#indiewebcamp 2016-01-21

2016-01-21 UTC
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KevinMarks apart from IWC NY, anything else to plug?
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aaronpk the other 4!
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KevinMarks i did
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aaronpk I just realized a side effect of importing all my comments is going to mean all the avatars get archived too!
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aaronpk (for any that aren't already broken anyway)
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snarfed cool!
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GWG Evening
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aaronpk zomg first test comment imported \o/
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@kevinmarks I'm at Thrivable Future Salon at @IFTF in Palo Alto, talking Ceptr and #indieweb and more with @debs @NurtureGirl and many others (twitter.com/_/status/689997340627836929)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks I'm at Thrivable Future Salon at @IFTF in Palo Alto, talking Ceptr and #indieweb and more with @debs @NurtureGirl and many others (twitter.com/_/status/689998445071958017)
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aaronpk I think that if I receive a comment with no timezone information, I'm going to display it in the timezone of the post
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aaronpk but I will display it in the timezone of the comment if it provides that
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sixtwothree.org edited /FrancisCMS (+2496) "First pass at FrancisCMS page" (view diff)
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aaronpk yeah I like the way this looks
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sixtwothree.org edited /projects (+143) "Add FrancisCMS to list of projects, remove sixtwothree.org from list of Jekyll-powered sites." (view diff)
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sixtwothree.org edited /2016/DC (+180) "/* Interested */ Add to list of interested based on Twitter conversations." (view diff)
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sixtwothree.org edited /2016/DC (+640) "Updating page with possible venues, dates, etc." (view diff)
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aaronpk jgarber++
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Loqi jgarber has 4 karma
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jgarber Busy night on the wiki for yours truly!
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tantek jgarber - you could see if any of them want to do a Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday 1/27! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club
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tantek which reminds me
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jgarber Next Wednesday would happen to be Refresh DC's tenth birthday! https://refresh-dc.org
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tantek !tell adactio is there a Homebrew Website Club Brighton next week 2016-01-27? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !tell Jeena is there a Homebrew Website Club Göteborg next week 2016-01-27? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell voxpelli is there a Homebrew Website Club Malmö next week 2016-01-27? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk: could you pick a venue for next week's HWC PDX? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club#Where
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jgarber …also presuming DC survives this weekend's blizzard.
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (+427) "/* Where */ pdx" (view diff)
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tantek jgarber: I'll be in NYC this weekend for the blizzard! Whee!
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jgarber Batten down the hatches!
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (+115) "/* Portland */ RSVP and URLs" (view diff)
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aaronpk look at that a whole week ahead of time!
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GWG tantek: Just wear the silver jacket and the golden boots and the reflection of the sun off your outfit will melt all the snow.
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tantek aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 58 karma
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aaronpk last week we had 3 new people come!
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:ipod5touch-ios92-wifi-dark-grey-broken.png]]""
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tantek.com created /iPod (+701) "stub with definition, iPod Touch issues broken wifi" (view diff)
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tantek this it the problem I am seeing with my iPod Touch: https://indiewebcamp.com/iPod#Broken_Wifi
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aaronpk lol wat
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aaronpk the wifi is just gone
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tantek the apple "genius" bar tech has never seen it before
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KartikPrabhu Schrodinger's wifi, neither on nor off
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@IDisposable I hate to webmention this, but sounds a lot like ping-back... which is nothing but a spam engine. https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/?utm_source=html5weekly&utm_medium=email (twitter.com/_/status/690016501336698881)
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aaronpk oh boy, tantek's lightning bolt name is demonstrating that I have not yet solved emoji storing
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aaronpk hm actually it's stored fine, but it's not displaying on my site for some reason
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tantek ⚡️😄⚡️
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aaronpk well it shows up in the irc logs just fine
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tantek lol at the people saying webmention pingback spam and not actually reading the specs
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KartikPrabhu I can't find the wiki documentation on possible webmention spam
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tantek what is spam?
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Loqi spam is unsolicited content, often transmitted via email, submitted as blog comments or posted to popular wikis https://indiewebcamp.com/spam
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aaronpk the w3c spec even links to Vouch
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aaronpk search for "spam" on the spec page
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tantek.com edited /spam (+12) "/* See also */ Vouch" (view diff)
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aaronpk okay so I can see the ⚡️ when I view source
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aaronpk so...why is it not showing up in the browser?
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KartikPrabhu your font might not have a character for it
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KartikPrabhu specially if you are using some webfont
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aaronpk oh!
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tantek aaronpk: try Firefox :D
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: link?
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: http://pk.ngrok.io/2016/01/22/1/indiewebcamp
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tantek yup, works in FF
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aaronpk weird!
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KartikPrabhu yeah shows in FF
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tantek not weird! it's correct behavior - if a character is not present in a font, CSS has font fallback rules
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tantek for how browsers are supposed to handle it
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tantek so perhaps file a bug against the browser you're using ;)
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KartikPrabhu yes. so FF is doing it in some sane way
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aaronpk okay it's not a font issue
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tantek Firefox++ ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
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Loqi Firefox has 5 karma
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aaronpk I can see the emoji in the IRC logs in Chrome, and then I went and set the font definition on my site to the same as the IRC logs uses
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tantek.com edited /spam (+239) "/* The Coming Spam Storm */ We have a proposal, Vouch" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: when verifying vouch one should check for a rel=nofollow no?
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tantek.com edited /Webmention-faq (+140) "/* How does this solve the spam problem */ call out Vouch a bit more boldly" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention-faq#How_does_this_solve_the_spam_problem
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch##nofollow
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KartikPrabhu aah it is old notes not in the "How Tp" section
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tantek I think there was some in-progress debate re: nofollow
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tantek I would not trust nofollow links for vouch purposes
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tantek I don't remember the argument for allowing them
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@SecNewsBot Hacker News - Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690022046785343488)
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tantek I do remember it was a discussion though
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk uhoh
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tantek there it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
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tantek at #3
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tantek tries to resist clicking on HN linkbait
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aaronpk oh good not on the front page
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tantek not yet
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KartikPrabhu get ready for more "this is just stupid pingback" type reaction
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tantek that's good, that will buy us time to get more implementations and experience with Vouch
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tantek let them underestimate us
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aaronpk now i'm super confused
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aaronpk SOMETIMES i can see the lightning bolt
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aaronpk AHHHHH
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aaronpk it's the bold doing it
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aaronpk chrome isn't falling back to the non-bold character set
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aaronpk hooray now tantek's name is showing up "properly"
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miklb hey gang, what would be the best way to test if I'm **sending** a webmention?
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miklb from my blog that is
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aaronpk hmm, would it be appropriate for bridgy to un-truncate URLs in posts? e.g. https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/aaronpk/687417200991408133
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aaronpk miklb: you want something that can receive webmentions that you can test with?
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miklb aaronpk: ideally, yes. But now I'm not sure my workflow is set up properly. I think the rakefile I'm using is meant to send them on build. so not sure if this will work the way I'm doing it currently.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: you can send to this: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/test-note-totally-te
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tantek it's an FAQ right?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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aaronpk hm we should add some test URLs here http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention-implementation-guide
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KartikPrabhu don't add mine, it has all these "errors" specially XSS
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tantek doesn't indiewebify.me have some webmention testing?
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aaronpk it's about time we have an actual test receiver. would that count as part of a validator suite tantek?
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aaronpk indiewebify.me can send mentions, but not receive them
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tantek yeah
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tantek oh!
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aaronpk afaik nobody has built a generic test webmention receiver yet
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aaronpk all the testing so far is done against live webmention endpoints
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@campifra1871973 #IndieWeb #davos16 #OSCARS2016 #PONTIFEX #WEF16 #Davos2016 #911TITANICWATERGATE https://www.youtube.com/ … (twitter.com/_/status/690026894918492160)
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tantek wat
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tantek !spam campifra1871973
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tantek !spammer campifra1871973
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Loqi Got it! There are now 46 spammers blacklisted
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aaronpk i mean a test webmention endpoint wouldn't do much more than normal webmention processing. but it could be useful so people don't feel bad about sending repeated test mentions
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aaronpk to someone
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aaronpk adds it to the lsit
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aaronpk oh good lord, something is not right with importing retweets
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tantek tries to think of a clever name for a webmention test endpoint
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tantek WebAck :P
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@oscarspredictor RT @campifra1871973 #IndieWeb #davos16 #OSCARS2016 #PONTIFEX #WEF16 #Davos2016 #911TITANICWATERGATE https://www.youtube.com/ … (twitter.com/_/status/690029398376906752)
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aaronpk okay i'm pretty confused. how do bridgy RTs work?
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aaronpk i'm looking at two bridgy URLs which have a different tweet ID, but they both appear identical other than that:
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aaronpk https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/aaronpk/687413514420498432 https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/aaronpk/687417200991408133
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aaronpk i'm gonna try a different post in case this is just a fluke
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miklb beginner question…I just include the the link in a post?
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aaronpk miklb: for a simple test yes!
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miklb ie, [Kartic had some intersting thoughts](url here)?
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miklb cool, thanks.
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aaronpk later you can upgrade that to an <a href="..." class="in-reply-to"> link if it's a reply
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miklb ah
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aaronpk (okay so that was in fact just a fluke. tried with a different post and everything looks great.)
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KartikPrabhu miklb: and you can resend the webmention if you add the rel=in-repy-to and my post will update the old one :)
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miklb rel or class?
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KartikPrabhu err sorry class
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KartikPrabhu that's what happens when you switch from email to IRC ;)
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aaronpk oh my gosh, this is actually working
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miklb crosses fingers
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GWG The forecast seems better for IWC NYC
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KartikPrabhu miklb: did you send me a mention?
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miklb KartikPrabhu: sorry, 1st I literally forgot to put the link in the post, and then on second build for some reason travis ci didn't like the class included in the markdown link…so one more build to test. Sorry if you were waiting for me
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KartikPrabhu no i don't have to wait for anything. I thought you did send and there was some error on my end
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aaronpk gonna let my import script run for a while and then spot-check things in the morning to see how it did
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aaronpk when I do this for real it's gonna take several hours to import everything over!
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KartikPrabhu that is some major importing
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miklb KartikPrabhu: no, it would be completely on me. I'm probably doing it wrong trying to use travis ci & builds, but I've muddle through this far :-)
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miklb KartikPrabhu: yeah, seems I may need to think this through more probably. Might need to ask Aaron Gustafson a few Q's.
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KartikPrabhu just adding a link didn't work?
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miklb no, but again, probably in the way I'm building the site with travis & then deploying to GitHub
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miklb it builds clean, but doesn't mean everything is working
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KartikPrabhu you can use the form I have on that post to see if the problem is really on your sending side
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miklb hmm. Give me a few minutes. Going to try this from scratch. Thanks for your help
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miklb KartikPrabhu: must be something on my end, since the form didn't work either.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: it should have given an error message
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miklb oh, I got the error message
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KartikPrabhu what's the URL of your post
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miklb http://miklb.com/testing-sending-webmentions
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KartikPrabhu that is weird. The form should have picked that up
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KartikPrabhu what's the error it gave?
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miklb 500 error
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KartikPrabhu oh so that is a server error... hmm
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KartikPrabhu interesting
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KartikPrabhu miklb: that is an error on my part. Fixing now
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miklb KartikPrabhu: do you think that might have prevented the page from receiving my initial mention?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu sorry about that; the recent update to my site broke a little part
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miklb heh, I know that all too well
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snarfed http://mention-tech.appspot.com/ is a generic webmention receiver, right?
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snarfed poorly documented, granted :P
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KartikPrabhu miklb: try sending it now. my form works so you can first try your side of the code
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miklb cool
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KartikPrabhu miklb: your h-card does not have a p-name so a very long text should appear instead of your name in my "Mentions" list
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miklb KartikPrabhu: thanks, I see it, it was a typo. Had a closing </a> instead of a </span>
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miklb will be fixed in next deploy
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miklb actually, will be fixed in the test
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KartikPrabhu neat
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miklb KartikPrabhu: doesn't appear that it sent through my build :-(
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miklb will test the form now
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miklb OK, form seems to have worked, says "webmention accepted"
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miklb doesn't have the text from the post though. Was it supposed to?
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miklb something is breaking my HTML in the build process on my h-card. Investigating.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: since it is not a "reply" I don't show the HTML text
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miklb ah. OK
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KartikPrabhu I can confirm that the e-content was received correctly in my storage :)
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KartikPrabhu once you add the class="in-reply-to" it will show the text
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miklb actually, the h-card should be correct. I think web inspector was showing it wrong. If I view raw source, it matches as it should
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KartikPrabhu miklb: looking into it
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miklb brb
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miklb KartikPrabhu: did you delete the 1st mention?
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KartikPrabhu i resent the webmention but the link is incorrect so it took that as a delete
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miklb link incorrect?
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KartikPrabhu the link to my post in your post is wrong
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KartikPrabhu it has http://miklb.com/(https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/test-note-totally-te
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miklb weird. I've updated the post since then. link looks correct now
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miklb I'm going to test the form (has the class in it) and call it a night.
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miklb odd, says deleted now
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KartikPrabhu miklb: it has a "(" after the href="
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miklb crud. OK
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miklb artifact of the markdown and me not taking my time
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KartikPrabhu :)
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miklb KartikPrabhu: I appreciate your patience.
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miklb KartikPrabhu: ++
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KartikPrabhu not problem, i went through the same when writing my code
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miklb OK. Fixed link is up, appears it still isn't sending the mention. Will try form again to make sure it is appearing correctly and then revisit this part tomorrow
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miklb nope. heh
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KartikPrabhu interesting it showed up only as mention
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KartikPrabhu I'll look at it too and see if somethign else is wrong
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KartikPrabhu oh! miklb it needs a "u-in-reply-to" not just a "in-reply-to"
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KartikPrabhu u meaning it should be parsed as a URL microformat
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miklb OK, that explains that part.
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KartikPrabhu i should have seen this before... my bad
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Loqi I agree
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KartikPrabhu break a leg Loqi
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KartikPrabhu ;)
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miklb well, that will help me test it tomorrow, as I can fix that after I look into why the build is passing but not sending. Hoping it's just a matter of where the cache path is in the script
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miklb Thanks again. I must say, finding this community has rekindled my faith in the web. Reminds me of when I first starting doing this 11 years ago.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: another thing to look at it that maybe the webmention is automatically sent on a post publish but not a post update.
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KartikPrabhu so the first webmention failed due to my server error and the update didn't send any webmention
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miklb that's possible, now that I'm looking at the plugin's .yml file
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miklb I may need to delete it from there
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KartikPrabhu right, you could look at those things tomorrow...
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miklb cheers!
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KartikPrabhu night!
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KartikPrabhu what is site name?
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Loqi Site name is the explicit or implied name of a site, as opposed to the name of individual elements or pages https://indiewebcamp.com/Site_name
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kartikprabhu.com edited /Site_name (+50) "edit thoughts to add any h-object" (view diff)
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tantek huh?
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tantek what's the use case?
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KartikPrabhu as noted in page
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KartikPrabhu that is what I am tinkering with
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KartikPrabhu Bob mentioned on bob.com vs Bob mentioned on Bob's Awesome Blog
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KartikPrabhu my site is called "Parallel Transport"
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tantek is this for sites that are not people?
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KartikPrabhu sure
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KartikPrabhu my site is not a person, it's about page is "me"
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tantek the domain name says otherwise :P
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tantek instead of "Bob mentioned this article on bob.com vs Bob mentioned this article on Bob's Site Name. " how about just "Bob mentioned this article"?
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tantek this sounds like making something complicated that does not need to be, and cluttering UI with edge cases
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KartikPrabhu I want to link to the page where Bob mentioned this post
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miklb what about multi-author sites?
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KartikPrabhu because Bob might have said something interesting
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tantek Kartik right, that's where people use the date as permalink link text
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KartikPrabhu miklb: not many examples. So I am using my own site as example
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tantek again, I think this is solving a non-problem
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tantek also - from the plumbing up
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tantek instead of from common UI sketches / examples downward
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KartikPrabhu tantek: btw I only edited the page, not created it (I think)
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tantek seriously don't want to see UX that is more cumbersome than what silos provided
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tantek that's a really bad direction
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KartikPrabhu it is a problem with silos. There is no permalink to a "mention" on any silo
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KartikPrabhu if you are taking the "sites can only be people" then sure
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tantek.com edited /Site_name (+72) "use-case is not really necessary in practice" (view diff)
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tantek no I'm saying let's keep solving the sites as people use-case
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tantek instead of spending time making UX worse for edge cases
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KartikPrabhu i ran into this now so I updated it
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tantek.com edited /Site_name (+2) "/* Use Cases */ mentioned" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu in fact it is even useful for my response contextx
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tantek.com edited /Site_name (+108) "/* Use Cases */ datetime stamp as link text to permalink" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I guess I don't believe it is necessary until there's at least a sketch that demonstrates it
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KartikPrabhu sketch of?
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tantek (my theory being that by sketching it, it will become obvious that it is either unnecessary, or undesirable to clutter the UI, or both)
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KartikPrabhu or do you mean real world use case?
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tantek heck both
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KartikPrabhu ok finding one right now
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tantek goes back IWC NYC organizing
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KartikPrabhu tantek: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/inline-svg-icons#httpstwittercomchriscoyierstatus474621759702835201
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GWG tantek: What does that involve?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I am using the "datetime" to link to the fragment comment on my site, but in the reply context I put "on Twitter"
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KartikPrabhu Twitter is the name of the site and not twitter.com
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tantek GWG, glad to see you here
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tantek still need your help with a few items
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tantek I got answers to questions
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GWG Which ones?
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tantek saving now
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tantek.com created /2016/NYC/Planning (+1899) "stub with organizing notes, answers, not bothering with Eventbrite/Tito" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, I need you to compare /2016/NYC to /2015/SF and whatever sections are in the SF page but not NYC, please add
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tantek that's the first item here: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC/Planning#To_Do
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tantek and the second item I still need help with is create all other 2016/NYC/ subpages
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tantek again, same as /2015/SF subpages
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GWG Okay. Will have a look in a moment. Finishing wrapping some food.
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tantek e.g. there is: 2015/SF/Schedule
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Schedule+
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tantek darnit
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Schedule
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tantek and https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/SF/Introductions
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC () "(-1018) /* Planning */ move planning details to its own page" (view diff)
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tantek and now I have to get back to attempting to restore some semblance of functionality to my iPod, doing laundry, packing etc. before tomorrow morning's early flight to NYC :/
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GWG tantek: Enjoy your flight.
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tantek GWG, I hope to make it
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GWG I'll see about crossing things off the checklist after I finish wrapping food.
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GWG tantek: The weather isn't till Saturday
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@codemonkey Tumblr is now rewritting all hyperlinked urls and completely broke what I was using for IndieWeb x-posting/comments support. Thanks @tumblr! (twitter.com/_/status/690068331974520832)
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tantek uh oh ^^^
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KartikPrabhu hopefully it is redirecting like Twitter or something
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/Planning (+53) "udpate space info" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com created /2016/NYC/Schedule (+1451) "Created page with "[[2016/NYC|IndieWebCamp NYC 2016]] Schedule: == Friday January 22 2016 == {|border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse;" cellpadding="5" width="100%" | Time |colspan="4"|Mozill..."" (view diff)
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GWG tantek: When you have a minute, I have to talk about some equipment.
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@FluViruses 2 – Webmention - http://blog.explodingads.com/2-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690082123932422144)
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@newcribs 2 – Webmention - http://blog.explodingads.com/2-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690082126516068354)
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@PCSpam 2 – Webmention - http://blog.explodingads.com/2-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/690082128105771008)
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tantek GWG sure
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tantek I'll be checking here occassionally as I pack etc.
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tantek ^^^ well that's a different kind of webmention (related) spam :P
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GWG So, assuming a maximum of 2 rooms...I'm going to arrange an extra laptop to do recording, with a conference microphone and camera. That should be the easiest way. Also, the easiest distribution method/recording method is using Google's Hangout on Air product to record to Youtube. I have the Indiewebcamp Youtube account.
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GWG The Hangout method was, I believe, how Indiewebcamp EDI worked.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: solved by vouch though
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tantek GWG - no need to assume - please see https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC/Planning
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tantek oh I see - max 2 rooms for recording/broadcast
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tantek yes that seems fine
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GWG Yes.
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tantek I'm bringing an extra laptop and that Logitech camera too
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GWG I will have the same.
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GWG I'm ordering an extra microphone as well.
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[kevinmarks] Re webmention test receiver, mention-tech qualifies, in that it accepts webmentions for any url
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[kevinmarks] Doc improvements accepted as pull requests, snarfed
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voxpelli !tell aaronpk regarding webmention test receiver and such – there's the https://github.com/pfefferle/node-webmention-testendpoint + https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger pair of tools
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Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 17 minutes ago: is there a Homebrew Website Club Malmö next week 2016-01-27? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-20/line/1453346546427
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli !tell tantek There's no HWC Malmö planned, both me and my co-organizer has been a bit busy – there are some other IndieWeb related Malmö activities in discussion though for next month
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek thanks voxpelli
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Loqi tantek: voxpelli left you a message 1 minute ago: There's no HWC Malmö planned, both me and my co-organizer has been a bit busy – there are some other IndieWeb related Malmö activities in discussion though for next month http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-21/line/1453365659399
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tantek GWG, looks like lots of snow but but no rain
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tantek 11-16" on Saturday(!!!)
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GWG They always overestimate those things, but we'll see.
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@codemonkey Trying out Known since Tumblr decided to break my IndieWeb enhancements. I'm actually fairly impressed with this .. https://codemonkey.withknown.com/2016/trying-out-known-since-tumblr-decided-to-break-my-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/690120804873408513)
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@kevinmarks “honing ideas until they are so simple they can fit in the little rectangles of social media…” http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/19/frankie-boyle-jeremy-corbyn-elected-destroyed-murdoch?CMP=indieweb #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/690121391740444672)
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@HTML5Weekly Webmention: A Spec to Notify Remote URLs When You Link to Them - https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/690144191859552260)
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@t Early flight once more. See you soon NYC. #IndieWebCamp starts tomorrow! Just 3 spots left: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC/Guest_List (ttk.me t4fM1) (twitter.com/_/status/690171453610721281)
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@davidmead RT @t Early flight once more. See you soon NYC. #IndieWebCamp starts tomorrow! Just 3 spots left: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC/Guest_List (ttk.me t4fM1) (twitter.com/_/status/690176003797286912)
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mwunsch good morning. it's likely I will only attend http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC on Friday
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@lackaff "When you give in to the default, and just go ahead and post to Medium, you're stifling the #openweb." #indieweb https://twitter.com/nancyscola/status/690200109502611456 (twitter.com/_/status/690202109543755776)
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aaronpk oh dear
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Loqi aaronpk: voxpelli left you a message 7 hours, 52 minutes ago: regarding webmention test receiver and such – there's the https://github.com/pfefferle/node-webmention-testendpoint + https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger pair of tools http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-21/line/1453365603398
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aaronpk i seem to have triggered bridgy's twitter rate limit
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aaronpk voxpelli: oh cool, those need to be added to the wiki!
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aaronpk I suppose I won't have this rate limiting problem when I do the import from the real server since it has all the bridgy HTML fetched already
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@jgmac1106 Can I use javascript to surface additional file types? #indieweb #teachthebweb if those file types have some kind .. http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2016/can-i-use-javascript-to-surface-additional-file-types-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/690213291768037376)
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ben_thatmustbeme still need to create the facebook event
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ben_thatmustbeme but should do that on non-work hours
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Jeena Hi, who is creating the new HWC pages in the wiki? There was always a commented out address for Gothenburg so I wouldn't have to rewrite everything everytime, now it is gone, can I somehow get it back in?
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 1 day, 19 hours ago: do you know when the first Göteborg HWC was? And how many were held last year? Can you edit https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review#Homebrew_Website_Club with that info? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-19/line/1453238089670
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 13 hours, 39 minutes ago: is there a Homebrew Website Club Göteborg next week 2016-01-27? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-20/line/1453346539131
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Jeena And Gothenburg is not mentioned in the sidebar anymore either
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aaronpk Jeena: I usually just go find the last PDX one when I want to add it back in after it gets dropped
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aaronpk I can add it back to the sidebar
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aaronpk do you want "Gothenburg" or "Göteborg" in the sidebar?
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Jeena Göteborg is cooler ;)
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aaronpk once I launch p3k I should have a launch party at Steampunk Bar
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Jeena hehe
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Jeena some day I will automate the event creation
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aaronpk yeah it's a real pain on my site too right now
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Jeena many events in the future on my website right now https://jeena.net/events/ even though I don't understand why it is sorted wrongly
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aaronpk oh hey maybe I can rename OwnYourGram to "Obscura"
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jgarber aaronpk: Oooh, I like that.
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aaronpk it needs to be able to do more than just instagram->micropub in that case, maybe I could add flickr import too
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snarfed aaronpk: oh wow, you got 429s from bridgy?
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snarfed fun!
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aaronpk not sure the HTTP code, but instead of HTML from bridgy I got a JSON document that said the rate limit was exceeded
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snarfed hrm, sorry, not a great experience
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snarfed (fortunately the rate limiting is per user at least)
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aaronpk yeah, not sure what a good solution is
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aaronpk I think this won't actually be a problem though, I hit it because I was importing comments on my local site which doesn't have all the bridgy HTML cached already
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snarfed yeah i know
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snarfed low priority
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snarfed at least html instead of json would be nice, but not too bad if it at least returned the right content-type
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aaronpk i'm gonna have to rsync all my files from my server in order to keep testing the import process
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jgarber aaronpk: Experienced similar rate limit issues early on when developing FrancisCMS. I modified my import/verification scripts to delay for one second on each iteration and that seemed to avoid the rate limit issues.
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snarfed for the logs: https://dev.twitter.com/rest/public/rate-limiting
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@JanetGunter Total capture of the indieweb was occurring while I was enjoying it the most, but I was blind to it. So for me the best yrs were 2008-10(?) (twitter.com/_/status/690263942971691008)
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Jeena !tell tantek this was the first one https://jeena.net/notes/386 and we had 9 HWCs last year
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@kevinmarks RT @lackaff "When you give in to the default, and just go ahead and post to Medium, you're stifling the #openweb." #indieweb https://twitter.com/nancyscola/status/690200109502611456 (twitter.com/_/status/690270715401084929)
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@kevinmarks @georgebaily @lackaff @nancyscola even @davewiner says to POSSE to @Medium and twitter http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/690276241719582720)
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KevinMarks wow, 26-40cm of snow for IWC NY http://forecast.io/#/f/40.7142,-74.0064
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KevinMarks http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/wwacapget.php?x=NY1255E4DB1928.BlizzardWatch.1255E50A5620NY.OKXWSWOKX.3675dc16a0792d1370471d455960d17c
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tantek KevinMarks, also: https://twitter.com/JanetGunter/status/690263253683965952
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Loqi tantek: Jeena left you a message 1 hour, 39 minutes ago: this was the first one https://jeena.net/notes/386 and we had 9 HWCs last year http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-21/line/1453407780255
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@JanetGunter I liked the early years of Twitter - before it killed off blogs. When blogs were still kind of like zines. I joined @globalvoices in 2009 (twitter.com/_/status/690263253683965952)
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