#indiewebcamp

2017-01-12

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Zegnat
Good morning indieweb!
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Loqi
[indieweb] "The Website Obesity Crisis" on 2016-01-03 https://voxpelli.com/links/2016/01/the-website-obesity-crisis/
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voxpelli
thanks Loqi :/
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voxpelli
Zegnat: morning!
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Loqi
you're welcome, voxpelli
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Zegnat
anything indieweb on the agenda today, voxpelli?
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voxpelli
Zegnat: nope, just work, work and some more work – and no indiewebby features at work yet at least
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tantek
!tell sebsel I used the form on your permalink to resend a webmention and looks like my RSVP "no" sorta showed up: https://seblog.nl/2017/01/11/1/homebrew-website-club - except no icon for me!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club
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tantek
!tell kevinmarks,adactio,chrisaldrich got a photo from HWC to add to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Photos ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sebsel
Morning indieweb :)
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Loqi
sebsel: tantek left you a message 46 minutes ago: I used the form on your permalink to resend a webmention and looks like my RSVP "no" sorta showed up: https://seblog.nl/2017/01/11/1/homebrew-website-club - except no icon for me!
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sebsel
tantek I see an icon now! My server fetches it when it hasn't seen it yet. I should provide a better fallback for that tho!
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j4y_funabashi
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[jeremycherfas]
Good morning. (Not sure why I’m bothering as all I seem to do here is lurk.)
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@kevinmarks
Notes from Homebrew Website Club SF last night at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2017-01-11.html #indieweb (twtr.io/1MK61_PkZ0o)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Notes from Homebrew Website Club SF last night at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2017-01-11.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-12 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/notes-from-homebrew-website-club-sf-last-night-at-hwc2017-01-11html
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-01-11" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2017-01-11.html
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@mchaste
@dannycalders nou… https://indieweb.org/2017/D%25C3%25BCsseldorf (twtr.io/1MKFBSdE8vU)
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cweiske
/me successfully used https://micropublish.net to post to commentpara.de
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[barryf]
Woo! That's great to hear, cweiske!
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[barryf]
Did you have any issues getting it to work?
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cweiske
no
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cweiske
https://commentpara.de/comment/78.htm
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Loqi
[Anonymous] Like #78 Anonymous likes https://micropublish.net/.
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cweiske
https://commentpara.de/comment/77.htm
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Loqi
[Anonymous] Oh really?!
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@diplix
@schmdlr das ist genau was mich desinteressiert — und auch meinem verständnis vom indieweb widerspricht. als option: ok. nur gehostet? nö. (twtr.io/1MKVUwTCHd8)
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@voxpelli
@gozala Like what eg. has been done with much more difficult to prototype https://indieweb.org/webactions within @indiewebcamp (twtr.io/1MKdWQKEV2w)
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tantek
Thanks sebsel I see the icon now. Do you know the latency?
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sebsel
The latency of what?
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sebsel
what is latency?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "latency" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10YE
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tantek
the icon showing up
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sebsel
(that's also a honest question: I don't know)
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sebsel
Ah it was a bug on my side too, because I do get the img sync. It was there when the page loaded.
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sebsel
it just had already checked if the img was present (which it was not, so it fetched) and then it cached that bool. :/
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tantek
/me tries to think of a user-friendly dfn for latency
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tantek
sebsel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_(engineering) has a decent generic defintion, I'll try to word something more specific / user-centric for indieweb
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sebsel
Ah, so in the context of a server, it's the time between the request and the response.
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tantek
latency is the amount of time between when an action is taken (like when a user clicks a link) and the result is seen (like when a browser displays the page), on the indieweb, latency may apply to how quickly a site loads and displays, a site shows a post after a user clicks publish, a site shows a [[comment]] after receiving a [[Webmention]] for a [[reply]].
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Loqi
ok
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tantek
what is latency?
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Loqi
latency is the amount of time between when an action is taken (like when a user clicks a link) and the result is seen (like when a browser displays the page), on the indieweb, latency may apply to how quickly a site loads and displays, a site shows a post after a user clicks publish, a site shows a comment after receiving a Webmention for a reply https://indieweb.org/latency
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tantek
sebsel ^^^ how's that?
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sebsel
oh nice :D
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@IgnaciodeNuevo
After the experience of @indiewebcamp I would like to host an IndieWeb event in @os_weekends What do you think about doing it in August? (twtr.io/1MKgp8zYVN8)
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sebsel
yeah, that last part too ofcourse, the time between mention and comment show. On my site it should be 0, but it adds to the pageload, so that's probably no good too.
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Zegnat
Just spotted Facebook now puts in the message “This comment will also be posted to www.example.com.” with textboxes commenting on external articles
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Zegnat
Facebook is POSSE:ing?
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aaronpk
whoa. is that if the article uses facebook comments?
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@sdepolo
@aaronpk Sorry you couldn't make it to indieWeb - hope you make another. Check out the live video we did with… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/819604305413976064 (twtr.io/1MKhjhUbZM4)
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tantek
performance << [[latency]]
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[latency]]" to the "See Also" section of /performance
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tantek
hmm that worked but I'm not seeing Loqi's responses in my IRC client
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@libertymadison
OMG This is THE BEST! Birthday the #SiliconValley way. How #ThatTechGirl says #HappyBirthday at #indieweb @GoDaddy https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/819604305413976064 (twtr.io/1MKiYmw4rGJ)
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bear
if your into gathering nifty domains, the person behind GliderLabs is having a domain auction -- http://progrium.com/blog/2017/01/11/domain-auction/
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tantek
hah Jeff
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tantek
"spending nearly $400/mo" oh my goodness
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tantek
all of a sudden I feel less bad for my domain "collection"
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bear
yes, the list of domains he collects is impressive
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tantek
/me notices indieware.com
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tantek
progrium++ for openly sharing his list of domains he's willing to depart with
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Loqi
progrium has 1 karma
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tantek
s/depart/part
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tantek
uh, why is his own personal domain on that list? progrium.com
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tantek
also http://www.webhooks.org/ is a community I thought
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tantek
ah ok "These are ALL my domains, including ones in use. Some are not intended to be auctioned"
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tantek
phew
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@100daysindieweb
Day 23: Open Sourcing my Timezone Library #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/12/8/day-23-timezone-library (twtr.io/1MKksW9taHL)
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tantek
where are the latest stats on Known deployment? most recent I found was 2015-09-29 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/known-announces-dreamhost-as-exclusive-web-hosting-sponsor "powers tens of thousands of social community sites"
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Loqi
Known Announces DreamHost as Exclusive Web Hosting Sponsor 3 min read SAN FRANCISCO, September 29, 2015 – Known, an open source publishing platform used to empower both i...
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@libertymadison
#ThatTechGirl Take Over: #GoDaddy! @godaddy + #indieweb! Thanks for the awesome nerd fest + tour @sdepolohttps://twitter.com/i/web/status/819615095789527040 (twtr.io/1MKmayzJvHL)
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@evanwolf
@kevinmarks Go-to registrars these days? Any particularly indieweb friendly? (twtr.io/1MKoCLSNkkb)
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aaronpk
the juxtaposition of those two tweets are hilarious :)
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@aaronpk
@evanwolf @kevinmarks Well @godaddy has been hosting the Homebrew Website Club meetups! That's pretty #indieweb friendly! (twtr.io/1MKoasZuDyQ)
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@libertymadison
#ThatTechGirl Take Over: #GoDaddy! @godaddy + #indieweb! Thanks for the awesome #nerd fest +… https://www.instagram.com/p/BPLOaQyDJ1e/ (twtr.io/1MKokqeVT2Q)
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KevinMarks_
That's an interesting approach to person tagging - in image data
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Loqi
KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 11 minutes ago: got a photo from HWC to add to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Photos ?
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KevinMarks_
Just did
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@libertymadison
#ThatTechGirl Take Over: #GoDaddy! @godaddy + #indieweb! A #SiliconValley birthday surprise! #Tech SUBSCRIBE to… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/819622001446785024 (twtr.io/1MKp3ziENWQ)
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KevinMarks_
Hm, maybe time to update https://indieweb.org/registrar
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aaronpk
argh i gotta update the twitter search code to use the new tweet length rules
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@brianstorms
"How pleasant for #indieweb" -- African elephants, everywhere https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/819622033227030528 (twtr.io/1MKqJ4avJg4)
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tantek
huh?
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aaronpk
the godaddy ceo scandal
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tantek
what is HWC?
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/hwc
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tantek
No mention of Brussels, but there is https://twitter.com/HwcBrussels
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tantek
Anyone from HWC Brussels around?
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tantek
Hmm Known didn't show my mention on http://stream.withknown.com/2015/known-announces-dreamhost-as-exclusive-web-hosting-sponsor either
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Loqi
Known Announces DreamHost as Exclusive Web Hosting Sponsor 3 min read SAN FRANCISCO, September 29, 2015 – Known, an open source publishing platform used to empower both i...
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: your Atom feed seems to eat up the spaces before and after links
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tantek
KartikPrabhu http://tantek.com/updates.atom looks fine in Firefox. What client are you using?
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KartikPrabhu
intersting shows up wihout spaces on Feedly
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voxpelli
um, conversion of <br /> to space is probably something some clients may not do correctly
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tantek
KartikPrabhu, then Feedly is failing to respect <content type="xhtml" xml:base="http://tantek.com/2017/" xml:space="preserve"> in particular that last attribute, xml:space
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tantek
and if it's not respecting the <br>s then it is failing to respect type="xhtml"
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tantek
feel free to file bugs on Feedly, I'll leave my Atom feed file as is
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KartikPrabhu
it is weird that spacing between non-linked words is ok
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KartikPrabhu
yeah you Atom file by itself looks fine so no need to change it
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@aaronpk
We did it! Webmention is now a @W3C recommendation! Congrats @SocialWebWG and @IndieWebCamp! https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-webmention-20170112/ https://twitter.com/w3c/status/819624363645353985 (twtr.io/1MKsaBDeGG1)
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@jgarber
@aaronpk @w3c @SocialWebWG @indiewebcamp 🎉🎉🎉 (twtr.io/1MKtAPFgZnj)
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voxpelli
Nice to see registrars working on making it simple to set up domains with third party services: https://blog.dnsimple.com/2017/01/dnsimple-platform-developer-preview/
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tantek
what is DNSimple?
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Loqi
https://indieweb.org/DNSimple
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tantek
voxpelli, looks like that page could use an update :)
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voxpelli
tantek: it sure does, not sure how to update it though ;)
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bear
what is dnsimple
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Loqi
https://dnsimple.com is a DNS provider and domain registrar https://indieweb.org/DNSimple
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bear
the dfn was structured wrong
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tantek
voxpelli: also with info like that link
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@sdepolo
@kevinmarks @gundamman Best #indieWeb photo from a @GoDaddy hosted event EVER! @libertymadison... https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/819650997425303552/photo/1 (twtr.io/1MKzRUnFesY)
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Zegnat
tantek, HWC Brussels would be https://ncollig.net/ and https://www.rmendes.net/ - both running Known
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Zegnat
ncollig_ seems to be here
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tantek
that is an amazing photo from HWC SF! https://twitter.com/libertymadison/status/819615095789527040
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@libertymadison
#ThatTechGirl Take Over: #GoDaddy! @godaddy + #indieweb! Thanks for the awesome nerd fest + tour @sdepolo @kevinmarks @gundamman #Tech https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1_bj69UkAAzOEI.jpg (twtr.io/1MKmayzJvHL)
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tantek
libertymadison++
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Loqi
libertymadison has 1 karma
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tantek
liberty++
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Loqi
liberty has 1 karma
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[kevinmarks]
Liberty calling her friend to surprise him with a birthday personal website was great
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tantek
KevinMarks: did you capture video of that?
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tantek
Next: get it on Oprah (And you get a website and you get a website and ...)
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ncollig_
The twitter isn't active yet ;-) but we published the website today (still ongoing work, indiewebification as well) => hwc.brussels
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tantek
ncollig_: that's great!
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ncollig_
We just found a place to have meetings so the first one will happen in the next two months probably
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ncollig_
We'll keep you guys posted as soon as something concrete happens! We're working to try to prepare a nice new movement in Brussels :-)
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tantek
ah great - getting started then
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tantek
ncollig_: could you add Brussels to this list of cities? https://indieweb.org/hwc#Getting_Started_or_Need_Restarting
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tantek
what is a registrar?
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Loqi
A domain name registrar is an organization that will register domain names for you typically for an annual fee https://indieweb.org/registrar
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tantek
aaronpk: is there some way to link to that when people ask about registrars rather than one-offs like https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/819620689514594304 ? and if anything, edit the page to include such info? cc: KevinMarks re: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/819621916671549440
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@aaronpk
@evanwolf @kevinmarks Well @godaddy has been hosting the Homebrew Website Club meetups! That's pretty #indieweb friendly! (twtr.io/1MKoasZuDyQ)
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tantek
what is Hover?
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Loqi
Hover is a domain registrar with good ux and customer service https://indieweb.org/Hover
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tantek
cool
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tantek
Hover << https://twitter.com/hover
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://twitter.com/hover" to the "See Also" section of /Hover
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tantek
what is G Suite?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "G Suite" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10YF
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tantek
KevinMarks ^^^
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tantek
worth capturing at least for your criticism
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tantek
https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/819621916671549440
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@kevinmarks
@aaronpk @evanwolf @GoDaddy is being friendly indeed. I also like @hover for ux, and don't recommend @gsuite any more as it has got crufty (twtr.io/1MKp2AgwRxL)
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ncollig_
I've almost added brussels in the getting started section, but can't correctly display my name as organizer. Can you tell me what I have to type? My user is https://indieweb.org/User:Ncollig.net
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ncollig_
When I type ** Organizer(s): {{Ncollig.net}}, the preview displays Organizer(s): Template:Ncollig.net
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tantek
ncollig_ you have to click that redlink and create the template for you manually
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ncollig_
I've already done that earlier and created my profile, though. Do I have to do that again?
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tantek
template is different from profile
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ncollig_
Ah ok!
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tantek
and you probably just want {{ncollig}}
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tantek
rather than with the .nt
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tantek
er, .net
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ncollig_
Right
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tantek
and take a look at e.g. /Template:t or /Template:aaronpk for examples
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snarfed
huh. how is g suite (nee google apps) related to domain registrars? maybe a mis-autocomplete?
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tantek
snarfed, not sure, KevinMarks was the one who tweeted about them
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ncollig_
tantek, done, Brussels added! We'll keep you posted here!
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tantek
ncollig_: BTW, wiki edits go to #indieweb-dev - also a good place for more dev-specific chats!
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tantek
ncollig++
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Loqi
ncollig has 1 karma
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tantek
also, feel free to put the Twitter for HWC Brussels on the page as well!
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ncollig_
Alright! Thanks! :-)
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tantek
and welcome! Great to see another European HWC!
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tantek
do you know about the IWCs coming up in Nürnberg and Düsseldorf btw?
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ncollig_
I've seen them mentioned, that's all for the moment
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tantek
what are events?
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Loqi
https://indieweb.org/Events
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tantek
hmm
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chrisaldrich
Loqi, any messages about photos I should upload?
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Loqi
chrisaldrich: tantek left you a message 14 hours, 16 minutes ago: got a photo from HWC to add to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Photos ?
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tantek
!tell ncollig check out https://indieweb.org/Events#May !
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@megarush1024
@sarahpressler @joseken @cindy @Twitter Time to get on board with the Indieweb. http://www.indiewebify.me (twtr.io/1MLCaPLL7k5)
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tantek
wow https://twitter.com/joseken/status/819568405200113664
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@joseken
So my wife's Twitter account (@cindy) got suspended for impersonation? She's appealing but so far @Twitter says they aren't restoring it. (twtr.io/1MKVvEWNjuQ)
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GWG
Evening
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KevinMarks_
Domains I registered through the old google.com/a short cut is now g suite and very cumbersome to renew
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KevinMarks_
I should document this with screenshots
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Loqi
agreed.
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aaronpk
whoa they moved the domain registration stuff to g suite tooo?
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KevinMarks_
That's where I am now redirected
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gRegorLove
What's g suite?
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aaronpk
oh my http://blog.app.net/2017/01/12/app-net-is-shutting-down/
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tantek
wow
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tantek
aaronpk: add to Upcoming on /site-deaths?
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aaronpk
done
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KevinMarks_
Anyone looked at https://github.com/google/key-transparency/ yet?
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KevinMarks_
Email addresses at the base
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@sdepolo
Big victory for #indieWeb, woo hoo! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/819631854810562561 (twtr.io/1MLUvwJ1b_A)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Switching back to RSS" by Michael Runcieman on 2017-01-12 https://michael.runcieman.com/2017/switching-back-to-rss
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bignose
do we still love Atom syndication as a standard>
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bignose
do we still love Atom syndication as a standard?
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miklb
/me does
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KartikPrabhu
"we" being?
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KartikPrabhu
what is atom?
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Loqi
Atom is an XML format for publishing feeds that was developed as a more formally specified alternative to RSS https://indieweb.org/Atom
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-01-13.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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KartikPrabhu
what is side-file?
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Loqi
The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indieweb.org/side_file
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KartikPrabhu
also see ^
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aaronpk
the only thing i use atom/rss for is podcast feeds because that's the industry standard for it and unlikely to change. also the only reason i feel comfortable sharing that link is because I have an XSLT file on it so that it actually looks decent when viewed in a browser as opposed to sending people a link to a pile of XML. basically making the XML file the primary content rather than a side file.
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KartikPrabhu
well I generate my Atom from h-feed
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aaronpk
i let granary do that for me :)
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KartikPrabhu
does it do response-contexts?
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aaronpk
no idea. example?
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KartikPrabhu
yeah me is checking
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KartikPrabhu
ooh it does
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KartikPrabhu
https://granary-demo.appspot.com/url?input=html&output=xml&url=https%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com%2Fnotes%2Fre-indiescripter-webmention
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aaronpk
whoa what xml format is that?
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KartikPrabhu
oops sorry
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KartikPrabhu
https://granary-demo.appspot.com/url?input=html&output=atom&url=https%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com%2Fnotes%2Fre-indiescripter-webmention
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KartikPrabhu
does not do response context for Atom
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aaronpk
what would that even look like?
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aaronpk
embedded in the content?
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KartikPrabhu
that is what I was thinking for hfeed2atom
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KartikPrabhu
like append "in reply to <url>" in the content
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aaronpk
i guess that would make sense
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aaronpk
maybe suggest it on the granary repo?
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KartikPrabhu
!tell snarfed: HOw about adding response-contexts to granary h-feed to Atom conversion?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
that way i don't have to write one in hfeed2atom and can also retire it :P
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KevinMarks_
Would a source element work for the reply context? Or is that just for reposts? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4287#section-4.2.11
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KevinMarks_
There was a gdata way of nesting feed within feed, but it wasn't pretty. Microformats in content is probably better
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aaronpk
the real question is whether any readers would do anything with it, since that's really the only reason to publish an atom/rss feed
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tantek
good evening #indieweb
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tantek
kinda surprised aaronpk didn't submit Webmention REC to indienews ;) (reading https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-01-13.html)
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aaronpk
oh yeah good idea
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tantek
Own all your data!
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Webmention is a W3C Recommendation" https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/6052 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/12/29/)
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miklb
w00t
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Loqi
yay!
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miklb
GWG does bridgy publish work with posts done via micropub?
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GWG
miklb, stay tuned
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GWG
I want it to
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miklb
ok. I guess I need to look at the micropub plugin and see if it supports syndicate-to then?
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GWG
It does, there is a filter, but a syndication plugin needs to hook it
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miklb
but on a positive note, I was able to post a micropub note to my new WP site, so that's good progress all things considered
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miklb
thanks. I'll take a stab at it once I have the major bugs in my theme ironed out.
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miklb
I also need to check my mf2 markup before I get too far into that as well
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