#indiewebcamp 2016-01-28

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kylewm has anyone tried minifying CASSIS? I'm guessing it wouldnt cause problems?
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aaronpk i did in php
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aaronpk but not on the JS side
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kylewm you can minify php?
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aaronpk sure why not
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kylewm why would you? :P
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aaronpk well in this case what I did was remove all the hacks to leave just PHP code
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/cassis/blob/master/cassis.php
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kylewm I'm guessing that's what would happen with the js one too
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kylewm since they're all comments
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kylewm I'm thinking about making a version of cassis that uses the TLD list from https://github.com/kylewm/brevity/blob/master/brevity.py#L234
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aaronpk heh
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GWG Github problems?
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snarfed https://status.github.com/
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bear major github outage
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@t Reminder: Homebrew Website Club @MozSF TONIGHT 17:30 Quiet writing hour 18:30 #IndieWeb meetup https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4fT2) (twitter.com/_/status/692515977905311744)
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@kevinmarks RT @t Reminder: Homebrew Website Club @MozSF TONIGHT 17:30 Quiet writing hour 18:30 #IndieWeb meetup https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4fT2) (twitter.com/_/status/692517344187392000)
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jonnybarnes github is still down!
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KartikPrabhu confirmed
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KartikPrabhu nothing on their Twitter
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tantek yet github DNS, and github static sites seem up!
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aaronpk they're updating their status page
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tantek e.g. from this weekend: emmahodge.org
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matrrix Hello I am out front of mozilla SF and cannot figure out where to go
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tantek hey matrrix I'll come let you in!
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aaronpk https://status.github.com/ and https://status.github.com/messages
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matrrix ok, I am on a bench near a "mozilla community space" sign
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aaronpk i assume everyone over there is running around like their heads are cut off right now
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KartikPrabhu wow yeah a sharp fall in services at 1800 what ever timezone
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GWG Time to run my own git hosted service?
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GWG Who wants to buy a domain for Indieweb git hosting?
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tantek maybe for April fools?
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KartikPrabhu a common indieweb git hosting will have the same spof problem no?
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tantek or perhaps make it a Lazyweb request of archive.org :)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: exactly
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aaronpk the only way to indie-host git is to not host it and just have your repo on your computer and then push directly to where you're deploying it
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aaronpk your git server can't go down if there is no git server ;)
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KartikPrabhu but have a remote backup in case your own computer goes down ;)
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aaronpk naturally
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aaronpk but that can be offline
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KartikPrabhu true
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KartikPrabhu but there is collaborative value in having one copy online
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bear make sure you seperate the git part of what github is from the value add
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aaronpk basically 100% uptime is really hard no matter what, and chances are someone whose business it is to have as close to 100% uptime is going to do it better than you no matter what
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bear you can have a dozen git repos all distributed and being updated - it's the issues and wiki and static sites and webhooks that make it harder
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KartikPrabhu yup
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matrrix didnt someone write some git-in-a-dht-or-blockchain type of thing recently
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aaronpk lol ow my head
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bear probably, but as soon as I see "blockchain" in any description my brain blanks out as a defense mechanism
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matrrix oh its hosted on githbu
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matrrix https://github.com/cjb/GitTorrent
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matrrix so uh woops
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bear matrrix++
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Loqi matrrix has 3 karma
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aaronpk bear++
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Loqi bear has 98 karma
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matrrix bear: iirc they were using the blockchain part of it only to create namecoin-like references to repo DHT hashes
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matrrix it was mostly about pushing to a DHT, or uh something. I couldn't say right now.
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bear oh I know - it's me being a get-off-my-lawn with all of these bitfoo, barcoin, blockchain-paloza projects
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matrrix You arent wrong :)
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Loqi [bridgy] Chris Ruppel replied '@t are there minutes taken? Iā€™m interested but shifted 15 hours ahead of SF righ...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/rupl/status/692527191893110784)
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tantek bear++
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Loqi bear has 99 karma
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tantek you aren't wrong bear: https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism (TL;DR - it's pretty much dying / soon to be dead)
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bear k
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GWG I think tonight I may continue my attempt at venue design.
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tantek GWG - get screenshots from tommorris
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tantek his venue design seemed perfectly reasonable
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tantek !tell gRegorlove could you take a look at creating perhaps the next two months of HWC pages? e.g. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club to start? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek hey who is going to IndieWebCamp MIT and can make an Indie Event for it?
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tantek realizes he hasn't RSVP because of that
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aaronpk ooh pick me
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tantek !tell aaronpk could you post an indie event for IndieWebCamp MIT, and re-use the existing POSSE copies: https://www.facebook.com/events/1694292320854364/ and http://lanyrd.com/2016/indiewebcamp-mit/ and tickets at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/indiewebcamp-mit-2016-tickets-20820505693
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek lol I had that pretyped up mostly and was copy/pasting
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tantek URLs
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/events/2016/03/14/1/indiewebcamp
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tantek woot!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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tantek good evening LaraFZ !
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@benwerd Hanging out at Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla SF. We're just getting started, but it's not too late to turn up! 6:30-7:30. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/692535187314466818)
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@t going to IndieWebCamp MIT 2016-03-14ā€¦15. Join us! indie event https://aaronparecki.com/events/2016/03/14/1/indiewebcamp silo https://www.facebook.com/events/1694292320854364 (ttk.me t4fT4) (twitter.com/_/status/692535841105772544)
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GWG tantek: I asked for them already
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Screenshot-from-2016-01-26-01-47-26.png
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GWG That isn't so bad, is it?
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GWG My first popup.
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ben_thatmustbeme Mmm indie events I needed to get that working at some point
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tantek GWG, keep asking :)
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tantek aaronpk: now you just have to RSVP to all the events! https://www.facebook.com/events/1694292320854364/ :)
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ben_thatmustbeme One been so busy lately haven't had time for much
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aaronpk I still don't have my flight to boston yet but sure :)
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@davidmead RT @t going to IndieWebCamp MIT 2016-03-14ā€¦15. Join us! indie event https://aaronparecki.com/events/2016/03/14/1/indiewebcamp silo https://www.facebook.com/events/1694292320854364 (ttk.me t4fT4) (twitter.com/_/status/692536929720635392)
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tantek I don't have my flight either!
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ben_thatmustbeme Ummmm I need to see if I can get those days of without using pto
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ben_thatmustbeme Sent out a bunch of invites just now to the fb copy
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tantek nice
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tantek same here
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GWG tantek: The keep asking...is that a comment on my mockup in progress?
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ben_thatmustbeme Actually already had a few responses via eventbrite
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tantek GWG, no, a comment on asking tommorris :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to Homebrew Website Club - we just finished Indiewebcamp NYC last weekend- we extended it from friday to sunday (twitter.com/_/status/692539121068314625)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: David Shansky recorded al the sessions for us - that's GWG on irc (twitter.com/_/status/692539365264900099)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we had a number of folks that didn't have a website and were non-technical, all 4 were set up with a domain and site (twitter.com/_/status/692539573499465729)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we were told that we used so much jargon that it is like learning a foreign language, so we worked on that (twitter.com/_/status/692539856522706944)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: @tommorris created a really simple beginning of my webpage on github: https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site that people can fork (twitter.com/_/status/692540107853795329)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: if you go to http://emmahodge.org you can see someone who used tom's template to get her own name as a domain (twitter.com/_/status/692540232860831744)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: sometimes something really small that is less than a page of code can really help someone understand (twitter.com/_/status/692540406291103744)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Webmention being published as a w3c draft got a lot of attention on hacker news, which is the usual: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261 (twitter.com/_/status/692540702266368001)
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@ChrisAldrich RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Webmention being published as a w3c draft got a lot of attention on hacker news, which is the usual: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261 (twitter.com/_/status/692540909020430336)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I had a problem with my iPod touch losing wifi, and the only answer was to wipe and reinstall, which would lose my data (twitter.com/_/status/692540971481980928)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: github has been down all afternoon. Which is ironic as it is 2 days since Google Code shut down- they broke all URLs (twitter.com/_/status/692541139543576577)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: note that while https://github.com/ was down, github.io static sites were still up (twitter.com/_/status/692541268166103040)
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@kingkool68 RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: note that while https://github.com/ was down, github.io static sites were still up (twitter.com/_/status/692541540858724352)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp MIT is on Gregorian Pi day - March 13th - so sign up if you are nearby http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT (twitter.com/_/status/692541564216811523)
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KartikPrabhu Gregorian Pi day (US version)
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GWG David Shanske
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KevinMarks uk version doesn't quite work as April only has 30 days
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KevinMarks March ist to 1 SF
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KevinMarks sorry GWG - I'll correct in the blog
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I'm ben though I look like evil tantek tonight - I run https://withknown.com/ which is an indieweb startup (twitter.com/_/status/692542629347774466)
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tantek Loqi, you have competition!
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Loqi is done
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I'd like to introduce you to Joshua http://joshua.withknown.com - I built my own Siri (twitter.com/_/status/692542861364060165)
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tantek joshua++
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Loqi joshua has 1 karma
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: this uses a web API for speech to text - it puts it through some stanford NLP technology, and looks for signatures (twitter.com/_/status/692543057326166016)
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tantek s/March 13th/March 14th
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Siri is a black box, Google Now is a black box, wouldn't it be fun if we could plug our own data into them (twitter.com/_/status/692543181964099589)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Joshua, is it safe to leave Mozilla? "yes, there isn't a Giants game on" (twitter.com/_/status/692543295768137728)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: The same engine can be attached to slack or whatever, but this runs in a web browser, it's not in a device (twitter.com/_/status/692543524244471809)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: if someone wants to write a better joke API for it, please do it (twitter.com/_/status/692543653882007554)
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GWG KevinMarks: I'll have you know it is a proud name changed upon immigration to America after being changed in Russia to avoid being drafted into the Czar's Army.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the technology exists to parse text from speech - we need a way to make it ours too (twitter.com/_/status/692544007545712641)
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@hybridjesus RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: Siri is a black box, Google Now is a black box, wouldn't it be fun if we could plug our own data into them (twitter.com/_/status/692544315516719105)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: what happens if you ask "what will the weather be tomorrow?" (twitter.com/_/status/692544366162898944)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: it gave me the weather for the server in Dallas - here's it from localhost (twitter.com/_/status/692544468470403073)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: you need to hook Joshua up to @aaronpk's Loqi (twitter.com/_/status/692544621323362305)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: yes, I really need to do that (twitter.com/_/status/692544705775665157)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I could make it post for me and tweet for me - or ask it "where should I be?" (twitter.com/_/status/692544885644234755)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @libertymadison: no-one wants to follow that (twitter.com/_/status/692544970700496897)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: wow, it's not much javascript at all (twitter.com/_/status/692545036194562048)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the technology exists to parse text from speech - we need a way to make it ours too (twitter.com/_/status/692545231657549824)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: what happens if you ask "what will the weather be tomorrow?" (twitter.com/_/status/692545234375479298)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: it gave me the weather for the server in Dallas - here's it from localhost (twitter.com/_/status/692545235386265601)
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@libertymadison No one wants to follow the guy who built #AI on a lunch break! #indieweb Thanks @benwerd #startuplife https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/692544970700496897 (twitter.com/_/status/692545394576859136)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I have had hashtags on my site for a while, but they only got linked on the POSSE copies to twitter and facebook (twitter.com/_/status/692545686131310592)
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@kevinmarks RT @libertymadison No one wants to follow the guy who built #AI on a lunch break! #indieweb Thanks @benwerd #startuplife https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/692544970700496897 (twitter.com/_/status/692545890314276864)
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@diddleapp RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: yes, I really need to do that (twitter.com/_/status/692546118635393025)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: so now I markup hashtags with a category automatically on my site so when I POSSE to flickr they go through (twitter.com/_/status/692546188558651392)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I have been POSSEing manually to flickr with brid.gy - because I added this, flickr has my tags https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/24345146530/in/dateposted/ (twitter.com/_/status/692546593451556864)
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GWG KevinMarks: By the way, the difference is that if you Google Shanske you get me on the first page. If you google Shansky you don't.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I took a photo at Indiewebcamp NYC - and tagged people. and brid.gy copied across the people who gave permission (twitter.com/_/status/692547531297923077)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: my site is http://www.wordyard.com which is a wordpress site (twitter.com/_/status/692547609223888896)
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GWG Ah, WordPress
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GWG Tell me if you need help
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: So @libertymadison, @kevinmarks and I were at Hacks Hackers Connect #HHConnect this weekend and I started a group (twitter.com/_/status/692547798139543552)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: So I was frustrated with having to cross-post links and posts from my wordpress to lots of other sites, (twitter.com/_/status/692547924480413697)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: so I proposed a write once, post many places tool - and I understand that https://withknown.com/ does a lot of this (twitter.com/_/status/692548126952026114)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: we brainstormed ideas on what would help with the problem of cross-posting longform content (twitter.com/_/status/692548274415366145)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: so this was Lean Product Canvas? (twitter.com/_/status/692548363955367936)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: I had all sorts of quibbles and arguments with the nomenclature - why would the advantage be unfair? (twitter.com/_/status/692548514363117568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: so the idea would be to create an ideal post with title, image content etc, and then see previews of it in each silo (twitter.com/_/status/692548700330139648)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: so on twitter, if your summary is over 140 you would truncate it (twitter.com/_/status/692548831603507201)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: on twitter, you may need to publish it somewhere else first (twitter.com/_/status/692548935194386434)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: the challenge I see is the longer form posts that have substructure (twitter.com/_/status/692549289264947200)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @libertymadison: so we liked the idea of being able to make sense of the post and use AI to map it to what the platform wants (twitter.com/_/status/692549396832075776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: I was trying to keep it minimal, so when I hear AI I am a bit wary (twitter.com/_/status/692549564495237121)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: If we're doing the publish once, syndicate everywhere, I want the post to be in those places honoring their differences (twitter.com/_/status/692549753083674624)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: it's still hard to do that (twitter.com/_/status/692549798189256704)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the meme with, say, AMP is that the content comes to you - it gets imported by whichever system (twitter.com/_/status/692549928388825090)
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@libertymadison I want to self publish once and self publish everywhere says @scottros #hhconnect mets #indieweb #ThatTechGirl #startuplife (twitter.com/_/status/692549972437372931)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: you may have designed it for google search results, but @nuzzel sees the same thing (twitter.com/_/status/692550011461177344)
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@kylewmahan RT @libertymadison No one wants to follow the guy who built #AI on a lunch break! #indieweb Thanks @benwerd #startuplife https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/692544970700496897 (twitter.com/_/status/692550080885342208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: vine needs 6 seconds, instagram 15 seconds, flickr 120 seconds - video is harder (twitter.com/_/status/692550283159867393)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @libertymadison: I have to do this very day when I ma making video (twitter.com/_/status/692550376327925760)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: this was heavily publisher and journalist oriented - a lot of people are doing this within their employers systems (twitter.com/_/status/692550611406057472)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @scottros: part of being a journalist now is to crosspost your work to tumblr and twiitter and so on (twitter.com/_/status/692550716502720512)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the criticism I have always got is that people need to re-edit for different destinations (twitter.com/_/status/692550832533938176)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the trick is thta people (twitter.com/_/status/692550873793368064)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: people's definition of viable varies - what people expect for audiences is tricky (twitter.com/_/status/692551010305347584)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I ma stubborn and I think of overlapping audiences, but each site does have (twitter.com/_/status/692551141276651522)
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@libertymadison @kevinmarks to @benwerd Here take this challenge on and go change the way the world post articles on your next lunch break #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/692551959946076162)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: my take is that we can add substructure to posts that makes sense elsewhere (twitter.com/_/status/692551964324945921)
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Webmention being published as a w3c draft got a lot of attention on hacker news, which is the usual: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10943261 (twitter.com/_/status/692552115793874944)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: all the joke APIs on the internet I could find are terrible dad jokes from the 1970s - I need a better one (twitter.com/_/status/692555313619324928)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the journey of the entrepreneur is often like Sideshow Bob and the rakes (twitter.com/_/status/692556630093905920)
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@ChrisAldrich @kevinmarks @benwerd: #indieweb Is there really no @wordnik or @imdb on the web but for jokes including attribution and tags? #startupidea (twitter.com/_/status/692557097419030528)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: my domain is http://whatthefuck.computer which gets me more comment on the domain than the content (twitter.com/_/status/692557388742856704)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: it also ends up as my indiewebcamp wiki username, which is a shame (twitter.com/_/status/692557463246213120)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: my site is made from a bunch of emacs LISP that makes html pages (twitter.com/_/status/692557601809264640)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the journey of the entrepreneur is often like Sideshow Bob and the rakes (twitter.com/_/status/692557627268661248)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: I built my own static site engine and started using indieweb stuff to get comments on my blog to automate with brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/692557734152138753)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: I connect the matrix chat system to the indieweb here http://whatthefuck.computer/blog/2015/12/19/matrix-and-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/692558190068809728)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: matrix at http://matrix.org is a modern IRC, a json http API, but the rooms don't live in the same place (twitter.com/_/status/692558462421700609)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: as long as someone is in the room on matrix it persists (twitter.com/_/status/692558523180392449)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the next Homebrew Website Club is February 10th - post your photos on your own site so we can reuse them (twitter.com/_/status/692558802223259648)
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@ChrisAldrich Not getting enough #indieweb after Homebrew is over? Try this list for later: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/692558936684302336)
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@startupideabot RT @ChrisAldrich @kevinmarks @benwerd: #indieweb Is there really no @wordnik or @imdb on the web but for jokes including attribution and tags? #startupidea (twitter.com/_/status/692560267448827911)
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@mikeridley RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: matrix at http://matrix.org is a modern IRC, a json http API, but the rooms don't live in the same place (twitter.com/_/status/692567492238020608)
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@kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/692569519093608451/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/692569519093608451)
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matrrix Very energizing meetup. Thanks Ć¢ĖœĀŗ
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matrrix [shaners]: can you help me un-404 http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2010/11/7/1/no-more-sharecropping ?
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matrrix It is not in the Wayback Machine either
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KartikPrabhu matrrix: http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2010/11/07/no-more-sharecropping
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matrrix huh neat
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matrrix thank you KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu shaners changed his URL structure
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matrrix updates his old blog post that kevin linked to abovelater....
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[shaners] All that is true. Iā€™m still working on my redirects. :confused:
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[kevinmarks] Wow http://www.sfbaysuperbowl.com/6692-2
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[kevinmarks] Imagine getting the assignment of making Brisbane sound exciting
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pfefferle good morning all
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@AurelioDeRosa Very interesting proposal: "Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site." https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/692693691035578370)
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fiatjaf is LetsAuth something interesting for the indieweb movement? https://github.com/letsauth/letsauth.github.io/wiki
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fiatjaf a protocol that aims to replace mozilla persona, that could work with silo emails, but also with simple implementations on each one's domains (without the need for an email server) would be very interesting.
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tantek fiatjaf: could work as an IndieAuth provider mechanism, if it actually gets anywhere.
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tantek but more importantly, to ask whether it is interesting for the indieweb movement, ask whether it is interesting for you to support on your own site
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tantek fiatjaf: so in particular, is LetsAuth something you find interesting to implement on your own site?
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social.thedavidjohnson.com created /User:Social.thedavidjohnson.com (+436) "Created page with "= <a class="h-card" href="http://social.thedavidjohnson.com">David G. Johnson</a> = '''<dfn>David G. Johnson</dfn>''' is the founder of Grow The Dream, is a marketer, speaker, po..."" (view diff)
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@JoshuaACNewman RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: github has been down all afternoon. Which is ironic as it is 2 days since Google Code shut down- they broke all URLs (twitter.com/_/status/692722487868588032)
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aaronpk kylewm: whoa you've got some crazy javascript in the name and content of this post! https://kylewm.com/2016/01/repost-of-thattechgirls-tweet-c1b012ba6e
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tantek I miss the previous styling of kylewm.com - it was so beautifully minimal
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@thirdtruck RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: github has been down all afternoon. Which is ironic as it is 2 days since Google Code shut down- they broke all URLs (twitter.com/_/status/692730758054727681)
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aaronpk it's live! https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
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tantek woo!!!
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tantek I mean
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tantek woot!
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Loqi :D
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aaronpk it hasn't hit w3c twitter yet
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tantek has it hit their news yet?
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aaronpk looks like not yet
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/blog/news/
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voxpelli Nice!
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@ChrisAldrich Matrix (chatserver) and #IndieWeb: A match made in heaven? Ć°Åøā€˜Ā¼ http://whatthefuck.computer/blog/2015/12/19/matrix-and-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/692745688233316352)
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GWG petermolnar: I'm looking at the Indieweb code you contributed and making some changes.
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 65 karma
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aaronpk found an old wordpress database from my old blog, and i want to import the comments to my new site
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aaronpk but i'm actually having trouble figuring out which ones are not spam comments!
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@kevinmarks Very timely, given @benwerd's demo of Joshua, his open source assistant bot last night #indieweb https://twitter.com/mat/status/692749871330127872 (twitter.com/_/status/692752398574444544)
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aaronpk like "Thanks aaron, this was very useful!"
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aaronpk and a comment that starts with "Thanks for sharing this enlightening tidbit!" which is actually then a real comment
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aaronpk here we go! https://twitter.com/w3c/status/692750292371185664
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@w3c First Public Working Drafts: Micropub and ActivityPub https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (twitter.com/_/status/692750292371185664)
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singpolyma aaronpk: pump through akismet to help a bit, maybe?
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aaronpk i think i got it down to 71 real comments
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aaronpk but it definitely required a combination of reading the comment text plus looking at the author name and their URL
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fiatjaf tantek: not my personal website, which has no need for authentication, but for web service I own or might own it is interesting.
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fiatjaf the point is that people can authenticate themselves from their own sites.
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snarfed huh. bridgy just backfed me four old facebook responses from mid 2015, all from the same person
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snarfed some weird FB permission change maybe
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snarfed (he didn't sign up for bridgy just now though so it's not that)
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snarfed https://brid.gy/facebook/212038#responses
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@mothersele Right, I'm off to @FrontEndLondon for some #indieweb chat... (twitter.com/_/status/692768749305348096)
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GWG How do you know if your scope has crept too much?
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GWG We discussed adding rel me to the WordPress Indieweb plugin, and I am thinking of going as far as hcard.
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GWG Wondering if that goes too far.
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GWG singpolyma, I was looking at your extended profiles plugin.
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singpolyma GWG: yeah?
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GWG You still use it, you said?
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singpolyma I do, it's on my homepage
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GWG The discussion was about having the Indiemark identity axis built in the Indieweb plugin.
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GWG Having some of the h-card fields would be in that vein.
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GWG Either way, I saw some code about an hcard import?
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singpolyma hmm, yes. there is such a thing in there
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singpolyma using the ancient hkit code
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snarfed indiemark identity axis?!
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GWG snarfed, level 1 relme level 2 hcard
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GWG Putting identity into the Indieweb plugin gives people a reason to install it other than the plugin installer.
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GWG Just trying to figure out the right level of features.
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snarfed personally indiemark seems very low priority to me compared to actual functionality
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snarfed but just my opinion
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GWG snarfed, but what goes in an Indieweb plugin better than the tools to get you Indieauth and an hcard?
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snarfed oh i misunderstood
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gRegorLove GWG: My first thought is not to include hcard since most themes already include it with the author info for each post.
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gRegorLove Possibly broken mf1 hcards... but adding a proper h-card would just cause parser problems at that point, I think?
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 16 hours, 28 minutes ago: could you take a look at creating perhaps the next two months of HWC pages? e.g. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club to start? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-27/line/1453947587493
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snarfed so it's not indiemark scoring (or whatever) specifically
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snarfed sgtm then
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GWG petermolnar wrote some codr, I have the code I put into syndication links...
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GWG No, it is just how I am describing scope.
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GWG Indieweb identity
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GWG gRegorLove, they do include it, but not everything.
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GWG For example, by default, WordPress has no fields for location.
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gRegorLove Right, they're just author hcards in posts. Name and profile URL.
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GWG gRegorLove, singpolyma's old plugin offers a short code and a widget for hcards if I read correctly.
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GWG Widgets and short codes are plugin territory.
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GWG So those would work in scope.
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voxpelli Would be cool to see how people are using the WordPress plugins
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GWG I am just thinking of a Newcomer who can just add a page to their site with a shortcode, and make that their representative hcard
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GWG voxpelli, this is based on an experience an attendee to the HWC in SF had.
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GWG I gathered from commentary no one there could assist.
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GWG I had relme in one of my plugins, but no one could find it.
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GWG So, putting it into the Indieweb plugin, seemed to be the consensus.
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voxpelli yeah, some consolidation would lower the threshold and make it easy to get started
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GWG So I am trying to merge the various implementations into one base one that can be extended.
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GWG voxpelli, bingo
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voxpelli but at the same time consolidation comes at the cost of plurality and customization for power users
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GWG voxpelli, thus extensibility.
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GWG And you don't have to use the Indieweb plugin.
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voxpelli maybe one could think about ways to both make a simple consolidated wp-module that solves 80% of the use cases and is easy to get started with
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voxpelli which provides a set of best practices out of the box
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GWG voxpelli, I have some ideas in that direction. If only WordPress did libraries.
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voxpelli and then one could move to the more advanced modules once one grows out of that one and wants more customization
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GWG Voxpelli, in this case, that is the Indieweb plugin.
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voxpelli one can bundle libraries oneself and detect collisions and disable the module on collisions
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GWG It is the plugin people usually install when getting started.
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GWG I've paused my work on location/venue to work on it.
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GWG The development version has some relme xode, but I want to get it stable enough to push to the WordPress repository.
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GWG I have privileges for that.
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voxpelli cool, yeah, it would be cool to have a one-click descent indiewebification of a wordpress site
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GWG I'd like to have it before another WordPress user shows up at HWC or IWC
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GWG voxpelli, basic indiewebification.
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voxpelli main question is probably how to handle the relationships with the other modules and what to do within wordpress itself and eg. what to outsoruce
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GWG voxpelli, I'm working on a commit for some of this.
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voxpelli for Jekyll I eg. decided to embed webmentions through javascript rather than to push it directly into my source code ā€“ to limit the scope of things
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GWG But we have a lot of work that community members have done.
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gRegorLove GWG: representative h-card is a nice-to-have, not a must-have. Whereas the rel-me is a must-have to get IndieAuth working.
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GWG gRegorLove, we have relme thanks to petermolnar, but it is not fully baked yet.
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voxpelli IndieAuth on the other hand isn't critical to get working unless one eg. wants to edit the wiki ;) WebMention + h-entries are the most crucial parts
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gRegorLove The per-post hcard that comes with most WP themes is a minimally viable hcard. So that distinction of the nice-to-have vs must-have is what makes me think h-card should be separate plugin
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gRegorLove voxpelli: True, but we've had people specifically have issues setting up IndieAuth on WP, thus the suggestion that the core IndieWeb plugin include it. It currently is just a wrapper for installing other plugins.
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GWG gRegorLove, give me a few days and I will have some demonstration code that might better explain.
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gRegorLove But I don't think we've had issues of people setting up representative h-cards, or author name not showing up on posts
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voxpelli gRegorLove: yeah, it's a nice to have, somewhat weird that eg. Indiewebify.me pushes IndieAuth as the most critical step towards IndieWebifying oneself :P
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GWG I don't really care about Indieauth.
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gRegorLove /Getting_Started pushes it too
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GWG It gets me wiki access.
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gRegorLove It opens up some cool options, like micropub
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gRegorLove well, first step towards
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GWG And authentication for micropub.
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GWG But I care about people coming to my site and knowing who I am more.
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voxpelli My priority is: 1. receive webmentions 2. make it possible to subscribe to ones h-feed 3. send webmentions
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gRegorLove Or signing up for /Telegraph so you don't have to set up all the webmention innards yourself
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GWG And who I am to some people is a matter of relme
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GWG Those who care about silos.
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voxpelli gRegorLove: rel-me based indieauth isn't necessary for Micropub ā€“ an IndieAuth endpoint is, but it can use regular wordpress-login :)
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GWG This is why we took some things out of the Indieweb plugin
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voxpelli so needs to try out Telegraph so he can get to his own step 3 before being side-tracked too badly by Micropub :)
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GWG No one has built wordpress login to indieauth yet.
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GWG So, we go back to identity.
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voxpelli It would "just" be a matter of implementing: https://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth-for-login :) And would make one more independent than to rely on IndieAuth.com ;)
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GWG Establishing your identity online is a good Indieweb goal.
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gRegorLove How is that useful when we're discussing people who are having trouble setting up rel-me links on their site? ;)
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voxpelli And for something like WordPress that already has user accounts it kind of could make sense ā€“ unlike other systems (like my jekyll site) that has no authentication mechanism of its own at all :P
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voxpelli gRegorLove: well, one can either answer someones question or try to solve their problem ;)
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GWG I think I will try writing some code and see where it takes me.
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GWG I'll be back later.
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voxpelli if WP supports IndieAurth for Login the one could even log in to the wiki without ever having to set up a rel-me :)
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gRegorLove Not it. :)
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singpolyma voxpelli: just use the indieauth to openid proxy service and the wordpress openid plugin
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aaronpk an actual indieauth plugin for wordpress would be great
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aaronpk using the wordpress user database
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aaronpk has nobody done that yet?
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voxpelli aaronpk: doesn't appear like anyone has
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voxpelli the reverse has been done: Logging into WordPress through indieauth
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aaronpk ah yeah
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kylewm can anyone recommend a good way to write javascript unit tests? ideally i'd like to test in both node.js and the browser ...
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@mothersele Your content is yours #indieweb at #FEL https://twitter.com/mothersele/status/692789892527558656/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/692789892527558656)
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aaronpk https://mochajs.org/ ?
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voxpelli I write all of mine in Mocha
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voxpelli But only node.js ones so far
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kylewm thx!
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voxpelli kylewm: here's one if you want a reference: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-vp-express-wrapper/blob/master/test/integration/app.spec.js
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@katyemoe Webmention - a better successor to pingback for notifications about linked content. W3C spec here https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ @FrontEndLondon (twitter.com/_/status/692792915450527744)
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GWG aaronpk, I would love that plugin, not writing it right now.
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kylewm one more q: I want to have a python and a js version of the same library that runs against the same test cases (defined in a shared JSON file). should those implementations be in one git repository or more?
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kylewm I want them to be in one repository, but not sure if that will confuse npm
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voxpelli kylewm: you can always set an .npmignore so that the python files are never published to npm
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kylewm I'm leaning toward splitting them up and just living with having 2 copies of the test cases
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voxpelli kylewm: you can always make them use the same JSON somehow ā€“ maybe in a similar way as some of the mf2 parsers are
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aaronpk you could put the test cases into a separate rpo
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KevinMarks and include the repo
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kylewm hmm, ok maybe that
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KevinMarks thats what I did with my mf2py fork when I was iterating on the tests and the parser in parallel https://github.com/kevinmarks/mf2py
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KevinMarks the tests dir is another repo
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voxpelli and you could include it in one of three ways I think: Curl it from a known URL, do a Git Subtree, or do a Git Submodule
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kylewm KevinMarks: the ofifical one too https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py
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KevinMarks ah right, I wasn't sure I had sent that upstream
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voxpelli I've had some bad experiences with git submodule so I would myself avoid it and chose one of the other two options
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aaronpk same
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KevinMarks oh, it seemed to work OK for me - what went wrong?
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aaronpk it's been a while, I don't quite remember
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voxpelli mostly when you're merging different branches or start to move things around I ran into issues, but was a while ago for me as well
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voxpelli if the history of the module one includes is rather small then a subtree won't hurt that much
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voxpelli eg. including the linux kernel as a subtree rather than as a submodule on the other hand would be a pretty bad idea :P
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jonnybarnes gah I donā€™t understand why utf-8 wonā€™t work in ssh/screen, anyone else come across this when using the irc? https://serverfault.com/questions/752488/getting-utf-8-support-in-screen-via-ssh
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[shaners] Iā€™ve also had annoyances / troubles with git submodules and tend to avoid them now.
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jonnybarnes I use git submodules for testing my webmentions parser
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ben_thatmustbeme put in official request for IWC MIT
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ben_thatmustbeme either way i'll be there, its just if I have to use PTO
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voxpelli I use a npm module to test my webmentions parser :P
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jonnybarnes what is ActivityPub?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ActivityPub" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CW
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jonnybarnes voxpelli: my parser is written in PHP, so I pull in data from https://github.com/sandeepshetty/authorship-test-cases and test against that
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jonnybarnes with phpunit, though thatā€™s tsting the authorship part of my parser
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voxpelli cool, I should maybe add those as wells
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voxpelli maybe I can pull them into https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger
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KevinMarks interesting: https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/node/99276
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bear kylewm - to add some +1's to the "test data in it's own repo" concept above -- I do that often and that lets me then run both libs as test for when the test data changes :)
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tantek GWG, re: scope, no problem just use IndieMark levels to set scope
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tantek rel=me + h-card (including icon if you can) makes sense as a good start, since that's all core functionality for numerous use-cases.
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tantek snarfed: you said "indiemark seems very low priority to me compared to actual functionality" <-- that makes no sense, all the indiemark measures ARE actual functionality!!!
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tantek how / what gave you the sense that they were separate?
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snarfed tantek: keep reading, you'll see i misunderstood what GWG was saying
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tantek snarfed - ok I caught up on logs - still confused as to what made you think IndieMark was different from actual functionality
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tantek this makes no sense to me because the whole point of IndieMark was to bundle together clusters of *actual functionality* that was similar in level / core-ness
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tantek s/IndieMark/IndieMark levels
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snarfed i thought he was proposing something like calculating indiemark score, badging, etc
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Loqi tantek meant to say: this makes no sense to me because the whole point of IndieMark levels was to bundle together clusters of *actual functionality* that was similar in level / core-ness
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tantek yes, score & badging are not important. but using an IndieMark level or axes to define a scope for features makes more sense that trying to figure out a scope on your own from scratch.
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tantek or rather, *displaying* score is not important
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tantek anyway, to be clear, any time you see IndieMark diverging from "actual functionality" - please point it out - as that's something we should be wary of and fix
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tantek whoa! who is giving an IndieWeb talk @FrontEndLondon?!? https://twitter.com/mothersele/status/692789892527558656
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@mothersele Your content is yours #indieweb at #FEL [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/692789892527558656)
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tantek a-ha! http://www.frontendlondon.co.uk/
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tantek Calum Ryan - Taking part in the IndieWeb
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tantek IndieWeb (not to be confused with the platform ind.ie) is a small movement of people from all backgrounds and abilities looking to/already publishing to their own website; so that they truly own their own data. The talk will introduce principles of IndieWeb and how you can take part through IndieWebCamps and Homebrew Website Clubs.
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tantek boom!
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aaronpk that should go on http://indiewebcamp.com/events !
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tantek who was looking for the WordPress plugin to auto-archive links? this looks like it does that (brand new) http://amberlink.org/
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tantek GWG have you seen ^^^ ?
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aaronpk oh neat, I wonder if I can use that myself outside of wordpress
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aaronpk what! https://github.com/berkmancenter/amber_nginx
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tantek heh
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tantek would be great as a service too - send a webmention, get all your links crawled and archived
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jonnybarnes that looks very complicated to set up, cloning three git repositories!
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tantek yeah, you lost me at cloning
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jonnybarnes in particular it looks like itā€™d be a mess to maintain
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tantek and that means run away screaming. or quietly. your choice.
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tantek.com edited /Events (+2061) "move past events to recent, add next HWC, add Front-end London event/talk on IndieWeb, also, mediawiki tag filters are stuck in 1996" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: added! ^^^
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aaronpk woo thx
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jonnybarnes screaming sounds more fun
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KartikPrabhu "don't make perfect the enemy of the good" ?
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kylewm I made a funny thing, regex for matching any TLD https://gist.githubusercontent.com/kylewm/3ac57a1df6847877dad2/raw/03254f8da71bd6bf71b300a7e212555d17a1ab30/tld-regex.txt
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kylewm its only like 10% smaller than just listing every tld out :P
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KartikPrabhu what the what!
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aaronpk uhh
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aaronpk but also it's immediately out of date
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kylewm well that's why i have a script to update it!
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk why not just match [a-z]+?
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kylewm lots of false positives that way
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aaronpk lots?
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KartikPrabhu yeah like home.xckjdsfskjnav
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aaronpk who types that
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kylewm I remember specifically getting one for mm.dd.yyyy
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tantek falsepositives--
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Loqi falsepositives has -1 karma
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: what about home.cmoputer
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kylewm and there were several issues reported to bridgy that it either failed to post to twitter becuase it didn't shorten enough, or it cut off way too much of the post
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: what about homecmoputer.com
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: no my point was one could mistype a TLD and then autolink it and never notice
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aaronpk but you could also mistype a 2LD
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KartikPrabhu also true
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KartikPrabhu so i guess there is no "fool proof" auto linking method
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snarfed KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 128 karma
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snarfed diminishing returns
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KartikPrabhu one way could be to do a HEAD request and see if it is a success
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tantek I'm ok with keeping it a subset in CASSIS auto_link until people complain about specific domains (of theirs) and optionally file a pull request
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kylewm surprised to hear this, I've found checking against the list of known TLDs to be very worthwhile
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tantek no desire to add any TLDs that no one is actually using in practice
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kylewm maybe the disconnect is between "I want to decide what my site auto-links" and "I have to know what twitter will t.co to create a shortened version that wll post successfully"
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bear i'm not a fan of auto-linking, but that is a bias that comes from running a commercial ad-driven site where a single bad link that goes to a domain-squatted link farm can serve up exploit images
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KevinMarks modifying a regex like that is hard
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bear so I'm definitely not normal
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aaronpk kylewm: do you know how twitter decides to autolink something?
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tantek kylewm: yeah that's a good reason to track twitter behavior
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aaronpk do they actually document that? that would be nice of them
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tantek or at least provide BOTH options
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tantek for preview / tweet-char-count predictions
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kylewm yeah the twitter algorithm is open source
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tantek because Twitter also does weird things too
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tantek e.g. does not link plain 2LDs to ccTLDs
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tantek like ttk.me
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tantek which I use to create unlinked permashortcitations
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tantek but then I hyperlink those on my own site
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aaronpk oh wow https://github.com/twitter/twitter-text
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aaronpk and really good test data too https://github.com/twitter/twitter-text/blob/master/conformance/autolink.yml
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tantek.com created /events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club (+4632) "stub based on 01-27" (view diff)
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tantek is feeling impatient today
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KevinMarks hm, no python
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KartikPrabhu yeah noticed
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kylewm plugs https://github.com/kylewm/brevity and https://github.com/kylewm/brevity-js
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snarfed oh wow really? sad
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kylewm brevity-js is getting dangerously into CASSS's wheelhouse... wondering how to square that
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kylewm CASSIS*
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snarfed "diversity"
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KartikPrabhu it is good to have multiple implementations
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tantek what is brevity-js?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "brevity-js" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CX
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kylewm I'm doing a real lewis carroly thing porting cassis to python, changing it a bunch, and then porting my port to js
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tantek mentions the aforementioned Github frontend tool
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kylewm :D
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KevinMarks i'm wondering if I should switch noterlive to twitter-text-js as that may be easier than understanding cassis's regex enough to send a PR
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kylewm no way twitter-text-js is easier to understand than cassis!
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kylewm it's like an order of magnitude bigger
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tantek :D
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aaronpk oh speaking of cassis, would appreciate if you reviewed this tantek! https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/25
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tantek is in heads-down mode for trip to Sydney, other than bite-sized things
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tantek HWC SF 2016-02-10 venue confirmed
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kylewm KevinMarks: I misunderstood you, sorry. see your point now
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aaronpk what I did was: 1) moved code around so that PHP and JS can share test data (e.g. https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/25/files#diff-0983723a4618af8afb94eeb2a96d02ffR1)
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tantek oh dear
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tantek yeah that's going to take some review ;/
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aaronpk 2) in PHP mode, use the bcmath functions if available so that newbase60 works with large numbers https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/25/files#diff-c83cd412ebcf174a85a1f817bec1b17eR479
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tantek but does that work in JS too?
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aaronpk no, but it's no less broken than it is now in JS
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tantek but it's divergent between JS/PHP
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aaronpk right now num_to_sxg and sxg_to_num don't work with twitter IDs
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aaronpk they are divergent right now since the behavior of them is essentially undefined right now
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tantek I know - that's worth an issue (if you haven't already filed it)
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tantek but I really don't want to make it more capable in one vs the other
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aaronpk yeah it's been there since 2014 ;) https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/17
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tantek broken = broken no matter how
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aaronpk I don't know how to make it work in JS without adding a library dependency
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tantek HWC SF venue confirmed for 2016-02-24 and 2016-03-09
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tantek aaronpk: I'm tempted to write the math myself
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aaronpk I miiiight be able to pull out just the functions I need from here https://github.com/rauschma/strint/blob/master/strint.js
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tantek looks into the future and sees he will not be in SF on 2016-03-23 :/
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kylewm pretty likely I won't be either :/
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bear https://twitter.com/githubstatus/status/692839068506333185
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@githubstatus GitHub Pages builds are currently paused for unscheduled maintenance. GitHub Pages sites remain available. (twitter.com/_/status/692839068506333185)
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kylewm actually, no I should be OK
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tantek dang
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tantek what are GitHub Pages?
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Loqi GitHub is a specialized content hosting silo for code, issues, comments, and static content that has some aspects of a commons, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indiewebcamp.com/github-pages
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tantek heh - ^^^ add to that frag bear?
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bear let me pull it up...
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KevinMarks what on earth is a frag bear?
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bear a bear that has been at the pub too long
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tantek bear++
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Loqi bear has 100 karma
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tantek GitHub pages may deserve their own, ahem, page
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bear oh snap - didn't realize i was working on a redirect
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tantek hence the frag comment
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bear yea, i'll roll it back
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tantek I say roll with it
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tantek I will be in Cambridge 2016-03-23 - anyone there interested in a HWC MIT pop-up that night? rhiaro sandro ?
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tantek kylewm: you got venue+organizing for HWC SF 2016-03-23?
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tantek looks into the future 2016-04-... and see that it is ... in motion and unclear
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@isocroft RT @katyemoe Webmention - a better successor to pingback for notifications about linked content. W3C spec here https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ @FrontEndLondon (twitter.com/_/status/692842230776668164)
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tantek whoa, that definitely deserved its own page
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bear yea, github is going to be very empty
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tantek wonders if it is worth trying to do an IWC SF in 2016-02
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tantek to complete the first six months of 2016
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bear.im edited /github-pages () "(-1076) point criticism section to github for DRY reasons" (view diff)
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@isocroft @katyemoe But, do we need to standardize all the time ? @w3c webmention is just the same as XML-RPC pingback isn't it ? (twitter.com/_/status/692844403178639361)
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tantek classic Twitter RTFM fail
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kylewm tantek: I'm fairly sure I'll be here 3/23, and yes I will do that
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tantek kylewm++ thank you!!!
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Loqi kylewm has 288 karma
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gRegorLove tantek: Should I keep LA in the next two months of HWC pages, or comment them out? Not familiar if it's a regular meeting or just starting
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tantek I think angelo was pretty dedicated, so leave it
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tantek and plus his track record for 2016 is 100% so far :D
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gRegorLove considers making a template for the RSVP city sections and each of their multiple links (FB, Calgator, indie event, etc.)
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tantek templates are only more helpful when you *want* the content to be more static than accurate
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tantek the per city stuff is still so dynamic (and we want it to keep improving)
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gRegorLove I was thinking of, if you drop a FB link in, it adds "or RSVP on FB" and so on.
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tantek ooh
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gRegorLove Not tied to any services, just [link] and [service name]
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gRegorLove For now I'm just copy/pasta-ing though :)
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aaronpk gRegorLove: i've been changing the text of PDX slightly since calagator doesn't do RSVPs, and I usually want the FB vs indie event text to be different
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gRegorLove Good point
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gRegorLove Starting with that one^ I used "RSVP by adding yourself below." for each with the additional options in an HTML comment, so they can be added back as links are set up.
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gRegorLove is done
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AngeloGladding for what its worth I was there last night
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AngeloGladding intend to formalize more once my site's up and running ;)
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tantek AngeloGladding: nice! do you have a sign or some other way for people to find you at the venue?
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AngeloGladding I'll bring a sign next time. I made sure to tell the barista to send anyone my way.
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tantek nice - good call. perhaps note that in the event "Where" for LA - to ask the barista to direct them to the meetup
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AngeloGladding maybe I'll drive out to the west side to meet up with shaners (?) next time
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tantek yeah! feel free to move the venue around, coordinate with fellow community members - whatever helps you get the meetup off the ground
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GWG I have returned
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KartikPrabhu it is good to update change of venue in advance in case people randomly decide to show up
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AngeloGladding how do you tell loqi to message someone upon their return?
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KartikPrabhu !tell AngeloGladding: like this
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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AngeloGladding thanks
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gRegorLove I think I'll try to get a Bellingham HWC going in the near future. Thought about contacting the ACM club at WWU
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KartikPrabhu AngeloGladding: note Loqi only delivers messages if the person posts and only a certain amount of time after the !tell was initiated
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AngeloGladding what do you mean by the person posting?
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KartikPrabhu as in if the person logs into the channel but does not say anything, the message is not delivered
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AngeloGladding ah
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KartikPrabhu it is to prevent people from missing messages due to their IRC client auto-logging them in
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AngeloGladding got it. make sense
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KartikPrabhu is getting pretty fed-up with Feedly.
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gRegorLove Sounds like FEEDly is working then. ;)
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gRegorLove http://instantrimshot.com
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KartikPrabhu more like Fed-ly
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GWG tantek: In response to earlier...why is Indieauth the first step?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: does woodwind allow bookmark posting with tags ?
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KartikPrabhu what is woodwind
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Loqi Woodwind is Kyle Mahan's minimalist open source indie reader https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
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gRegorLove Also, is your instance of Woodwind sticking around despite moving to Known?
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tantek GWG - context?
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tantek kylewm: any chance you'll port the /reply-context support in Red Wind to Known?
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GWG tantek: In the earlier Indiemark discussion, as well as what we encourage people to do when they arrive in the chat...what is the reasoning for it being the first recommendation?
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GWG Specifically, what puts rel-me and Indieauth at that point?
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tantek being the first recommendation where?
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tantek at that point where?