#indieweb 2016-08-24
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@kevinmarks @bthdonohue @InstapaperHelp you're invited to http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2 this weekend to hack on import/export with the #indieweb crew (twitter.com/_/status/768243222279749632)
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@GlennRicePro @ChrisAldrich Have you tried Wallabag? I moved to it almost a year ago and never looked back. Works great. #indieweb #instapaper (twitter.com/_/status/768400646496059392)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Wallabag" yet. Would you like to create it?
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# Loqi [indieweb] "What if I told you,
what @anildash lost*
the #indieweb has rebuilt?
Find it @IndieWebCamp NYC this weekend: http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2
And join us in rebuilding the independent web.
* http://indieweb.org/lost_infrastructure" on 2016-08-24 http://tantek.com/2016/237/t1/indieweb-rebuilt-it-join-us
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@t What if I told you, what @anildash lost* the #indieweb has rebuilt? Find it @IndieWebCamp NYC this weekend: http://tantek.com/2016/237/t1/indieweb-rebuilt-it-join-us (twitter.com/_/status/768406303756591104)
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@oliverg .@SwieSchnubb @ennolenze Oder die Indieweb-Leute um @kevinmarks +1 ,) (twitter.com/_/status/768406943589281792)
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@matunixe Ceci est un test de syndication vers Twitter. #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/768409705026818048)
# @t Thanks @petermolnar for the memeing. #lost #infrastructure #socialmedia #indieweb #rebuilt… http://tantek.com/2016/237/t2/lost-infrastructure-socialmedia-indieweb https://twitter.com/t/status/768410197853212672/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/768410197853212672)
# Loqi [indieweb] "Thanks @petermolnar for the memeing.
#lost #infrastructure #socialmedia #indieweb #rebuilt
#harder #better #stronger #faster
(Working on making that #easier instead of harder)" on 2016-08-24 http://tantek.com/2016/237/t2/lost-infrastructure-socialmedia-indieweb
# @matunixe Actually testing syndication with Twitter. Huge thanks to @cmal_PP who help me to deal with @withknown. #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/768412251606900736)
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@PetraGregorova Sadly I can’t make it to @IndieWebCamp NYC this weekend but if you can, you can find out more about it at http://tantek.com/2016/237/t1/indieweb-rebuilt-it-join-us (twitter.com/_/status/768435828909420544)
# @PetraGregorova Sadly I can’t make it to @IndieWebCamp NYC this weekend but if you can, you can find out more about it at http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2 (twitter.com/_/status/768436578590920705)
# Loqi [indieweb] "What Is the Decentralized Web? 24 Experts Break it Down" by Mackenzie Polzin on 2016-08-24 http://infospace.ischool.syr.edu/2016/08/24/decentralized-web-experts/
# Loqi [indieweb] "What Is the Decentralized Web? 24 Experts Break it Down" by Mackenzie Polzin on 2016-08-24 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ischoolsu/infospace/~3/gwoIHgH-7xk/
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@uranther @eksith check out @indiewebcamp and that's exactly the idea - you own your content. (twitter.com/_/status/768444027796656128)
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# @uranther @eksith @indiewebcamp Still working on my making my website the awesome. I believe I can login with IndieAuth now which is cool (twitter.com/_/status/768444975260598272)
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@kongaloosh Are there any #indieweb people in #yeg? Are there any local meetups? (http://kongaloosh.com/e/2016/8/24/are-there-any-indieweb-people-in-yeg-are-there-any-local-meetups) (twitter.com/_/status/768453524891906048)
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Kongaloosh ^ that
# Kongaloosh YEG is Edmonton, Alberta
# Kongaloosh Canadian often use airport codes
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sneanias Because obviously, Kongaloosh
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# sneanias Kongaloosh: Je Maple Leafs best team
# Kongaloosh sneanias: I thought we agreed it was the orcas?
# sneanias What about the Horny Devils?
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# Kongaloosh sneanias: you're right, they're the best.
# Kongaloosh GWG, aaronpk: I find it's the best way since it condenses names into three letters.
# Kongaloosh GWG: Hah. personally, I read the safety cards.
# Kongaloosh rascul: or a net
# Kongaloosh TSA is an interesting thing. IIRC they often fail when tested.
# Kongaloosh a less annoying version of this is lighting
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# Kongaloosh adding lighting to parkades and making the elevators more visible from open spaces improves people's feeling of security
# Kongaloosh which I think is interesting
# sneanias Kongaloosh: but what if I don't have an airport nearby?
# sneanias Anything near me is leftover airstrips from WWII
# Kongaloosh sneanias: obv you need a landingstrip in your back-yard
# Kongaloosh same
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gRegorLove I think once the Slack bridge is going both ways again, we'll move it so #chat on Slack => #indieweb-chat on IRC.
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rMdes something is strange with Known and Indiepub, when I log in to https://woodwind.xyz/ with my domain I do find the list of indie blogs I'm following
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ChrisAldrich rMdes I've had that same issue too with woodwind.xyz
# ChrisAldrich I want to say maybe I'd seen it with something else like OwnYourGram too, but it's been a while
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# rMdes cmal : are you sure your known site config is not set to "single user" ? http://imgur.com/4APqcMQ
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# ChrisAldrich Is it the case that one can have a single user account that's private, but with other user accounts so they can log in and access the content, but not necessarily post?
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# ChrisAldrich rMdes, can one syndicate from one Known site to another? Has anyone done that?
# rMdes ChrisAldrich, https://github.com/mapkyca/KnownKnown
# rMdes most up to date list of plugins for Known is here : http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/
# ChrisAldrich I feel like "we" should set up a group Known site for multiple Indieweb users to contribute/syndicate to. It would be a more interesting way to dogfood Known instead of using a google user group/page for dev...
# ChrisAldrich rMdes: I hadn't seen that one, but knew about the list. In fact I did a PR to add something to it a few weeks back.
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# ChrisAldrich I think half the stuff you and I post to our known accounts are Known related.
# cmal ChrisAldrich: how about Indienews? https://news.indieweb.org/
# cmal I just opened an issue about Indieauth on multi-user Known : https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1499
# ChrisAldrich I think of Indienews as a higher level of editorial content... some of what I'm talking about would dilute the signal and only be of interest to known users
# ChrisAldrich the Indiesyndicate plugin helps to do that, though I've still yet to get it working on my known site
# Loqi Woodwind is a minimalist open source indie reader by https://kylewm.com/photo.jpgKyle Mahan https://indieweb.org/Woodwind
# ChrisAldrich rMdes, it may be the case that someone bookmarked your post and webmentioned news.indieweb on your behalf.
# ChrisAldrich aaronpk jinx
# gRegorLove Yep
# ChrisAldrich rMdes, I had to read it 5 times to understand it, and even then...
# gRegorLove aaronpk: just noticed http://news.indieweb.org redirects to indieweb.org. Works with the https.
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# ChrisAldrich There definitely needs to be a set of instructions for Gen2
# ChrisAldrich It's on my list of things to better document for the next generation
# ChrisAldrich We've got the daily vouch mention out of the way early today... :)
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# ChrisAldrich I noticed that in the last two weeks that Disqus started using Akismet for spam...
# KevinMarks1 Funny, having an article on fastcompany instead of my site means missing out on webmentions
# ChrisAldrich KevinMarks, I've always wondered about a workflow for Journalists so that they could have their own content on their site, "syndicate" it to the bigger publisher that gets all the traffic, but still have a way to get all the webmention traffic sent back to them from that publisher.
# ChrisAldrich having that would certainly have a lot more journalists onboarding indieweb....
# KevinMarks1 the contracts for most of these sites say they have it exclusively
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# KevinMarks1 so it's more that side that would be tricky; some will re-run a post from elsewhere, but a paid article has a different pattern to it
# ChrisAldrich It's similar to academics publishing in major journals, but it's common practice for the authors to practice samizdat and keep a copy for themselves on their own site.
# ChrisAldrich Perhaps journalists should ask to keep a copy on their site 3-6 months after initial publication for themselves. The bigger publisher is generally going to get all the traffic anyway.
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# gRegorLove The /irc-people list is a fine starting point of domains to accept news.indieweb.org posts from too
# KevinMarks1 we talked about something like that with Scott Rosenberg - having a way to post on multiple sites wiht preview of how it would look
# KevinMarks1 also odd ot see the identical tweets because the site's 'tweet this' link has default text in: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fastcompany.com%2F3063060%2Fa-brief-history-of-the-angry-social-network&src=typd&lang=en
# KevinMarks1 the discussion wiht Scott was at Hacks hackers in SF
# gRegorLove snarfed: We could add a page "native webmention spam" with dfn "As of [date] it doesn't exist." :)
# gRegorLove Haha
# ChrisAldrich Additionally if the private/public piece can be overcome in a nice way, journalists could publish to their site privately, but still allow webmentions to attach, so they're getting notifications about the conversation directly to their own "hub" instead of having to rely on watching the publisher's site
# gRegorLove Indieweb Safety and Health Administration (ISHA)
# ChrisAldrich KevinMarks, did that discussion get recorded? or is it just the noterlive session you documented?
# KevinMarks1 just the noterlive I think
# ChrisAldrich KevinMarks, you might appreciate using a Livescribe echo pen (or something similar). It allows recording audio and exporting as .mp3 quickly. Then you could supplement your noterlive sessions with full .mp3 for those that want a deeper dive.
# ChrisAldrich snarfed, you've probably destroyed all my free time for the rest of the year with that comment. ;)
# ChrisAldrich snarfed: I suspect that even private posts could allow access to bridgy and that by having a rel-syndication link could allow most of the magic to happen?
# snarfed obligatory: https://xkcd.com/356/
# ChrisAldrich could the private post do a bridgy publish to notify only bridgy which then stores the url and rel-syndication?
# ChrisAldrich the full content of the post *could* be private but with a notice of the syndication endpoints and the URL should be enough for webmentions to come back to it.
# snarfed some background: https://indieweb.org/private_posts
# snarfed ChrisAldrich: true! you might have the start of a proposal to add to http://indieweb.org/private_posts :P
# ChrisAldrich You're killing me snarfed, but at the end of the day, this is the web I actually want instead of the one I'm stuck with right now.
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# snarfed rMdes: many of these are open questions. feel free to propose ideas on http://indieweb.org/private_posts#IndieWeb_Examples !
# ChrisAldrich Think of it from a network theory approach: the URLs are nodes and the edges are rel-syndications to other URLs. As long as some central hub can see or be notified about where all the nodes and edges are, the communication system should be operable. If you hide either of the nodes or the edges, you'll have problems.
# ChrisAldrich the issue becomes salmentions for really huge networks as the number of nodes expands exponentially.
# gRegorLove aaronpk: I'm interested in prototyping private wm
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# ChrisAldrich snarfed: I was thinking about the bigger case of multiple posts, people, and connected cross conversations.
# ChrisAldrich snarfed: I think you're right, and it's likely the reason that not many have salmentions yet.
# Loqi Salmentions are a protocol extension to Webmention to propagate comments and other interactions upstream by sending a webmention from a response to the original post when the response itself receives a response (comment, like, etc.) https://indieweb.org/Salmentions
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# snarfed rMdes: http://www.salmon-protocol.org/ (enjoy :P)
# gRegorLove nice-to-have, but not a requirement
# snarfed (also https://snarfed.org/2012-07-14_salmon_for_facebook_twitter_and_google_plus , related project of mine before i discovered the indieweb)
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# ChrisAldrich rMdes: If you know (or can remember) all the prior URLs in a conversation, you can add them all in one of your Known posts to which is essentially doing salmention manually.
# gRegorLove Interesting. adactio has a comment from storify.com https://adactio.com/journal/11102#comment36611
# gRegorLove Wonder if that was manual or how it got there.
# ChrisAldrich I also occasionally do what snarf just mentioned as notifying all the interstitial pieces seems overkill and generally they all link back to the original anyway.
# gRegorLove Right, but storify doesn't send wm
# gRegorLove Someone might have used the manual form on the post.
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# Loqi [barryf]: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-15 at 4:31pm UTC: forgot to mention at HWC London - MozFest is coming up (once again in Ravensbourne), submit session/speaking proposals: https://mozillafestival.org/proposals ASAP!
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# ChrisAldrich AngeloGladding You're coming to HWC tonight, right? I'm hoping to make all/part of quiet writing, but will definitely be there for the meeting proper.
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@calum_ryan August HWC London with @barryf #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/768511228817838080/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/768511228817838080)
# Loqi voxpelli: miklb left you a message 19 hours, 51 minutes ago: just starting to look this over, wonder if it could be useful for micropub at some point https://jekyll.github.io/jekyll-admin/
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@pumpkiny “The lost infrastructure of social media.” by @anildash https://medium.com/@anildash/the-lost-infrastructure-of-social-media-d2b95662ccd3#.gx1gmp2tf x-ref #indieweb #openweb (twitter.com/_/status/768518874409021440)
# AngeloGladding ChrisAldrich I'll be there extra early today. See you later.
# Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/hosting
# snarfed obligatory: https://xkcd.com/927/
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# snarfed KevinMarks++ for contributing to bridgy! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/695
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singpolyma snarfed: haha. indieweb *is* an ideology ;)
# snarfed singpolyma: lol. true! ok we try to avoid *other* politics/ideology. https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct#Respect
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tantek per /principles
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "personal cloud" yet. Would you like to create it?
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# KevinMarks1 for some thinking on that, see my svgur.com/dweb demo
# KevinMarks1 (on ways round DNS/domain dependency)
# @kevinmarks #iiw “Personal Cloud” makes me think of Eeyore @dsearls https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJr5I2QCIAAQrLl.png (twitter.com/_/status/331851452953796608)
# @kevinmarks #iiw “Personal Cloud” makes me think of Eeyore @dsearls https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJr5I2QCIAAQrLl.png (twitter.com/_/status/331851452953796608)
# KevinMarks1 er https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/331852328774815744
# @kevinmarks #iiw another “Personal Cloud” advocate - Pigpen from Peanuts @dsearls https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJr5707CUAA9Ju1.png (twitter.com/_/status/331852328774815744)
# KevinMarks1 isn't that what Johannes was working on before?
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# KevinMarks1 no, those are choices on ways to host a website, thats OK
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web services" yet. Would you like to create it?
# KevinMarks1 hosting other aspects of a domain may be worth separate pages, but they end being connected
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web services" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi For reference: WS-Deathstar [1][2][3][4][5], e.g.: https://indieweb.org/WS_Deathstar
# tantek web services are /WS_Deathstar
# cmal also, would it be possible maybe to get https://fr.indieweb.org as a different wiki or should we proceed with appending "-fr" after page names?
# tantek I think getting people up & running with /Getting_Started /building_blocks and /IndieMark will be key
# tantek https://indieweb.org/Main_Page-fr could definitely use an update!
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# ChrisAldrich GWG: I've set up a few test sites in the last month and indiewebified from scratch to improve the WordPress documentation. I have a few knucklehead tweaks to file, but they're unlikely to be noticed by many.
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# m_b hello
# ChrisAldrich Good afternoon m_b!
# ChrisAldrich GWG: I started setting up a new test site for some of your experimental plugins last night.
# ChrisAldrich I've finally decided this morning that I can't fly out to NYC2, but I'll go to DrupalCamp LA instead to stump for IWC LA.
# ChrisAldrich GWG: that's what I had been setting up based on our convo the other day... hopefully I'll find some time to hack on it this weekend.
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# ChrisAldrich wonders if any drupalheads will notice me hacking on WP over the weekend
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# gRegorLove o/ London HWC
# ChrisAldrich GWG: I've never tried it, but can/will a private WordPress post accept trackbacks/pingbacks (assuming that they're turned on)?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "home server" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu do we have examples of people using these things?
# Loqi Indie Box is a combination software and hardware project to make it easy to run indie-style web applications on a personal server, and keep them maintained https://indieweb.org/IndieBox
# gRegorLove From a discovery point of view, /web_hosting is probably better than /DNS. If it makes sense to split off the home server / self-hosting stuff, can put a link to the "Main" page for those on /web_hosting subsections
# KartikPrabhu DNS is deep deep plumbing territory
# gRegorLove Yep
# KartikPrabhu there probably should be another "deep" in that sentence
# gRegorLove Which if you're running a personal cloud on a RasPi, you're probably familiar with, but still
# gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: We have to go deeper. </Inception>
# KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: be careful of Limbo
# gRegorLove cmal: Are you running your site on a home server?
# ChrisAldrich Careful, you're all starting to sound like pure mathematicians talking about set theory...
# m_b haha, you'll terrorize newcomers
# KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich: well I am a theoretical physicist so not that far away
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# KartikPrabhu well, he is a dinosaur what does he know!
# KartikPrabhu which is why all this plumbing talk should probably go to #indiweb-dev
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@sdepolo Join us for #indieweb Homebrew Website club tonight https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-24-homebrew-website-club and learn to #ownYourContent on your domain (twitter.com/_/status/768544507155492864)
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aaronpk okay! http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2 is updated with the list of people who registered through tito now!
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KevinMarks snarfed - do you mean run appengine locally to test brid.gy?
# KevinMarks I can't mint app id's any more, appengine says I've hit my quota
# KevinMarks and deleting old ones doesn't help :(
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@gRegorLove Looking forward to Homebrew Website Club tonight @WoodsCoffee. Join us! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-10-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/768566546020966400)
# gRegorLove Gah, wrong link
# @gRegorLove Looking forward to Homebrew Website Club tonight @WoodsCoffee. Join us! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-24-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/768567101011267584)
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@yuetsu @indiewebcamp @evanpro @susanlangenes Fashion sunglasses activity is only $24.99!http://xyfzq.com/coupon.html https://twitter.com/yuetsu/status/768567725077569536/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/768567725077569536)
# Loqi Free My OAuth is a page designed to help you find who has access to your accounts on various silos https://indieweb.org/FreeMyOAuth
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# KevinMarks installing bridgy locally while on the train tethered to my phone is rather slow
# KevinMarks_ Hm, no dev_appserver
# KevinMarks_ To - dev
# Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on A New Reading Post-type for Bookmarking and Reading Workflow by Glenn Rice" by Glenn Rice on 2016-08-24 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/22/a-new-reading-post-type-for-bookmarking-and-reading-workflow/#comment-31781
# Loqi [indieweb] "By: Glenn Rice" by Glenn Rice on 2016-08-24 https://twitter.com/GlennRicePro/status/768400646496059392
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# @sdepolo @t Any chance you can make #indieweb in SF tonight? If not, maybe in Sept.? Just checking, didn't see your RSVP yet. (twitter.com/_/status/768591774969278464)
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