#indieweb 2016-10-20

2016-10-20 UTC
ChrisAldrich, AngeloGladding, KevinMarks, bear_, thebaer_, gRegorLove and wolftune joined the channel
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KevinMarks
If I were building a demo of a content addressable web, which use case makes most sense to people?
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tantek
solution looking for a use case?
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tantek
how about secure image caches for people icons?
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KevinMarks
1. I have a page with links on. Some have gone away. I look up hashes for them and resolve with content addressing.
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KevinMarks
Oh, that's an interesting one
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KevinMarks
And a problem my site has
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KevinMarks
2. I have connectivity now. I fetch things into my local hash cache so they can be resolved later.
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KevinMarks
A case where there is a lot of reposting of things is good
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KevinMarks
3. I am somewhere with filtered web. I use the URL to hash proxy to find unfiltered sources for things I need
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aaronpk
What is ca3db?
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Loqi
ca3db is a library for permanently storing multiple versions of user avatars found on social networks and websites https://indieweb.org/ca3db
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gRegorLove
Interesting progress bars on https://timowens.io/
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Loqi
13125037_1044037405689675_8752402957478750614_n ...
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KevinMarks
What hash do you use?
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gRegorLove
I'm thinking about contact pages tonight, since mine has been "will be back soon!" over a year
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GWG
What about them?
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KevinMarks
Ah sha256. I could make a sha1 version that fits with what I have
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gRegorLove
Making them.
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gRegorLove
So mine isn't "will be back soon!" anymore :)
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gRegorLove
Whoa, Loqi, what was that?
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Salt
gRegorLove, did you get any wind during the stormpocalypse?
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gRegorLove
Salt: Yeah, up round 50mph gusts
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ChrisAldrich
AngeloGladding... You awake in there?
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Salt
we had a couple, but very tame, especially compared to what was warned
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GWG
ChrisAldrich, AngeloGladding: How are the plans for LA?
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AngeloGladding
im here
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ChrisAldrich
I did a quick count of most of the RSVPs, we're over 25 and climbing. I've been calling larger groups to extend broader invites, so things are going seemingly well.
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ChrisAldrich
Angelo: i'm going to be stuck in traffic. If you want to set up a google hangout/other I can participate remotely so you're not by your lonesome tonight.
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ChrisAldrich
I'm still doing a few things for $$ support/swag, but most of the technical side seems to be under control at the moment.
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GWG
I need to do my Indie RSVP
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ChrisAldrich
I'd be nice to try to arrange something with the Berlin group, but the 9 hour time difference may make doing that difficult.
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ChrisAldrich
I've just realized today that I don't think that the Indie Event Shane did actually accepts incoming webmentions... May have to do a separate one just in case.
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AngeloGladding
i just noticed that as well
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Salt
gRegorLove, wanna volunteer for SeaGL *nudge nudge*
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ChrisAldrich
GWG, I didn't count you in the numbers, so we've got one more! Huzzah.
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ChrisAldrich
Angelo, any activity over there?
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gRegorLove
When is it, Salt?
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Loqi
what
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AngeloGladding
no activity -- keeping an eye out
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ChrisAldrich
Looked like there may have been as many as 4 others.
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AngeloGladding
one just showed
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AngeloGladding
what's your eta?
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GWG
I will do whatever later.
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Salt
gRegorLove, November 11/12
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ChrisAldrich
angelo, I'm stuck with the 'lil tyke tonight, phoning it in is my only option sadly.
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AngeloGladding
oh ok
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ChrisAldrich
Angelo, https://www.meetup.com/Burbank-Coders-Meetup/ invited us all to join them in November. I'll talk to the organizer tomorrow and give them a reciprocal invite as well.
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gRegorLove
Salt: Maybe, I'll check it out.
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ChrisAldrich
I was excited to see that adactio RSVP'd to IWC LA.
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GWG
adactio is coming? I've always wanted to meet adactio.
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GWG
checks another IWC member off his list
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ChrisAldrich
Me too...
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GWG
I feel like I should make a Bingo card.
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ChrisAldrich
#IndieWebBingo
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gRegorLove
Aw man, now I gotta come :)
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GWG
gRegorLove: If you come to LA, my offer still stands.
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ChrisAldrich
B15: gRegorLove
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Loqi
rofl
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gRegorLove
I wish, but don't think I can. Need to figure out holiday travel plans.
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GWG
ChrisAldrich: Where am I on the Bingo card?
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gRegorLove
The free space for indieweb bingo is the word "silo"
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ChrisAldrich
GWG: in the G column naturally. Maybe 62?
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GWG
ChrisAldrich: Okay.
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ChrisAldrich
What is IndieWeb Bingo?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Bingo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ChrisAldrich
Take it away GWG... ;)
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gRegorLove
Heh. That could be a mixer game. Bingo cards with attendees names.
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GWG
IndieWeb Bingo is a game played by IndieWebCamp attendees to see how many community members they can meet.
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ChrisAldrich
angelogladding: don't forget to get a photo...
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AngeloGladding
KevinMarks++
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Loqi
kevinmarks has 254 karma (200 in this channel)
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AngeloGladding
for front page HN w/ a quality post on accessibility -- https://backchannel.com/how-the-web-became-unreadable-a781ddc711b6
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AngeloGladding
solarized++
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Loqi
solarized has 1 karma
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AngeloGladding
for a designer doing it right
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KevinMarks
Oh boy, do I need to go to hn and read comments?
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AngeloGladding
heh you're good -- hard to disagree w/ your post -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12743628
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KevinMarks
Well, they found ways to agree with it that are wrong and foolish. I don't want a war on designers
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AngeloGladding
not too many designers on HN so I'm not surprised
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AngeloGladding
and not too many designers gernerally consider web accessibility
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AngeloGladding
not to be hyperbolic but it's pretty sad
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AngeloGladding
so thank you for getting a conversation going
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AngeloGladding
KevinMarks are you familiar w/ http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized ?
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[kevinmarks]
Someone else mentioned that. I find it too low contrast myself
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[kevinmarks]
Especially on mobile
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[kevinmarks]
But it may make sense on a fancy desktop monitor.
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AngeloGladding
4.7:1 default, 5.6:1 emphasized text
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AngeloGladding
so not even 7:1
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AngeloGladding
the bigger factor for me is black on white while browsing at night
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cweiske
android has a "invert colors" setting for that
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AngeloGladding
have you had success w/ that feature in general?
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AngeloGladding
i believe opera pioneered that tech many years ago but frankly even white on black bothers me
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cweiske
I don't use it
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strugee
am I the only one seeing pin13 on https://webmention.io/?
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cweiske
probably.
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strugee
nvm, fixed
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@githubstatus
We are investigating intermittent connection issues to https://t.co/IEoI8IWMw9.
(twitter.com/_/status/789001978022166528)
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Loqi
We are investigating intermittent connection issues to GitHub.com. https://status.github.com/
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@jkphl
⌛ Finally ordering the @indiewebcamp hoodies in ~1 hr. If you're quick, you still have a (very last) chance ☞ https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23IndieWebCamp_Hoodies
(twitter.com/_/status/789011226756022272)
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@Moturoais
Made a film and wondering what to do with it? How about putting it on the INC ch. on #Roku / #RokuUK ? #indie #indiefilm #indieweb #fanfilm
(twitter.com/_/status/789064959552397312)
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sl007
aaronpk - also interesting what's coming up "It's a standards-track proposal at the W3C that gives developers programmatic access to a browser's credential manager and helps users sign in more easily." https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/04/credential-management-api and https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/18GCUKT3X0A9BQRSJljXKo2ucCsIWPHFplBKZg1Ve3_s/preview?hl=de&forcehl=1&slide=id.g16c14f1065_0_0
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sl007
!tell webrocker Do you attend IndieWebCamp Berlin ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning #indieweb!
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aaronpk
morning!
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aaronpk
sl007: interesting, although I don't see how that helps with federation. it looks like it's basically a JS API to use the password manager
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sl007
aaronpk: While I also did not understand what the presentation means by "Stores federated account selections" I thought maybe we could store the me-URL in the browser instead of a username - but I did not find the time to look into it. btw: Just bought nice name badges, sticky notes, pens and sweets for Berlin ;)
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aaronpk
i'll keep looking into it
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sknebel
sl007: all other preparations also running nicely/anything you need help with?
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sl007
sknebel: well, for the moment it's easygoing
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sknebel
sl007++ nice to hear
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Loqi
sl007 has 2 karma
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sl007
sknebel + + whatever karma means
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sl007
aaronpk: Based on redaktor's default CSS template I made static pages for the views of IndieAuth-node - just the first two pages are done - however - sneak preview : https://redaktor.circinus.uberspace.de/indieAuth
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aaronpk
oh wow you're making a whole indieauth.com clone?
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aaronpk
very cool
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sl007
yes, I mean basically I like "old school styles". Trying to make it timeless :)
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sl007
In general I like the idea of shipping such a site with the code. Helps the author to keep both in sync and helps the user with docs.
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sl007
[off topic, regarding SSL]: really wondering there are no english reports about commodo, the certificate vendor / authority. They used OCR to scrape the mail from WHOIS but the OCR had reproducible faults and clever guys managed to get SSL certs. for foreign sites, german report: http://m.heise.de/security/meldung/Zertifikats-Klau-Fatale-Sehschwaeche-bei-Comodo-3354229.html
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sl007
aaronpk: Clone will differ in some points, e.g. I plan to make REDIS optional because I think it would be a barrier to install on some "mass hosters" - I mean it is not as important for self hosting than for a page like indieauth.com (?) and it would differ in the sinatra vs. express parts …
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aaronpk
i meant functionally a clone, backend tech isn't really relevant to the user experience
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sl007
The <progress> is cool. Working it out now ...
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aaronpk
yeah the progress bar I added shortly after I launched it without that. before, it would do all the checks synchronously so the page just took forever to load.
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aaronpk
I (think I) support receiving private webmentions now!
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aaronpk
took a bit of work to make that work all the way through all the parts involved in my setup
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aaronpk
so if someone wants to send me a private webmention I would appreciate it! you can comment on a post and you won't see the comment but the comment count will go up
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ben_thatmustbeme
cool, i want to work on that soon too
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gRegorLove
Good afternoon, indieweb
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aaronpk
good afternoon!
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aaronpk
gRegorLove: want to try sending me a private webmention?
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gRegorLove
To a specific post aaronpk?
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aaronpk
my latest one is about that so maybe that one
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aaronpk
hmm something didn't work
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aaronpk
it looks like it fetched the page and then didn't find a link to my post
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gRegorLove
it's my older reply-context format, so maybe something's off there
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aaronpk
my first check doesn't even parse mf2 so it should find that. can you try again? i have a debug line now.
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gRegorLove
Discovered just now that my reply-context author parsing doesn't handle yours, so used the old version, just the link :)
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aaronpk
okay yeah it definitely got the access token this time
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@schmarty
Excited that I can now more easily post events to my own website from https://t.co/zYneaP03Md. #indieweb #micropub https://twitter.com/schmarty/status/789200443008135168/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/789200443008135168)
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gRegorLove
Did my endpoint not return the authorization code the first time?
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aaronpk
i'm sure it did. i think it's something wrong with webmention.io -> xray
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aaronpk
gRegorLove: looks like the authentication to your post isn't working
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aaronpk
i get an HTTP 200 OK from the post when there's no access token. that should return HTTP 401 for starters.
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aaronpk
but even when i include the access token I get the same response. I'm sending "Authorization: Bearer xxxxx"
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@ChrisAldrich
I just noticed this subtle comment hiding in the source of my @WithKnown powered site: "To silo is human, to syndicate divine." #IndieWeb
(twitter.com/_/status/789215756751822848)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "I just noticed this subtle comment hiding in the source of my @WithKnown powered site: "To silo is human, to syndicate divine." #IndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-20 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/i-just-noticed-this-subtle-comment-hiding-in-the-source
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@scott_gruber
I’m looking forward to the upcoming @indiewebcamp here in Los Angeles. If you’re interested to attend here is link https://indieweb.org/2016/LA
(twitter.com/_/status/789233944625459200)
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KevinMarks1
hm someone added a strobing svg to svgur.com - I noe need another 55 uploads so it's off the front page
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tantek
KevinMarks: uh oh is that strobing at 6-8 Hz?
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bear
that is making my eyes hurt
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tantek
KevinMarks: sounds like you need a moderation UI for svgur.com as well as a "NIPSA" setting per photo or user
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tantek
what is moderation?
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Loqi
Moderation is the process of holding comments for review by a human, and sometimes a source of frustration when a comment is written on another site that the commenter has no control over https://indieweb.org/moderation
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tantek
what is NIPSA?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "NIPSA" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek
NIPSA is an acronym for Not In Public Site Areas, and an admin feature of [[Flickr]] that allows their support staff to mark an account such that posts from it will not be shown in search results and other similar public views of posts.
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tantek
looks for a better citation than Quora
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN14242.html" to the "See Also" section of /NIPSA
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