazyindieweb :)
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gregorlove.com
edited /reply-context-examples (+266) "/* gRegor Morrill */ Updated"
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Schnitz
hey there
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Schnitz
so I added the rel="me" link to the tumblr template on my tumblr, that has my domain name on it (belp.audio) and IndieAuth tells me "belp.audio This is not a supported authentication provider." I guess its prohibited to use / hijack something like Tumblr for your one website and join IndieWebCamp with that?
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gRegorLove
Hi Schnitz. I see a rel-me to belp.audio only. IndieAuth uses rel-me links to your other profiles like Twitter, Github, etc. to authenticate you.
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gRegorLove
The domain pointing to tumblr isn't a problem though
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[snarfed]
gRegorLove: looks great!
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[snarfed]
good crowd adding reply contexts recently
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Schnitz
gRegorLove: interesting. I don't have other profiles, just Tumblr... oh wait, yes, Soundcloud, but thats it, I add a rel=me on my soundcloud link on belp.audio
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gRegorLove
Don't think Soundcloud is supported for IndieAuth, unfortunately
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Schnitz
yep, just tried this
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Schnitz
belp.audio
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Schnitz
This is not a supported authentication provider.
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Schnitz
soundcloud.com/belp-music
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Schnitz
This is not a supported authentication provider.
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Schnitz
Ok interesting. Is this a new problem? I don't have Twitter, Facebook, etc. BECAUSE they are Silos :-)
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Schnitz
whats they least 'annoying' supported authentication provider, GitHub?
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Schnitz
they = the
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gRegorLove
Probably, imo
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Schnitz
alright, thanks for letting me know. Will check that out later... TTYL
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gRegorLove
I don't have experience with it, but I think there are ways to delegate an authorization server: https://indiewebcamp.com/distributed-indieauth
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Schnitz
interesting. Thanks for the link! Will check that out!
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gRegorLove
Indieauth does support email authentication (via Mozilla Persona), SMS, and PGP.
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gRegorLove
First two require your email or phone number being in your HTML, of course.
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Schnitz
Still having troubles signing in
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Schnitz
with Mozilla Persona
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Schnitz
Everything works but then it says:
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Schnitz
Auth failed: logged in as a different user
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Schnitz
This is weird, which different user?
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Schnitz
This happens after successfully authorizing myself at Mozilla Persona
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Schnitz
Hmm really not getting it how to add my Picture for this IRC
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tantek
Hey Schnitz I don't see any rel=me links to email addresses on belp.audio
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Schnitz
Hey Tantek
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Schnitz
hey I took that one out, it was there before, no I use SMS
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Schnitz
and that worked
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tantek
whoa cool!
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Schnitz
way cool
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tantek
were you able to sign into indiewebcamp.com?
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Schnitz
just don't get it how I'm supposed to get my image in here, is it supposed to 'pull' it off some silo?
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tantek
did you edit /irc-people ?
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Schnitz
Thats the point! I couldn't!
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Schnitz
OK don't wanna sound stupid
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tantek
huh? once you sing-in you should be able to edit any wiki page!
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Schnitz
kinda seems I'm either not persistently logged in ... or I'm missing something
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Schnitz
Yeah right I know this is weird, agreed
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tantek
do you see an "Edit" link at the top of https://indiewebcamp.comt/irc-people ?
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Schnitz
Could be that with SMS login, I'm logged into the IndieAuth site but NOT IndieWebCamp?
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Schnitz
Cos it seems like I'm not logged in again, even though I did
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Schnitz
OK I will log in via SMS again now
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tantek
yes try it again starting at https://indiewebcamp.com/
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tantek
in other news, I just got poster frame support (for my video posts) working locally
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Schnitz
Ah now I see its not returning me
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tantek
realizes he didn't even document this as an itch
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Schnitz
congrats on the poster frame support
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tantek
small steps
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Schnitz
BTW in general I love what is written about tumblr
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Schnitz
I had that feeling for a while
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tantek
what in particular?
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Schnitz
Tumblr can be a first class if limited IndieWeb platform if you tweak it
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Schnitz
I will do that for a little while and then probably venture of into a completely indepedent website
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Schnitz
Tantek: http://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr ... gonna walk for this for start. Great job. Thanks to everyone for checking this out
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Schnitz
So yeah still no login
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Schnitz
I will try email again
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Schnitz
Tantek / everyone: Does anyone know of a web standards max friendly Tumblr template I can grab off somewhere? Has this been already done? Simple + clean HTML plus microformats?
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tantek
Schnitz: pretty sure it's on that very page you linked to ;)
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tantek
ok, poster frame deployed and live
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Schnitz
Shit, should have read first :-)
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Schnitz
can I see the poster frame?
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Schnitz
tantek.com :-) I guess...
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tantek
I updated my one video post to also have a poster frame upon first load: http://tantek.com/2015/346/t3/world-of-laughter-tears-hopes-fears
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Schnitz
seems to work perfectly over here...
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tantek
great! should work cross browser too :)
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Schnitz
I used Chrome / Win7 SP1 ... works
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tantek
sweet
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tantek
now to post a second video post
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Schnitz
AAAAH now I'm logged in
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belp.audio
edited /IRC_People (+48) "/* Nicknames */"
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belp.audio
edited /IRC_People (+53) "/* Nicknames */"
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Schnitz
Yup, no it works... even added a preliminary avatar image ... all good, I'm in
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snarfed.org
edited /Bridgy () "(-1597) recent stats, now backfeeds link mentions"
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Schnitz
BTW, there really might be an issue with loggin in via SMS, but cannot fully conform. Email worked fine with me. With SMS is didn't return me to IndieWebCamp from IndieAuth and then I lost my login everytime
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Schnitz
Dudes but this could at least be in XML syntax https://gist.github.com/tallus/43e09af02cbad58534a4
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Schnitz
sorry :-)
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tantek
I don't know what that is
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tantek
Schnitz: I think I added instructions for adding h-entry to any Tumblr theme
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Schnitz
wait you don't what that is... Its linked from http://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr as the Indie Web Version Theme for Tumblr
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tantek
*the* ?
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tantek
more like *a*
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Schnitz
sorry dude that what it says :-)
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tantek
ok will fix
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Schnitz
lemme check don't wanna wrong here
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Schnitz
Nono its "a"
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Schnitz
There is a indie web version theme already marked up that you can use.
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tantek
there's three
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Schnitz
right ... I really like your theme grafically, BTW
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Schnitz
Tantek, can I someone just use your theme?
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tantek
sure!
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tantek
it's pretty minimal / simple
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tantek
nothing fancy
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tantek
Anyone else here support poster frames on video posts?
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GWG
What is a poster frame?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "poster frame" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10AP
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Schnitz
is away
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gRegorLove
GWG++ for tanteking tantek
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Loqi
GWG has 133 karma
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tantek
a poster frame is a static image taken from one frame of video to represent a video (like a /video post) visually in various contexts such as a thumbnail or before the video is played.
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loqi.me
created /poster_frame (+209) "prompted by GWG https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-26/line/1451169605813 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
now to find another video to post
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GWG
gRegorLove: Who was tanteking? I didn't know.
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi messages?
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Loqi
woot!
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Schnitz
is BACK
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Schnitz
hahaha...
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Loqi
nice
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Schnitz
Loqi: r u a bot?
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi: are you a bot?
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KartikPrabhu
interesting I was sure Loqi answered that
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aaronpk
Loqi doesn't like answering direct questions
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Schnitz
No we used to have Zakim and the phrase was
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Schnitz
Loqi: How are you?
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Schnitz
not implemented
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aaronpk
RIP Zakim
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Schnitz
Oh well
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Schnitz
aaronpk: Yeah man I loved Zakim
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Schnitz
My Only Real Friend In Life, Zakim, the W3C IRC BOT
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Schnitz
hahaha
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Schnitz
just making fun
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Schnitz
Is it ok to chitchat here?
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Schnitz
I mean 'cos of the logs and such
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KartikPrabhu
usually tantek kicks us off to #indiechat for that
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GWG
We have a chit-chat room
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Schnitz
Ah I see
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aaronpk
we try to keep this channel mostly on-topic since people like catching up on the logs, so we have #indiechat which isn't publicly logged
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Schnitz
good to know
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tantek
now to POSSE video tweet manually
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