#indiewebcamp 2016-06-04

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Loqi
bear meant to say: bikeshedding alert... make the dev channel for all dev period
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KevinMarks1
http://2016.indieweb.org/ is wrapping the text under 'contribute' a bit oddly on mobile, but otherwise is much better on mobile than the wiki
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Loqi
IndieWeb Summit
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm closer to gen2, but have enough grit to want to be closer to gen1
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bear
tweets are community stuff
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[scottgruber]
I could help with copy editing this year. One thing I like was seeing my rsvp work to pull in my info. That did make me feel part of a welcoming community. Nice method to onboard new folk.
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[chrisaldrich]
I'd posit that some of the community related tweets and their repetitiveness in the main channel likely prevent some of us retweeting (and thereby diminish some of our network reach) because we don't want to "pile-on"
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bear
your talking about an incremental backoff for freshness?
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GWG
Seems so, bear
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@scott_gruber
@nimirea_ I think you might like @indiewebcamp. You seem part of the POSSE
(twitter.com/_/status/738884862665318400)
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bear
hide immediately and weight it's redisplay based on idleness
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tantek.com
edited /2016/Leaders (+101) "/* newskin */ Tasks"
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[chrisaldrich]
or maybe dump a list of RTs at the end of the day around 2am PST when the chatroom is quiet and is likely to be the point at which people who rejoin in the morning can get a brief update of the prior day's news and how popular it was.
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tantek.com
edited /2016/Leaders (+160) "/* rename to indieweb */ Tasks:"
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bear
if the room is idle, pick from random community loqi posts
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bear
wouldn't it be great if the indieweb.org home page is itself a generated indieweb formatted site - not a wiki
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aaronpk
oh i have some crazy ideas there
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2016/Leaders (+787) "add task list"
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bear
someone grab a screen shot of the hangout footer
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bear
to have the remote folks represented in the photo
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Loqi
[indieweb] "hm, that doesn't look right. #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/hm-that-doesnt-look-right-indieweb
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[chrisaldrich]
I would think that Medium would/should bend over backwards to add things like webmention to be the killer feature that no other site is currently offering and they obviously have the tech background to appreciate mention technology.
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[chrisaldrich]
webmention is just really an internet wide @mention functionality (ideally)
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jkphl
moving home & going to bed now. thanks for the hangout, have a nice party later on!
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bear
o/ jkphl
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[chrisaldrich]
g'nite jkphl
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[scottgruber]
I'm working on adding datetime for notes, etc. anyone know if it should it be iso 8601 date?
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aaronpk
iso8601++
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Loqi
iso8601 has 1 karma
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[scottgruber]
Cool. Got it added. Thx.
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bear
the answer for that is always yes
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[scottgruber]
Thx bear. I wish Safari support HTML 5 input forms for date and time. Much sleeker looking going native like on cCrome and Opera. Looks like Firefox doesn't either which is a surprise to me.
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bear
nothing prevents you from capturing date and time as seperate fields if they are going to be POSTd to something that can create the 8601 format
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bear
just make sure to capture as much timezone info as you can
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KevinMarks1
there are polyfills for them
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@jimpick
In Portland, reading the #indieweb wikipedia article before I go to the Indieweb Summit. :-) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndieWebCamp
(twitter.com/_/status/738893033471508480)
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[scottgruber]
Would it look something like this: <time class="dt-published" datetime="2016-05-23T17:30:00-07:00"><small>Published on: May 23, 2016, 5:30 PM</small></time>
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[scottgruber]
I think that’s right. I’m using Perch Runway btw. So far so good. I can format them pretty well for machines/humans using PHP date options. Probably should add an updated date somewhere too.
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bear
that looks correct (eyeball review)
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KevinMarks1
ah crap. I think i stomped my edits to http://www.kevinmarks.com/u-means-style.html
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Loqi
When u- means <style> 2016-05-24
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KevinMarks
Ah, phew, Google cache had it. Reverted
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@m_ott
🎉 Finally! I just released the first version of my Webmention plugin for @craftcms → https://github.com/matthiasott/webmention #IndieWeb #webmention #craftcms
(twitter.com/_/status/738904399913832448)
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@m_ott
@adactio Hi Jeremy, I finally released the Craft Webmention plugin, including a ”žhuman-friendly“ endpoint: https://github.com/matthiasott/webmention Cheers!
(twitter.com/_/status/738907800680693762)
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[scottgruber]
Is there a rss feed for? http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en
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[chrisaldrich]
Good question Scott, it doesn't look like there is, but I've been using http://woodwind.xyz as a feed reeder for indieweb related feeds, and that manages to parse and show the feed properly
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[chrisaldrich]
It doesn't have an h-feed, so I'm guessing that it's finding the posts solely using h-entry
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[chrisaldrich]
What is Woodwind?
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Loqi
Woodwind is a minimalist open source indie reader by https://kylewm.com/photo.jpgKyle Mahan https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
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sknebel
Has anybody made an h-feed-to-Atom converter? I know unmung that does the other way around...
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[chrisaldrich]
What is unmung?
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Loqi
Unmung is a service that turns Atom and RSS feeds into h-feeds https://indiewebcamp.com/unmung
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@veganstraightedge
Salt & Straw #indieweb summit pre-party #flattop. Strawberry coconut soft serve. @ Pine Street… https://www.instagram.com/p/BGNzM90Mnt4/
(twitter.com/_/status/738918737177419776)
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@aaronpk
Come find me at the #IndieWebCamp pre-party at Pine St Market! We're at the long table near the pizza place!
(twitter.com/_/status/738920479252058113)
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[kevinmarks]
I think granary will convert for you
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boffosocko.com
edited /Bookmarklet (+125) "Bookmarklets for WordPress"
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@AlexSchleber
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@jkphl
@iwontsignuphere Awesome! (How did you manage to montage this so fast?) +@indiewebcamp
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Loqi
IndieWeb Summit pre-party!
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Loqi
Countdown set by gRegorLove on 6/3/16 at 3:50pm
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GWG
Yes, that worked swimmingly.
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@cedricziel
@jkphl @maddesigns Facebook? Is that a new indieweb initiative? Srsly. I dont get why people use it apart from work stuff.
(twitter.com/_/status/739006211962589184)
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@jkphl
@webrocker Öh, den versteh ich nicht ... :/ Bin doch gerade erst aufgestanden nach meiner spätnächtlichen @indiewebcamp-Teilnahme +@bkastl
(twitter.com/_/status/739010742427521024)
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@jkphl
@faulancr Reichweite für meine Veranstaltungen. Irgendwann mal #indieweb POSSE und so ... Ich arbeite dran ;) +@maddesigns
(twitter.com/_/status/739016119076392960)
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@jonnybarnes
Hope the #IndieWeb summit 2016 goes well for everyone! (https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/AF)
(twitter.com/_/status/739052247368208384)
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ileathan
Is this the right place for issues regarding the facebook sdk or more percisly the inability to even access it..?
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ileathan
my searching showed someone in this channel having the same problem as me few months ago so i joined :)
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ileathan
oh thankt he titty lords i figured it out nevermind
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ileathan
bye bye all glhf and may the bit coins be with you
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ileathan
whichever u chose
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@jkphl
Postponing an imminent trip to Japan from tmrrw to July, + shifting working time for being able to remote-attend #IndieWeb Summit tonight
(twitter.com/_/status/739081754078773248)
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rMdes
bear, I'm trying to find out the help tip you gave me about forcing HTTPS on .htaccess with RewriteCond, can't find it even on the log
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rMdes
do you have this instruction line at hand ?
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@jkphl
@iwontsignuphere Yeah, realized that later as well. Thanks! Have fun! +@indiewebcamp
(twitter.com/_/status/739109706329907200)
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Eloquence
Portland people - only managed to get on the waitlist, would appreciate a ping if the venue still has room
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tantek.com
created /2016/state-of-indieweb (+2444) "just a few notes"
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kylewm
attn: aaronpk^
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kylewm
Woodwind is super broken this morning :p
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aaronpk
woodwind is part of my demo
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kylewm
Woodwind IS my demo
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kylewm
flushed the queues and now it seems to be working again
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kylewm
take that, queues!
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kylewm
(Flush the Queues is my next punk album)
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Sandro1
Wishing "doors open 9am" wasn't literal
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Sandro1
Wondering if this is working
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aaronpk
Sandro are you here?
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Sandro1
(Ah, slow, but working)
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Sandro1
Yes, ground floor door is locked
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aaronpk
k one sec
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Twitter Favorites: [jimpick] Riding in style to the #indieweb summit https://t.co/YFIVx1074D" https://twitter.com/jimpick/statuses/738712619062693888
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@veganstraightedge
I am really so proud of the new #indiewebcamp logo. It’s the best I’ve ever made. @ Vadio https://www.instagram.com/p/BGPQqyhsnsn/
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jkphl
Good morning Portland! :)
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GWG
The chat is hopping this morning
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miklb
Good morning IWS
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG. Its a crazy day for me. So yeah...
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GWG
I'm hoping to accomplish a lot.
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aaronpk
falling back to sad camera for livestream but here it is
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jkphl
aaronpk: better than nothing. thanks!
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jkphl
kevinmarks: hearing your printer. ;)
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KevinMarks1
oops, forgot to mute
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jkphl
no worries, i couldn't hear what you were printing. :D
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kylewm
Eloquence: there's totally room, come on over!
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gRegorLove
Good morning from the summit!
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GWG
gRegorLove: Good morning.
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jkphl
gRegorLove: Good morning!
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GWG
gRegorLove: Long time no speak.
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Eloquence
kylewm, awesome, thanks for the pingback :)
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GWG
Eloquence: We don't pingback around here. We webmention
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Eloquence
8-)
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KevinMarks1
sound gapping
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[shaners]
Kevinmarks1: did you know that your nick is kevinmarks1?
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miklb
wait long enough and there';ll be a kevinmarks2 :-P
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KevinMarks1
and ones with underscores
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jkphl
kevinmarks: you're unmuted again
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miklb
which one is breathing heavy?
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KevinMarks2
did the hangout die fro everyone or just me?
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jkphl
me too
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callovarne_
Is Vadio’s wifi that bad? >:P
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aaronpk
apparently
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aaronpk
reconnecting now
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miklb
morning bear
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bear
i'm looking for that command
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miklb
heh, I heard Textual ping you
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bear
oops - muted now
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miklb
yay tropical storm comin' :/
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Loqi
woot
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bear
!tell rMdes_ the irc log link for the command is http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-30#t1464631952485
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@iBarbStark
#indiewebcamppdx off to a good start this morning! #IndieWebCamp @ Vadio https://www.instagram.com/p/BGPYQi7l4FZ/
(twitter.com/_/status/739140966905315329)
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bear
did hangouts get restarted?
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aaronpk
why is it so crashy!
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gRegorLove
Demos starting
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gRegorLove
1 year of indiewebcat posting
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gRegorLove
tantek.com
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KevinMarks2
video and audio is hard
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bear
*very* hard
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GWG
This is the 'Summit' Where we have our high level talks...we wanted to do Camp David, but it was booked, so we picked Portland.
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jkphl
really love the tweaked new website btw!
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gRegorLove
new logo! new wiki skin, default "Vector" so we can upgrade MediWiki
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: welcome to the indiewebcamp summit - this is our website http://indiewebcamp.com/
(twitter.com/_/status/739141593261834240)
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aaronpk
is audio better?
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aaronpk
the AC is really loud
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jkphl
gapping sometimes but ok!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: you may notice that we have a new logo http://svgur.com/s/5F - @veganstraightedge redesigned @crystalbeasley's original
(twitter.com/_/status/739141884346519556)
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KevinMarks2
major gapping
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rMdes_
ohh thanks so much bear ! couldn't find it there earlier !
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Loqi
rMdes_: bear left you a message 8 minutes ago: the irc log link for the command is http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-30#t1464631952485 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-04/line/1465059681791
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we started out with "Show don't tell" "scratch your own itch" and "self-dogfooding"
(twitter.com/_/status/739142064563191808)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the real point is that it's your site, you are in control and you can do what you want with it
(twitter.com/_/status/739142209136656384)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: all of this starts with one goal: self-empowerment. As we achieve different levels of that we can spread empowerment
(twitter.com/_/status/739142331740389376)
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@shanselman
On the way to @indiewebcamp with the little boys to work on their hamster website.
(twitter.com/_/status/739142403785789440)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to the indiewebcamp summit - this is our website http://indiewebcamp.com/
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: you may notice that we have a new logo http://svgur.com/s/5F - @veganstraightedge redesigned @crystalbeasley's original
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we started out with "Show don't tell" "scratch your own itch" and "self-dogfooding"
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the real point is that it's your site, you are in control and you can do what you want with it
(twitter.com/_/status/739142524833517568)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: all of this starts with one goal: self-empowerment. As we achieve different levels of that we can spread empowerment
(twitter.com/_/status/739142542831321089)
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@iBarbStark
Hosting IndieWebCamp this weekend, good peeps, great ideas. (@ Vadio in Portland, OR w/ @aaronpk) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/iYH6xIn5yRe
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we ecnourage everyone to share what they have built whether on our wiki or a open source code on github or wherever
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KevinMarks2
what site is tantek looking at?
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gRegorLove
"don't hate. go create."
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@jimpick
In Portland watching @t and @aaronpk set up for the #indieweb summit https://vine.co/v/iYphVHAjHHg
(twitter.com/_/status/739143014195580928)
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KevinMarks2
hard to note live when the audio is gappy
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@katecaldwell
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we ecnourage everyone to share what they have built whether on our wiki or a open source code on github or wherever
(twitter.com/_/status/739143025218052097)
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@katecaldwell
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the real point is that it's your site, you are in control and you can do what you want with it
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@Mark_A_Mandel
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to the indiewebcamp summit - this is our website http://indiewebcamp.com/
(twitter.com/_/status/739143116956041216)
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gRegorLove
Webmention now a w3c candidate recommendation
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we have a set of open formats which we have incubated and dogfooded ourselves, and then take them to standards bodies
(twitter.com/_/status/739143245805019136)
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callovarne_
Can my ticket to go toward next year’s A/V? Catching more from the tweets.
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@jimpick
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: you may notice that we have a new logo http://svgur.com/s/5F - @veganstraightedge redesigned @crystalbeasley's original
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gRegorLove
Micropub is a w3c working draft, stage before CR
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: one of these is Webmention, which is now a w3c Candidate Recommendation https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ well done @aaronpk
(twitter.com/_/status/739143501120688128)
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gRegorLove
Post-type discovery is an editor's draft
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: webmention is out looking for implementations, and you can test yours at https://webmention.rocks/
(twitter.com/_/status/739143637125242881)
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@NZN
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: all of this starts with one goal: self-empowerment. As we achieve different levels of that we can spread empowerment
(twitter.com/_/status/739143723766960132)
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bear
@aaronpk maybe turn off the video to see if the saved bandwidth helps audio stop janking
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gRegorLove
We got SWAT0 working last year, which uses Salmention and have had several more implementations since last year
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: another spec, Micropub for posting to your site is a w3C Editors draft https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
(twitter.com/_/status/739143875336495107)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we ecnourage everyone to share what they have built whether on our wiki or a open source code on github or wherever
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KevinMarks2
video isn't giving much tbh, low res enough that tantek is about 4 pixels wide
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@RikMende
RT @jimpick In Portland watching @t and @aaronpk set up for the #indieweb summit https://vine.co/v/iYphVHAjHHg
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we have a set of open formats which we have incubated and dogfooded ourselves, and then take them to standards bodies
(twitter.com/_/status/739144082266726401)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: one of these is Webmention, which is now a w3c Candidate Recommendation https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ well done @aaronpk
(twitter.com/_/status/739144109722591233)
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bear
or someone setup a phone so kevin can hear clearly
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gRegorLove
Figured out how to POSSE person-tags to silos in the last year
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: webmention is out looking for implementations, and you can test yours at https://webmention.rocks/
(twitter.com/_/status/739144149325254656)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: another spec, Micropub for posting to your site is a w3C Editors draft https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
(twitter.com/_/status/739144186260299780)
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gRegorLove
(today would be a good day for RTs to be off in channel :) )
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miklb
agreed
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gRegorLove
tantek posted a photo of HWC last year with person tags
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: another great indieweb tool is brid.gy which will connect your site to the social silos so non-indie people can see
(twitter.com/_/status/739144394746515456)
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rMdes_
indeed
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rMdes_
can Loqi be configured from here to stop it for today ?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: this is a photo I posted last week of homebrew website club http://tantek.com/2016/154/t1/homebrew-website-club-mozilla-sf with people tags on
(twitter.com/_/status/739144595393646592)
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miklb
wonder if a dedicated hot spot for the video feed would help
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gRegorLove
...POSSE copy on twitter, twitter doesn't have API support for person tags though
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rMdes_
miklb, it would help indeed
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miklb
and lost live feed
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gRegorLove
...copy on Flickr, copy on FB. FB copy has person tags.
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gRegorLove
...Bridgy did 100% of the FB posting and tagging automatically
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aaronpk
ugh sorry about the hangouts
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miklb
not blaming you aaronpk
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: with Brid.gy my photo was copied to flickr http:/signin/?redir=%2Fphotos%2Ftantek%2F27387113266%2F and facebook https://www.facebook.com/10102317495976283
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gRegorLove
bridgy++
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gRegorLove
pokes loqi
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Loqi
goes squish.
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Loqi
bridgy has 42 karma
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rMdes_
aaronpk, anyone able to stop Loqi from mentioning all RT's we do when there is an event ?
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Loqi
yeah!
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gRegorLove
Perfect karma, bridgy
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: and the facebook one had the person tags come through intact thanks to bridgy remapping them
(twitter.com/_/status/739144958121246721)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: another great indieweb tool is brid.gy which will connect your site to the social silos so non-indie people can see
(twitter.com/_/status/739145024563208192)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: this is a photo I posted last week of homebrew website club http://tantek.com/2016/154/t1/homebrew-website-club-mozilla-sf with people tags on
(twitter.com/_/status/739145034088480769)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: with Brid.gy my photo was copied to flickr http:/signin/?redir=%2Fphotos%2Ftantek%2F27387113266%2F and facebook https://www.facebook.com/10102317495976283
(twitter.com/_/status/739145054955180032)
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gRegorLove
New HWC meetups this year
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gRegorLove
We've broken 1000 users on the wiki
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rMdes_
wow nice :)
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gRegorLove
Over 1000 have logged in to the wiki with their own domain name
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rMdes_
that's so great !
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aaronpk
how's the video now?
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miklb
audio much better
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rMdes_
lookin for the link here
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aaronpk
ha LTE ftw
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miklb
video too
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@benwerd
Over a thousand people have contributed to the #indieweb documentation at http://indiewebcamp.con
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Over a thousand people have contributed to the #indieweb documentation at http://indiewebcamp.con" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/over-a-thousand-people-have-contributed-to-the-indieweb-documentation
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@RikMende
RT @benwerd Over a thousand people have contributed to the #indieweb documentation at http://indiewebcamp.con
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we have over 1000 users on the wiki and there are tens of 1000s of indieweb sites that are actively deploying building blocks
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miklb
aaronpk when you get the bill, let me know, I'll chip in :)
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@RikMende
RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we have over 1000 users on the wiki and there are tens of 1000s of indieweb sites that are actively deploying building blocks
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gRegorLove
...we're probably at Defcon 3 as far as a large spam attach with webmention
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gRegorLove
... good time to implement /Vouch
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: many of those users are on https://withknown.com/ - so we have grown by 10x each year the number of indieweb sites
(twitter.com/_/status/739145941580697602)
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bear
hmm, my stats crawler only knows about 251 of those sites (those that are registered on irc_people
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gRegorLove
playing video of SWAT0 demo from last year
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aaronpk
k RTs shoudl be disabled today
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GWG
We need more videos like this
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gRegorLove
woo! thanks aaronpk
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bear
video url?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we're probably at defcon3 for a large wbmention spam attack, so implementing http://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch would be good
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gRegorLove
::People's Court music::
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@benwerd
Over a thousand people have contributed to the #indieweb documentation at http://indiewebcamp.com
(twitter.com/_/status/739146206891282432)
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rMdes_
where can I join the Live ?
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GWG
!tell petermolnar Can you look at the Indieweb plugin? I just pushed some stuff to the repo.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: here's a video of indieweb passing the SWAT0 test last year: https://aaronparecki.com/2015/07/14/7/swat0
(twitter.com/_/status/739146551524757504)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the key thing this weekend is make something, anything for your own site, however small
(twitter.com/_/status/739146871361441792)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: and talk to people and see how you can collaborate - code, design, copywriting - work together
(twitter.com/_/status/739146992362921985)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: don't let the pursuit of perfection stop you making progress. get something working, show it, iterate
(twitter.com/_/status/739147109354635264)
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bear
tantek can always show my site to demonstrate that visual niceness is not required ;)
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@altsalt
Great State of the #IndieWeb by @tantek #IndieWebSummit
(twitter.com/_/status/739147163674910720)
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miklb
👏
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rMdes_
thanks
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KevinMarks2
I'm just using #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: hi everyone - I'm Ben Werdmüller - my website is werd.io which took me a year to realise people saw as weirdo
(twitter.com/_/status/739147705503617024)
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miklb
someone needs to mute in hangouts
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rMdes_
just muted mine
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Zegnat
Hangouts still requires a special plugin in Safari? That sucks.
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rMdes_
trying to cast the hangout on my TV but to no avail..
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: so I have a bookmarklet in the browser that lets me reply to ben by clicking a link: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/04/8/
(twitter.com/_/status/739148224863346688)
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[edrex]
hi portland folks!
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Zegnat
will just read KevinMarks' always excellent live blogging.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I post other things on my site, eg last nights sleep: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/04/3/ so you can see I may be a bit cranky today
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@jimpick
I might be having an epiphany overload today :-) #indieweb
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@edrex
trying out the irc://irc.freenode.net/#indieweb and slack twitter integration
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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rMdes_
morning !
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tantek
aaronpk: shows sleep, coffee, bicycling, running tracking on his site
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KevinMarks2
safari doesn't do webrtc
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tantek
catches up on logs
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bear
celebrated indiewebcamp day 1 by micropub posting and watching my static site update live :)
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rMdes_
tantek, can we get Loqi muted for RT's ?
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bear
rMdes_ loqi is muted for RTs - those are all new posts
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tantek
rMdes_: yes! We agreed that needs to happen. Not sure if aaronpk was able to update that last night
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rMdes_
ow ok already done :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I'm going to reply on my site and link to aaron's, but not share it to twitter this time http://werd.io/2016/aw-i-miss-riding-bikes
(twitter.com/_/status/739149068073570304)
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sknebel
KevinMarks2: empty tweets?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I'm not logging bike rides, but I am going to check in here: http://werd.io/2016/checked-into-vadio-1 and could share to foursquare
(twitter.com/_/status/739149292838002689)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: the idea here is to make owning my own social content seamless, so I don't have to think about it
(twitter.com/_/status/739149390372278272)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I have to think about it when I'm writing @withknown, but if you install code you shouldn't have to
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miklb
so great to put faces with irc nicks
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@jimpick
First epiphany: bookmarklets are sort of important #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/739149619511189505)
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ben_thatmustbeme
Kevinmarks when they do demos, feel free to demo mobilepub in my stead
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: now we shouldn't need to check each others' websites all the time to see if they have posted, but Kyle has an answer
(twitter.com/_/status/739149680215523328)
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rMdes_
KevinMarks2, just did 10 empty tweets with noter it seems :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: I want to show https://woodwind.xyz/ which is a reader that I wrote for other people's websites
(twitter.com/_/status/739149974743683072)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: It shows them as a timeline, and has blogposts, short notes, replies and so on
(twitter.com/_/status/739150127403831296)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: here's a video that emma posted a few days ago, and I can repost that on my site https://kylewm.com/2016/06/repost-of-emma-kuo-alankara-jazzy-d-higher-love-fender
(twitter.com/_/status/739150631550779393)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: I can also like things, and reply
(twitter.com/_/status/739150668624187392)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: You can subscribe to indieweb sites that use microfromats for markup, or sites that use older feeds in Atom and RSS
(twitter.com/_/status/739151021189017600)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: part of using the indieweb seamlessly is being able to post from anywhere so I'm posting from my phone
(twitter.com/_/status/739151187518361601)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I'm going to post an audio file I recorded earlier via my phone http://werd.io/2016/im-a-bear
(twitter.com/_/status/739151353705058304)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: once it is posted it can be seen anywhere from mobile or desktop browser
(twitter.com/_/status/739151441588289537)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: one of the things I want to do is video, though doing that with a web browser is hard.
(twitter.com/_/status/739151662112231424)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: because I have an iphone I can't let you record audio from a web browser, but working on making that better
(twitter.com/_/status/739151750335234048)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I want to show you more about how my reply worked. I don't have a posting ui on my website
(twitter.com/_/status/739151900835229696)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I use woodwid,xyz, but mainly use https://quill.p3k.io/ which is a micropub client I wrote I log in with indieauth
(twitter.com/_/status/739152063154794496)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: That worked almost too well - I was already logged in so it just worked. let me log out and show the process
(twitter.com/_/status/739152227911278592)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: so when I am asked to login I get an indieauth prompt asking for posting permissions via micropub
(twitter.com/_/status/739152359218106368)
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bear
remember that you don't have to use your own site for IndieAuth -- I use Mozilla's Persona
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miklb
tfw the A/V person is demoing and the stream goes down
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[shaners]
You can also use SMS or a public pgp/gpg key.
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gRegor-mobile
Careful though, Persona is closing down.
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rMdes_
SMS ?
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Zegnat
[shaners]: you can sometimes use SMS. I tried IndieAuth with SMS but it never reached me. I think aaronpk now no longer shows the option for people like me, people with non-US phone numbers
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rMdes_
ah ok
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KevinMarks2
hm, lost av from portland
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rMdes_
did Hangout crashed ?
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[shaners]
There was once a time, I guess.
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Zegnat
It might still work for US phone numbers … but I don’t know anyone with their number on their website, so I can’t check that
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@kevinmarks
@rabois @Stammy @DavidSacks an app is just a browser that only works on one website.
(twitter.com/_/status/406543272966770688)
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Zegnat
Hell, I think I only know of me as an IndieWebCamper with his phone number listed
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[shaners]
Zegnat: I have my phone number in my footer hcard too.
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jkphl
i could log in via SMS last year in düsseldorf. never tried it again since.
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Zegnat
So I guess people do list their numbers then :)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Just gave the State of The IndieWeb 2016 intro talk at IndieWeb Summit 2016! Used speaking notes on the wiki: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/state-of-indieweb
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KevinMarks2
what's ben showing?
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Zegnat
jkphl: it did not work for me, which must have been within days from IWC Düsseldorf this year
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aaronpk
i might have just run down the quota on my mifi
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@altsalt
Great mature #IndieWeb demo by @benwerd @aaronpk and @kylewmahan , excited to get #POSSE and #Micropub working on altsalt! #IndieWebSummit
(twitter.com/_/status/739153837966036998)
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KevinMarks2
also open up for other demos?
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KevinMarks2
whos asking a q?
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tantek
not sure - and yes we'll open up for other demos after the Q&A!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: q: if you have static files built from a static site generator, can you still use micropub?
(twitter.com/_/status/739154207660511236)
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miklb
does micropub with static files
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bear
my micropub handler is a flask app that generates file direct to my static files
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tbbrown
william
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: yes you can because people have built tools that let you post to git from micropub
(twitter.com/_/status/739154343627198464)
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KevinMarks2
hm I coudl do that with github
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Hello from IndieWeb Summit!"
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KevinMarks2
glad aaron is repeating questions
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: you can just use wordpress and add indieweb plugins, or you can use https://withknown.com/
(twitter.com/_/status/739154627254484992)
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miklb
KevinMarks2 I'm that's what voxpelli's node micropub server and tools does
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I'd like to introduce @dshanske and @willnorris who have made wordpress work
(twitter.com/_/status/739154765611958276)
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@jimpick
Awesome demo by @benwerd where he made a robot version of himself that responds to voice fed from his #indieweb data https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/739154869634768896/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/739154869634768896)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: there are also tools so you can add webmention support even to a static site
(twitter.com/_/status/739155059192258564)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: all of these sites added indieweb features one at a time, and each one gets you something
(twitter.com/_/status/739155144143736832)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: every thing you do give you one feature - it's not a giant computer sciency stack that requires you change it all
(twitter.com/_/status/739155353150033921)
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KevinMarks2
who said that?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb ?: you are using http and html on your site already, and all these tools and components built on this
(twitter.com/_/status/739155579088834560)
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Zegnat
My fingers itch not being able to spam stuff into chat. I am going to mute this channel and read kevinmarks.com tomorrow instead.
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Zegnat
Hope everyone is having a great time!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb ?: if you think about how the web behaves for a screen reader, it is like using an automated phone system - press 1 for headings
(twitter.com/_/status/739156147928727552)
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[shaners]
Kevinmarks: that was me that said http/html
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: My demo of voice bot is using chrome for voice inout and rules on the backend to respond. no machine learning
(twitter.com/_/status/739156594794074112)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: what happens if you post a comment and it ends up in these sites, how do you update ro delete?
(twitter.com/_/status/739156691321769984)
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[shaners]
Alex Schleber: was that Alexa?
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[shaners]
Benwerd: no. That was chrome voice to text.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: the webmention spec includes a way to propagate updates and deletes, and tests for that at https://webmention.rocks/
(twitter.com/_/status/739156905906561024)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: updating text is just sending a webmention again, as the URL is the identifier
(twitter.com/_/status/739157002732118017)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I do want to have posts that only certain people can see - @benwerd and @veganstraightedge have this
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: comments that are partially private are harder to share
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: Known is it's own open source project you can run or we can host it for you at withknown.con
(twitter.com/_/status/739157367074508800)
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KevinMarks2
I just tweeted that is still exists
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@scott_gruber
IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites. I'm working to implement it @indiewebcamp now https://scottgruber.me/notes/setting-up-indieauth
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KevinMarks2
is that emma speaking?
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tantek
KevinMarks: no that was Cassie I believe
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: if you're trying to implement POSSE, how do you do that? Quill just tells your micropub endpoint what to do
(twitter.com/_/status/739158406074933248)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @myriadmystic: I have installed both wordpress and known and known is very good at telling you what you need to install too
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: one way to POSSE is to use brid.gy Publish by adding links which bridgy fills in
(twitter.com/_/status/739158778386501632)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: the other is https://silo.pub/ which give a common micropub api to multiple silos in a standard form
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KevinMarks2
I can do urls it take a wee bit longer
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KevinMarks2
say it before you say the off the record thing
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KevinMarks2
what url did he say?
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willnorris
Twitter: edrex
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aaronpk
eric.pdxhub.org
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willnorris
Eric.pdxhub.org i think ?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @edrex: My site is http://eric.pdxhub.org and it is built from github
(twitter.com/_/status/739160051177431040)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @edrex: I use hypothes.is to annotate other websites, which goes into a silo
(twitter.com/_/status/739160258858389504)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @edrex: this weekend I am working on camlistore which is good at sucking data in from lots of places
(twitter.com/_/status/739160390748262400)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @edrex: I want to integrate these indieweb protocols with camlistore this weekend
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KevinMarks2
what is his tool?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "his tool" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mv
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kylewm
Free your stuff.cc
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GWG
I have something I'd like to demo.
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tantek
come on up GWG!
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GWG
tantek: I'm the next contestant on the Price is Right?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Erik: My site is http://intelligentdesigns.net/ and I want to show off https://freeyourstuff.cc/ to bring your stuff from silos
(twitter.com/_/status/739161231567773697)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Erik: https://freeyourstuff.cc/ uses your own login as a browser plugin and pull down just your stuff
(twitter.com/_/status/739161481783173120)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Erik: what I'm working on right now is a way to bring your reviews back to your site
(twitter.com/_/status/739161899137372162)
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GWG
tantek: Just hold my place in line
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tantek
Emma is up next
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KevinMarks2
micropub of h-review sounds good
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tantek
notenoughneon.com
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tantek
also @notenoughneon
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tantek
except emmak on IRC
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@notenoughneon
I'm demoing skein at #indieweb summit 2016!
(twitter.com/_/status/739162425602113536)
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Zegnat
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @notenoughneon: I use Quill for posting - I don't have my own publishing interface and bridgy publish to posse to twitter,facebook
(twitter.com/_/status/739162511648362497)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @notenoughneon: so her's my post, http://notenoughneon.com/2016/6/4/1 can you reply to that on your own site or twitter
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @notenoughneon: this posting through my backend to s3 and github
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @notenoughneon: this sues a technique called PURL which uses the HTML of the posts as a content store http://notenoughneon.com/2016/5/29/purl-a-portable-content-store
(twitter.com/_/status/739163355571757064)
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bear
I sent a direct webmention
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@jimpick
Wow! Super cool - static site that ingests #indieweb and Twitter comments and republishes via git @notenoughneon https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/739163550971633664/photo/1
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tantek
next up @altsalt and altsalt.net
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @altsalt: My website is http://www.altsalt.net indieweb is very new to me, but I've worked on my web site for decades
(twitter.com/_/status/739163769205579776)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @altsalt: I started implementing h-entry stuff, but i want to show how I point my links to my profiles
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tantek
all his social media profile links, go through a personal redirect on his site
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tantek
which turns out to be an issue with indieauth
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tantek
so he added an invisible <link> to get it working so he could sign-in and RSVP
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @altsalt: I route profile links through a short link on my own site, but indieauth doesn't follow links like that
(twitter.com/_/status/739164076337684480)
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tantek
up next Shane, veganstraightedge.com and @veganstraightedge
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @veganstraightedge: I'm building software for myself called darkmatter and github is still a lot of stuff
(twitter.com/_/status/739164328314699776)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @veganstraightedge: heroku shipped a feature called a deploy hook - link to http://deploy.herokuapp.com/ from a github repo to deploy
(twitter.com/_/status/739164498297290752)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @veganstraightedge: I have a link on my site that lets you deploy your own darkmatter instance
(twitter.com/_/status/739164622054404097)
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@ChrisAldrich
Trying to play catch up on #IndieWeb Camp Summit after a hectic morning. Anyone have the livestream? http://indiewebcamp.com/2016
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Trying to play catch up on #IndieWeb Camp Summit after a hectic morning. Anyone have the livestream? http://indiewebcamp.com/2016" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/trying-to-play-catch-up-on-indieweb-camp-summit-after
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tantek
up next willnorris.com and @willnorris
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: My site is https://willnorris.com/ - there's a soccer player in England called Will Norris and he can't get any url
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boffosocko.com
edited /2016 (+110) "/* Remote Participation */ Link to live stream"
(view diff)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: I use jekyll as my personal site - Id in't to anything fancy - I author all my posts in vim and push markdown
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tantek
chrisaldrich++ thanks Chris for the live stream link!
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Loqi
chrisaldrich has 2 karma
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: I have a little command line tool for inserting timestamps and one to insert the epoch as a newbase60
(twitter.com/_/status/739166195807604736)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Shane Becker - Dark Matter and the #IndieWeb" http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/05/12/dark-matter-and-the-indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Not Enough Neon" http://notenoughneon.com
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Loqi
[indieweb] "The Alt World of Salt /?/ altSalt" http://www.altsalt.net
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Loqi
[indieweb] "freeyourstuff.cc" https://freeyourstuff.cc/
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: and I have a command line tool to send the webmentions from the link in my post
(twitter.com/_/status/739166490759462914)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: I'm using bridgy to do my outbound posse and it is very manual
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: I've built a lot of go libraries - the go webmention library includes this command line tool
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miklb
there is also a webmention.io plugin for Jekyll that helps automate sending webmentions
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: so you don't need a lot of infrastructure to get up and running
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tantek
next up is GWG, David Shanske
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rMdes_
great, interested into getting up to date on how #indieweb for WP has evolved
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dshanske: my site is https://david.shanske.com - I do a lot of work on the wordpress indieweb plugins
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bear
thanks GWG
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dshanske: this theme is called bearbones named after bear in the chatroom who complains about the sparsity of his design
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@notenoughneon
Forgot to mention my #indieweb site is powered by skein. It's open source: https://github.com/notenoughneon/skein
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dshanske: I have my test site where I can do example posts. I can reply to aaron by pasting in his post url
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dshanske: I am going to deploy rel-me links and syndication links as SVG as @kevinmarks keeps annoying me about it
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tantek
next up: Cassie
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tantek
cassie.wtf and @myriadmystic
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GWG
rMdes_: I need to deploy that Indieweb update and let everyone get upset with me
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @myriadmystic: my site is wordpress and I need to deploy more indieweb plugins - I post song of the day
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KevinMarks2
what was the 2nd site?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "2nd site" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mw
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rMdes_
GWG, let's do this ! I'll happily test at www.euwatch.eu (even just on 1 page) just want to get used on how to implement it for WP
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@ChrisAldrich
I just finished importing all of my Instagram posts (PESOS) to http://boffosocko.com/ #indieweb #ownyourdata #WordPress
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KevinMarks2
cassie's 2nd site ?
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GWG
We're working on improving it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @myriadmystic: I also have Known running in 2 directories - one is private and one is the content we post on social media
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@benwerd
High five to @kevinmarks for being the supportive backbone of the #indieweb community, even when he's not able to be here in person.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb William Madison: my site is http://blindinsight.com/ - I lost my vision 3 years ago, and I need tools to help me with it
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Loqi
[indieweb] "High five to @kevinmarks for being the supportive backbone of the #indieweb community, even when he's not able to be here in person." by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/high-five-to-kevinmarks-for-being-the-supportive-backbone-of
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb William Madison: I need a platform to manage flow, relationships with people - a personal CRM that work when non-sighted
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tantek
"I have almost 500 contacts in my Gmail, not accessible to me."
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GWG
I just deployed that version.
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tantek
"I have files and files and files in Google Drive, where I started creating thoughts in 2010. And I can't access it. It works kinda janky. I don't think that's acceptable."
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb William Madison: I have hundreds of people in my contacts in gmail, and documents in gdrive that are hard to get to
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rMdes_
how id g drive hard to use ?
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@rosewoodat5th
@m_ott @CraftCMS looks super interesting! I am new to the concept/protocol of webmention can you suggest a resource to get up to speed?
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rMdes_
is not id
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb William Madison: there si a twitter app for the blind called chicken nugget https://q-continuum.net/chicken_nugget/
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aaronpk
i've never tried using google drive with a screen reader but i imagine it'd be a terrible experience
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jkphl
rMdes: he's blind and g drive is not accessible
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb William Madison: with amazon, the screen reader reads everything twice as the image and the link both are marked up
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rMdes_
Wow sorry, I didn't got that from the stream
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb William Madison: when blind people use a screen reader and go to your website the headers get read out twice
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rMdes_
damn, yeah that's a whole dimmension i never think about
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rMdes_
kudos #indiewebcamp to have a blind person speak about his needs, that can only be good for accessibility
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kylewm
I don't know if you heard, but he credited Kevinmarks with talking about us on TWiT
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Jim Pick: My website is https://jimpick.com/ and I built serverless which hooks up amazon lambda to your website
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kylewm
Kevinmarks++
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Loqi
Kevinmarks has 221 karma
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Jim Pick: I have a tool called lambda comments https://jimpick.com/2016/05/05/introducing-lambda-comments/ I'd like to add webmentions
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tantek
up next rhiaro
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KevinMarks2
(I'm guessing at the screen as all I see is reflection of the window)
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[chrisaldrich]
For those not local, how many people are in the room with the live stream right now?
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rMdes_
8 on the stream i think
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KevinMarks2
8 counting portland
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KevinMarks2
demo a PWA
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tantek
isgeek.net @jjdelc
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tantek
he just posted a tweet
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @jjdelc: My site is http://www.isgeek.net/ and I want to talk about how people handle their personal photo storage
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KevinMarks2
demo mobilepub - it works well when network is bad
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KevinMarks2
also adactio's site
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scott_gruber: my site is https://scottgruber.me and I started trying indieweb a week ago -I'm a web producer not a coder
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tantek
wanted to show his latest tweet
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tantek
next up Scott Gruber
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tantek
started just a week ago
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tantek
the barrier to entry is not bad even as a non-programmer
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rMdes_
amazing
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scott_gruber: I was able to gte my RSVP webmention working on the 2016 site https://scottgruber.me/notes/indiewebcamp
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@benwerd
Pretty excited to have a decentralized interaction with a food truck right about now. #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Pretty excited to have a decentralized interaction with a food truck right about now. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/pretty-excited-to-have-a-decentralized-interaction-with-a-food
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@benwerd
V exciting to see what everyone's been building on my own sites though. I love to see people crafting their own online identities. #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "V exciting to see what everyone's been building on my own sites though. I love to see people crafting their own online identities. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/v-exciting-to-see-what-everyones-been-building-on-my
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Loqi
[indieweb] "GitHub - notenoughneon/skein: Indieweb static site generator" https://github.com/notenoughneon/skein
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scott_gruber: 1st time I didn't have my h-card, but the slack channel helped me fix it so I show up at http://2016.indieweb.org/#Indie%20RSVPs
(twitter.com/_/status/739174131665645568)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scott_gruber: I wanted to demo to show that the barriers to entry are low, and you can get involved easily
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bear
someone warn the kilt wearer that the camera is kinda low... in case he is "care free"
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miklb
that's Salt
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rMdes_
is there a rational reason why the stream quality is so low-res ?
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rMdes_
sound is cool though
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bear
overloaded wifi at the location and I think they are using LTE so are probably getting throttled by the carrier now
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rMdes_
ok make sense
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rMdes_
bon apppétit !
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bear
goes to find food also
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GWG
I may have broken a feature in the new Indieweb plugin
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GWG
I'll fix it
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miklb
heh, video quality just improved
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rMdes_
GWG : does the current indiweb pack plugin for WP integrate all the necessary parts ? or is there some plugins out there that users need to know are also part of the full functionality you expect to have in the long run ?
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miklb
rMdes_ currently the IndieWeb plugin is a plugin loader of sorts. He's adding h-card and rel=me links to it, but it suggests all the other plugins you'd need.
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miklb
but it's still a work in progress
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rMdes_
ok perfect than
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rMdes_
i was asking because I see other plugins like Brdigy publish or post kinds and it wasn't clear to me if those outside of the pack where also needed or not
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miklb
there is still a lot of discussion as to the path to take to simplify getting started with IndieWeb and WordPress, but it has required and suggested plugins, including those currently
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miklb
!tell voxpelli wonder if the Heroku deploy from GitHub path that veganstraightedge uses for DarkMatter would be a good intermediate step for Jekyll Micropub.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb
rMdes_ that confusion I believe is a primary goal to solve.
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aaronpk
I'm a little worried that hangouts won't work well for the breakout sessions
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rMdes_
aaronpk, I did tons of livestream over the years, many times on difficult or harsh network situation, you need definitely a wifi hotspot separated from the ones the public is using
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aaronpk
the second half of the morning it was streaming from my phone which was only 3G, but it was apparently still better than the wifi
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rMdes_
you need at least 4g
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miklb
perhaps we need a crowd fund for dedicated wifi for streaming in the future
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aaronpk
my mifi is 4g but I think I used up the free 200mb I get
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rMdes_
what works well is those mini routers that convert rj45 cable ethernet to wifi
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rMdes_
so you're kinda "alone" on that line and the stream will use all the bandwith it can
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aaronpk
I can just plug in the computer to Ethernet at that point
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rMdes_
indeed
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rMdes_
you could also try to have the stream done on periscope, might use less bandwith, since we don't speak anyway
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aaronpk
I'll see if I can find a cable here otherwise I'll bring one tomorrow
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rMdes_
or bambuser
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rMdes_
those apps are finetuned for livestreaming and adapt better to network conditions than hangout to my experience
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aaronpk
I wanna try self hosting the stream :-)
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rMdes_
that's a whole another world, i had some experience with this, it's not a light infrastructure
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@kevinmarks
Notes from this morning's opening demos at Indieweb Summit: http://www.kevinmarks.com/iwc2016-06-04.html #indieweb #indiewebsummit
(twitter.com/_/status/739180966556532736)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Notes from this morning's opening demos at Indieweb Summit: http://www.kevinmarks.com/iwc2016-06-04.html #indieweb #indiewebsummit" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-this-mornings-opening-demos-at-indieweb-summit-iwc2016-06-04html
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rMdes_
aaronpk, ever checked this out : https://iris.bambuser.com/#/home ?
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rMdes_
you could try P2P Streaming with Tribbler
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rMdes_
it's "self hosted" in the sense that the more peers watch it, the more distributed it is
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@puellavulnerata
Twitter 2010: "I wish people would stop tweeting their lunch" Twitter 2016: "What's with all the bloody Nazis and Stalinists?"
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KevinMarks1
seemed apropos for lunchtime
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rMdes_
alright ):
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rMdes_
thanks
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[chrisaldrich]
rMdes_ There are a bunch of semi-active and non-active WordPress plugins on github. Some are redundant to what's in the IndieWeb plugin and some can potentially conflict or are forks of other projects. Checking the issue queues on the github repositories can sometimes give you a clue as to how new/fresh something is or what problems or features it has coming up. The latest commits will also give you a good idea too. Projects which haven't
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[chrisaldrich]
in a while may not work as well or may have conflicts with the stuff in IndieWeb.
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rMdes_
ok thanks for the info
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rMdes_
are those [comments] coming from slack or is Chris here ?
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rMdes_
okey i'm late into the indieweb slack i guess :)
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm on slack from Los Angeles
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miklb
slack is a bridge to the channel
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rMdes_
great, seems to work nicely :)
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[chrisaldrich]
aaronpk, even if you don't have the bandwidth for video, even the audio is very useful
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, I need to push a fix to the Indieweb plugin. Something went wrong
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rMdes_
indeed, at some point i switched to only audio and it was great experience too
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miklb
especially if someone in the room is augmenting the discussion with text updates in IRC
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rMdes_
reading the blindinsight site and getting to understand what it's like to be blind and on the web and I'm fascinated
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aaronpk
Hmm maybe I should just plan on only audio in the future
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rMdes_
audio ? ever tried DiscordApp ? it's for gamers, but i'm doing some experiment to use it in remote meetings etc..
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miklb
well, I'd say I'd "pay" for a remote ticket that helps cover video too but making best of situation
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rMdes_
there is mobile app for most phones
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rMdes_
works great, it's like teamspeak but made in 2016
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rMdes_
like Mumble but on the browser
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[chrisaldrich]
I use a Livescribe Pulse pen for audio recording lectures for archiving and podcasting at a later date. It's simple and inexpensive for audio capture.
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG: What's broken about the IndieWeb plugin? I used it a few weeks back (last) and it seemed okay...
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[chrisaldrich]
kevinmarks++ for noterlive and always livetweeting all things #indiewebcamp
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Loqi
kevinmarks has 222 karma
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aaronpk
lol i forgot to bring the thunderbolt to ethernet adapter
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aaronpk
but i plugged in the h264 encoder via ethernet
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aaronpk
i think it's live
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bear
i'm seeing a TV and no people :)
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jkphl
i can access it but have no idea if it's really live as nothing is moving and there's no sound :D
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miklb
I saw someone walk near the display when I first joined
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bear
woo - aaronpk !
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sknebel
someone walked around a minute ago
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aaronpk
you should see me in a sec
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Loqi
I agree
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aaronpk
better?
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: I just pushed an update.
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jkphl
what about sound?
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KevinMarks1
it's 144p apparently
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KevinMarks1
no sound
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miklb
showing me Auto 360p
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sknebel
KevinMarks1: reload maybe, I get fluid 720p
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KevinMarks1
if I switch manually I get 720p wiht buffering pauses
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miklb
I'm not hearing audio however
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jkphl
me neither
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bear
any word on the audio?
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bear
hearing something, very faint and distant sounding
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Loqi
[indieweb] "V exciting to see what everyone's been building on my own sites though. I love to see people crafting their own online identities. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/v-exciting-to-see-what-everyones-been-building-on-my
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aaronpk
you should have audio now
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aaronpk
the encoder was set wrong
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aaronpk
nobody's talking now tho
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Eloquence
for anyone who saw the https://freeyourstuff.cc/ pres -- I'm still looking for folks interested in hosting mirrors of liberated content: https://freeyourstuff.cc/mirrors -- pretty small commitment for now
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@willnorris
Perhaps the youngest presenters at an @indiewebcamp? 8 and 10 year old Z&T demoed http://myhamsterblog.com /cc @shanselman
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Eloquence
also, thinking about logo ideas for http://lib.reviews/ -- anyone can think of good imagery that evokes libre/free/open source and is not gnu-shaped? :)
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bear
have the sessions been determined yet
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miklb
has anyone documented using silo.pub or bridgy to auto syndicate micropub?
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@jimpick
Thanks to @wearevadio for providing the space for #indieweb. Cold brew on tap and they have a cool whiskey room! https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/739195985025323008/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/739195985025323008)
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bear
the volume is too low to understand
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jkphl
no sound (again?)
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sknebel
very very silent sound
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aaronpk
you couldn't hear me?
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sknebel
it is extremely quiet
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benwerd
Session organization is happening now.
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willnorris.com
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gregorlove.com
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snarfed
(bridgy doesn't do micropub)
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aaronpk
sure wish i could figure out why the audio is so quiet
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aaronpk
did you find the link to the "left shark" room?
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gregorlove.com
edited /2016/Schedule (+61) "/* Saturday 2016-06-04 */ 14:00 grid"
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bear
where is the etherpad I see being worked on?
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kylewm
taking some notes on the (sad) state of shared Hosting in http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/hosting
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sknebel
aaronpk: link to other room? is there a second stream?
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gregorlove.com
edited /2016/Schedule (+73) "/* Saturday 2016-06-04 */ 14:45 grid"
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gRegor-mobile
gRegor-mobile
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aaronpk
gwg is setting up another room
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gRegor-mobile
oops
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bear
is there an ehterpad for the hosting breakout?
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gregorlove.com
edited /2016/Schedule (+87) "/* Saturday 2016-06-04 */ 15:30 grid"
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gregorlove.com
edited /2016/Schedule (+45) "/* Saturday 2016-06-04 */ 16:15 grid"
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gRegor-mobile
Schedule grid is up, except for one at 14:45 which I couldn't read in my photo. :)
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gregorlove.com
edited /2016/Schedule (+22) "/* Saturday 2016-06-04 */ #indiehosting link"
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bear
is their a video link for "Dance Thief" room?
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kylewm
GWG: is there a video link for Dance Thief?
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gregorlove.com
edited /2016/Schedule (+19) "/* Saturday 2016-06-04 */ IndieMark link"
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gregorlove.com
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gRegor-mobile
Does Static POSSE session have an etherpad?
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bear
gRegor-mobile - did the video link for DanceThief get posted yet?
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gRegor-mobile
I haven't seen it. Think GWG set it up but is afk
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bear
thanks
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gregorlove.com
created /2016/StaticPOSSE (+48) "etherpad"
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aaronpk
Note: the main room is not very good for remote participation
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gRegor-mobile
bear: GWG is still working on it.
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dancthief
That is the link for Dance Thief
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GWG
bear: How's the experience in Dance Thief?
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bear
gwg - very good - much thanks!
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GWG
Sorry for the delay. SHould have pre-prepared.
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@rhiaro
I'm Amy and my site is broken. As is traditional for indiewebcamps. https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/739172076880289796
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miklb
didn't get a chance to chime in, but added a link to a Jekyll plugin to help with sending webmentions. ping me if questions on how I am using it
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miklb
^static site POSSE
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gRegor-mobile
"HI, AMY."
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gregorlove.com
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sknebel
bear: remote controlled tripods for the future?
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aaronpk
PTZ cameras next time :)
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sknebel
does structured data has an etherpad?
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@m_ott
@rosewoodat5th Hi Alan, it is ;) Webmentions (a W3C candidate recommendation as of late) are basically a new form of pingback.
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@m_ott
@rosewoodat5th If you write an article that cites/responds to my article, your server sends a Webmention to my server…
(twitter.com/_/status/739216283590352896)
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@m_ott
@rosewoodat5th …information on the corresponding article page. Webmentions are part of the #IndieWeb toolkit: https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/739216530114793473)
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tantek.com
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sknebel
What is camliststore?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "camliststore" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mx
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aaronpk
what is camlistore?
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sknebel
aaronpk: thx
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@Bradamante
Amazing discussions of accessibility @indiewebcamp. Streaming data, structured data, where to start?
(twitter.com/_/status/739222236960161792)
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sknebel
bear: the person in hangouts without a picture is me
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bear
coolness
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bear
the person with the picture looks familiar to me
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jkphl
bear: that's me :)
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bear
I swear I've met you before - your face is familiar
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jkphl
i guess we haven't (yet)
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Eloquence
personal photo store session etherpad: http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/indiepps
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KevinMarks1
whats living the indieweb life about? flying back and forth to germany a lot?
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sknebel
oh, photo store is in the room without stream :/
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gRegor-mobile
Offline first: http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/offline
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Eloquence
sknebel, we can take a photo of the room ;)
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Eloquence
it is the room with the cool mugshot photos in it
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tantek
bear ^^^
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KevinMarks1
offline peeps - there are indeie examples to look at
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KevinMarks1
wapo.com/pwa is an interesting example but it only wants to run on mobile
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@benwerd
Having a pretty interesting philosophical #indieweb conversation over here http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/indieweb-life
(twitter.com/_/status/739230750269046784)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Having a pretty interesting philosophical #indieweb conversation over here http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/indieweb-life" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/having-a-pretty-interesting-philosophical-indieweb-conversation-over-here-indieweb-life
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gRegor-mobile
kylewm is trying out ben.thatmustbe.me/mobilepub
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KevinMarks1
mobilepub was cordova before; ben changed it this week
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Loqi
[Kyle Mahan] Testing offline posting during our offline first session
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gRegor-mobile
kylewm noted there wasn't any interactive/indication that it had posted, but it did post.
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bear
the live stream in in presenter mode? but no secondary input
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sknebel
aaronpk: main stream has trouble with syncing to the connected laptop
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sknebel
fancy colors instead of a screen image
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miklb
someone got the link again?
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bear
^^ main room
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miklb
thanks, found it
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gregorlove.com
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aaronpk
fixed the main room screen
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bear
is the main room audio noisy for anyone else?
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sknebel
bear: yes, has been like that the entire day
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sknebel
aaron tried to fix it, but didn't have success
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aaronpk
the AC is reeaaallly loud
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aaronpk
it's working overtime right now
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bear
ah - yea, room AC is evil for audio
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aaronpk
trying to figure out if there's a way to run a compressor or other plugin through this device
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tantek.com
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gregorlove.com
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gregorlove.com
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Eloquence
had to bail - thanks for putting on a great conf :)
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@benwerd
Concerned by the "people don't know data is valuable" argument. People aren't dumb. For some, open / #indieweb might not solve a problem.
(twitter.com/_/status/739240519641899010)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Concerned by the "people don't know data is valuable" argument. People aren't dumb. For some, open / #indieweb might not solve a problem." by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/concerned-by-the-people-dont-know-data-is-valuable-argument
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tantek.com
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@Vancouver_CP
Vancouver trends now: Fraser River, #SMMastery, #MuhammadAli, #indieweb and #CanWNT. http://toplocalnow.com/canada/british-columbia/vancouver?section=trends
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gregorlove.com
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@jimpick
"Git is the zipfile of our generation" #indieweb
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KevinMarks1
data isn't valuable - that is why you need millions of users worth to do anything, and even there proving it beats unsurveilled ads isn't easy
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm: saw from the etherpad that you used mobilepub. Feedback welcome. The issue You mentioned is already captured on github issues I believe
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: what issue is that?
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ben_thatmustbeme
No feedback of replaying offline posts
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kylewm
ohh yep
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: it didn't give me an option to add to my homescreen on Android yet, any clue why? it seems like everything is there that needs to be
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ben_thatmustbeme
I know you need to visit it at least twice, over 5 minutes apart. But I never got it to show.. i'm not sure it's reading the app manifest correctly. I haven't seen it use any of that data
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david.shanske.com
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