#indiewebcamp 2016-05-29

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ben_thatmustbeme oh weird, okay, so i think i need aaronpk to help me with this one
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ben_thatmustbeme well, i guess actually it makes sense
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ben_thatmustbeme so if you try to validate that a code is correct by hitting the auth endpoint, you cannot reuse it to get a token
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[kevinmarks] Getting a token validates it Implicitly?
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ben_thatmustbeme I suppose maybe. I'll have to walk through that. I thought validating it was needed to make sure they didn't swap accounts or something
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[kevinmarks] This is definitely aaronpk's specialist subject
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: if you have an auth code and you want a token, just get the token, because the token endpoint will not give you a token unless the auth code is valid. you don't need to check it first.
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ben_thatmustbeme Hmm okay
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aaronpk the token endpoint is responsible for validating the auth code. either internally in the implementation or by using the API
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aaronpk this spells it out http://indiewebcamp.com/obtaining-an-access-token
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aaronparecki.com edited /obtaining-an-access-token (+220) "clarify roles" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell KevinMarks mobilepub is fixed, you should be able to log in now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks yay http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/posting-using-mobilepub-mobilepub
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Loqi KevinMarks: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 10 minutes ago: mobilepub is fixed, you should be able to log in now http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-28/line/1464483677602
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KevinMarks though the tag didn't come through
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[kevinmarks] Hm, case issues? "http://Known.kevinmarks.com" does not match the logged in user "http://known.kevinmarks.com/profile/kevinmarks".
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Loqi Ruh roh
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Loqi [indieweb] "Now on mobile #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/now-on-mobile-indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah I haven't tested a lot other than posting a plain note yet
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ben_thatmustbeme Getting the syndication endpoints failed as well.
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KevinMarks the post saved ones need a bit of feedback
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ben_thatmustbeme That too
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KevinMarks not clear that the button gets a click
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ben_thatmustbeme Should document these as issues on github when I get a chance
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah. It's supposed to.
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KevinMarks syndication endpoint api has changed a bit recently
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ben_thatmustbeme I may overhaul the UI. This was sort of a beta test
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah but it didn't even work for my own site, which is still the same. Actually.... maybe not
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ben_thatmustbeme I think I did some updates to that at one point
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ben_thatmustbeme And I have photos/video/etc uploading disabled
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ben_thatmustbeme I have to rewrite all of that
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ben_thatmustbeme It's annoying as I have to tunnel everything through mobilepub's site
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ben_thatmustbeme But at least it is really easy to install basically anywhere
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tantek.com edited /2016/Leaders (+102) "/* Session Ideas */ IndieMark as other side of generations" (view diff)
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kylewm Oh funny that was a bug in woodwind too... It tried to validate the token against both endpoints
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kylewm And the second time known rejects it because it's already been used
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ben_thatmustbeme yep kylewm, but its fixed now
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ben_thatmustbeme was just playing with some colors and fixing up a bit
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ben_thatmustbeme if you want to check it out
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ben_thatmustbeme anyway, off to bed. so stoked that i got mobilepub a new life
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /MobilePub (-337) "mobilepub rewrite" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Last night I was trying to figure out why my referrer verification (for Vouch) had stopped working. Discovered that one of the referrers was a spam blog with 8000+ comments, one of which linked to me. The HTML for the page is ~12MB
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 15 hours, 32 minutes ago: here's an example of another wiki-based event page, curious what your thoughts are regarding design, presentation, and how if any of it is something we could/should re-use/adopt on our own event pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon,_April_2016 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-28/line/1464446784868
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 15 hours, 31 minutes ago: I was also at that event in person so can provide additional context if you have any qs http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-28/line/1464446815990
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aaronpk Whoa
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gRegorLove So I definitely need to re-think that verification process
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@wprincipiante Trackbacks, pingbacks y webmentions http://wprincipiante.es/trackbacks-pingbacks-y-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/736811550267301892)
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Zegnet Good morning IWC
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Loqi [indieweb] "WeeklyUpdates/2016-05-30" by Tantek https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=WeeklyUpdates/2016-05-30&diff=1134840&oldid=1134839
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@kunimiya 最近W3Cが勧告候補としてアナウンスしたWebmentionについてのウィキペディア日本語版記事が無かったので英語版から翻訳・追記しました。HTML5時代のトラックバック用プロトコルという感じです。 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/736897793961299968)
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@uakira2 RT @kunimiya 最近W3Cが勧告候補としてアナウンスしたWebmentionについてのウィキペディア日本語版記事が無かったので英語版から翻訳・追記しました。HTML5時代のトラックバック用プロトコルという感じです。 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/736898116687798272)
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@kzhr RT @kunimiya 最近W3Cが勧告候補としてアナウンスしたWebmentionについてのウィキペディア日本語版記事が無かったので英語版から翻訳・追記しました。HTML5時代のトラックバック用プロトコルという感じです。 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/736898357151436800)
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@bonyari_dtp RT @kunimiya 最近W3Cが勧告候補としてアナウンスしたWebmentionについてのウィキペディア日本語版記事が無かったので英語版から翻訳・追記しました。HTML5時代のトラックバック用プロトコルという感じです。 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/736907006431268864)
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@SilentImp А кто то из вас использует Webmention? (twitter.com/_/status/736908001941028864)
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@m_ott @adactio Hi Jeremy, thanks again for the hint! I got it working and can now syndicate links from my own site to Twitter. 👌 #indieweb #POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/736914000542334976)
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@kunimiya Webmentionでいまいちわかってないのは、pingbackで起きたDDOS攻撃の脆弱性を結局回避できているのかどうか。リンク元へのアクセスを非同期にすることでセキュリティを高めていると書いてあるけど、それは本質的な解決になっていないような……。 (twitter.com/_/status/736915873277968384)
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@kunimiya 面白い。ある論文が研究データにリンクを張ったことを出版社がWebmentionで通知した時、論文（の参照文献リスト）が有料アクセスだとWebmentionエンドポイントがリンクを検証できないから受理されないという問題提起。 https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/42 (twitter.com/_/status/736924927312334850)
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@liliput RT @kunimiya 面白い。ある論文が研究データにリンクを張ったことを出版社がWebmentionで通知した時、論文（の参照文献リスト）が有料アクセスだとWebmentionエンドポイントがリンクを検証できないから受理されないという問題提起。 https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/42 (twitter.com/_/status/736925797202731009)
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@kunimiya 後の方まで読むと仕様にユースケースの１つとしてとして、論文の参照文献リストは必ずランディングページに表示し、論文の出版時に参照文献/データにWebmentionリクエストを送信することを含める提案にまとまりつつある？標準化されたら各出版プラットフォームは準拠してもらいたいな。 (twitter.com/_/status/736930635705520129)
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@hiroo RT @kunimiya 面白い。ある論文が研究データにリンクを張ったことを出版社がWebmentionで通知した時、論文（の参照文献リスト）が有料アクセスだとWebmentionエンドポイントがリンクを検証できないから受理されないという問題提起。 https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/42 (twitter.com/_/status/736931183603261444)
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@kunimiya そうか、Webmentionエンドポイントが参照文献リストにアクセスできない問題は、機関リポジトリの問題でもあるのか…… (twitter.com/_/status/736933656934023168)
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@AurelioDeRosa Webmention is a W3C Candidate Recommendation: https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5439 (twitter.com/_/status/736934585737568256)
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ben_thatmustbeme #webmentionhitsjapan
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ben_thatmustbeme Interesting that those tweets link to issue 42
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb - die Zweite (und Letzte?)" http://webdesign.weisshart.de/blog/2016/05/29/indieweb-die-zweite-und-letzte/
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@fritzweisshart IndieWeb - die Zweite (und Letzte?): IndieWeb — im ersten Moment klang das so, als ob es etwas für mich wäre.... https://webdesign.weisshart.de/blog/2016/05/29/indieweb-die-zweite-und-letzte/ (twitter.com/_/status/736941909914963968)
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@kunimiya リンク元のランディングページにlinkタグで検証用URLを埋め込み、Webmentionエンドポイントがそれを理解すれば上手くいく気がする。Webmentionの仕様がそうなると機関リポジトリが幸せになれると思う。 (twitter.com/_/status/736943408996966401)
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GWG In less than a week I will be in Portland.
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tantek Excited?
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[kevinmarks] Polyglot discussion this morning
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if anyone wants to contribute to a German translation of the wiki
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aaronpk I think we have only one German page right now
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GWG tantek: I've never been to Portland.
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GWG And it is the home of Indiewebcamp
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GWG And aaronpk, but him I've met.
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GWG I've created a bit of a problem.
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GWG I've updated Syndication Links to use SVG and to remove the rel-me support. However, I can't deploy the changes until I add rel-me support and deploy an update to the Indieweb plugin or I'll lose functionality.
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tantek that makes sense, definitely sounds like a good idea to deploy an Indieweb plugin update ASAP!
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tantek !tell kevinmarks direct anyone that wants to contribute to a German translation of the wiki to https://indiewebcamp.com/#Translations to get started!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@dissolve333 Syndication links and categories seem to be working for me in mobilepub #indieweb (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2016/5/29/5/) (twitter.com/_/status/736960783465086976)
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ben_thatmustbeme Success \o/
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GWG Yay
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG. Tried it out yet?
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[kevinmarks] It's still launching in the browser for me, Ben. Is that on purpose?
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 23 minutes ago: direct anyone that wants to contribute to a German translation of the wiki to https://indiewebcamp.com/#Translations to get started! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-29/line/1464539265916
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[kevinmarks] Is display set to standalone?
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ben_thatmustbeme Ahh not yet. I need to fix that. All windows are new windows for me
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ben_thatmustbeme On a nexus 5x
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ben_thatmustbeme So i didn't notice
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GWG Haven't tried it yet. Intend to.
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[kevinmarks] Yes, that's an N difference
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[kevinmarks] Also, per @adactio, you don't get an install prompt without it: https://adactio.com/journal/10708
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Regressive Web Apps
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aaronpk good morning indiewebcamp! let's see how much more progress i can make on webmention.rocks tests for receiving webmentions today
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aaronpk well this is clever https://adactio.com/journal/10728
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] A little progress
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aaronpk adactio++
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Loqi adactio has 26 karma
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@nxD4n Try #webmentions https://indiewebcamp.com/ https://twitter.com/serphacker/status/736935048138633216 (twitter.com/_/status/736981321050886144)
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[kevinmarks] Hm, not loading for me
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[kevinmarks] Ah there it is. Neat.
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[kevinmarks] This sounds indieweb friendly https://www.webrebels.org/schedule
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GWG I am looking at a list of social icons I can support
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GWG Some of them I am not sure I can imagine syndicating to.
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GWG Has anyone ever POSSEd to Amazon?
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sknebel amazon as a "social icon" seems weird, but I guess one could syndicate h-reviews?
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Loqi sknebel: tantek left you a message 1 day, 2 hours ago: re: your chat here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-22#t1463942553571 I think wiki pages can and should do *both*. No need to compromise there. It's not easy but this is a known writing/UX technique. See if this makes sense: https://indiewebcamp.com/wikifying#Progressive_disclosure_of_content http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-28/line/1464452233644
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GWG I am using someone else's icon set.
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GWG I was thinking of that and wish lists.
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GWG But I also got icons for some messaging services
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Zegnet GWG: what icon set are you using?
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GWG Automattic's social logo set, available as an icon font, and SVG sprite.
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GWG I figured I would use something WordPressy
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GWG I was using Genericons, also an Automattic project, but they are deprecating their social icons.
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Zegnat Did not know Automattic has a set. I am redesigning my hcard and using https://simpleicons.org
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GWG I am bookmarking that as an alternative font set.
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GWG I designed a function that maps domain names to icon names, so it can just be overridden.
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@marcthiele I can't make it, but you should go. #indieweb #indiewebsummit2016 https://marcthiele.com/links/indieweb-sumit (twitter.com/_/status/737002423466786816)
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@timburks Picked up one of those "indieweb" domains: http://timburks.me (twitter.com/_/status/737004930712494080)
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[kevinmarks] Is there a reason not to use the brand's preferred colours?
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Zegnat [kevinmarks]: you mean for logo links? Contrast depending on your background color. Also, if you use a limited set of colour highlights throughout your design you might be calling attention to the logos more than you want.
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Zegnat Do note that https://simpleicons.org also lists brand colours with the logos.
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[kevinmarks] Looking at that set I was unable to identify most of them, at least partly because of the rainbow
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Zegnat True. I would colour the actual logos. There they just made all of them white and gave them a background in the brand's colour. Little distracting.
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[kevinmarks] Oh, those are the brand primary colours, but inverted?
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[kevinmarks] Weird
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kylewm Do they distribute an icon font?
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Zegnat kylewm: I think simpleicons is only the SVGs
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Zegnat But if you prefer fonts, http://fontello.com can generate a webfont from any set of SVGs.
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kylewm I might switch over to just directly using svg images soon anyway, given my trouble putting good mf2 on font awesome icons
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Zegnat My redesign is also just pulling in those SVGs. I like the simpleicons ones as they are a single path for most of the icons, all easily recoloured monochrome glyphs
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GWG I just switched to an SVG sprite.
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ben_thatmustbeme [kevinmarks] try mobilepub now. Should be full screen
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Zegnat I am thinking of going the GitHub way, just inline the SVG: https://github.com/blog/2112-delivering-octicons-with-svg
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[kevinmarks] Hm, how do I make it reload?
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ben_thatmustbeme Just visit it once and it will download the new worker. Then close and reopen
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marcthiele.com edited /Events (+83) "/* Upcoming */" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks @timburks hm, try using it to sign into http://indiewebcamp.com - the validator may need updating (twitter.com/_/status/737010738322014208)
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miklb I do svg inline
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ben_thatmustbeme I should switch to svgs now. I was rendering then out for Cordova. Don't need to now
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Loqi yea
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Zegnat Re: switching from fonts to SVG, I saw this article do the rounds the last weeks. Think I first saw it in Bruce Lawson's reading list: https://sarasoueidan.com/blog/icon-fonts-to-svg/
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miklb that's cool. I didn't know about those tools.
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miklb Might look at switching so I can have a Pinboard svg
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miklb switching to a different svg icon set I mean
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Zegnat Yeah, I am missing a Pinboard icon on simpleicons :(
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GWG Pull Request?
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Zegnat GWG, on the icons? I would if I had a clue about making proper SVG files
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snarfed bridgy is at 988 unit tests
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GWG You can make the request without making the icon
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snarfed so close to 1000!
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snarfed can't wait to hit that milestone, but i don't feel like implenting new features to do it :P
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GWG snarfed: And I'm struggling to write 5
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snarfed GWG: the first ones are the hardest!
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ben_thatmustbeme Started just add some "is reality still a thing"tests.
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ben_thatmustbeme Assert true==true
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ben_thatmustbeme S/started/snarfed/
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snarfed lol
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@webrocker @jkphl @Thuemer interestingly the login on http://indiewebcamp.org worked, even tho the indiewebify.me sign in test did not (twitter.com/_/status/737022462232301568)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "PURL: A Portable Content Store" http://notenoughneon.com/2016/5/29/purl-a-portable-content-store
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@KathyLeeDrupal Hey! What do you think of Test for whether a node can receive webmentions incorrectly checks for whether it should… https://www.drupal.org/node/2736133 (twitter.com/_/status/737031049314766849)
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[kevinmarks] Hm, mobilepub isn't loading for me now
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[kevinmarks] It loaded eventually, and now it is a standalone app
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[kevinmarks] But it's just showing its name
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah it's supposed to have an icon too
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[kevinmarks] I mean when I launch it I just get a white screen with its name in.
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ben_thatmustbeme That's the loading screen I get. That goes away a moment later.
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miklb Anyone know if webmention.io will get old webmentions if I switch back?
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ben_thatmustbeme miklb: you mean you switched to a different webmention service and want to switch back
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ben_thatmustbeme it won't unless they get sent again, which you could do i suppose
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[kevinmarks] The loading screen doesn't go away
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[kevinmarks] I could do with a console here. I'll work out how to do that later
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ben_thatmustbeme it looks to be pretty easy, just connect to your computer and turn on usb debugging. then chrome can search for devices, i was looking it up earlier
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aaronpk GWG: i've syndicated reviews to amazon!
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GWG aaronpk: I'm excited about the ideas just adding new icons give me.
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miklb ben_thatmustbeme yes I'm using voxpelli webmention app, but thinking about switching back
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miklb I can convert the json file his app provides to the cache yaml file that the jekyll plugin I'm using though. Just didn't want to do extra work I didn't have to :)
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