#indieweb 2016-07-27

2016-07-27 UTC
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aaronpk
New IndieWeb business model? http://i.imgur.com/FHEDOvD.png
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: do you mean an indieweb wide blocking/filtering service>
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tantek
just saw this in some email, and noticed that among the projects listed: "IndieWeb" http://get-d.net/#projects
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tantek
An interesting 3rd party summary: "The IndieWeb is a global community of hackers, tinkerers, and makers that are creating communication protocols, libraries, and software to power a decentralized social web. The IndieWeb focusses heavily on “dogfooding” or using these experimental new technologies in your daily web activity."
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rMdes_
great summary indeed !
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@calum_ryan
Tonight create something, update something, post something, demo something! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club
(twitter.com/_/status/758238117497335808)
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GWG
!tell snarfed I am doing a run through Bridgy Publish and noticed the documentation isn't clear on query parameters on the webmention links.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
kevinmarks++
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Loqi
kevinmarks has 243 karma (190 in this channel)
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snarfed
GWG: sorry for the trouble!
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Loqi
snarfed: GWG left you a message 51 minutes ago: I am doing a run through Bridgy Publish and noticed the documentation isn't clear on query parameters on the webmention links.
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snarfed
can you elaborate?
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GWG
snarfed: You added the ability to add query parameters to the publish link in the HTML itself. That is not in the about, but I remembered seeing the issue. It is a docs comment
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 2021-07-27 9:40am PDT (#5895)
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snarfed
aww aaronpk is so pessimistic
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snarfed
(silly name though)
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aaronpk
just skeptical
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aaronpk
they claim to be different from google drive and others but I don't buy it
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snarfed
GWG: thanks for the nudge, i'll add that they can be in the target url too
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aaronpk
I was hoping the "new spin on personal cloud storage" would be something more radical
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aaronpk
but it's just another file hosting service
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snarfed
and wow, it was founded in 2011
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snarfed
or 2012. still
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aaronpk
the features sound similar to what i'm scoping out on https://indieweb.org/Shoebox so I was excited at first
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GWG
snarfed, I am updating the WordPress plugin to use it.
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snarfed
GWG: cool! i added "...or Bridgy Publish backlink" to the docs, eg https://brid.gy/about#omit-link
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KevinMarks
Upthere, from the team that brought you iDisk, then took it away
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@calum_ryan
En route to Homebrew Website Club London (https://indieweb.org/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club ) diverted and somewhat delayed due to terrorism scare at the station
(twitter.com/_/status/758346432449568768)
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KevinMarks
Google drive took a long time to get right too
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snarfed
arguably more org/politics than product though
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tantek
hello HWC London calumryan !
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tantek
reminder: take a photo!
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calumryan
tantek hi! - looks like only two of us tonight for HWC London
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calumryan
discussing Jekyll/static sites and publishing out webmentions with barryf
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tantek
oh neat
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tantek
whither tommorris ?
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tantek
and anyone here from HWC brighton? adactio ?
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adactio
Here! Just about to post a photo on my site...
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-15 at 4:31pm UTC: forgot to mention at HWC London - MozFest is coming up (once again in Ravensbourne), submit session/speaking proposals: https://mozillafestival.org/proposals ASAP!
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-18 at 6:17am UTC: Can you confirm 2016-09-23…24 for IWC Brighton? If so, would you like a co-organizer to help with wiki page creation / editing for the event?
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-18 at 6:22am UTC: CORRECTION: 2016-09-24…25 for IWC Brighton per https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#Brighton_UK
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-25 at 3:38am UTC: do you know anyone @netmag re: GenerateConf London 21-23 Sept? Perhaps co-promote for IWC Brighton 24-25 Sept? https://twitter.com/netmag/status/746644630926565376
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message 3 weeks, 6 days ago: Could you confirm a venue for your next HWC meetup? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message 1 week, 6 days ago: could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for the next HWC in your city? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: can you confirm a venue for HWC Brighton on the 27th? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek
lolololol
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tantek
adactio, is there an indie event for IWC Brighton?
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aaronpk
haha sorry for the !tell backfill
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Loqi
hehe
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aaronpk
fixed it recently and turns out it had been not quite working for a while
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adactio
There's a blog post on my site for IWC Brighton, which accepts webmentions but not RSVPs specifically.
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tantek
adactio - ooh sounds like a neat hack project for you to somehow know when to accept RVSPs
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tantek
if your post is primarily about an event
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tantek
IN THE FUTURE
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adactio
Here's the turnout at HWC Brighton: https://adactio.com/notes/11028
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Loqi
[Jeremy Keith] Great turnout for Homebrew Website Club in Brighton this evening! Great turnout for Homebrew Website Club in Brighton this evening! https://adactio.com/images/uploaded/11028/large.jpg
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tantek
hah - you took the "indieweb" shorturl for 2016 for IWC Brighton on Lanyrd: http://lanyrd.com/2016/indieweb/
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Loqi
Indie Web Camp Brighton 2016
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tantek
that's a great turnout!!!
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tantek
adactio, do you have an upcoming events section on your site where you link to your upcoming event posts?
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adactio
tantek: No, I have an upcoming events page (of where I'll be speaking) but it's a hard-coded list: https://adactio.com/about/speaking
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tantek
I hear you on hardcoded upcoming events, mine is on my home page but also hardcoded :/
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Loqi
[Jeremy Keith] Save the dates for Indie Web Camp Brighton 2016
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adactio
tantek: Tha's the one. I'll probably write mroe in the run-up too.
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tantek
I'll try RSVPing to it and see what your site does
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tantek
thanks for the photo adactio, added: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#Photos - and as the first to post a photo, pretty sure that means yours will get featured in this week's This Week
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tantek
adactio, you support tagging your photos right? how much work would it be for you to add /person-tags to https://adactio.com/notes/11028 ?
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Loqi
[Jeremy Keith] Great turnout for Homebrew Website Club in Brighton this evening! Great turnout for Homebrew Website Club in Brighton this evening! https://adactio.com/images/uploaded/11028/large.jpg
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calumryan
HWC London https://calumryan.com/note.php?noteId=302 (excuse the low res selfie)
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Loqi
[Calum Ryan] HWC London with @barryf
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cweiske
ben_thatmustbeme, is it possible to pre-fill fields in https://ben.thatmustbe.me/new by passing GET parameters?
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cweiske
jonnybarnes, is it possible to pre-fill fields in https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/new by passing GET parameters?
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GWG
snarfed: You are still using Indiewebcamp over Indieweb as well.
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snarfed1
GWG: yup, everyone is until they explicitly update their links
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GWG
snarfed, is this issue filing territory?
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snarfed
GWG: no. thanks though!
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GWG
I meant docs in general. I am trying to figure out how to get the output I want, so I was reading that section closely.
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GWG
snarfed, not counting my own itches, I get issues filed if the plugin doesn't work well for others. Trying to scope out both.
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snarfed
GWG: cool. feel free to file anything you want!
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GWG
snarfed, problem is that Bridgy uses microformats and for WordPress, that isn't a plugin domain.
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GWG
So I have to tread carefully.
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ChrisAldrich
GWG: Sorry I missed you last night, a small monkey "woke up" my computer when I wasn't around.
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ben_thatmustbeme
cweiske: yes
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GWG
People's computers often do that, which is why I often don't say hi
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cweiske
ben_thatmustbeme, but form field names and URL parameter names don't match as it seems
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ben_thatmustbeme
cweiske: nope, PR welcome, i suppose. I don't really use that endpoint anymore, I tend to just use mobilepub https://github.com/dissolve/postly/blob/master/controller/micropub/client.php
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ChrisAldrich
GWG: It's okay, I'll see it eventually and tip my hat back.
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ChrisAldrich
GWG I banged on your twitter fix on post kinds yesterday and it seems to work as expected.
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ChrisAldrich
I'm setting up a fresh WordPress install to hack on / demo tonight at HWC. I think we'll have at least a few WP folks there.
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@gRegorLove
Hey, Bellingham, want to work on your personal website? Come out to Homebrew Website Club August 10 @WoodsCoffee! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-10-homebrew-website-club
(twitter.com/_/status/758415108171190272)
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tantek
aaronpk, to figure out "what problem to solve" for albums, e.g. for representing them in mf2, there needs to first be a "what is the UI / presentation we are solving for" documented perhaps at least as a brainstorm, e.g. on /album#Brainstorming that distinguishes it from a /collection
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aaronpk
there is a lot more prior art around albums than there are around collections
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tantek
that doesn't make sense as albums are just a special case of collections
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aaronpk
what is a collection?
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Loqi
A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collection
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aaronpk
only silo example is storify
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aaronpk
but there are a million sites that let you publish photo albums
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tantek
huh? that doesn't refute my statement
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tantek
all silo photo album examples are also silo collection examples
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aaronpk
i'm saying i think the inverse is the case. there needs to be more brainstorming around collections to differentiate them from albums.
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aaronpk
cause there are way more examples of albums
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tantek
not on the wiki
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tantek
the /collection page is more thorough currently
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tantek
each has one silo example
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tantek
each could do with more documented prior art
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tantek
and more brainstorming
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tantek
point stands. need more UI/presentation brainstorming to make progress on these types of posts
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calumryan
made some changes at HWC tonight to meta tags for webmentions on my notes section. They should now have the correct URL point should anyone try sending a response
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calumryan
We’ve a provisional date for the next London HWC
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calumryan
This should be 2016/08/24
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@kevinmarks
“to make sense of the economic world around me, I have found nothing as reliably good as the blogosphere” http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e460ba78-5379-11e6-9664-e0bdc13c3bef.html #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/758446363059245056)
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[kevinmarks]
Pinterest is prior art, and presumably pinboard too
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tantek
you know the drill ;)
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tantek
pinboard is more bookmarking though right?
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tantek
Pinterest with their "boards" definitely do look like collections
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