#indiewebcamp 2016-02-19

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Loqi [indieweb] "miklb commented on issue benbalter/jekyll-style-guide#5" by miklb https://github.com/benbalter/jekyll-style-guide/issues/5#issuecomment-185985700
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miklb wow, Loqi is every where
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KevinMarks interesting indieweb possibility: https://twitter.com/nevesytrof/status/700468857329229824
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@nevesytrof I get why an Edit function is bad, but how about something that automatically delays my tweets 15 seconds or so, so I can realize my mistake (twitter.com/_/status/700468857329229824)
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snarfed like gmail's undo send
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cleverdevil could even be a "delayed syndication" feature in Known.
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cleverdevil now that Known supports post-publish syndication, I always use it.
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cleverdevil so, I basically get this already :P
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cleverdevil post to my site first, after some thought, I can syndicate to Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/whatever.
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KevinMarks hm, how does that show up? not seen that in my hosted known
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cleverdevil so, basically, you just post something
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cleverdevil and then click on "edit"
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cleverdevil and you can toggle on the syndications from there
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@brianjesse RT @aaronpk Great writeup of #Webmention in The Register today by @luxagraf! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700476097972957185)
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tantek KevinMarks++ for adding sanity to The Register comments thread
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Loqi KevinMarks has 194 karma
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tantek this interaction in particular is helpful: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/#c_2784191
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@INC_says Do you know who we cater to? You! The lover of #indiefilm, #indieweb, #fanfilms, docs, #grindhouse, #horror, & more. #roku #RokuUK (twitter.com/_/status/700476453947703296)
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KevinMarks I read the comments so you don't have to
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KevinMarks also their comment system is so much worse than webmention
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KevinMarks hm, I don't see them
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Loqi [indieweb] "@nevesytrof that's an interesting idea that would work with an #indieweb site - deferred POSSE" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/nevesytrof-thats-an-interesting-idea-that-would-work-with-an
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KevinMarks cleverdevil: I don't get the syndication chiclets when editing
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cleverdevil let me double check what it looks like for me...
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cleverdevil hmm.
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cleverdevil maybe hosted Known hasn't been updated yet?
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cleverdevil I am self-hosted, and it works.
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aaronpk so I have decided to do a slow complete blood transfusion of webmention.io
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aaronpk it is currently my fastest growing database on that server, and I don't want that because it is only ever going to get larger
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aaronpk I think Amazon's NoSQL database is going to be the thing I use instead, since it's a totally abstracted data store, there's no concept of a server behind it
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tantek interesting
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aaronpk their relational DB service still essentially runs on a server, you just don't manage that server. however it's still subject to getting rebooted with downtime for maintenance.
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cleverdevil one of these days, I am going to have to start a #IndieInfra movement ;)
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cleverdevil AWS is a silo of silos
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cleverdevil (a pretty damn amazing one, though)
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aaronpk AWS is an interesting one
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cleverdevil I admit, I have a significant bias here ;)
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aaronpk reviews dreamhost's "cloud" offerings
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cleverdevil but, man, I've been really careful lately due to things like Parse getting snapped up and then shut down
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aaronpk what's really interesting is that Amazon S3 is so popular that other companies have created services that use the same API so you can swap out for them
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cleverdevil indeed.
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aaronpk that's one way to make a standard
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cleverdevil basically, a defacto standard.
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cleverdevil nods
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cleverdevil very imperfect, but very widespread.
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aaronpk dreamhost doesn't have anything equivalent to DynamoDB apparently
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cleverdevil no, not at the moment.
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aaronpk DynamoDB is actually a pretty good candidate for this, since it means I am not concerned with physical servers, but I can also query on a few different attributes
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cleverdevil absolutely.
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tantek what is DynamoDB?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DynamoDB" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EP
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cleverdevil hoping for some open source, self-hosted things to fill the gap.
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cleverdevil Redis is a pretty good candidate.
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aaronpk DynamoDB is a key/value database service provided by Amazon Web Services. https://aws.amazon.com/dynamodb/
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loqi.me created /DynamoDB (+133) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455843044626 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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snarfed aaronpk: obligatory: https://cloud.google.com/datastore/ :P
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snarfed and many others!
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cleverdevil huh... there are a few open source implementations of dynamo.
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snarfed but dynamo is great, no qualms
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aaronpk I don't trust Redis to persist data for extended periods of time though
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aaronpk also Amazon's Redis server is also just a wrapper around running an EC2 instance with Redis on it
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cleverdevil Voldemort, Dynomite, and KAI.
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snarfed agreed, redis is great for many things, but not durability
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cleverdevil nods.
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aaronpk wow I think I would not fall under the free tier of google's
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aaronpk 50,000 read and write operations per day is only about 1 every 2 seconds
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snarfed sure
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snarfed but then just $.06/100k
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snarfed price can be sensitive, sure, but for many of us, if the difference is something like e.g. $2/mo vs $4/mo, other factors should probably override :P
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cleverdevil this is for webmention.io?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek ok I think there's been enough criticism of "reading time" to document it
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aaronpk there are a lot of things about the current implementation of webmention.io that I don't like, and I want to fix them
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tantek !tell benwerd what drove the design of indicating "reading time" on Known articles?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks webmention.io is mostly write append, right? you don't go back and update things much?
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aaronpk it does handle updating the comment later if a webmention is re-sent
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aaronpk but the vast majority is write-only, so definitely can optimize for writes
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cleverdevil gotta be a minimal portion of the traffic, though, I am guessing.
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cleverdevil makes sense.
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aaronpk just can't ignore updates
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tantek what is reading time?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reading time" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EQ
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KevinMarks wondering a bigtable/hbase model might fit?
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tantek reading time is a feature of posts (usually articles) that indicates the expected amount of time (typically in minutes) that it would take to read the post.
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loqi.me created /reading_time (+183) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455843723274 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk anybody familiar with Amazon DynamoDB and Lambda who wants to help me refactor webmention.io?
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snarfed that sounds like a fun project!
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snarfed ...with a big messy less fun migration
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk I hope it is a series of fun small projects, with many small migrations
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snarfed i was thinking the data migration
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aaronpk yeah, i'm wondering if I can do some sort of hybrid approach
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tantek.com edited /reading_time (+1398) "indieweb examples, silo examples, criticism" (view diff)
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tantek does anyone else indicate /reading_time on their articles or other posts?
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KevinMarks medium des if you want a silo example
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KevinMarks what would be good if Kindle gave you actual data on your reading speed
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aaronpk the first time I saw a "reading time" on an article, I assumed the site was doing something clever like logging how long people interact with the page and showing the average of that
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mathpunk my idea for my landing page is to make an image map out of this: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7v334qQv-cnY0ktS0JURDFVQ1U/view?usp=sharing
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mathpunk But it's probably too large an image, right? What should I scale it down to? Is jpg the right format?
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snarfed KevinMarks: kindle does do that (now)
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aaronpk mathpunk: that'll be tiny as a gif or png. you can do it as three separate images too.
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KevinMarks how do I get the data?
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KevinMarks mathpunk: you could recreate it as an svg
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mathpunk ah, I'm guessing those compress, and since it's mostly white, it'll be ok
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snarfed KevinMarks: all i know is, mine (oldish e-ink) says "X min left in chapter" at the bottom, and it's based on my personal reading
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mathpunk KevinMarks: I know not the way of SVG. I drew that on a Bamboo Spark, which is my new favorite thing
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aaronpk ooh i have one of those too, it's great
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aaronpk i *think* there's a way to export as SVG, since it does actually store the stroke data
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mathpunk am I going to have to annotate the html so that it knows that it's supposed to fit to height? I went as far as to make a wide version for desktop but, that sounds like I have to somehow ask what rectangle it's being viewed on
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tantek KevinMarks: yes I added Medium as a silo example but no screenshots or URLs
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tantek could use some of that
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tantek especially if you know *when* they started to show estimated reading time
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tantek or have any other indieweb or silo examples to add
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KevinMarks you can turn pdf into svg
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KevinMarks inkscape does it
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aaronpk depends on what's in the pdf
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aaronpk tho svg can contain bitmap just as well as pdf can so sure :)
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KevinMarks well, I'm assuming the bamboo ones will have the strokes in
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KartikPrabhu why image map?
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aaronpk let's find out
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gRegorLove What is image map?
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KevinMarks if it's SVG you can make it natively clickable
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "image map" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10ER
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aaronpk nice, it's totally a vector pdf
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mathpunk maybe I don't mean image map? i just mean, the point of this site is to display my drawings and then talk about them
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mathpunk so it makes sense to me to have the landing be a drawing
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mathpunk and i kinda like my lettering
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KartikPrabhu mathpunk: no I think you mean image map
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aaronpk mathpunk: do you have illustrator?
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mathpunk i have gimp!
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KartikPrabhu inkscape should also work
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mathpunk I... know how to open it! **peers at tutorials**
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mathpunk ah that too, I can get that
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KevinMarks inkscape will open pdf and save as svg
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aaronpk you should be able to load the PDF from the Bamboo and then save as SVG
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KevinMarks do you have that as a pdf?
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mathpunk ok, cool
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KartikPrabhu beware inkscape might not optimise the svg
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mathpunk whoooah that means that I could animate it when I get l33t, huh?
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mathpunk KevinMarks: One of the sharing options is pdf
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KartikPrabhu also older browsers might not display SVgs
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KevinMarks https://css-tricks.com/svg-line-animation-works/
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KevinMarks terribly old browsers
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KevinMarks liek, IE8 http://caniuse.com/#search=svg
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KartikPrabhu also having your navigation be images means it doesn't work unless images load
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KevinMarks not if the images are SVG
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KevinMarks 'cos you can inline them
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KartikPrabhu oh inline-SVG seems to be well supported too
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KartikPrabhu ok
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KartikPrabhu nvmd
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mathpunk ok, I've pdf'd the image and I've installed inkscape
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mathpunk I'll look around for tutorials 'less anyone has a suggestion
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aaronpk should just be a matter of open, then save as svg
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KartikPrabhu mathpunk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Resources/PDF_conversion_to_SVG#Conversion_with_Inkscape
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mathpunk aaronpk: then edit the svg file in a text editor to add some kind of clicky-regions?
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KevinMarks you may want to do the 'resize docuement' thing to crop ti too
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aaronpk you can still image map an SVG if you want
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aaronpk but i would probably export it as three different images
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KartikPrabhu mathpunk: I would suggest saving each nav item as a separate SVG then link each using HTML <a> tags
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mathpunk oh, ok -- segment the image at approximately the arrows
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KartikPrabhu that way if you ever want to add a fourth one you don't need to draw all of them again ;)
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mathpunk in my mind there'd be a non-zero border and it would split up the image, but there's no reason for that to be the case
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KartikPrabhu borders can be adjusted in CSS
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KevinMarks did it work?
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KevinMarks http://svgur.com/ if your silo won't share svg properly
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Loqi [indieweb] "@nevesytrof that's an interesting idea that would work with an #indieweb site - deferred POSSE" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/nevesytrof-thats-an-interesting-idea-that-would-work-with-an
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aaronpk wow some of tantek's home page mentions have characters so bizarre they crash the ruby xml parser
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KevinMarks !
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aaronpk this one, for some reason. can't figure out why! https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/t/700481146824556544
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mathpunk ahhhh.... I think I get it. Object > Clip > Set means, set-theoretic intersection
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: the accented n ?
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aaronpk stranger characters have made it though
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aaronpk through
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KartikPrabhu or the Unicode character that is tantek's nick name
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KevinMarks or tantek's lighnting bolt?
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aaronpk no there were 26 other mentions in that batch that were fine
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tantek my @-name brings all the strange characters to the yard?
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aaronpk i'm even having trouble re-creating the crash
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KartikPrabhu if a crash can not be recreated did it happen?
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@mcbrwr RT @aaronpk Great writeup of #Webmention in The Register today by @luxagraf! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700529395459559425)
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KartikPrabhu Feedly now calls "tags" as "knowledge boards"
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KartikPrabhu what does that even mean?!
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miklb that's some straight up marketing there
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Rebranding is a popular thing
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miklb That's something Maciej from Pinboard would have a field day with
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miklb unrelated, anyone with a static site & using comments?
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kylewm miklb: check out voxpelli's site? http://voxpelli.com/
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miklb kylewm: you mean using indie-config?
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kylewm Naw,just a static site with comments
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miklb that seems to be how he's adding comments. I know a lot of Jekyll users just use Disqus, but I'd like to avoid that. I've seen a solution that uses Firebase, which is better because you can pull the comments back down as JSON for archiving, or possibly caching them.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: indie-config is not for commenting
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KartikPrabhu miklb: see: https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kodfabrik.se#webmention.herokuapp.com
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miklb I'm accepting webmentions already, just wondered if there was something for on site comments
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miklb is re-reading about indie-config
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miklb weird, if I visit http://voxpelli.com/2014/10/indie-config-overview/ in FF, it redirects to http://known.techlifeweb.com/file/5fe7e8ae8082018eec33f10e6ebcfa0e
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KartikPrabhu odd I get an actual apge
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KartikPrabhu page*
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miklb KartikPrabhu: in Firefox?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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miklb I even tried coming in from home page, same behavior. FF isn't my primary browser, so :shrug:
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kylewm 2nd comment is from techlifeweb ... I wonder if there is something weird happening with avascript
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KartikPrabhu my JS is on
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miklb is updating FF to see if it's just an old bug
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miklb was extremely out of date, but same behvior.
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mblaney miklb: voxpelli uses js to pull in comments
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miklb so in indieweb circles, webmentions == comments?
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mblaney not really
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mblaney miklb what are you trying to do?
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miklb I'm already accepting webmentions, but was curious if there were any ways from someone to leave a comment directly on the site. I recently switched to Jekyll from a db/php driven site.
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miklb Without using Disqus.
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sknebel there are some selfhosted comment-things you could put on e.g. a free openshift instance
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sknebel e.g. https://github.com/posativ/isso
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miklb sknebel: yes, one I'm looking at is using Firebase to store the data.
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sknebel basically tries to be disqus, but self-hosted
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sknebel also an idea if you are fine with JS
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sknebel One also could make a simple comment-post thingy and then have it send yourself webmentions
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miklb thanks all. Not a huge part of my redesign, just looking at options. Might just look at option of including the tweet reply/webmention form like voxpelli is using.
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mblaney miklb: http://voxpelli.com/2013/12/webmentions-for-static-pages/
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miklb mblaney: yes, I've looked at that. I'm using webmention.io and something similar already for displaying webmentions (as well as sending them when I build the site and deploy)
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[kevinmarks] There's the web actions markup
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[kevinmarks] Tantek uses that to wrap the twitter button
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miklb KevinMarks: from what I read though, Safari doesn't support that?
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@AMikolasch @SGgrc Hello Steve, in twig336 they mentioned https://indieauth.com/ how do you feel about it? Esp. from security point of view (twitter.com/_/status/700564538819637248)
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@venkatarangan Alternate way to building Web, interesting ideas popping. lk @indiewebcamp, webmentions https://t.co/wdFO5AVqqN, @johnchavens personal cloud (twitter.com/_/status/700565193223380992)
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@GadflyQuebec Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The #W3C wants us to use them across the whole web • The Register #webmentions http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700566193208500224)
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KartikPrabhu ok here we go... the register article is gaining steam
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@C2_CYBER RT @GadflyQuebec Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The #W3C wants us to use them across the whole web • The Register #webmentions http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700566902918221824)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Awesome post by Tantek Çelik about going all-in on the #IndieWeb." by Jonathan LaCour http://cleverdevil.io/2016/untitled-1
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Jekmentions (+165) "service shutdown" (view diff)
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dogada Does anyone have issues with using both h-breadcrumb and h-entry on a page and publishing such page via brid.gy? Before I added h-breadcrumb brid.gy parsed h-entry on a page properly but now when same page have both h-breadcrumb and h-entry (example: https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/implemented-breadcrumbs) brid.gy offer to use text from h-breadcrumb instead of h-entry. Created also a ticket for the issue: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/621
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWebCamp Germany 2015" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/59421601
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Loqi [indieweb] "User Identifiers: Domains, EMail or Phone Numbers?!" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/59674472
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Loqi [indieweb] "Will Medium own blogging and why does content move towards silos?!" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/67312387
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Loqi [indieweb] "phpADNSite is becoming a true PESOS system" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/67368938
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Loqi [indieweb] "Phone Numbers and the IndieWeb" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/60002190
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@hisdeedsaredust Good info on breaking down silos here. Must admit I hadn't heard of IndieWeb before https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/700268557200924672 (twitter.com/_/status/700612789115736064)
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@dkernohan Great news on webmentions moving through W3C into the mainstream. And a plug for @withknown at the end! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700622381824364545)
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@marloft RT @dkernohan Great news on webmentions moving through W3C into the mainstream. And a plug for @withknown at the end! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700625389568135169)
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@marloft RT @withknown Webmentions are beginning to pick up steam. We've supported them since the beginning: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700625486485934080)
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@herrison Webmentions - a potentially valuable tech impl for #altmetrics and the growth of network science http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ (twitter.com/_/status/700635000945807360)
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@d0gada Added categories (tags) with #IndieWeb p-category microformat (https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/added-categories-hashtags) (twitter.com/_/status/700651646641053696)
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@d0gada User Identifiers: Domains, EMail or Phone Numbers or #IndieWeb or #PGP or SHA256(my fingerprint)?! https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/there-is-no-silver-bullet-id (twitter.com/_/status/700657320196333569)
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cjk101010 I think there is a misstake in the mf2 wiki page. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2#h-event_location_h-card according to the spec the value attribute of the location should just be "Geoloqi" and the validator linked on the wiki pages says the same: http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20160219051937018
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@rabbitrock RT @benwerd Identity in the #indieweb universe. #iiw https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/464523657750904832/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/700675752270823425)
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cjk101010 my mf2 parser is getting there :) https://github.com/ckruse/microformats2-elixir
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cjk101010 although there is still a lot of work to do
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@Dark_Dime_Dirty RT @d0gada User Identifiers: Domains, EMail or Phone Numbers or #IndieWeb or #PGP or SHA256(my fingerprint)?! https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/there-is-no-silver-bullet-id (twitter.com/_/status/700690738158374913)
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@nobantu Final hours of EarlyBird tickets 4 22nd Internet Identity Workshop! https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xxii-22-2016a-tickets-19430016703 #IIW @idworkshop #IoT #blockchain #UMA #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700697997269577728)
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Loqi [indieweb] "nobantu: Final hours of EarlyBird tickets 4 22nd Internet Identity Workshop! #IIW @idworkshop #IoT #blockchain #UMA #indieweb" https://twitter.com/nobantu/status/700697997269577728
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@IdentityWoman RT @nobantu Final hours of EarlyBird tickets 4 22nd Internet Identity Workshop! https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xxii-22-2016a-tickets-19430016703 #IIW @idworkshop #IoT #blockchain #UMA #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700699093539151872)
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Loqi [mention] https://aaronparecki.com/ commented '@sarahsharp I would love to hear your input! Are you free Wednesday eve to come ...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club (https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/19/2/)
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@aaronpk @sarahsharp I would love to hear your input! Are you free Wednesday eve to come to Homebrew Website Club? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/700702306837225472)
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aaronpk i just hit the project limit on app engine
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aaronpk applying for an increase in the limit now
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@sugarshackbb RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 77 (twitter.com/_/status/700452201567801345)
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@NotebkBlogairy RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 77 (twitter.com/_/status/700451610972049408)
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@ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 77 (twitter.com/_/status/700451231085568000)
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@ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 67 (twitter.com/_/status/700007808536678400)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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snarfed morning!
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tantek cjk101010: could you explain what in particular you think is a mistake on http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2#h-event_location_h-card ?
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tantek private account side-effect: no /link-preview shown in silos when you link to permalinks of private account posts, e.g. in chat messages (FB Messenger)
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kylewm tantek: they already edited that page
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[kevinmarks] aaronpk: I hit the limit too and it's a really crappy salesy process
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kylewm tantek: so the error was http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=65401&oldid=65400
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: darn! I hope this isn't too hard. I even deleted some old projects to try to free up a slot but that didn't help
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tantek oh yeah! since we made the parser change for p-thing h-thing > p-name -> p-thing = p-name
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tantek cjk101010++ thanks for the fix to the nested location example!
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Loqi cjk101010 has 1 karma
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tantek what is Elixir?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Elixir" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10ES
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tantek another programming language?!? wow
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tantek Elixir is a functional programming language that runs on the [[Erlang]] virtual machine. There is a [[microformats2]] parser written in Elixir: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Elixir
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loqi.me created /Elixir (+220) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-19/line/1455903473515 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /Elixir (+112) "stub IndieWeb Examples, see also WP article" (view diff)
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tantek !tell cjk101010 is your personal site backend written in Elixir? What's it called? Could you add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/Elixir#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk I'm starting to scope out this service I need, would appreciate any feedback: https://github.com/aaronpk/Percolator
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tantek what is Percolator?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Percolator" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10ET
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aaronpk this should let me start posting the full contents of reposts, and is also the beginning of gutting webmention.io
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tantek is it returning jf2?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk more or less
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aaronpk hoping to use this to help drive jf2 definition as well
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tantek is x-ray too modern?
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aaronpk ooh that's good too
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tantek I mean, return structured data, you're essentially highlighting the skeleton of the page ;)
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tantek the machine has a name, one sec
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aaronpk "German physicist Wilhelm Röntgen is usually credited as the discoverer of X-rays in 1895" ...
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aaronpk pretty close
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tantek radiograph
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tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiography
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tantek that sounds "in period"
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aaronpk i kinda like just "x-ray"
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aaronpk a little worried about the potential overlap of audio things with the term "radio"
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tantek ok then tomograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomograph
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aaronpk also x-ray works as a verb, and is pretty obvious what it's going to do
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tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomograph#Brief_history
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tantek so does tomograph (as a verb), just as "photograph" is a verb
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kylewm aaronpk: will it shim Instagram, Twitter, etc?
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah that too
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aaronpk i'm debating whether i should scrape the HTML from instagram/twitter or use their APIs, which might mean i'd need to do user auth to avoid rate limits
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tantek especially if you're shimming, that relates to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomograph#Types_of_tomography
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kylewm How about OGP if none of the above?
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tantek How about semantic HTML fallbacks that FB uses *instead of* OGP if none of the above?
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aaronpk fallbacks will be OEmbed and OGP
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kylewm API with credentials would give you access to private posts
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aaronpk interesting point, i wonder if that's good
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[kevinmarks] You can use the mf markup twitter has
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tantek a lot of OGP *on other silos* is polluted with ads for those silos
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aaronpk oh that's hilarious. there are facebook OGP tags on twitter permalinks
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[kevinmarks] Yes, the ogp data is often crap
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tantek right, twitter itself does not use their own twitter card markup
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aaronpk wow and twitter supports oembed too
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aaronpk the content of their oembed response isn't very useful tho
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[kevinmarks] The embedded tweets have mf markup, but you can't get at it easily
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tantek KevinMarks: I thought there was an endpoint that Twitter's JS uses to get the embedded tweet content - to display on other sites that add Twitter's embed markup
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[kevinmarks] Ah, maybe. Not sure it's documented
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aaronpk jeez the embed dialog pops up over the new twitter modals and it looks horrible
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gRegorLove Modals on top of modals, all the way down
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[kevinmarks] Also they use the u- utility convention so you get spurious properties
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tantek who uses u utility?
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tantek you only get those IF they're inside an h-* root class
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tantek KevinMarks: there's no examples of actual pages returning spurious u utility properties - if you think there are, please share a parsed result URL
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[kevinmarks] The twitter embed markup had them lats time I looked. I'll check again when I'm not on the phone
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gRegorLove I use getskeleton.com for CSS and they have soem u-* utility classes
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@TechLifeWeb Self-hosted IFTTT clone. Could be #indieweb useful. https://twitter.com/ProductHunt/status/700734100244721665 (twitter.com/_/status/700749589104631808)
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@justagwailo Webmention first public working draft https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/700749705492434948)
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Did you get rid of URL slugs on your new site?
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aaronpk no
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gRegorLove Ah, found one. Your two latest articles just used a number
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aaronpk I explain the URL structure here: https://docs.p3k.io/
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gRegorLove Cool, thanks! Was looking for an example of the optional-slug design. I might be using that with a client blog.
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tantek gRegorLove: can you change their u-* classes to util-* and submit a pull request to see what happens?
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gRegorLove tantek: I *might* feel comfortable posting a github issue requesting if such an update is cool. I'd be surprised if they said yes, though, since it would break backwards compatibility.
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gRegorLove More likely, I'll just update my usage locally. It's small and there's only a couple utility classes
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tantek it's good either way. if they say no (reject the issue) then it's justification to fork it
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tantek and the publish the util-* alternative with reasoning why it is better than u-* for utility class names, and encourage people to switch to it
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gRegorLove True, though I won't be maintaining such a fork :)
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gRegorLove What is Skeleton?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Skeleton" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EU
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tantek gRegorLove: if you do it for yourself, you are maintaining it
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tantek whether you do it quietly or with fanfare is a different question
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[shaners] Loqi, morning.
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 22 hours, 53 minutes ago: @simplebits http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455826151135
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gRegorLove I meant as a public project on github
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 22 hours, 50 minutes ago: it was a back/forth process between me conveying concepts to represent, @simplebits doing design possibilities, sharing them with me, me saying "more like that one", and after a couple of iterations we got pretty close to the current logo, and then he did look/feel/logotype refinements until we got what we have now. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-18/line/1455826307529
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Loqi yo
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tantek yo
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[shaners] oy
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gRegorLove Skeleton is a lightweight set of CSS for making responsive sites http://getskeleton.com
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loqi.me created /Skeleton (+114) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-19/line/1455908448747 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gregorlove.com edited /Skeleton (+71) "linkify, see also" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Heh, it's already been forked since the github project appears abandoned. http://legacyframework.xyz/
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gRegorLove Updating.
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aaronpk that's a terrible name
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gRegorLove Yep
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tantek does anyone actually Skeleton or are we documenting it for legacy purposes?
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tantek s/actually/actually use
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Loqi tantek meant to say: does anyone actually use Skeleton or are we documenting it for legacy purposes?
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gregorlove.com edited /Skeleton (+525) "appears abandoned, issues" (view diff)
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aaronpk I thought gRegorLove was saying he was using it
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gRegorLove Yes, I use it.
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tantek but you're forking it yourself for personal reasons right?
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tantek and not planning on taking updates (from an abandoned project?)
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gregorlove.com edited /Skeleton (+82) "IndieWeb Examples" (view diff)
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tantek or heck, if it's abandoned, that means it's waiting for someone to take it over
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tantek so that's an opportunity for you gRegorLove ! you can take it over and fix the problem !
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gRegorLove I guess I don't understand your use of the word "forking" here.
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gRegorLove It's been on my site since July. I have my own custom CSS additions. Since it's easy for me to update my copy of it, I will probably change u-* to util-*, but I'm not releasing it publicly.
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tantek forking is when you deliberately choose to take an open source project a different direction than the current "maintainers/deciders" of the project want
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gRegorLove There's already two forks
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gRegorLove As mentioned already, I have no desire to maintain this project publicly.
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tantek at least file the u- vs util- issue, with a recommended work around for anyone who happens to find the open source project
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tantek maybe someone else will come along and fix it later
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KevinMarks so who wants to fork suitcss?
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tantek KevinMarks is that what you're using?
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[shaners] in git land, forking is no longer such a definitive split in a project like it used to be. forking is part of the workflow.
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KevinMarks no, it's the most egregious example of u- spuriosity
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gRegorLove Yeah, I generally understand "forking". Just didn't necessarily consider me putting a CSS boilerplate on my own site and then adding my custom CSS to it "forking"
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gRegorLove I always though there was some public/distribution part to "forking"
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tantek yes, there's a public aspect to forking, which reflects why the cultural change that shaners mentioned has happened
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tantek you publicly "fork" a repo in order to suggest changes to it, thus publicly forking is no longer considered always a negative
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gRegorLove I just found out today it was abandoned, heh. So thanks, /wikify :)
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aaronpk I almost used it for a project, glad I didn't
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tantek really wondering what the appeal of these frameworks are
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tantek like what itch are they scratching? what use-case(s)?
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miklb tantek: that's an interesting perspective. I alyways thought ”clone“ and issue pull request for making suggestions, fork for taking project in different direction.
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gRegorLove I've used it a few times and generally like it. It doesn't do nested rows great, but for simple grid-based sites it's been fine.
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aaronpk i'm using http://semantic-ui.com on aaronparecki.com now
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KevinMarks the 'I can't be arsed to write css by hand' itch
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tantek lol
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aaronpk I mostly like all the little components and things that these come with, saves me from making buttons look like buttons every damn time
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kylewm I used skeleton on an earlier iteration of my site's theme. thought it was quite nice. small enough to all fit in my head
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gRegorLove Can definitely be helpful for people who don't know how to design well
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aaronpk or don't want to
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gRegorLove / don't want to worry about typography, responsive, etc.
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tantek aaronpk: you mean <a href> buttons? or <button> buttons?
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aaronpk all of the above
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aaronpk plus the rest of form thingies http://semantic-ui.com/collections/form.html
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tantek huh
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aaronpk most of the time, i'm making things where the goal is not to have the best design or even a unique design, but I want it to look reasonably good
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aaronpk so these things let me forget about css and spend time on the problem i'm actually solving
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gRegorLove Yeah, makes a nice base design.
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tantek interesting, so you don't care if the design looks "generic"?
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aaronpk most of the time no
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tantek I mean like now the problem where so many sites look "bootstrappy" ?
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tantek so they all kinda awkwardly look the same?
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aaronpk now if i were a web design firm selling my design services, that's a different story
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KevinMarks in effect, they are an implict condemnation of browser default stylesheets
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aaronpk looking "bootstrappy" is better than looking like default browser styles so i dont really mind
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tantek got it
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KevinMarks if you don't use one of these, and let the html defaults operate, you look non-standard
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gRegorLove What is Bootstrap?
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Loqi Bootstrap is a large collection of boilerplate HTML and CSS styles and components originally developed by Twitter https://indiewebcamp.com/Bootstrap
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miklb s/large/monolithic/ :-P
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gRegorLove Heh
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gRegorLove Submit a PR to rename it "Kitchen Sink"? :)
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miklb to be fair, I think their download page allows you customize what elements you want to minimize its size.
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KevinMarks bootstrap is http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/02/15/our-companys-greatest-project/
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gRegorLove Hahah, love the "in the cloud" part on http://legacyframework.xyz/. Umm, ok?
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gRegorLove CSS delivered from the internet? Amazing!
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KevinMarks at least their text is black
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KevinMarks is legacy framework a joke?
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tantek is that like a framework for leaving a legacy?
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KevinMarks doe legacyframework.xyz have a github?
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gRegorLove I haven't found it if so, KevinMarks
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KevinMarks I quite like this one: https://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/
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gRegorLove Looks like they're using "Legacy.css" on their own site, so that's good. Their contact us email is @akeo.xyz, which is still using skeleton.css
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gRegorLove Tufte CSS looks nice. I'll have to check it out.
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tantek ok KevinMarks, gRegorLove, aaronpk - captured your use-cases for better default styling CSS (not really a "framework" per se, since you're not writing "stylesheets" in it *instead of* CSS)
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KevinMarks here's another example: http://milligram.github.io/
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tantek most of what you said as itches I was already doing for my foundational stylesheet "elementica.css" but your specific requests will help guide future iterations
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tantek KevinMarks: the Tufte stylesheet is a bit more stylistically opinionated - so unless you can show me someone using it in the wild on their own personal site, I'll take it as a datapoint, but not foundational
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gRegorLove tantek: Oh, don't think I mentioned. My primary reason for using Skeleton on my own site was to add a responsive grid without all the bloat of using Bootstrap. All the typography and other design I had pretty much to my liking.
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KevinMarks I may adopt it as it is close to the style I already have, but typographically clearer
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tantek gRegorLove: that's a very good thing to mention on /Skeleton#Why
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KevinMarks and Hoefler has side effects I wasn't aware of
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KevinMarks where did you capture this, tantek?
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KevinMarks aaron, did you say you moved off bootstrap?
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tantek KevinMarks: stylesheets-next-actions.txt :)
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aaronpk yea, using semantic-ui now
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tantek what is semantic-ui?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "semantic-ui" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EV
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gregorlove.com edited /Skeleton (+127) "Why" (view diff)
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KevinMarks want to update https://indiewebcamp.com/Bootstrap
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kylewm KevinMarks: wasn't milligram the one you filed an issue for contrast and they closed it?
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KevinMarks yep
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aaronpk semantic-ui is a CSS framework. http://semantic-ui.com/
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks do we have a page listing the frameworks and pros and cocs?
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KevinMarks s/cocs/cons/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: do we have a page listing the frameworks and pros and cons?
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tantek what is a CSS framework?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CSS framework" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EW
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tantek ^^^ there you go KevinMarks
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KevinMarks not sure how to define tho'
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aaronpk ooh .bot TLD Is getting released soon
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gRegorLove Loqi.bot
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Loqi grins profusely
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aaronpk that probably has to happen
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aaronparecki.com edited /semantic-ui (+112) "indieweb examples" (view diff)
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aaronpk 2 hours til this-week goes out
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tantek and the mad rush to create new wiki pages commences
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aaronpk don't forget to submit things to indienews too!
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tantek still too lazy to do that
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aaronpk it's literally just sending a webmention tho
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aaronpk it's okay, i submitted a bookmark of your going silo-private post anyway
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tantek does it then unwrap the bookmark and act like you submitted the link itself? reddit style?
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aaronpk it looks like it's from you, but submitted by me http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en
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aaronpk specifically http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb
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gRegorLove What is Tufte CSS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Tufte CSS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EX
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tantek aaronpk: nice! that's exactly what I meant by unwrapping the bookmark and making it look reddit style. nice work!!
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KevinMarks a CSS Framework is a way to swap understanding the mysteries of CSS for a set of generic decision made by someone else wiht its own set of mysteries that have been through less peer review. Examples include [[Bootstrap]], [[semantic-ui]] and [[Skeleton]]
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loqi.me created /CSS_Framework (+280) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-19/line/1455912076065 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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miklb aaronpk: no feed for the indienews page?
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aaronpk it's an mf2 feed
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miklb what is mf2 feed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mf2 feed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EZ
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aaronpk but no there is no separate feed file
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loqi.me created /snarkinition (+180) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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aaronpk mf2 feed is /feed
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loqi.me created /mf2_feed (+17) "prompted by miklb https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-19/line/1455912565922 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks Tufte CSS is a [[CSS Framework]] for making web articles look like Edward Tufte's books it's at https://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove What is CSS reset?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CSS reset" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10E_
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gRegorLove What is reset?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reset" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ea
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gRegorLove Huh, though we had a CSS reset page
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gRegorLove s/though/thought/
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: Huh, thought we had a CSS reset page
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tantek reset is a common feature of devices, and some silos, to reset your [[settings]] to factory / new account defaults.
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Loqi ok
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tantek usercentric++
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gRegorLove adds indienews subscription to Woodwind
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gRegorLove Don't know why I'd never thought of that until today
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aaronpk add /this-week while you're at it!
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tantek what is this-week?
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWebCamp community https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week
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@eay Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web/ #IndieWeb ftw! (twitter.com/_/status/700776259723386881)
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tantek what are Pingbacks?
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Loqi pingback is a legacy XML-RPC based protocol for web sites to notify other web sites when they've posted a link to them (respectively) https://indiewebcamp.com/pingbacks
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tantek what is W3C?
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Loqi The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international standards organization for the world wide web https://indiewebcamp.com/W3C
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Loqi [indieweb] "Remember WordPress' Pingbacks? The W3C wants us to use them across the whole web: ftw!" https://twitter.com/eay/status/700776259723386881
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GWG That article certainly is making the rounds
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GWG I need to finish my Indieweb plugin work.
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GWG I thought it would be done by now.
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@h_k_schmitz Düsseldorf - IndieWebCamp building & sharing open web technologies barcamp 7. - 8. Mai 2016 http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/700780017555476480)
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tantek what is indieweb plugin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb plugin" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ed
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GWG We never settled that.
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GWG There was a suggestion that I iterate the Getting_Started_on_WordPress page first
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KartikPrabhu write first organise later
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tantek GWG, you speak of it in IRC, therefore you should at least define it with a stub wiki page
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GWG Should it be under WordPress Indieweb plugin or just Indieweb plugin?
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tantek whatever you prefer. start somewhere and we can always move/redirect/rename later
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cjk101010 slowly getting there… https://github.com/ckruse/microformats2-elixir
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Loqi cjk101010: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 55 minutes ago: is your personal site backend written in Elixir? What's it called? Could you add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/Elixir#IndieWeb_Examples ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-19/line/1455904232576
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cjk101010 tantek: yes, it is written in elixir using phoenix http://www.phoenixframework.org/
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tantek what is Phoenix?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Phoenix" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ee
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cjk101010 a web framework similiar to rails written in elixir
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tantek cjk101010: if you precede that with "Phoenix is" then Loqi will create a page with definition on it for you!
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tantek try it!
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cjk101010 Phoenix is a web framework written in Elixir, very similiar to Ruby on Rails
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loqi.me created /Phoenix (+103) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-19/line/1455914819416 and dfn added by cjk101010" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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cjk101010 cool
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KevinMarks is a web framework different from a css framework?
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cjk101010 very different… a web framework handles things like routing, database access, template parsing, etc. it makes writing web applications easier
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KevinMarks what is a web framework?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web framework" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ef
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tantek.com edited /Phoenix (+81) "linky linky, indieweb examples stub, see also" (view diff)
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KevinMarks say that again…
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tantek or say it in the form "x is definition-here"
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GWG I just want to get this right. I refuse to declare it complete until I would use it.
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tantek GWG, sure, you can still name/stub it in the meanwhile
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GWG Yes. Just pondering my procrastination out loud
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cjk101010 web framework is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_framework
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loqi.me created /web_framework (+87) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-19/line/1455914972846 and dfn added by cjk101010" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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cjk101010 hm, irc bot interaction with the wiki is very nice
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aaronpk thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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gRegorLove Loqi is the coolest
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tantek cjk101010: better to use your own words (like what you said above in IRC) than wikipedia link for the definition. a wp link is fine for see also
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tantek.com edited /Phoenix (+13) "see also" (view diff)
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cjk101010 tantek: I find it hard to define a web framework suitable for a wiki in an IRC line, to be honest
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tantek what you said above sounded pretty good!
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GWG https://blog.linode.com/2016/02/19/security-investigation-retrospective/
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tantek.com edited /language (+13) "/* Programming languages */ Elixir" (view diff)
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tantek what is Linode?
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Loqi Linode is a company that provides virtual private servers and DNS hosting https://indiewebcamp.com/Linode
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tantek GWG, add to ^^^ ?
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GWG I will when I am on my computer
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cjk101010 A web framework is a software for handling routing, database access, template parsing, etc. It makes writing web applications easier
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GWG I find wiki updating on a mobile device painful
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cjk101010 ok, web then ;-)
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tantek cjk101010: the "is" definition trick only works once per term - then you have to edit the page normally to update it :)
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GWG I will be heading home soon
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wwwtech.de about edited /web_framework (+126) (view diff)
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KevinMarks hm, randall monroe is silo throttling rather than quitting? http://xkcd.com/862/
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KevinMarks s/is/on/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: hm, randall monroe on silo throttling rather than quitting? http://xkcd.com/862/
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tantek more than silos though - that's more like distraction throttling
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tantek including news sites
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Loqi [indieweb] "nobantu: Final hours of EarlyBird tickets 4 22nd Internet Identity Workshop! #IIW @idworkshop #IoT #blockchain #UMA #indieweb" https://twitter.com/nobantu/status/700697997269577728
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aaronpk how is superfeedr finding tweets!
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tantek when is this-week?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ perhaps you could add an h-event that says when it will be collected/published for the week?
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wwwtech.de about edited /Phoenix (+4) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: hmm - in https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-02-19.html - ids for headings? e.g. "Posts from IndieNews"
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tantek also why is the heading for my post "tantek.com" did I do something wrong?
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aaronpk checking
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aaronpk ah it's a bug with my long-name detection
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tantek hmm http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb has the p-name correct for the h-entry, and it's not in my "content" as a string so ... ?
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aaronpk refresh
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tantek.com edited /Kindle (-53) "no need to double link tweet about require software updates or else" (view diff)
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tantek fixed Kindle but too late
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aaronpk it's almost like it should generate a draft and post a link here ahead of time
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tantek aaronpk: would it be useful to have some way to see which new pages had empty dfns
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@tomwiththeweath RT @nobantu Final hours of EarlyBird tickets 4 22nd Internet Identity Workshop! https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xxii-22-2016a-tickets-19430016703 #IIW @idworkshop #IoT #blockchain #UMA #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/700788215435755520)
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aaronpk crontab doesn't work well with timezones
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tantek what is crontab?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "crontab" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Eg
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aaronpk i can't make a cron job that runs at 1:50pm pacific time
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aaronpk i can make a job that runs at 1:50 pacific *daylight* time and pacific *standard* time, but it will move around depending on DST
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aaronpk mailchimp is set to send at 2pm pacific time, so I'm assuming it will change that to -0700 a couple weeks from now
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tantek timezones--
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Loqi timezones has -8 karma
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^ you can change that to -7 in a couple of weeks too
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aaronpk i have to pre-generate the RSS feed that mailchimp pulls from, so i have to have the cron job make it twice
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aaronpk in standard time, it generates it once 1.5 hrs before and again .5 hrs before, and in DST it generates it .5 hr before and .5 after
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aaronparecki.com edited /this-week-in-the-indieweb (+281) "add details about when the post is generated" (view diff)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/ginamvh/status/590870299660460032
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@ginamvh Never gets old! #feministhackerbarbie [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/590870299660460032)
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funwhilelost Most timezone libraries support locales with daylight savings automatically (e.g. "America/Los_Angeles" goes back and forth between PDT and PST when appropriate).
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aaronpk yeah cron doesn't do that :P
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aaronpk ok new plan, i'm just going to have to remember to change the cron schedule on March 14
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funwhilelost cron on what OS?
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aaronpk ubuntu
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funwhilelost CRON_TZ=America/New_York
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funwhilelost Or similar should work
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KevinMarks set another cron to changw the first cron
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aaronpk can I do that for only one cron job?
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funwhilelost lol
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funwhilelost You could set it up under another user.
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aaronpk too complicated
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-02-19.html
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aaronparecki.com edited /this-week-in-the-indieweb (+64) "update schedule info" (view diff)
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tantek neat!
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tantek for new pages, would a featured photo make sense? or icon?
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aaronpk pretty sure most of the new pages don't have a photo, but i could add it if it's there
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tantek none of them do, just checked :/
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-02-19.html (twitter.com/_/status/700802042453848064)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Tumblr (+364) "/* Criticisms */" (view diff)
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bear @aaronpk I have a cronjob to email me a week before DST change to prepare for the time change mess it always causes
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tantek anyone here use /Timehop and/or Facebook's "On This Day" feature?
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KevinMarks I used to use timehop
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aaronpk I used to use timehop
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aaronpk jinx
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KevinMarks google photos on this day is better than fb's for me
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aaronpk i started getting weirded out at being reminded how fast the year goes
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tantek.com edited /Timehop (+56) "questions, on this day" (view diff)
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KevinMarks it does little montage things https://goo.gl/photos/fKoGDwhvP5G6LyP39
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petermolnar.eu edited /Tumblr (+4) "/* Criticisms */" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /on_this_day (+163) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /on_this_day (+154) "examples, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+18) "/* Features */ on this day" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /on_this_day (+319) "Brainstorming / Ordinal Day" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+62) "/* archive navigation */ on this day" (view diff)
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aaronpk interesting!
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tantek what in particular?
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aaronpk that you are planning on adding it to Falcon
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aaronpk not quite sure what that means!
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /File:google-onthisday.jpg "an example of a Google Photos generated on this day image for 2016-02-19"
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tantek I mean I can kind of hack it just by changing the /YYYY/ in the URL and trimming the /type
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kevinmarks.com edited /on_this_day (+128) "/* Silo Examples */" (view diff)
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aaronpk huh, I wonder if my day permalinks should show the posts in chronological order instead of reverse chronological
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KevinMarks you could make an onthisday h-feed to subscribe to
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tantek hmm not a very eventful day for me today apparently
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tantek 50th day of the year
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tantek aaronpk: I'm thinking of "on this day" as just another archive navigation axis
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tantek both past and *future* (e.g. when viewing past posts)
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aaronpk aha
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tantek would also work to show future planned/RSVPd events that haven't happened yet
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KevinMarks a manual one: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/on-this-day-2008-the-hunger-for-viral-growth-is
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KevinMarks :D
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@matrixdotorg RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: I connect the matrix chat system to the indieweb here http://whatthefuck.computer/blog/2015/12/19/matrix-and-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/700811748765523971)
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gRegorLove Got my first twii email. Looks good!
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kylewm writing html email is a fun exercise in 1990s era html
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kylewm (so i'm impressed it looks so good)
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aaronpk i let mailchimp do most of the work
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aaronpk they pull the really basic HTML from the RSS feed
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KevinMarks http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/01/21/anything-goes/
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kylewm commitstrip is the new xkcd!
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aaronpk not a good sign for Flickr: http://www.reuters.com/article/yahoo-strategicalternatives-idUSKCN0VS1RS
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kylewm (in terms of having a relevant comic for everything)
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kylewm nor Tumblr, right?
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gRegorLove Hmm. Need to bump up Flickr independence on my todo list.
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aaronpk same