#indiewebcamp 2016-06-30

2016-06-30 UTC
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gRegorLove reads back
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gRegorLove Re: chat, perhaps we should more prominently promote it on the homepage. Not a banner across the top, but perhaps a larger button with some color. Then we don't have to worry about any puncutation, just tell people to join the discussion at indieweb dot org
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gRegorLove pronouncing punctuation, I mean.
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gRegorLove Or put another way, I don't think pronouncing punctuation should be much of a determining factor in subdomain vs subdirectory.
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tantek gRegorLove: you'd be surprised how much that makes a difference with voice understanding
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tantek and thus usability
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tantek and usability should always be a determining factor
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gRegorLove I'd much rather say "join our chat at indieweb dot org" over either "join our chat at chat dot indieweb dot org" OR "join our chat at indieweb dot org slash chat"
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gRegorLove It seems like more of a "problem" for the design / layout.
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gRegorLove Back in a few. Heading to HWC.
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tantek !tell gRegorLove Thesaurus bot: It sounds like you you’re looking for a synonym for "chat". Try "join the discussion at chat dot indieweb dot org"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove tantek: You're missing my point. If chat is something we want to promote prominently, it should be a key part of the homepage and we don't have to say anything more complex than "indieweb dot org"
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 20 minutes ago: Thesaurus bot: It sounds like you you’re looking for a synonym for "chat". Try "join the discussion at chat dot indieweb dot org" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-29/line/1467245805198
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gRegorLove If we're speaking the full URL, either of the proposed alternatives is better than "indiewebcamp dot com slash irc slash today" though :)
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tantek it's already on the home page - in the sidebar
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aaronpk +1 for more prominent launch the chat from the home page
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aaronpk right now the sidebar links to /IRC which is...a wall of text
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aaronpk and not the chat text
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tantek you do realize the "make it more prominent" is nearly the design equivalent of "make the logo bigger" right?
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tantek wat
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aaronpk srsly there is no visual hierarchy on these wiki pages
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tantek that's what the edit button is for
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aaronpk also the sidebar actually links to "Chat Log" which is not obvious that that's how you JOIN the chat
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tantek it's not
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tantek because you still have to click an extra button
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aaronpk lol there's "Discuss" too but I didn't even notice that because that's so not obvious that it's the chat also
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tantek we need a way to actually open with the "enter your username here: [____]"
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tantek auto-focused and all
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tantek reduce all the clicks!
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aaronpk sounds like a good feature request for the chat page
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tantek or
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tantek The number of clicks is too damn high!
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tantek I keep trying to meme but Loqi doesn't listen. :(
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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aaronpk regardless, again, none of this needs to be decided now
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tantek hey you brought it up :P
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aaronpk gregor brought it up
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tantek then gregor can file whatever issue wherever its apparently obvious to do so because using github is easier right? ;)
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tantek s/its app/it's app
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Loqi tantek meant to say: then gregor can file whatever issue wherever it's apparently obvious to do so because using github is easier right? ;)
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aaronpk there's no github repo for the chat logs yet because it's currently just a pile of php
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gRegorLove "make it more prominent" was my shorthand for "improve the design and layout of the homepage", not just "make it bigger."
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gRegorLove "sidebar of the homepage" is definitely not what I'm thinking.
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gRegorLove Le sigh.
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gRegorLove I "brought it up" because kylewm mentioned it. It's on the /rename_to_IndieWeb page as part of aaronpk's comment and I was just pointing out http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-29/line/1467245352136
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Loqi [gRegorLove] Or put another way, I don't think pronouncing punctuation should be much of a determining factor in subdomain vs subdirectory.
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[kylewm] unsolicited opinion: we could stand to reduce the level of animosity in this channel … lots of “Le sigh”s lately
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gRegorLove Sorry
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gRegorLove Sincerely
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[kylewm] gregorlove: ? no I mean, lots of people have expressed frustrated like you did, in interactions here discussing the rename stuff
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[kylewm] I don’t think you contributed to animosity?
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[kylewm] frustration*
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gRegorLove I didn't intend animosity. I have been a bit frustrated today (not indieweb-related)
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gRegorLove I should have just taken a breath and said my part, leaving out the "Le sigh." So just apologizing for frustration coming through.
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Loqi +1
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[kylewm] aw man, I am not being clear :stuck_out_tongue: I think expressing frustration is fine
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gRegorLove Now I'm frustrated with kylewm. ;) jk jk
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aaronpk everyone just blame loqi
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Loqi grins profusely
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gRegorLove gives Loqi the frustration
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Loqi eyes the frustration
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[shaners] Hey everybody! I’m at HWC SF now / for the first time.
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[shaners] Unrelatedly, just purely coincidentally, my girlfriend and I (who live in a VW van) decided to just stay in SF for the summer.
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[shaners] Yay! SF friends and HWC. Boo, no more HWC LA organized by me anytime soon. Hashtag tradeoffs.
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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[kylewm] awesome!
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[shaners] kylewm: totally awesome! That means that you and I can pair on whatever whenever, not just when I happen to be in town. :smile:
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KevinMarks1 @shaners go to http://104.196.131.91:8080/
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KevinMarks1 is trying to get kyle to add things
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KevinMarks1 why can tantek login with twitter there, but shaners and I can't
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (-174) "/* TODO */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (+248) "/* TODO: did add pronoun fields explanation */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (+54) "/* TODO: add syntax highlighting for html h-card copy/pasta */" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to Homebrew Website Club - this is the first one at Mozilla since the Indieweb Summit (twitter.com/_/status/748330792527462400)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: This weekend we're going to change the main url from http://indiewebcamp.com to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/748330900811878405)
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aaronpk lol link redirects
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb
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aaronpk hmm i should make Loqi *not* follow temporary redirects when expanding t.co URLs
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Loqi who, me?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we discussed this on the wiki at http://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb and how to move the chat logs (twitter.com/_/status/748331317234896899)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we're plannign on splitting the channels to indieweb, indieweb-dev and indieweb-chat (twitter.com/_/status/748331611863777280)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: I discovered indieweb a week ago, and the values and motivations were thinking along the same lines (twitter.com/_/status/748332460744794112)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: I found indieweb through someone's personal website. (twitter.com/_/status/748332619436273664)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: I used to make games to inspire people but now I make tools instead (twitter.com/_/status/748332804052819969)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: I like simplicity and correctness - I was using C++ up until a couple of years ago, but now I'm using go alone (twitter.com/_/status/748333057074151424)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: my website is at https://dmitri.shuralyov.com and is pretty basic, but I have a lot of go-based projects in github (twitter.com/_/status/748333350188883968)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: so I wanted to make the github issue tracker for myself (twitter.com/_/status/748333677705322496)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: During quiet writing hour I wrote that my girlfriend and I decided to live in SF for the summer (twitter.com/_/status/748333888972423168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: we base our wiki profiles on URLs at the moment, and it it a mess - the wiki is not good at structured data (twitter.com/_/status/748334248977895424)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: @gregorlove made an infobox for users to use in the wiki, but it is dtll a ness (twitter.com/_/status/748334624057790464)
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gRegorLove Haha
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: ythis kind of grew organicall (twitter.com/_/status/748334922708975616)
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gRegorLove I posted some pretty pictures during quiet writing hour: http://gregorlove.com/2016/06/diablo-lake/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Diablo Lake
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: so we adopted the sparlkine template model, but that means we end up wiht a DRY problem (twitter.com/_/status/748335170432942080)
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tantek shaners is demoing h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: if you go to http://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/ you can fill in your site and get an h-card back (twitter.com/_/status/748335516899225600)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: as well as names we can specify pronouns so people can be addressed correctly by Loqi (twitter.com/_/status/748336368095494144)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: I think editing a form is easier than filling in a wiki page (twitter.com/_/status/748337008683126784)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: this link http://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/chat-people is a replacement for the name lookup that we use for irc now (twitter.com/_/status/748337196411797504)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @veganstraightedge: we need to work on making authorship work rather than just first h-card on the page eg http://www.kevinmarks.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/748337925704810496)
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gRegorLove kylewm: Did the PuSH information go away on the Woodwind subscription page?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: I got github issues working on my own site: http://gotools.org:34601/github.com/gorilla/mux/issues/174 (twitter.com/_/status/748339392872341505)
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gRegorLove Only asking because I was trying to debug an updated post by PuSH that Woodwind didn't seem to pick up.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: then I wrote an adaptor to turn my blog dump into the issue tracker interface (twitter.com/_/status/748339597864767488)
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gRegorLove It updated when I manually polled, though.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: rather than build my own user registration system I enables github login for comments (twitter.com/_/status/748340051034116100)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: my blog is at https://dmitri.shuralyov.com/blog and you can comment there with github logins (twitter.com/_/status/748340186719916032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: and I added emoji reactions too (twitter.com/_/status/748340238968307712)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: after making emoji reactions work I imported LinkedIN data to my blog so you can react to my skills with emoji (twitter.com/_/status/748340570163150848)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: after discovering what people are doing with webmentions my next job is for people to own their reactions (twitter.com/_/status/748340755689836544)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: if you view source you see that my pages are compiled from go into javascript (twitter.com/_/status/748341093310283777)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: ideally I'd render on the backend and show it as HTML too so you can parse it (twitter.com/_/status/748341337230028800)
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@Shoq .@kevinmarks It's so important what you're doing, I keep hoping a massive silo fail bumps up media awareness of it. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748341471300976640)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: I publish straight from my projects page to my site (twitter.com/_/status/748341670261981185)
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@Shoq .@kevinmarks @shurcooL I once described what you're doing as "trying to help the Internet save it from itself." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748341689262153729)
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kylewm gregorlove, yeah, KevinMarks 's recent PR hid that information (it's still in the HTML just display: none)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @shurcooL: all my personal stuff is open source so you can work on this (twitter.com/_/status/748342032125526016)
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gRegorLove Ok. I like the collapsing arrows btw
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we had the Indieweb summit in portland wiht about 50 people attending (twitter.com/_/status/748342346236952580)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a couple of days after that we had the w3c SocialWG meeting pushing Micropub and Webmention to CR (twitter.com/_/status/748342531046391808)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: 2 days after that we had the http://www.decentralizedweb.net/ summit at the internet archive that covered indieweb too (twitter.com/_/status/748342659761184768)
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gRegorLove kylewm: Is "Last checked" when it was literally last polled, vs. PuSH? I was confused because the push worked but it said "checked 8 hours ago"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we organised a homebrew website club popup in London, and that is now supposed to be monthly (twitter.com/_/status/748342781094076419)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: last week was Open Source Bridge in Portland, and @aaronpk gave a talk on standardizing the social web (twitter.com/_/status/748343043342893056)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: and Nuremburg held an Indieweb hack day last week (twitter.com/_/status/748343124385226752)
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@sfnewtech @marccanter4real talking about the #OpenWeb vs. #CloseWeb #SFNT #SiliconValley #Mobile #URL #Internet #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/sfnewtech/status/748343675034361857/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/748343675034361857)
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tantek kevinmarks: there's Woodwind that kylewm built
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tantek KevinMarks: I've done some hacking on it recently
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[shaners] kevinmarks is demoing his changes to woodwind.xyz
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[shaners] kevinmarks: you can collapse posts
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tantek and subscriptions
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[shaners] kevinmarks: you can also expand whole feeds
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[shaners] kevinmarks: i was given a challenge by Holly Wood @girlziplocked:
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[shaners] “What if we can integrate Good Read with Twitter” @girlziplocked
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[shaners] kevinmarks: we can go to silo.pub, login, copy the URL from silo.pub.
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[shaners] kevinmarks: login to woodwind.xyz, paste that URL from silo.pub.
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2016-06-29-hwc-bellingham.jpg]]""
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tantek challenge from Holly Wood: https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/748009724910649348
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@girlziplocked Pitch: Integrate Google Reader with Twitter. (twitter.com/_/status/748009724910649348)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club (+59) "/* Photos */ Bellingham" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Look tantek, I took a photo!
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[shaners] kevinmarks: follow people’s site (tantek in this example), reply from woodwind.xyz, discover the syndicated URL of the note on tantek’s site to Twitter, post a tweet (as Kevin), in reply to @t.
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[shaners] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/748344643058708480
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@kevinmarks @t this street looks like it would fold up well in inception (twitter.com/_/status/748344643058708480)
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[shaners] @t’s tweet copy: https://twitter.com/t/status/748326335169196032
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@t Take me back to the pretty sunlit alleys of Paris. #latergram #nofilter #Paris #alley… http://tantek.com/2016/181/t3/sunlit-alleys-paris [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/748326335169196032)
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[shaners] tantek’s original post on his site:
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[shaners] http://tantek.com/2016/181/t3/sunlit-alleys-paris
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. Take me back to the pretty sunlit alleys of Paris. #latergram #nofilter
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@kenoldp Marc Canter is fire up about #openweb #sfnewtech #silliconvalley #indieweb #indiecamp https://www.instagram.com/p/BHQyYs_DFrE/ (twitter.com/_/status/748346353969934336)
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aaronpk !tell tantek did you have a function that finds URLs in typed text? can't remember if that's only part if cassis' autolink or if it's its own function
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [indieweb] "Retweeted this tweet: Kenold on Twitter: “Marc Canter is fire up about #openweb #sfnewtech #silliconvalley #indieweb #indiecamp https://t.co/jwp8D4bcMp“" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14511-2/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Retweeted this tweet: Kenold on Twitter: “Marc Canter is fire up about #openweb #sfnewtech #silliconvalley #indieweb #indiecamp https://t.co/jwp8D4bcMp“" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14511-2/
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KevinMarks I'm baffled why this works sometimes and not others http://104.196.131.91:8080/
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KevinMarks (adding a post block to the top)
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cweiske .
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@jimgroom @sgcarstensen Love indieweb's vision of POSSE, and @caseorganic's idea of templated self important critique http://cyborganthropology.com/Templated_Self #nousion (twitter.com/_/status/748386241872302081)
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@linux_everyday https://indieauth.com - Sign in with your domain name (using the rel-me-auth http://microformats.org/wiki/relmeauth protocol. #linux_everyday (twitter.com/_/status/748401342121639936)
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petermolnar if anyone aware of a php, markdown-safe, word wrapper?
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@benmartinezJ I like the sounds of an #indieweb https://twitter.com/mary_impraise/status/748478209063280640 (twitter.com/_/status/748479557393616897)
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rMdes petermolnar, is this a word wrapper ? https://github.com/michelf/php-markdown
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petermolnar no, but thank you :)
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petermolnar I use this: https://github.com/erusev/parsedown-extra
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petermolnar I realized it's not important anyway
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Loqi [indieweb] "How to Break Open the Web: a report on the first Decentralized Web Summit" by Cory Doctorow http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FairyVisions/~3/Q_-EyqyAbik/how-to-break-open-the-web-a-r.html
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (+113) "/* TODO */" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb "We’ve come to love the convenience of the centralized web, but we’ve failed to recognize how much we now have to ask permission." http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/indieweb-weve-come-to-love-the-convenience-of-the-centralized
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@grantpotter #indieweb "We’ve come to love the convenience of the centralized web, but we’ve failed to recognize how much .. http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/indieweb-weve-come-to-love-the-convenience-of-the-centralized (twitter.com/_/status/748581146888445952)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "How To Break Open The Web" http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/30/5/indieweb)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Repost of Grant Potter's post on known.networkeffects.ca" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/repost-of-grant-potters-post-on-knownnetworkeffectsca-4aecfe0ae4
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gRegorLove This is pretty awesome: http://a.singlediv.com/
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[shaners] Whoa. That’s incredible.
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miklb hmm can't figure out why adding the ?bridgy_omit_link=true isn't working everything *looks* right on my end
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gRegorLove miklb: Is it showing up in the logs on Bridgy? At the bottom of your profile there, each publish should have a log link
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gRegorLove Also double check that it's not adding an extra ?. Like "?source=x&target=y?bridgy_omit_link=true"
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gRegorLove I've made mistakes like that before
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snarfed miklb: ah. you need to add that param to your webmention request itself, not to the target url
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miklb oh.
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snarfed or if it's easier, add a <data class="p-bridgy-omit-link" value="no" /> to your h-entry
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snarfed er, value="yes"
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gRegorLove TIL about bridgy_omit_link=maybe. Awesome!
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snarfed kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 340 karma
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miklb I'll need to look at my workflow again. Thanks for the clarification
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miklb snarfed can I leave that in the target though and just add the data class to the h-hentry?
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miklb assumes since it is ignored should be fine
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gRegorLove Not on the same element as class=h-entry, but yes.
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miklb right. With my convoluted Jekyll set up, I add a conditional link in the html as well as send the webmention, so I can do it in that.
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gRegorLove I wrap my bridgy publish links within the h-entry with class=u-bridgy-omit-link
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gRegorLove Example: http://gregorlove.com/2016/06/oh-hey-bellingham-i-forgot/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Oh hey, Bellingham, I forgot to tweet it: Homebrew Website Club tonight and again on July 13th @WoodsCoffee! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club...
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miklb OK, so I just need to add another conditional in my template to check if the target has the omit_link=true and then add the class to the a href. Got it. Thanks!
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gRegorLove miklb: Or you can do the data element. It's safe to leave it in there always, afaik.
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gRegorLove Like, I don't remove it after I've published.
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gRegorLove Don't quote me on that. Now that I think about it, my set up wraps the actual bridgy publish link displayed in the page, then I replace that with the twitter/fb link.
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miklb well, because of the way I'm doing this with Jekyll, I have to have the href anyway, so conditionally adding the class isn't a big deal.
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gRegorLove cool
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miklb I haven't found a way to automate adding the actual social link to the post yet. Not sure there is a way with static site builds.
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veganstraightedge.com uploaded /File:hwc-sf-2016-06-29.jpg "HWC SF on 2016-06-29"
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veganstraightedge.com uploaded /File:hwc-sf-2016-06-29.gif "HWC SF on 2016-06-29, animated version"
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[shaners] You know how we sometimes talk about “inessential weirdness”? Specifically the “inessential weirdness” of the wiki? This section (#Photos on a HWC event page) is a perfect example of this. https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/17ad39fece5e8c54d84842dac5ab50da
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[shaners] There’s SO MUCH syntax in this little snippet. Punctuation, Punctuation, Punctuation.
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aaronpk lol yes uploading event photos is a terrible experience
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[shaners] I’m not even talking about uploading (which is its own terrible dumpster fire). I’m talking about the linked gist.
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aaronpk yeah the whole flow is super awkward
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[shaners] == Photos ==
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[shaners] * Bellingham
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[shaners] How do we think this is ok or expect anyone, especially new people, to write or edit this? It’s bananas!
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aaronpk we don't, it just happened
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/no-relme#post-8590995 > MichaelZed on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] No rel=me" (twitter.com/_/status/748624927532670977)
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gRegorLove Good points, though in a bit of defense, event photos are not something we ask new people to put up
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gRegorLove It's worked "OK" so far, vs building our own alternative.
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gRegorLove It would be nice post a photo on your site, link to the event page, send a webmention, then the event page displays it.
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aaronpk +1
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aaronpk i was just thinking about that
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gRegorLove What is photo comment?
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Loqi photo comment is what a photo reply looks like in the context of the original post that it is in-reply-to https://indiewebcamp.com/photo_comment
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gRegorLove kylewm: Your 2015.kylewm.com links on ^ are broken.
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gRegorLove What were you thinking, aaronpk? Would we need some way to indicate it's a photo from the event, vs a comment with a photo?
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aaronpk nah, probably any photo comment is fine to show on the page
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[kylewm] thx gregorlove
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gRegorLove Small improvement, when editing just the #Photos section now ^
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gRegorLove shaners: Is LA still happening 7/13? I know you said you won't be there, wasn't sure if someone else is taking the lead.
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@t Great article by @dangillmor & @kevinmarks on #indieweb #dwebsummit: How To Break Open The Web http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open (ttk.me t4i21) (twitter.com/_/status/748649967925878784)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Great article by @dangillmor & @kevinmarks on #indieweb #dwebsummit: How To Break Open The Web http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open" http://tantek.com/2016/182/t1/indieweb-how-to-open-web
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GWG I need to look at that we error in the Indieweb plugin.
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tantek shaners, aaronpk, re: photos on event pages - there used to be zero photos.
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tantek then I started adding some
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 19 hours, 46 minutes ago: did you have a function that finds URLs in typed text? can't remember if that's only part if cassis' autolink or if it's its own function http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-29/line/1467256996158
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tantek point is, it's possible at least
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tantek we went from zero to something, and now, something where most HWC meetups actually add photos
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tantek of course it could be better
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tantek but there's no "new person" expectation for that for example
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tantek that's a bit of a strawman
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tantek ah, I see gRegorLove already made that point
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tantek the problem is, there's literally TONS of such "domain / use-specific" UIs/UXs you could build
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tantek getting distracted doing that is partially why I keep referring to all these enterprise-class pits of despair
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tantek you end up making meta-stuff the whole time instead of *actual* indieweb things
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tantek just as a metric, check to see how much incremental progress you make on your site and itches list vs your "community" itches list
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[shaners] tantek: I’ve made very little progress on “community” itches. I’ve mostly only ever worked on my own site.
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tantek shaners - you've made great progress on h-card-as-a-service
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tantek FWIW just to show I'm trying to document / do the same balance thing myself, see my own https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#working_on where I've got separate personal site vs. indieweb community lists
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tantek so step one, document your separate lists of personal itches vs community itches
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Loqi [indieweb] "如何突破束缚 回归创造互联网的初衷？" http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/515709.htm
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tantek even if they're just short lists of 1-2 items ;)
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[shaners] tantek: I have TODO lists. Most of which aren’t on my wiki user profile bc the ease of use isn’t great for me.
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tantek that's fair, can you link to them from the wiki at least? I think a few other folks also keep their itches/TODO elsewhere
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tantek has anyone watched (or listened to) adactio's <A> talk? I've only read the article https://adactio.com/articles/10887
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] <A>
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: we were given a challenge by Holly Wood @girlziplocked: https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/748009724910649348 (twitter.com/_/status/748657844145225728)
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tantek heh
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tantek going to capture adactio's article as a post for now
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[shaners] no. they’re on my computer/s. not on a public webpage. :shrug:
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tantek if anyone has watched the video please add it to /videos_about
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: and I realised that we can do this with indieweb. If you go to https://silo.pub/ and login with twitter, (twitter.com/_/status/748658106096361472)
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tantek and if you've listened to the podcast, put it on /podcasts_about (I think that's a thing?)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: you get back a url like https://silo.pub/twitter.com/kevinmarks (with your twitter handle instead of kevinmarks) (twitter.com/_/status/748658290620510208)
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tantek shaners, I hear that. mine are a mix, though I'm constantly trying to push stuff off my local text file to the public lists at /User:Tantek.com and /Falcon in the hopes of serendipitious collaboration discovery by people doing searches
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tantek s/text file/text files
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: if you then go to https://woodwind.xyz/ and give it that URL, you have a feed reader logged in via twitter (twitter.com/_/status/748658438092300288)
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Loqi tantek meant to say: shaners, I hear that. mine are a mix, though I'm constantly trying to push stuff off my local text files to the public lists at /User:Tantek.com and /Falcon in the hopes of serendipitious collaboration discovery by people doing searches
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[shaners] i hear that. i’ll try to make an effort to move more of my indieweb related longer running TODOs over to my wiki profile.
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: If you go to settings and turn on micropub, you get reply, like and repost buttons under each entry. (twitter.com/_/status/748659128273338370)
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@kevinmarks @t Glad you liked it tantek, I think there's a lot #indieweb and #dwebsummit can do together in future (twitter.com/_/status/748659899517657093)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: so I can reply to things in the feed like this http://tantek.com/2016/182/t1/indieweb-how-to-open-web (twitter.com/_/status/748659996737548289)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: and have the tweet show up like this: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/748659899517657093 (twitter.com/_/status/748660041121669120)
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aaronpk what's kevin livetweeting?
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Loqi [indieweb] "如何突破束缚 回归创造互联网的初衷？" http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/cnbeta/ZiLA/~3/QwiW-qRRydc/515709.htm
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[shaners] <!channel> RFC. I wrote up a proposal on using h-card-as-a-service at people.indieweb.org to manage our profile information on the community site. I would like your feedback please.
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[shaners] https://indiewebcamp.com/People_App_Proposal
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aaronpk hmm what's the IRC-equivalent of slack's @channel feature?
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gRegorLove None I know of
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aaronpk i've seen people use "y'all" where everyone sets up highlights for "y'all" in their client
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aaronpk on my 8-person IRC server I had a command !all which made Loqi mention everyone in the room
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[shaners] you could ALL CAPS to get everyone’s attention. :grimacing:
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gRegorLove shaners: Feedback: What will happen with the existing wiki profile pages? If redirected, how will we be able to get the content of those pages back?
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tantek aaronpk, kevin is delayed tweeting his bits from last night's HWC, from notes that shaners and I took in IRC / twitter. easiest way for him to get it into his noterlive summary.
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[kylewm] @\channel is kind of intense … I prefer @\here (slashes removed of course)
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tantek could just suggest to people note there actually is a twitter @ channel
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: so @kylewmahan, should we add twitter etc nascar buttons to the https://woodwind.xyz/ homepage? (twitter.com/_/status/748662274894741504)
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tantek oops cognitive collision
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tantek really have to stop trying to think two sentences simultaneously
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[kylewm] is kevin live-tweeting a blog post?
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tantek just bits of what he said in person last night
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tantek sorry to miss you kylewm !
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tantek you should have seen the trick kevinmarks was making woodwind do!
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[kylewm] hehe
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Loqi yea
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-06-29" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-06-29.html
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tantek hey shaners, I'm willing to help with various mediawiki markup cleanup stuff, hopefully so you can stress less about that
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tantek and just focus on adding the content you want to add
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bear [shaners] - i'm very much +1 on your proposal
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tantek shaners, delayed big meta-LOL on " I’ve made very little progress on “community” itches." I mean, yeah, "very little" it's not like you redesigned the logo or anything with several community-centric feedback sessions. ;)
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tantek if that's "very little", goodness man, I think you may be being a bit harsh on yourself :)
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@kevinmarks Notes on last night's Homebrew Website Club are on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-06-29.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748667121932988416)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes on last night's Homebrew Website Club are on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-06-29.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-on-last-nights-homebrew-website-club-are-on-my