#indiewebcamp 2016-02-04

2016-02-04 UTC
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Borissr Hi
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KevinMarks hi Borissr
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@ebot70 Top hashtags for @kevinmarks: #indieweb #api #edtech #fb #groundhogday http://www.redaelli.org/matteo-blog/projects/ebottwitter/ (twitter.com/_/status/695042056813674496)
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Loqi [indieweb] "ebot70 : @ebot70" by ebot70 https://twitter.com/ebot70/status/695042056813674496
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kylewm aaronpk: is that from grep.io^
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kylewm snarfed: do you know why sometimes bridgy logs say "No logs found"?
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snarfed kylewm: yeah, usually when we didn't actually run a propagate task for that response
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snarfed eg no targets
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snarfed or sometimes the request log just got lost
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snarfed (obviously less common)
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kylewm ohh right, that's the propogate log, not the polling log
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kylewm omg i give up. trying to make a test user so i can test Known <-> Facebook <-> Bridgy stuff
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kylewm Test Users for one app can't use the other app
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kylewm and I can't make a real fake user because I already used my phone number to verify the Test User
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kylewm facebook--
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Loqi facebook has -12 karma
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@veganstraightedge @andigalpern I had more than a tweet or few in response, so I wrote a blog post instead. http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/03/in-response-to-andigalperns-indiewebcamp-logo-redesign (twitter.com/_/status/695077363239899136)
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@veganstraightedge In Response to @andigalpern’s #IndieWebCamp Logo Redesign and Feedback http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/03/in-response-to-andigalperns-indiewebcamp-logo-redesign (twitter.com/_/status/695077641133490176)
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[shaners] What is logo?
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[shaners] Slack bridge down?
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Loqi Here are several versions of the IndieWebCamp logo; for a personal logo for your site, see icon https://indiewebcamp.com/logo
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[shaners] Guess not. Just slow.
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[aaronpk] First slack message takes a while to get to IRC since it has to sign in to freenode
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[aaronpk] kylewm: you need more phone numbers ;-)
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GWG Phone numbers?
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[aaronpk] To make test Facebook accounts
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katchwreck sup
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Loqi [mention] Daniel Korenblum RSVPd maybe to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-03 https://webmention.io/notification/3e1U_Qp2hVKNcj-fXSu98w
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Loqi [mention] Daniel Korenblum RSVPd maybe to https://webmention.io/notification/hUh9QW9803HHA1RKp8ZPqQ
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KartikPrabhu katchwreck: nothing... what are you working on your website?
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KartikPrabhu I am investigating Service Workers
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katchwreck yes
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katchwreck via an open source viz engine :)
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katchwreck i.e. developing the viz engine 1st, then the website
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katchwreck (using the engine)
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katchwreck but, we need a test for the engine
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katchwreck so, we are using a simple HTML5 game :)
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katchwreck we've finished most of the debugging for the viz engine. tomorrow we are hoping to finish the static assets for the alpha version of the game
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katchwreck there are still two important bugs to fix
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katchwreck for the viz engine
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katchwreck i hope someday we can propose that the viz engine might become part of the web standards
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katchwreck or at least, to argue for some of the aspects of our design
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katchwreck in the eventual standard
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katchwreck one of the remaining bugs is multitouch UI
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katchwreck the other is iOS (Safari)
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katchwreck it works on Android but the game does not even load on iOS
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katchwreck although we have done our best to adhere to the web standards
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KartikPrabhu katchwreck: what brings you to this channel?
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katchwreck i want to help promote the open web
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katchwreck since vizualization engines are a big part of most applications, this is an area that needs work
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katchwreck i am working on an open source visualization engine using open web standards
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katchwreck i believe that the web standards should include performant APIs for visualization that go beyond Canvas, WebGL, and requestAnimationFrame. by joining this channel, i hope to be part of the
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KartikPrabhu are you using this on your personal website?
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katchwreck the development of open web visualization standards.
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katchwreck i do not own a personal website. however, i have published an open-source project called "vizflow" which I am using in other projects as well.
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katchwreck https://github.com/dannyko/vizflow
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katchwreck the "master" branch is not up to date
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Borissr Hi hows everyone
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katchwreck chillin :)
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KartikPrabhu katchwreck: this channel is mainly about people having their personal sites and owning their web identity and content
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KartikPrabhu what is indiewebcamp?
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Loqi IndieWebCamps are brainstorming and building events where IndieWeb creators gather semi-regularly to meet in person, share ideas, and collaborate on IndieWeb design, UX, & code for their own sites https://indiewebcamp.com/indiewebcamp
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KartikPrabhu seE: http://indiewebcamp.com/
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katchwreck yeah i get that
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KartikPrabhu welcome Borissr
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katchwreck since our engine is application-agnostic, this fits with our mandate
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KartikPrabhu does it help with owning your web content on your personal site?
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katchwreck as long as yoru users require interactive visualizations in their sites, we want to help
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katchwreck *your
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KartikPrabhu katchwreck: do you have interactive visualisations on your own site?
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katchwreck yes, it helps own the site because our engine is simpler and smaller than other engines
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katchwreck yes, i have published other visualizations
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KartikPrabhu on your own site?
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KartikPrabhu what is visualization?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "visualization" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Cq
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KartikPrabhu katchwreck: feel free to start that page and add yourself as an example
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katchwreck i have several sites
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katchwreck i can walk you through all of my visualizations if you wish?
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katchwreck or, if you want a prioritized list, please send your sort order
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KartikPrabhu katchwreck: you can document that on your user page see mine for example: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kartikprabhu.com
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katchwreck Permission Error You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Users.
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KartikPrabhu yes you will need to log in of course
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KartikPrabhu using your own website
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KartikPrabhu what is indieauth?
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katchwreck i c
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Loqi IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites — it's like OpenID, but works with services you likely already use, and is much easier to setup https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth
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KartikPrabhu see ^
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@nhoizey @borisschapira aucune mention de… webmention ? (twitter.com/_/status/695154141769908224)
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@jkphl Looks like I'm gonna give an #indieweb talk @wke. Lots of familiar names on the speaker list (and more to come) :) https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/ (twitter.com/_/status/695166652959297536)
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@RikMende RT @t @RikMende totally agreed! Check out #indieweb #webactions for exactly these #openweb protocols https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (ttk.me t4f_1) (twitter.com/_/status/695201874086137856)
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Loqi [bridgy] ⚡️ replied '@RikMende totally agreed! Check out #indieweb #webactions for exactly these #ope...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (https://twitter.com/t/status/694799817004838912)
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Loqi [indieweb] "thinking out loud: what if @withknown bookmark feature was sync with like firefox sync ? #indieweb" by Rick Mendes http://www.rmendes.net/2016/thinking-out-loud-what-if-withknown-bookmark-feature-was-sync
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@RikMende thinking out loud: what if @withknown bookmark feature was sync with like firefox sync ? #indieweb http://www.rmendes.net/2016/thinking-out-loud-what-if-withknown-bookmark-feature-was-sync (twitter.com/_/status/695208676513095681)
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@borisschapira RT @nhoizey @borisschapira aucune mention de… webmention ? (twitter.com/_/status/695210400443416576)
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@nhoizey @adactio "comments" on https://adactio.com/journal/9881 are a tweets mess, do you put "real" comments and webmentions upfront when there are some? (twitter.com/_/status/695212669259923456)
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@nhoizey @adactio I’m not sure it’s really easy, I don’t even know how you get these tweets. Is that with webmentions also? (twitter.com/_/status/695227654564352000)
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@adactio @nhoizey Yes, https://brid.gy/ automatically converts Twitter/Instagram/Flickr responses to webmentions—amazing piece of software! (twitter.com/_/status/695227926342668289)
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@nhoizey @adactio I agree some of the tweets are really useful, as trackbacks earlier and webmentions nowadays… not easy to moderate this. (twitter.com/_/status/695230938687655936)
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@wke RT @jkphl Looks like I'm gonna give an #indieweb talk @wke. Lots of familiar names on the speaker list (and more to come) :) https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/ (twitter.com/_/status/695277443704291329)
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@e8johan @jeena talking about #indieweb at #fossgbg. Thanks @pelagicore for hosting! https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695280973425065984/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695280973425065984)
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Schnitz rehi
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Loqi Schnitz: snarfed left you a message on 1/30 at 11:52am: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/609 :(:(:( http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-30/line/1454183555746
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KartikPrabhu on twitter's new modal UI: https://twitter.com/DanielZarick/status/695085310057656321
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@DanielZarick which design system suggests putting lightboxes on top of other lightboxes, i didn't finish my degree so i forget https://twitter.com/DanielZarick/status/695085310057656321/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695085310057656321)
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kylewm KevinMarks: double checking that you want me to transfer Woodwind subscriptions from known.kevinmarks.com to known.kevinmarks.com/profile/kevinmarks
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: https://twitter.com/pwcc/status/695125601628327936
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@pwcc Twitter have thought about their new UI very carefully. [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/695125601628327936)
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@wastemobile POSSE - Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE 這概念 Michael Hyatt 的「平台」講得最好：經營社群網路區分：基地、使館與哨所，各有所司，缺一不可。 (twitter.com/_/status/695281003321896961)
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kylewm KevinMarks: OK I went ahead and transferred since you didn't have any subscriptions on the new user URL
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Schnitz snarfed got your message... oh man that sucks
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kylewm (also open to suggestions on how deal with that)
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snarfed Schnitz: agreed!
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Schnitz (tumblr redirecting URLs issue)
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Schnitz think that would be the time for me to leave tumblr as the posseing source
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Schnitz a pitty thou, I got it all to work, for a week or so, then tumblr changed it
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Schnitz it actually feels like tumblr made that change explicitly :)
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@e8johan #curl examples at #indieweb talk by @jeena (and UML) https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695284857119858688/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695284857119858688)
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@jkphl 😱 Phew. I'll need a lot of coffee the next 33 nights. ⏳ https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/joschi-kuphal/ #wke2016 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/695286173019803648)
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Schnitz ouh just wanted to migrate to known but now there seems to be no free test account (anymore9
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Schnitz damn... got myself a known account, turns out to no be as powerful as I had hoped, as such as I support the effort
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Schnitz missing tumblr and instagram integrations
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Schnitz snarfed1 so I'm right to assume that the tumblr issue is permenant will not be resolved anytime soon so I have to face the fact that I need to get myself and completely new setup done and abandon tumblr as my posseing source? (which is ok, just need to know)
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KartikPrabhu you can always manually POSSE
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Schnitz hey Kartik
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Schnitz what so mean? from my own site?
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Schnitz s/so/do
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Loqi Schnitz meant to say: what do mean? from my own site?
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Schnitz or copy and past the posts? trying to avoid that, and also expecting shared commentary
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KartikPrabhu well that is drawback of "platforms" like Tumblr
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KartikPrabhu they change something without telling you
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Schnitz I want to post from somewhere into everywhere and get commentary back from everywhere into somewhere
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Schnitz Kartik: yes I know
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Schnitz and have been known forever
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Schnitz I gave tumblr a last chance since it *seemed* nice, I was wrong
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KartikPrabhu I meant you can have Known on your own site. It gives a lot of automatic POSSE, and for the few that it does not you could manually POSSE
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Schnitz Kartik: it seems like Bridgy can do more than Known allows
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Schnitz Bridgy should be able to POSSE and share commentary into instagram aswell
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Schnitz Known doesn't support instagram, or tumblr
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KartikPrabhu Instagram does not allow "writing" afaik
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Schnitz ah interesting
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snarfed Schnitz: bridgy tumblr still incoming webmentions and backfeed fine. the tumblr link rewriting change only break bridgy publish for tumblr users
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snarfed (background for the logs: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/609 )
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Schnitz snarfed: right
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cleverdevil I've basically given up on Instagram since it doesn't support POSSE
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Schnitz cleverdevil aha
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snarfed right, re instagram, their API doesn't support posting, at least not officially
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Schnitz aha aha
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cleverdevil its a read-only source for me at this point :)
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Schnitz interesting...
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Schnitz that sucks too, btw, just in itself
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[shaners] I'm putting this in the channel again looking for input if anyone has opinions on the matter.
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[shaners] http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/02/indiewebcamp-logo-study#proposed-new-indiewebcamp-logo
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[shaners] See also:
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[shaners] What is logo?
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Loqi Here are several versions of the IndieWebCamp logo; for a personal logo for your site, see icon https://indiewebcamp.com/logo
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cleverdevil I have been tinkering on some more plugins for Known to POSSE to other silos, particularly Goodreads.
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cleverdevil oh, and IMDB and RottenTomatoes.
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cleverdevil (this would just be for my existing Reviews plugin)
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Schnitz right now I find it a bit irritating that you have to create a payed account with credit card for Known just to check it out
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Schnitz which I did
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Schnitz and know I can
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Schnitz 't find the delete my account button
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Schnitz duh
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snarfed Schnitz: i may fix tumblr bridgy publish by special casing it
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snarfed we'll see
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Schnitz snarfed: seriouly, that would be fantastic
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Schnitz I'd even pay you some money for this
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Schnitz seriosuly
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Schnitz I know this is not how you work, snarfed, but before I sign in to known for 100bucks a year I can give that money to you for a special case
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snarfed aww thanks for the offer!
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snarfed no need though
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Schnitz I know :)... but thats just illustrating how it stands right now
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snarfed totally understood
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snarfed (background for bridgy cost/donating in https://brid.gy/about#cost )
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Schnitz alright I wil donate 100bucks to EFF when you get tumblr to publish again :) (I will donate anyhow, just as a good spirit thing from my side :)
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GWG Afternoon
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kylewm Schnitz++ :)
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Loqi Schnitz has 4 karma
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kylewm (PS you don't need a credit card to download Known's source)
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@vgrade RT @e8johan #curl examples at #indieweb talk by @jeena (and UML) https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695284857119858688/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695317801360351232)
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@INC_says Type in I N C in your #Roku , #RokuUK search to find great #indiefilm ,#indieweb , & #original programs. #Inc_says #indie (twitter.com/_/status/695319176429314048)
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kylewm.com edited /logo (+378) "/* Proposed New Logo */ add voting headings" (view diff)
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snarfed !tell Schnitz fix for tumblr link rewriting is out. feel free to try it!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@vgrade RT @e8johan @jeena talking about #indieweb at #fossgbg. Thanks @pelagicore for hosting! https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695280973425065984/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695325318186401792)
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kylewm.com edited /logo (+165) "/* Adopt {{shaners}}'s proposal */ note Crystal's response on Twitter" (view diff)
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@jeena RT @e8johan @jeena talking about #indieweb at #fossgbg. Thanks @pelagicore for hosting! https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695280973425065984/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695326672510402561)
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snarfed damn, zapier doesn't support json lists. https://zapier.com/help/webhooks/#catching-the-webhooks
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aaronpk lol crap
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snarfed aaronpk: i may have to follow your lead and write and maintain actual code :(:(:(
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aaronpk at least it's tiny code
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Loqi darn!
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snarfed true!
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snarfed i always end up making it a service though
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aaronpk hehe
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snarfed no one to blame but myself :P
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aaronpk that's more complicated
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aaronpk at that point why not just build it in to telegraph?
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snarfed ooh please do! :P
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aaronpk seems like not a crazy idea
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aaronpk there are two ways to do it, and I may do both
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snarfed ?
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aaronpk v1 is I provide a Telegraph endpoint for your account which accepts the payload from Superfeedr, and provide instructions for signing up for a superfeedr account and how to set it up
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aaronpk v2 is I use the superfeedr API to create the tracker from telegraph, and you would only need to check a box in telegraph to turn it on
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snarfed ah
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snarfed true!
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aaronpk in v2 I would need to bill the user myself so that I can pay for the superfeedr subscription
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snarfed that sounds like a lot of effort for a small UX win
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snarfed huh, zapier actually does support json lists, just with a separate thing. https://zapier.com/help/formatter/#supported-actions
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aaronpk but v1 is super easy so I will probably do that
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snarfed whoa, they also let you run arbitrary code! https://zapier.com/help/code/#introduction
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aaronpk whoa!
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snarfed (regardless of all that, i'm still all for the v1 telegraph + superfeedr tracker!)
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Jeena Man, I rocked my talk today, it was awesome, one guy even came to me and told me it was the best talk he's seen for a long time, and he just kame back from fosdem this weekend ^^
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aaronpk \o/ congrats!
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Jeena for everyone who's interested and haven't seen my slides yet, I just uploaded them and added them to the event https://jeena.net/events/6
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Jeena there were about 20 people, nobody with a web background, and a couple of them told me that it inspired them to breathe back live in their domains which they already had
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Jeena like 12 of them had already their own domain, but only 2 posted anything there
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aaronpk that's awesome!
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ben_thatmustbeme nice!
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Jeena yeah, I think I'm getting better and better at giving talks, I should do that more often, now I also already did the job with the slides, so I can just reuse them
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ben_thatmustbeme Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 28 karma
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Jeena :)
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bear jenna++
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Loqi jenna has 2 karma
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bear Jenna++
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Loqi Jenna has 3 karma
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bear doh!
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bear Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 29 karma
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Jeena hehe
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bear steps slowly away from the computer
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snarfed jeena++ congrats!
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Loqi jeena has 30 karma
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snarfed aaronpk: just got a 500 from telegraph :/
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aaronpk oops
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snarfed probably my fault, i suspect zapier sent something like 'source={{permalinkURL}}'
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aaronpk oops I need to add robots.txt and favicon.ico. the error log is full of those
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Jeena I guess Loqi already posted those links but if not: https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695280973425065984 https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695284857119858688
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@e8johan @jeena talking about #indieweb at #fossgbg. Thanks @pelagicore for hosting! [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/695280973425065984)
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snarfed eh. or not
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@jeena RT @e8johan #curl examples at #indieweb talk by @jeena (and UML) https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695284857119858688/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/695333550577422336)
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aaronpk or not?
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snarfed (adding robots.txt, favicon.ico)
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aaronpk why? I'd rather not fill my logs with error 404s for those
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snarfed sure! if you want to add them, go for it
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aaronpk I don't see the 500. is it something you can reproduce?
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snarfed i'll try
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snarfed done
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aaronpk just got a "method not allowed" error
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aaronpk it's making a GET request instead of a POST request
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snarfed huh weird, it's set to POST
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snarfed may have to give up on zapier
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aaronpk :/
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snarfed so it sent 405? not 500?
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aaronpk it should have sent 405 but did actually send 500
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snarfed ok
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aaronpk not sure why. my other projects that use this framework send back 405. Must have messed something up
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aaronpk oh nvm. Telegraph doesn't use Lumen, so I have to handle this
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aaronpk snarfed: okay you'll get a 405 reply on that now
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aaronparecki.com edited /The_Grid (+112) (view diff)
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voxpelli snarfed: sounds like you maybe could be interested in checking out https://rundexter.com/ :) haven't tried it myself, but it seems to be somewhere inbetween Zapier, own code and Lambda
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snarfed voxpelli: interesting indeed! thanks
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snarfed looks like a high level PaaS plus app/package repository
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@INC_says Remember, INC is AD AGGREGATE based. So watch those commercials to help keep #indiefilm free. #Roku #RokuUK #indie #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/695362470400004096)
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kylewm we should use that slogan. "Remember to watch those ads! #indieweb"
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Loqi I agree
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kylewm Loqi you shill
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gRegorLove Loqi--
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Loqi Loqi has 385 karma
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aaronpk aw
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gRegorLove No sympathy. He's way ahead of me. ;)
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kylewm consoles Loqi
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Loqi grins profusely
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aaronpk gives Loqi a sympathy karma
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Loqi peers at the sympathy karma
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cweiske are http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-uris still required for microformats2?
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aaronpk whoa, I never saw that before
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aaronpk microformats2 parsers don't bother checking that, so I would say now
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aaronpk no*
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gRegorLove http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-uris#Essentially_dead
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cweiske ok thanks
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cweiske then I can remove it from my blog
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cweiske runs 10 crawler+indexer processes to get the live search server up quickly
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cweiske but indexing 4k sites takes a while it seems
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cweiske but it's already working: http://search.cweiske.de/?q=php+site%3Acweiske.de%2Ftagebuch
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cweiske site search included!
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cweiske oh. all done!
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cweiske http://search.cweiske.de/?q=indieweb
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@m_ott @adactio I was on the verge of asking you and/or @marcthiele if you use brid.gy for Twitter webmentions. Here's the answer. 👌 ;) @nhoizey (twitter.com/_/status/695385793121005569)
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@m_ott @marcthiele You use @getkirby for your site – with @bastianallgeier's webmentions plugin, I guess? @adactio (twitter.com/_/status/695389691223236611)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#3465" http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/notesofisia/~3/gNB0ryFsSIU/
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KevinMarks !tell shaners comment on your logo http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-thing-that-is-a-little-jarring-is-squaring-off
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk KevinMarks: add to http://indiewebcamp.com/logo#Discussion ?
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kevinmarks.com edited /logo (+421) "/* Adopt {{shaners}}'s proposal */" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks so who's going to recreate the #friendsday video, but in CSS animation for the #indieweb ? (twitter.com/_/status/695396314876477441)