#indieweb 2017-04-19
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@Moturoais #indiefilm tip: ABA =Always Be Advertising. Let ppl know both the format and who has your film. #indie #film #indieweb #indiedoc (twitter.com/_/status/854506616133234688)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on @Mentions from Twitter to My Website by Srikanth Perinkulam" by Srikanth Perinkulam on 2017-04-19 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/15/mentions-from-twitter-to-my-website/#comment-34476
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[cleverdevil] waves
# [cleverdevil] Evening, folks.
# [cleverdevil] Making nice progress tonight on an "On This Day" feature for my Known site.
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@NIVavilov hey @EatPodcast I just want to check that you are receiving mentions. #indieweb FTW. (twitter.com/_/status/854580479202340864)
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@voxpelli @persand Känns som det är lätt att komma igång med IndieWeb även utan projektpengar :) Ger gärna en intro en dag om du vill! (twitter.com/_/status/854599363397603328)
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[kevinmarks] Me
# [kevinmarks] Where are you tantek?
# Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. #100DoPP d89:
Cherry blossoms, Tokyo style, backed by a skyscraper under construction.
Photo taken Tuesday, Japan time.
#cherryblossoms #flowers #spring #skyscraper #building #underconstruction #Tamachi #Tokyo #Japan #lookup #latergram #nofil... https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/476_hK7LFUdlNLV2bu1VudO5bytPcskPE1gzsAb1E9cXdAo.jpg
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# [kevinmarks] Oh, the other 8 hours
# [kevinmarks] The land of many mastodon instances
# [kevinmarks] Hit the random button on unmung.com/mastoview à few times
# Loqi IndieWeb Summit is on 2017-06-24 https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Summit
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# [kevinmarks] If woodwind.xyz isn't coming back i may morph my mastodon thing into a feed reader
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# Loqi sebsel: tantek left you a message 2 weeks, 6 days ago: hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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sebsel snarfed is not around, I see, so made it an issue https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/745
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# [kevinmarks] What is contact?
# Loqi communication in the context of the indieweb refers to using your personal website as a starting point and potentially way for people to contact you https://indieweb.org/contact
# Loqi ok, I added "https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2017/04/whatever-happened-to-uri-schemes/" to the "See Also" section of /communication
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@kevinmarks @edent Some discussions here https://indieweb.org/communication tantek did work on this previously http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication (twitter.com/_/status/854662748134932481)
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# [kevinmarks] what is webfinger?
# [kevinmarks] is loqi napping?
# Loqi WebFinger is a discovery protocol for the web that uses email address-like identifiers to get info about users; it has been largely superseded on the indieweb by the use of personal web sites and representative h-card https://indieweb.org/WebFinger
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "By: Srikanth Perinkulam" by Srikanth Perinkulam on 2017-04-19 https://srikanthperinkulam.com/2017/04/15/fetching-knocks/
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# [cleverdevil] Morning, folks.
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# [cleverdevil] It lives! https://cleverdevil.io/onthisday/
# [cleverdevil] Unfortunately, it requires a change to Known core.
# [cleverdevil] Gonna have to figure that out...
# KevinMarks Does this mean you can make GraphQL queries and just get what you need?
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snarfed aaronpk KevinMarks: example new instagram json: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/test/test_instagram.py#L500
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@ChrisAldrich Losing My Patience with Google+ #indieweb: https://plus.google.com/+GideonRosenblatt/posts/Wrig2znc3r2 (twitter.com/_/status/854730892262203397)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Losing My Patience with Google+ #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-19 https://plus.google.com/+GideonRosenblatt/posts/Wrig2znc3r2
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning gRegorLove
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# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk++
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[jeremycherfas] !tell chrisaldrich I tool a look at the G&T issue and found what I think is a solution, posted as an issue
# [jeremycherfas] !tell chrisaldrich The issue link https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1704
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas glad you found at least a temporary solution
# Loqi [chrisaldrich]: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 9 minutes ago: The issue link https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1704
# [chrisaldrich] I just noticed that /pnut (a successor to ADN) logged the following issue to support webmention and microformats: https://github.com/pnut-api/api-spec/issues/31
# [jeremycherfas] I wish I understood the full difference between strip_tags() and htmlspecialchars()
# [chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas moi aussi
# [chrisaldrich] sknebel: I've been watching them gestate some of it for a while, glad they're thinking about supporting it.
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funwhilelost jeremycherfas: strip_tags replaces "<p>" with "", and htmlspecialchars replaces "<p>" with "<p>"
# funwhilelost I think your update is far superior in the case of the RSS titles
# [jeremycherfas] Well, thanks @funwhilelost
# funwhilelost Potentially you could propose htmlspecialchars(strip_tags("My post title"))
# funwhilelost Then if someone did "My <b>Post</b> & Yours" it would result in "My Post & Yours" - which is valid. But I don't see how/why HTML tags would end up in a post title...
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# [jeremycherfas] Trying to add webmention support to my WP site at eatthispodcast.com. I have the indieauth plugin activated, and have signed in at indieauth using Twitter to validate. But webmention rocks says it cannot find an authorization endpoint. What now?
# [jeremycherfas] @funwhilelost this was something of an odd case in that the title in my Known stream was actually brought in there by ownyourgram as the caption of an image.
# [jeremycherfas] Nope. Webmention.rocks receiver test #1
# [jeremycherfas] I need to sign in, and I can’t seem to.
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KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: where are you running into trouble? I just signed in with Indieauth -> Github
# gRegorLove Using https://www.jeremycherfas.net, indieauth is showing the Twitter account doesn't link back to the domain. Looks like only Github links back.
# gRegorLove Is that the domain you're signing in with?
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# deathrow1|absnt sknebel, gRegorLove: am obviously late. about to head on out. easy to find you at betahaus?
# [jeremycherfas] No, I’m signing in with http://eatthispodcast.com which is another one of my sites
# gRegorLove I may be late (I'm in western US ;)
# deathrow1|absnt gRegorLove: hmm. confused. nick for sebastian greger?
# deathrow1|absnt sknebel: great, thanks! see you soon =)
# [chrisaldrich] snarfed++ for bridgy/granary maintainence
# deathrow1|absnt needs to use wiki to map people to nicks based on https://twitter.com/sebastiangreger/status/854210856221016064
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@sebastiangreger Tomorrow Wed 19.4. 19:00: 6th Homebrew Website Club Berlin (at Betahaus Cafe in Kreuzberg, U8/Moritzplatz) #indieweb http://sebastiangreger.net/2017/04/homebrew-website-club-berlin-2017-04-19/ (twitter.com/_/status/854210856221016064)
# [chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas Once you've downloaded the webmention plugin and activated it, you should be good to go.
# [chrisaldrich] Though you _could_ test it against webmention.rocks, it should give you the basic functionality for sending/receiving.
# [jeremycherfas] I thought I would test before trying anything else, because a test from Twitter this morning failed, and I had webmention plugin enabled.
# [jeremycherfas] I’ll look at brid.gy’s log again
# gRegorLove Huh, yeah, seems weird that webmention.rocks is saying to add <link rel="authorization_endpoint" href="https://indieauth.com/auth">
# [jeremycherfas] Yeah. I’m going to give up on that as brid.gy now seems to have got through. Thanks snarfed and gregorlove And chrisaldrich
# gRegorLove I guess it needs that to know to use indieauth.com; could use another service
# gRegorLove Your primary domain has the authorization_endpoint, that's why it worked.
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# [chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas for backfeeding comments from silos via bridgy, you may want to work your way through https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy, particularly
# [jeremycherfas] Yeah. The linkback hasn’t actually arrived at my /mentions page, as far as I can tell. But that’s another issue for another day. Baby steps.
# [chrisaldrich] for comments, likes, etc. to come back from twitter via bridgy you'll also want to have u-syndication labeled links on your posts and this is most easily done with the syndication links plugin.
# [chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas Keep in mind that native webmentions can get caught up in your spam filter, though I don't know that I've ever seen a case of Akismet marking anything from brid.gy as spam.
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# gRegorLove [jeremycherfas]: Twitter link appears broken on eatthispodcast.com: "http://@eatpodcast"
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# snarfed akismet has definitely marked bridgy backfeed as spam before. fix: https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy#Spam
# [jeremycherfas] Haha. Just found your comment on the Australian podcast in Spam! But not my general shoutout.
# [jeremycherfas] gregorlove Where do you see that? Works for me, from the icon on the footer.
# gRegorLove In the header
# [jeremycherfas] Odd. Let me check.
# gRegorLove Footer link works though, yes.
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# [jeremycherfas] Hhhmn. I see now. It is the one associated with the social media icon. Wonder where that’s coming from?
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# [chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas It looks like you've got pings disabled for that particular page in the bridgy log: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1492624760&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo4NTQ1ODA0NzkyMDIzNDA4NjQM
# [chrisaldrich] I'd have to dig in to remember if turning off trackbacks/pingbacks also turns off webementions as well...
# [jeremycherfas] That was an error from this morning, I believe. Right now, there is no log. And I checked pings for that page.
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# [jeremycherfas] That’s really interesting gregorlove. That error has been there a long time, and I never noticed. I need to try and remember how I put the link in there.
# Loqi [Kit Redgrave ✅ (self-signed)] https://indieweb.org/monoculture hi mastodon
# [chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas Based on it's location, it's probably something set by your theme. Check eatthispodcast.com/wp-admin/customize.php?return=%2Fwp-admin%2F
# [chrisaldrich] or Appearance >> Customize
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# Loqi Nextcloud News is an "app" for the Nextcloud platform that provides an RSS aggregator and feed reader functionality https://indieweb.org/Nextcloud_News
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# Loqi [superfeedr] "Just installed the Mastodon plugin for #Known by @nxd4n - if you can see this test post on Mastodon it has worked! #indieweb https://github.com/danito/KnownMastodon" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-04-19 http://raretrack.uk/2017/just-installed-the-mastodon-plugin-for-known-by-nxd4n
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@schmarty I love #IndieWeb, but I wish the "Syndicate Elsewhere" part of #POSSE was simpler. Some thoughts: https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/19/151612/ (twitter.com/_/status/854776335562141698)
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# martymcguire[m] ^^ would love other folks' thoughts on my post above. /syndication-brainstorming and /micropub_chaining are plumbing-heavy but close to what i am thinking of.
# martymcguire[m] haha, accepting all feedback including amens, GWG :}
# martymcguire[m] aaronpk: I am! i have been hesitant to use the existing micropub syndication "stack" because I don't actually trust myself to construct posts that work on FB and Twitter the first time.
# martymcguire[m] GWG: indeed it does! i didn't mean to imply otherwise. i'll make an edit.
# martymcguire[m] i almost scrapped my post when i saw the syndication updates as part of the micropub spec, haha
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# martymcguire[m] updated my post to be clearer what i mean about the "last mile" when syndicating through bridgy.
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# snarfed martymcguire[m]: have you read https://snarfed.org/2015-11-29_keep-bridgy-publish-dumb ? it addresses some of your post
# martymcguire[m] i haven't!
# martymcguire[m] off to read
# snarfed also martymcguire[m], you probably already know, but just in case, re "Brid.gy has no mechanism for informing my site that the new syndicated post is available," if you bridgy publish via webmention, it includes the syndicated post url in the response. https://brid.gy/about#response
# martymcguire[m] snarfed: oh, good point, i should probably expand the "but bridgy can be automated" part of my post to note that.
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singpolyma bridgy publish makes my life possible. A+
# singpolyma though every time I upgrade the wordpress webmention plugin something breaks :P but still, much better than all my old kludges
# martymcguire[m] also i don't mean for this post to sound like i am down on bridgy. :/ i ❤️ bridgy and bridgy publish!
# martymcguire[m] snarfed++ for bridgy
# singpolyma GWG: always, yeah
# martymcguire[m] haha, heck, is there a way to donate to bridgy server costs? i would do that. :}
# singpolyma To the patreon!
# snarfed martymcguire[m]: aww thanks! but no donations pls. https://brid.gy/about#cost
# singpolyma GWG: I heard in master it's better, so maybe my next update will be the last time it breaks :)
# singpolyma GWG: oh? You didn't want trackbacks for some reason?
# singpolyma yeah. so, I'll have to add that when I upgrade :) but hopefully then it stays working, since it's very explicit
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# [chrisaldrich] GWG: does one need to accept pingbacks/trackbacks to receive webmentions in general. jeremycherfas was having issues this morning, and I wasn't sure if that may have been a problem for him.
# singpolyma [chrisaldrich]: on Wordpress with the plugin, normally yes
# singpolyma GWG: I mean, they're all considered the same thing. The average Wordpress user doesn't know the names of the tech, they just want to be notified when someone links to them
# singpolyma Right. I mean, it seems odd to support one and not the other, since they're the same at the UI level
# singpolyma GWG: Shhh! Are we allowed to admit anything but Webmention exists in here? ;)
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# singpolyma You know that all the benefits of Webmentions can be applied to any of the other protocols, right? The main-cited "benefit" being checking if they link to you to prevent spam... which you can do no matter what protocol submitted the information to your system. At the bottom they're all just super-light protocols that send a source,dest URL pair to you in some format
# singpolyma what you do with that pair is up to you
# singpolyma yeah. weird
# singpolyma Is that not the right place to store it?
# gRegorLove martymcguire[m]: Have you tried the silo-specific options with Bridgy? https://brid.gy/about#silo-content
# gRegorLove Still requires some more work up front to decide what text goes to each silo, though
# martymcguire[m] gRegorLove: i have! it works for some of the things i want.
# martymcguire[m] honestly, snarfed's post is right-on - what i want will likely require some serious UI and thar be dragons.
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@TechLifeWeb Sometimes PESOS is just easier. #lazy #indieweb #tw (twitter.com/_/status/854789488836460544)
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Sometimes PESOS is just easier. #lazy #indieweb #tw" by Scott Kingery on 2017-04-19 http://techlifeweb.com/15879-2/
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@cleverdevil @DreamHostBrett just owning my own data, bro. #IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/854792169688780800)
# martymcguire[m] ok. updated my post w/ more clarity about bridgy.
# @cleverdevil @DreamHostBrett upgrade that WordPress site of yours with the IndieWeb plugins, and I can reply directly from my site to yours like a boss! (twitter.com/_/status/854792283282997248)
# [cleverdevil] #evangelism
# martymcguire[m] i am still tempted to talk down this road and build this tool, haha.
# martymcguire[m] i think i'll start w/ making my micropub server support queries and syndication edits.
# gRegorLove tries to hack previews using https://brid.gy/publish/preview, fails (which is good :) )
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# Loqi micropub chaining is when you have one micropub endpoint itself use micropub to post to another micropub endpoint, like to POSSE a post to silos, or to a community site or other commons https://indieweb.org/micropub_chaining
# Loqi [superfeedr] "A reply to John Carlos Baez on “Bye-bye, Google+ — but what next?”" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-19 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/19/a-reply-to-john-carlos-baez-on-bye-bye-google-but-what-next/
# Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on ? Closing Communities: FFFFOUND! vs MLKSHK | Waxy.org by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-19 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/14/closing-communities-ffffound-vs-mlkshk/#comment-34492
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# martymcguire[m] sknebel: i've seen that pattern several times myself
# martymcguire[m] i have a complication that sometimes my "POSSE" version of a post is more like a teaser with a link back to the post
# martymcguire[m] and those can't always be syndicated until the post actually exists at the eventual URL
# martymcguire[m] sknebel: exactly. another case: i sometimes want FB to pick up the info in my post for the link preview
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# martymcguire[m] HWC Baltimore beginning our quiet writing hour
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