#indiewebcamp

2017-03-28

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Loqi
[indieweb] " Growing list of educators & researchers who are using #indieweb. Who am I missing? #HigherEd #edtech #phdchat #DoOO https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/educators-in-indieweb/members " by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-27 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/growing-list-of-educators-researchers-who-are-using-indieweb-who
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@sl007
Wenn "Sagen, was ist" nur noch hinter hohen Facebook Mauern geht ... http://redecentralize.org #spon https://indieweb.org/2017/Düsseldorf @DerSPIEGEL (twtr.io/1Q0jRYZVJw0)
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dgold
omfsm...
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dgold
Pythonista has the python Requests Library...
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dgold
oops, sorry, wrong channel
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[jeremycherfas]
Morning dgold
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dgold
hey jeremy
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@kevinmarks
Day 8: A specification for rel=canonical, by request #100DaysOfIndieWeb: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-8-a-specification-for-relcanonical-by-request-100daysofindieweb (twtr.io/1Q0vb2XVF5b)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Day 8: A specification for rel=canonical, by request #100DaysOfIndieWeb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-28 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-8-a-specification-for-relcanonical-by-request-100daysofindieweb
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[kevinmarks]
This ampit bookmarklet is really handy, especially on mobile.
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@hex_pm
webmentions (0.2.2): A Webmentions (https://indieweb.org/Webmention) module for Elixir https://hex.pm/packages/webmentions (twtr.io/1Q12oHvoYVs)
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@hex_pm
webmentions (0.2.3): A Webmentions (https://indieweb.org/Webmention) module for Elixir https://hex.pm/packages/webmentions (twtr.io/1Q14iCG7z0G)
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[keithjgrant]
Does anybody use any interesting strategies for displaying reposts? 9 times out of 10, it’s usually a twitter retweet (via brid.gy) or someone sharing it with a comment that is simply the title of the post -- so in these cases it makes sense to just show the author name & the url. But that 1/10 times they add a comment which I'd like to display
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[keithjgrant]
But I haven't been able to come up with a good strategy for distinguishing meaningful comments from the others
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[keithjgrant]
(i'm getting my data from wm.io, fwiw)
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dgold
[keithjgrant]: I've never heard of wm.io -- is that a twitter service?
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@hex_pm
webmentions (0.2.4): A Webmentions (https://indieweb.org/Webmention) module for Elixir https://hex.pm/packages/webmentions (twtr.io/1Q15SyYWHb0)
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sknebel
[keithjgrant]: I'd suggest collecting examples, and then trying to come up with a comparison algorithm... something like "if it contains words that are not the original title and are not "repost", then display" or something like that
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sknebel
also, I'm not sure if the repost-with-comment is considered purely a repost or not, e.g. the twitter example on /repost and /reposts all show the "plain" form
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sknebel
dgold: wm.io probably means webmention.io, a webmention receiver service by aaron
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[keithjgrant]
yeah, webmention.io
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[keithjgrant]
quoted tweets sure raise some interesting questions. is it a comment? is it a repost? It seems context-sensitive
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snarfed
[keithjgrant]: well worn question. :P e.g. https://indieweb.org/quotation#Instead_use , https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-03-03#t1488565394477000
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sknebel
I knew I had seen discussion about that ;)
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sknebel
in the case of backfeed from twitter there is of course the issue that retweet is the only tool twitter provides for various use cases
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sknebel
and you see retweets used to provide reply context, as public bookmarks/recommendations ("go read this!"), ...
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miklb_
right, with the WP bridgy publish plugin, a quote tweet can't really be a quote tweet & a reply, so it currently is a quote
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GWG
miklb: How may the Bridgy Public plugin serve you?
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miklb
great except I can't use the retrieve button due to the JS error
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GWG
The whole point of the plugin is to turn artisinally crafted microformats into mass produced tweets.
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GWG
miklb: I have to figure that one out. I have a working theory, but I need to learn more JS.
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GWG
The extent of my JS is a fill in the blanks sort of thing.
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miklb
same
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miklb
the reason I suggested the https issue is that I don't get that on my dev install locally
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GWG
Basically, all the JS code does is request an object from the PHP code and set form fields based on it.
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GWG
My likely solution is to delve into that a bit. Also, I do have redesign on that area I want to do, to allow an autofill when triggered by Micropub and such
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miklb
if i get time, I'll try to see if I can do some deeper debugging on my live site. Juggling a few things at the moment.
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tantek
/me listens in on the quote vs reply conversation
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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Loqi
gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 1 day ago: HWC Bellingham next week? (first Wednesday of the month)
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tantek
/me catches up on last night's logs
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tantek
not sure about the use-cases for sending a webmention with a source URL with a fragment
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tantek
also not sure how it would make the most sense to display them etc.
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tantek
smells like a solution looking for a problem, or plumbing looking for a use-case
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aaronpk
really? I thought the example of time offset for a podcast was pretty useful
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tantek
oops I meant source URL with a fragment into *text*
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tantek
mediafragments make sense yes for that use-case
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tantek
I think aaronpk's concern about "would look like duplicates" is a good example
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tantek
er, good real problem that could drive design
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tantek
another UI challenge
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tantek
right now when a post shows "Mentions" (beyond specific comments, likes etc.)
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tantek
if a user clicks on one of those mentions links to go to the original, if it's a small note it works fine (the mention in context is likely obvious), but if the original response is long text, perhaps an article with sections and subheadings, and LOTS of mentions, then the context of the mention is lost / difficult to find
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@egoexpress
Switched my @withknown site https://known.stierand.org to use the current dev version from Github. Now for some plugin debugging. #indieweb (twtr.io/1Q1Zr4_1yBC)
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tantek
now what if that long article mentions a post multiple times? e.g. in multiple sections?
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tantek
if the "mentions" section of that post were to only link to the whole article, or to just one of the specific fragments, then the fact that the article mentioned a post multiple times would be lost
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tantek
so to back that up a step into a how question:
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tantek
if an article mentions another post multiple times, what would the author of that original post want to display?
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tantek
(or a what question rather)
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tantek
one thought: if an article linked to one of my posts in multiple contexts, it would be nice to be able to indicate that on *my* post, e.g. in such a Mentions section:
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tantek
* Article Name (^1, ^2, ^3)
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tantek
where Article Name would link to the whole article, and the ^n links would link to fragments of the paragraph or section of the specific mentions of my post
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tantek
Ideally that's what I'd like to show on my original post from a presentation perspective
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tantek
and I think such a design could also address aaronpk's concern of "would look like duplicates" - as I too would only want "Article Name" to be listed *once* in my mentions
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tantek
(no matter how many times it links to my post)
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tantek
(hence the ^1... ^n parenthetical links to potentially list the specific mentions in context for easier navigation / discoverability)
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tantek
like you might see in a traditional print book Index at the end, Some Topic, p. 17, 23, 58
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tantek
the Index is both saying "Some Topic" is mentioned in the book, and the specific page numbers where it was mentioned (so you can go look at just those specific pages instead of having to search the whole book for the mention)
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tantek
mentions*
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Indieweb Quote of the Day: Vladimir Bukovsky On Samizdat" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-28 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/28/indieweb-quote-of-the-day-vladimir-bukovsky-on-samizdat/
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@ChrisAldrich
#Indieweb Quote of the Day: V. Bukovsky narrowly defines Samizdat, Russian word that translates as self-published http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/28/indieweb-quote-of-the-day-vladimir-bukovsky-on-samizdat/ (twtr.io/1Q1aLmtkZ9M)
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tantek
!tell KartikPrabhu one possible use-case for SOURCE URLs with fragments, curious what you think: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-03-28#t1490725161795000
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[tantek] right now when a post shows "Mentions" (beyond specific comments, likes etc.)
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[dgold]
If posting a reply-to to a website via webmention, and additionally POSSEing that response to silos, how should one contextualise the POSSEd elements?
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[dgold]
Or, indeed, should one POSSE the reply at all?
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tantek
dgold, glad you asked. lots of prior work on this. short answer yes, one should, and thread in that silo accordingly. longer answer, e.g. for @-replies: https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_Replies_to_Twitter
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[dgold]
Thanks tantek, I was thinking also about a reply to (from personal experience today) a persons Known instance. I POSSEd that response to silos (twitter and pnut)
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[dgold]
My reply post is here, it links to the two silos:
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[dgold]
https://hylozoist.ascraeus.org/2017/best-of-luck-with-that-bjorn-if-you-get-some
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Loqi
[Daniel Goldsmith] Best of luck with that Bjorn; if you get some headway with the reactions plugin, I can think of a number of people who'd be interested
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[dgold]
The twitter post gives context (because the Idno people are awesome) extracted from the known post I was replying to.
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[dgold]
The pnut post, on the contrary (does not)
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aaronpk
by "context" you mean the full contents of your post?
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aaronpk
on twitter, the twitter card?
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tantek
on twitter I'd presume the tweet thread as context
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tantek
as the original reply context we modeled :)
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aaronpk
ah, the reply context
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aaronpk
I wouldn't have POSSE'd that to pnut
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[dgold]
Yeah, I can see that now
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[dgold]
To be honest, I just wanted to see that my plugin was posseing replies to pnut at all
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[dgold]
Which got me started on thinking about this.
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tantek
what is pnut?
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Loqi
pnut is a short-messaging social network silo in which messages have a limited length, and you can follow folks, and be followed by folks https://indieweb.org/pnut
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gRegorLove
Hah, I thought at first pnut was someone's handle
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gRegorLove
Interesting they're using Patreon to fund development.
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gRegorLove
What is Patreon?
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Loqi
Patreon is a crowd-based, recurring funding site to support and pay content creators https://indieweb.org/Patreon
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gRegorLove
[dgold]: Have you (or anyone) suggested they add mf2 to pnut?
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tantek
that is interesting, since it's an ongoing payment model instead of just one-time like kickstarter
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gRegorLove
Also "When you invite someone, they are associated with you in the user tree and you may be responsible for them if they abuse the network."
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tantek
yes that's clever
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aaronpk
heh, it's like the opposite of the viral growth pattern of web 2.0
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tantek
gmail was invite only beta for a while
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tantek
I think they used that in security recovery!
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bear
but am I also now beholden to anyone below the people i've invited? how many layers down the tree am I responsible for?
(or join via IRC, Matrix, or Slack)