#indiewebcamp 2016-02-21

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aaronpk
8/8 pass!
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aaronpk
yesss this is amazing
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snarfed
aaronpk++ congrats!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 76 karma
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aaronpk
it's barebones, only parses mf2 right now, but it implements the full authorship discovery algorithm!
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aaronpk
actually feeds are just totally not implemented yet
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aaronpk
oh funny, it thinks your about page is an h-entry
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snarfed
my / does have an h-card outside of the h-feed
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aaronpk
hm, your about page *is* an h-entry
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snarfed
also the timeout seems a bit low? <4s?
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aaronpk
yeah it's pretty low
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snarfed
regardless
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snarfed
congrats!
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aaronpk
that one doesn't work because the h-card needs a url property of the page URL
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aaronpk
that prevents false positives where it would just match the first h-card on a URL
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kylewm
^ had the same problem with silopub
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kylewm
I did, on another thing
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aaronpk
this is actually most useful for post permalinks anyway. that it works on h-cards at all is really just something i threw in because it wasn't much extra code
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aaronpk
hm, looking at snarfed.org, is it actually safe to assume the first h-card (child item of the h-feed) represents the feed author?
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aaronpk
snarfed: is it possible to add a p-author property on your h-card instead, so that it actually shows up as the author property of the h-feed?
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bear
doesn't like my mf2 at all :/
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bear
oh - requires a trailing /
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aaronpk
i should probably normalize the input URL
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Loqi
definitely
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aaronpk
oh wait that URL it found is bad
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bear
hmm, looks like my about mf2 info is malformed
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bear
finds my name, photo but gets the wrong url
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aaronpk
i think i can fix that
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bear
well, I have never checked if my h-card is correct
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bear
odd - it finds the xmpp:// url out of the 6 or so I list as rel=me
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aaronpk
it's just taking the first one right now, i'll make it smarter
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bear
hmm, I should fix my h-card - it doesn't list itself at all
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aaronpk
i see https://bear.im/ as the last url
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bear
oh? ahh - I put it down with the footer
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bear
cool - now I can rummage thru this code to clean up my authorship discovery :)
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GWG
Okay, my main site is now using Let's Encrypt
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bear
gwg++
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GWG
Box ticked on To Do List
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aaronpk
GWG++ congrats!
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Loqi
gwg has 146 karma
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Loqi
GWG has 147 karma
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GWG
It would be a better ++ if I wasn't avoiding more tax paperwork.
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aaronpk
bear: fixed!
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bear
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 77 karma
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aaronpk
interesting. bear's feed page also has the author h-card as just another child of the feed
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bear
is that wrong?
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aaronpk
needs a version of the authorship algorithm for feed pages
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aaronpk
I don't know, so far of the two examples i've looked at they've both done it that way!
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aaronpk
so that means it can't be that wrong, right?
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bear
well... it's too small of a sample really
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aaronpk
i'm just not sure how i could programmatically tell that is the author
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aaronpk
since a feed might contain other h-cards, like venues
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bear
nods
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bear
my h-card is outside of the part of <section /> that defines the h-feed
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bear
I did that thinking it would be used as the h-card for the feed and not a item in it
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aaronpk
oh you're right, i mis-read
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bear
maybe the use of <section> is confusing it
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aaronpk
then yeah theres' really no connection between that feed and the h-card
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bear
except they appear on the same url
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aaronpk
if there was a u-url property with the same URL as that h-card i could match them thatway
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bear
a u-url for the h-feed?
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aaronpk
u-author sorry
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bear
so am I
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aaronpk
I suppose I could tell that all the entries have the same author URL, and that could imply the feed author
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bear
my u-author points to my main h-card at /
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aaronpk
the u-author of the h-entrys, yeah. but there's no author property on the feed itself
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bear
do you have an example?
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sknebel
(bear: bear.im/ links to circle.com as CircleCi, shouldn't that be circleci.com?)
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aaronpk
no author property there
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bear
sknebel - oh? i'll fix that - thanks
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bear
aaronpk - do you have an example of a h-feed with a u-author I mean
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aaronpk
oh, not yet
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bear
aaronpk - ok, I just changed it to have a u-author <a> just inside of the h-feed
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snarfed
aaronpk: still want me to add p-author? or is it under debate?
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aaronpk
probably better to start collecting examples of what people have done so far instead of changing things
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aaronpk
gotta run for now!
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bear
waves
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snarfed
by mathpunk?
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[aaronpk]
Oh dear
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@vengerovski
Sending #webmention and pingback notifications with #PHP under the #W3C Social Web https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php
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Loqi
[bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@Joi that's a shame - do tell your media lab colleagues interested in the open w...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/701252966653652992)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Joi Ito replied '@kevinmarks @davewiner I'm Chicago those dates unfortunately...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT (https://twitter.com/Joi/status/701251555421507585)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Joi Ito replied '@kevinmarks cc: @civicMIT @EthanZ @natematias @erhardt' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT (https://twitter.com/Joi/status/701253474000965632)
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[aaronpk]
"We have approved your request for additional quota. Your new quota should take effect within one hour of receiving this message." \o/
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[aaronpk]
Now I can launch XRay on app engine!
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snarfed
interesting! yay
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Loqi
woot
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snarfed
aaronpk: first service of yours on app engine?
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snarfed
i guess must not be if you're out of app ids
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[aaronpk]
indiewebify.me is on my account for a while now
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[aaronpk]
I made a couple other attempt at apps there that I have since deleted
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[aaronpk]
I think their counter is in total, not just currently running apps
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[aaronpk]
But this will be the first that will get actual consistent usage, since it's going to be a dependency for webmention.io, Loqi, Monocle and my reply contexts!
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@rrrrrrrix
Shoulda published this as a webmention, oh well.
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@sugarshackbb
RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 73
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@jabwriter
RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 73
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@ReadersGazette
BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 73
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@adriansalter315
RT @WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 73
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@WendyandCharles
ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 73
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@Deiphos81
RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 73
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Loqi
[indieweb] "[priv] Going Silo-Private to Prefer the IndieWeb, Leave Silo Publics, and Pioneer Privacy on the Independent Web - Tantek" by maxbarners http://tantek.com/2016/048/b1/going-silo-private-prefer-indieweb
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aaronpk
good morning!
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Tino
good morning (end of the afternoon here) :)
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aaronpk
hm can a post be a repost of multiple URLs?
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jeancflanagan.com
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[kevinmarks]
At that point it is more like a collection or a post with citations
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aaronpk
maybe if someone was reposting a post that was syndicated they would include all the alternate URLs for the post?
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tantek
aaronpk: that's like including all the comments for a post when reposting it
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tantek
stuff about the post
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tantek
I mean, we do some of that, e.g. beyond the permalink, the "name" of the post, author, author name, author URL, author icon
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aaronpk
actually in that case wouldn't it be more appropriate to have the repost-of property be an h-cite that has syndication properties?
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tantek
in reposts and reply-contexts
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tantek
right
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tantek
!tell GWG when was the last time you heard from zachdonovan?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
Right after IWC NYC. He said he'd been swamped at his new job.
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Loqi
GWG: tantek left you a message 5 minutes ago: when was the last time you heard from zachdonovan? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-21/line/1456078733330
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tantek
GWG, got it - at least you heard back!
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tantek
so he's still interested, just constrained?
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GWG
He was sorry he missed it.
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GWG
Yes. When we tried HWC, he was in a different position
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tantek
GWG, ask him when (like which month) this year might work for him for another IWC NYC
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GWG
Will do. Can I propose a snowless month?
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GWG
I was really upset I got stranded the last days.
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tantek
!tell voxpelli have you seen thatemil in IRC? And how's HWC Malmö planning for 2016?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
GWG, sorry to hear about the stranding.
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tantek
yes, a snowless month would be fine :)
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voxpelli
tantek: HWC Malmö is on hold right now, both me and thatemil currently has too much on our plates :/
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Loqi
voxpelli: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: have you seen thatemil in IRC? And how's HWC Malmö planning for 2016? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-21/line/1456079306445
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GWG
Also hoping for more flexibility soon to attend things
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tantek.com
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tantek
voxpelli: got it.
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voxpelli
Hopefully we will rejoin in March or April
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andrijevik.net
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tantek
good to set expectations
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tantek
speaking of
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tantek
!tell jgarber hey time for you to edit and upgrade HWC DC to "Regular Meetings" from "Up and coming" - https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Meetings ! :)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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loqi.me
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tantek.com
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tantek
hey aaronpk we need an IndieEvent to RSVP to for /2016 :) https://indiewebcamp.com/2016#RSVP (and FB POSSE copy if you don't mind!)
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aaronpk
oh goody, time to test out my new RSVP handling
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Loqi
[indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit 2016" http://calagator.org/events/1250469845
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aaronparecki.com
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tantek
aaronpk ^^^ confused about that Sarah Sharp notification - I don't see where she linked to *micropub*, just the bridgy notification of her tweet that linked to webmention
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aaronpk
yeah bridgy thinks i have 4 websites
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aaronpk
because i list micropub.net and oauth.net in my twitter bio
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aaronpk
so every home page mention to me is also sent as a home page mention to those
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aaronpk
I proposed a solution in IRC the other day. not sure where that left off.
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tantek
did it get logged into a github issue at least?
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aaronpk
looks like not
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tantek
thought I saw something like a UI to uncheck domains it found for you or something
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tantek
what about if there's a "website" then it takes precedence over any URLs in the bio?
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tantek
I can understand that some people only put URLs in bios (have seen it I think)
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aaronpk
i think a bunch of people actually want to link their twitter to multiple wbesites
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tantek
with Bridgy?
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aaronpk
which is why this got added in the first place
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tantek
weird. was there a github issue that tracked that at least? would be interesting to see what drove this design (if a better design is possible)
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tantek
wonder what happened to that histogram
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tantek
ok I'll bite
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tantek
alright, offered a refined suggestion that does not require any config UI
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aaronpk
no-ui++
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Loqi
no-ui has 1 karma
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tantek
configless++
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Loqi
configless has 1 karma
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aaronpk
that's better
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tantek
UIs are fine. It's config/prefs that are a copout (most of the time)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Just to get this clear. Everything social media sucks. ..." http://belp.audio/post/139733123867
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tantek
perhaps we should do a parody album cover
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tantek
Nevermind Social Media, Here's The Indie Web
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tantek
what is social media?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "social media" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10En
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tantek
social media is the marketing term for [[silos]] and silo [[posts]].
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loqi.me
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tantek.com
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Schnitz
hi there
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Schnitz
hi there
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tantek
welcome back Schnitz
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Schnitz
thanks pal...
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tantek
Schnitz, your post "Just to get this clear. Everything social media sucks. ..." inspired this: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-21/line/1456085445663
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Schnitz
great! :-)
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Schnitz
yeah definitely
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Schnitz
ok I have this technical question
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tantek
what is this?
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Loqi
This. (AKA THIS. or This: or THIS:) is type of quotation post similar in meaning to a combined like & repost where the text "This." is stated on a line by itself after the quotation, or the text "This:" is stated before a quotation or URL to express a strong affirmation or agreement with the referenced quotation or article http://indiewebcamp.com/this
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Schnitz
kinda unsure to ask, becuase I'm not quite sure my idea as a good one
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tantek
we have technical answers for this :)
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Schnitz
I trying to build this page http://schamonimusik.site44.com/
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Schnitz
and I want to add the mobile views of the Silos under each of the h1s
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Schnitz
as an iframe
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tantek
that sounds like a kevinmarks hack :)
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Schnitz
I just want a start page that sits "ontop" of everything
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Schnitz
should impress stupid silo users
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Schnitz
where can I see kevinmarks example?
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Schnitz
'cos it seems some silos are blocking this
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tantek
framebusting JS likely
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Schnitz
specifically, I have trouble loading this https://m.facebook.com/Schamonifilm/ into an iframe
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tantek
I wonder if you can iframe something and say don't run any scripts in it
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tantek
that would be cool
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tantek
totally want js;dr iframes!
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Schnitz
right TANTEK!
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Schnitz
yes exactly
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tantek
I feel like CSP should be able to do that
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Schnitz
wow thanks :-)
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tantek
or maybe iframe sandbox
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Schnitz
now If you had a page that basically aggregate all your silos representations into one page via e.g. iframes, its kinda like bridgy, you become the top level element again
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tantek
sounds like a portal
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Schnitz
well just for the eyes of the user, I know, accessibility problems, etc.
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Schnitz
right right
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Schnitz
having a hard time getting those silos to show me something I can put into an iframe... has anyone tried this`?
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Schnitz
youtube for instance specifically allows this!
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Schnitz
but fb, souncloud and tumblr I have to check out right now, and fb doesn't seem to work
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Schnitz
maybe there is for example yet another low-profile view of fb one could load? instead of "m.facebook" for mobile?
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tantek
Schnitz: sounds like you're looking for an "embed"
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tantek
many silos have oembed support for this
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tantek
still, an interesting use-case
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tantek
definitely worth documenting
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Schnitz
ok when you say so
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tantek
do you have a mockup screenshot of what you want it to look like?
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tantek.com
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Schnitz
you can see it over at http://www.schamonimusik.com with 'upcoming' and then the embedded youtube video 'hanging' under the h1 as if it was part of the LINK
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Schnitz
now imaging this with all your silo accounts
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tantek
Schnitz: start building it one silo at a time, based on what you can get to work today!
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tantek
aaronpk: I started outlining the schedule: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016#Schedule
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Schnitz
I will, I basically am lacking documentation for e.g. facebook whether there is embed support, but I mind find that somewhere...
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Schnitz
s/mind/might
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aaronpk
oh I should make the ti.to registration page again. I think that worked well last year.
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Loqi
Schnitz meant to say: I will, I basically am lacking documentation for e.g. facebook whether there is embed support, but I might find that somewhere...
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tantek
ok I'll volunteer to help co-organize IWS :)
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tantek
I can get Mozilla to sponsor coffee again too
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Schnitz
ok great found tumblr
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Schnitz
and yes that can be iframed, great: http://schamonimusik.site44.com/
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Schnitz
need to update css
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Schnitz
wow I wasn't aware that CSS cascades thru to an iframe...
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tantek.com
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tantek
it does not
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tantek
aaronpk, for /2013 /2014 /2015 , could you pick the "best" / most representative photo and shrink/float-right it like we have on /2012 and /2011 ?
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aaronpk
wow the likespam on twitter is getting ridiculous
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@sirmlivesey
Phones are powerful enough to be servers. Let them serve the data you want posting to platforms. #MWC #indieweb
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tantek
aaronpk: likespam is one of the things that motivated me to look into taking my IG private
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tantek
even when I block/report the likespammers, their "like" still shows up on my photos
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tantek
and thus people can still click through to them, from *my* content, which I don't want
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tantek
same problem with Twitter actually
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aaronpk
ick, yeah
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aaronpk
and now bridgy is backfeeding these so my website links to them too
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tantek
because neither implements /block correctly (unlike Flickr, who does block correctly)
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tantek
ok this one is your
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tantek
s/your/yours
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: ok this one is yours
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tantek
what is likespam?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "likespam" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Eo
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@FranceNet_Geek
RT sirmlivesey Phones are powerful enough to be servers. Let them serve the data you want posting to platforms. #MWC #indieweb
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aaronpk
likespam is one of the things that motivated tantek to make his Instagram account private
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loqi.me
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Schnitz
tantek wow that *is* funky, no the CSS *does* cascade into the iframe, at least here on my chrome (need to check ff in a sec)... http://schamonimusik.site44.com/
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Schnitz
the tumblr iframe
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tantek
pretty sure that's a security problem if you can make that happen ;)
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Schnitz
yes absolutely!
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Schnitz
I remember very well, this shouldn't be possible
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Schnitz
is bit puzzled right, needs dinner to think about what the options are now...
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tantek
aaronpk, at least cite the IRC thread for /likespam so it has *some* context :P
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Schnitz
if this hack really works I could potentially aggregate an embedded silo stream into an indieweb page and completely make it look like the rest of the page via css... not even showing anyone that the content is served from a silo(!) ... thats mindblowing!
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tantek
sounds like stylish PESOS :P
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Schnitz
depends
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Schnitz
yeah POSSE of couese always better than PESOS, sure
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Schnitz
it depends, because sometimes semantically silos are different
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Schnitz
I thought about this for a while
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Schnitz
for instance
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Schnitz
schamonimusik fb is german
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Schnitz
and schamonimusik tumblr is english
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Schnitz
so POSSEing isn't so much the point
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Schnitz
since you have different audiences
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Schnitz
just as one example
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tantek
Schnitz: you should chat with voxpelli about posting in multiple languages, I do think there are folks here who have thought about this and figured out good approaches, using their own websites.
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tantek
I think Jeena also does this
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Schnitz
interesting, noted!
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@RikMende
RT @sirmlivesey Phones are powerful enough to be servers. Let them serve the data you want posting to platforms. #MWC #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/701514048584728576)
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tantek
and there's a few folks who write posts in German and/or English
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Schnitz
thanks for that piece of information, tantek
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aaronpk
getting webmentions from stackoverflow posts is pretty neat
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Loqi
microformats2 parsing brainstorming
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voxpelli
Would be great with additional feedback on that I think
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Schnitz
is away
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aaronpk
!tell tantek do you want me to replace the large photos on /2013 /2014 /2015 or should I move those down to put the thumbnail up at the top?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@RikMende
bookmarked from Aaron Parecki, use Telegraph to receive webmentions #indieweb https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/20/5/global-webmentions
(twitter.com/_/status/701518011363004416)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "bookmarked from Aaron Parecki, use Telegraph to receive webmentions #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/20/5/global-webmentions
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@tedder42
@ScaleItRon okay, but I think twtxt is cool in the indieweb way too.
(twitter.com/_/status/701524963061182464)
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aaronpk
just restored my articles.atom and notes.atom URLs thanks to granary-demo.appspot.com
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aaronpk
and just saw a bot crawl them which is running https://github.com/swanson/stringer
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Guest71019
aaronpk, the mini-float-right-photos at the top should be *in addition* to, and likely should even be marked up with u-featured!
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KartikPrabhu
mini-float-right-photos?
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tantek_
kartikprabhu see /2012 for an example
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Loqi
tantek_: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour ago: do you want me to replace the large photos on /2013 /2014 /2015 or should I move those down to put the thumbnail up at the top? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-21/line/1456089478368
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tantek_
is looking through old email archives and finding email notifications of comments on /Plancast posts - may need to mine those later for import now that plancast.com is down
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KartikPrabhu
oh i see. I thought you were talking about aaronpk's site
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tantek_
ideally all of our pages should have *some* sort of u-featured photo or graphic for nicer embedding / link-preview
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tantek_
it makes sense to start with the pages that already have nice photos, like all our events
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KartikPrabhu
do people consume u-featured? apart from KevinMarks' story cards
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tantek_
ok that we have emojicon placeholders in many others
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tantek_
kartikprabhu not sure - perhaps try the /readers
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charles.stanho.pe
edited /snarkinition (+0) "/* See Also */ Fixed link to CSS Framework"
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tantek__
speaking of
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tantek__
Google haz zero results: https://www.google.com/search?q=snarkinition (right now)
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tantek__
and I didn't realize that I was apparently making up the term as it were
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@leibniz
#IndieWebCamp status w/ my Jekyll blog: ✅ Got my own domain name ✅ Set up Web Sign In ✅ Marked up my content ❌ Webmentions ❌ Auto POSSEing
(twitter.com/_/status/701535430932619264)
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singpolyma
Just tested, and https://social.umeahackerspace.se/ is now running my code to be #indieweb compatible. should both send and accept webmention
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