#indieweb

2017-04-20

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gRegorLove
So 2013-06-11 is a starting date. Let's see if there's anything earlier.
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gRegorLove
But first, sleep.
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tantek_
nice! thanks gRegorLove. makes sense to see that as an exchange between aaronpk and sandeepshetty, webmentioning each other talking about webmention :)
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tantek_
when was 2013?
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Loqi
IndieWebCamp 2013 is on 2013-06-22 at Elemental Technologies https://indieweb.org/2013
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tantek_
hey what's this? http://tantek.com/2013/169/t3/second-indieweb-comments-implementation
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] The SECOND #indieweb comments implementation, by @aaronpk: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/05/21/1/xkcd FOUR individuals/countries/websites...
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tantek_
I mean https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] The hovertext of this XKCD literally put a grin on my face http://xkcd.com/1215/
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tantek_
first reply from Barnaby walters: https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1468/
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Loqi
[Barnaby Walters] Aaron Parecki gotta love XKCD :)
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tantek_
so what I don't know is if that worked via pingback or webmention
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tantek_
we have to ask aaronpk and barnabywalters
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tantek_
if that's via webmention, that's the earliest webmention federated comment thread
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tantek_
!tell aaronpk do you know if 1) you supported receiving webmentions as of when you posted this https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd and 2) if you happened to have received barnaby's comment (or eschnou's) via webmention or pingback? (did you even support receiving comments via both back then?)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] The hovertext of this XKCD literally put a grin on my face http://xkcd.com/1215/
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jeremycherfas
I don’t really understand the integration between IRC and Slack; it saeems that IRC is more complete than Slack. Can someone confirm that?
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tantek_
jeremycherfas you could check the logs and compare
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[jeremycherfas]
That’s exactly what prompted my question. There’s more in IRC than in Slack. But it is difficult to be sure what does move between the two and what does not.
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jeremycherfas
Example: Your message of 09:07 is visible in IRC and not in Slack. Why would that be?
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KevinMarks
Loqi dropped out maybe?
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[jeremycherfas]
Maybe. But I wonder how often that happens. I know that my IRC connection drops me out when I am idle for a while, or the computer ghoes to sleep, and so I rely on Slack to catch up. But, without wishing to be completist, maybe there’s a better way.
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sknebel
bunch of messages missing from https://chat.indieweb.org as well (which makes sense, since if I remember right, the code behind chat.indieweb also sends stuff to slack) ping aaronpk
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sknebel
oh, wait, saw a timestamp wrong
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sknebel
[jeremycherfas]: is the message you mean missing from chat.indieweb.org?
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jeremycherfas
I didn’t check chat.indieweb.org directly, only my IRC client
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sknebel
yes, but it would be interesting to know where in the pipeline the error might be
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Just installed the Mastodon plugin for #Known by @nxd4n - if you can see this test post on Mastodon it has worked! #indieweb https://github.com/danito/KnownMastodon" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-04-19 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/just-installed-the-mastodon-plugin-for-known-by-nxd4n
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jeremycherfas
Sknebel: the message is present in chat.indieweb.org and in my IRC client and not in Slack
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gRegorLove
This line? https://www.dropbox.com/s/28rs63v5p8n930n/Pussy.jpg?dl=0 I see it in Slack
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gRegorLove
wtf
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[jeremycherfas]
Er, that was interesting.
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cweiske
so that's the love in your nick
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jeremycherfas
Haha.
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Loqi
jeremycherfas: lol
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cweiske
I once had a coworker who posted such an image in the company's internal chat. left immediately without a word that day
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jeremycherfas
Better than goatse
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gRegorLove
/me embarrassed. please delete.
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gRegorLove
This line: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-04-20/1492672060593000
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Loqi
[tantek_] when was 2013?
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jeremycherfas
Yes, gregorlove, that’s the line I see in IRC and not in Slack. So if you see it in Slack, I guess the problem lies with my Slack sleeping on the job.
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[jeremycherfas]
Another of life’s mysteries.
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cweiske
hm. my search engine did stop indexing 10 days ago :/
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Jeena
I guess I need to run my own https://woodwind.xyz/ instance, the official one is more offline than online since half a year
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@kevinmarks
@smorewithface @wscsf @Netlify See also https://indieweb.org/static-site (twtr.io/1Qqc4e64ZVb)
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martymcguire[m]
Jeena: I set up an instance for myself a while back https://martymcgui.re/2016/11/28/124055/
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Loqi
[Marty McGuire] Self-Hosting kylewm's Woodwind Indie Reader
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jeremycherfas
!tell GWG Does the WP plugin Syndication Links add the custom-meta entry with mf2 details in it? And, I’m not seeing an icon next to Syndicated to; do I have to supply the icons myself?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
jeremycherfas: It does, but you need to provide the data, either by using a plugin that POSSEs and is supported, or using the manual entry box.
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Loqi
GWG: jeremycherfas left you a message 8 minutes ago: Does the WP plugin Syndication Links add the custom-meta entry with mf2 details in it? And, I’m not seeing an icon next to Syndicated to; do I have to supply the icons myself?
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jeremycherfas
I entered the Twitter link by hand, and the u-syndication link is now present, but no icon.
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jeremycherfas
I want to be able to POSSE to Twitter on an individual basis, not using an automatic plugin like SNAP. Or am I missing the point of SNAP?
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GWG
Try saving the settings page? Hidden is the default
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jeremycherfas
Nope. Saved settings (with changed text) and text changes but still no icon.
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jeremycherfas
Post is here http://www.eatthispodcast.com/eat-this-newsletter-053/
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Loqi
Eat This Newsletter 053
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jeremycherfas
Also, don’t really want to show the meta, but having trouble finding a CSS selector that targets it.
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benthatmustbe
/j #indieweb-chat
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benthatmustbe
/join #indieweb-chat
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ben_thatmustbeme
thought i would try
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jeremycherfas
GWG Just fiddling, I changed to hidden, saved the page, and the Before text and links were not shown. Changed back to icons and now they are shown.
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jeremycherfas
So, no idea what the problem is, but it is solved.
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[kevinmarks]
https://mastodon.social/@dictvm/3399142
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Loqi
[Daniel Heitmann] crom;dr Couldn't read on mobile, didn't read.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Achievement unlocked (thanks to huge help from the #indieweb community) -- now receiving webmentions at Eat This Podcast. But lots still to be done." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-04-20 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/achievement-unlocked-thanks-to-huge-help-from-the-indieweb-community
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cweiske
aaronpk, does switchboard provide subscriber counts?
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aaronpk
good morning!
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek_ left you a message 6 hours, 29 minutes ago: do you know if 1) you supported receiving webmentions as of when you posted this https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/21/4/xkcd and 2) if you happened to have received barnaby's comment (or eschnou's) via webmention or pingback? (did you even support receiving comments via both back then?)
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Loqi
rise and shine!
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aaronpk
cweiske: it does! in the response when you make a publish request
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cweiske
ah. I thought more of a feedburner-like badge that you can add to your website
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aaronpk
oh! good idea
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cweiske
screenshot: https://problogger.com/why-does-my-feedburner-subscriber-count-fluctuate/
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aaronpk
i don't have anything like that yet
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cweiske
https://problogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/feedburner-subscription-conters-2.jpg
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Jeena
martymcguire[m], I'm trying to set it up too but have many many problems with "pip install -r requirements.txt"
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Jeena
problems like this:
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Jeena
build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.5/_openssl.c:73031:45: error: initializer element is not constant
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Jeena
sizeof(X509_STORE_CTX), offsetof(struct _cffi_align__X509_STORE_CTX, y), 126, 10 },
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Jeena
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aaronpk
i don't see things missing from chat.indieweb.org, is that still a problem?
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martymcguire[m]
Jeena: ouch, openssl errors! i'm not too sure where to start on that. maybe googling for the error plus your platform. it might also be related to your version of python?
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sknebel
aaronpk: no, a line didn't appear in jeremys slack, but it is on chat.indieweb and others saw it in slack, so not our problem, but a slack-internal glitch it seems
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aaronpk
oh okay
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martymcguire[m]
Jeena: i set up a virtualenv with python 3.4.3. my openssl is 1.0.2k.
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martymcguire[m]
probably talk for dev
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Jeena
what distro are you using?
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aaronpk
/me reviews /federation
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martymcguire[m]
Jeena: the box i have woodwind on is a mess. it started as an old kubuntu but has since been upgraded to Ubuntu 14.04.5
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jeremycherfas
Not for me.
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Jeena
hehe ok martymcguire[m]
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martymcguire[m]
I usually just think of it as an ubuntu 14.04 box but its weird upgrade history affects things from time to time.
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@LukasRosenstock
Domain providers supporting the #IndieWeb and #POSSE totally makes sense, so I'm happy to see @iwantmyname do it: https://iwantmyname.com/blog/let-s-make-2017-the-year-of-the-indie-web (twtr.io/1QqtRPuo_GY)
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aaronpk
!tell tantek it looks like I launched webmention support 5 days after the post you asked about!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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martymcguire[m]
!tell tantek Thanks for the nudge. I made a first-pass at a "My IndieWeb Setup" section on my user page /User:Martymcgui.re#My_IndieWeb_Setup
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
wow nice
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martymcguire[m]
collecting my own user stories :}
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jeremycherfas
Martymcguire++ for such a comprehensive outline
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Loqi
martymcguire has 14 karma in this channel (18 overall)
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[kevinmarks]
https://ohai.su/users/lutoma/updates/538
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[kevinmarks]
what is ostatus?
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Loqi
OStatus is a suite of protocols for distributed social networking: https://indieweb.org/OStatus
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Loqi
[Lukas Martini] Lessons learned while writing my own OStatus implementation: OStatus is a poorly documented hodge-podge of poorly documented outdated protocols that are mostly awful XML messes. Oh well....
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[kevinmarks]
ostatus << https://ohai.su/users/lutoma/updates/538
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://ohai.su/users/lutoma/updates/538" to the "See Also" section of /OStatus
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Loqi
[Lukas Martini] Lessons learned while writing my own OStatus implementation: OStatus is a poorly documented hodge-podge of poorly documented outdated protocols that are mostly awful XML messes. Oh well....
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[kevinmarks]
https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/855086991230349312
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@kevinmarks
GET /.well-known/host-meta/beware_of_the_leopard HTTP/1.0 (twtr.io/1Qqy1oUWsaC)
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sknebel
good reminder to update my userpage as well
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dansup
hello jonnybarnes, found some of your indieweb packages on packagist. Good work!
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@rMdes_
L'IndieWeb: avoir son propre site web. Pourquoi? Comment? https://hwc.brussels/ https://www.facebook.com/events/1454963691201009/https://www.rmendes.net/2017/lindieweb-avoir-son-propre-site-web-pourquoi-comment-events1454963691201009-hwc-brussels (twtr.io/1Qr2H5xD4hg)
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@armadalive
L'IndieWeb: avoir son propre site web. Pourquoi? Comment? https://hwc.brussels/ https://www.facebook.com/events/1454963691201009/https://www.rmendes.net/2017/lindieweb-avoir-son-propre-site-web-pourquoi-comment-events1454963691201009-hwc-brussels (twtr.io/1Qr2HBYpa0G)
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@HwcBrussels
L'IndieWeb: avoir son propre site web. Pourquoi? Comment? https://hwc.brussels/ https://www.facebook.com/events/1454963691201009/https://www.rmendes.net/2017/lindieweb-avoir-son-propre-site-web-pourquoi-comment-events1454963691201009-hwc-brussels (twtr.io/1Qr2HFDDW1e)
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GWG
snarfed, I need another brain. Does your site paginate your comments?
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snarfed
GWG: i don't think so?
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GWG
I am trying to find a way to fold Webmentions for Comments into Webmentions for one less plugin, but having an issue with the URL for a comment
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Test" by Nicolas Collignon on 2017-04-20 https://ncollig.net/2017/test
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miklb
what is micropub
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Loqi
Micropub is an open API standard (W3C Candidate Recommendation) that is used to create, update, and delete posts on one's own domain using third-party clients, and supersedes both MetaWeblog and AtomPub https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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cweiske
ok, chat log search works again. 10 days ago my server was rebooted and I did not have an init script for the worker scripts.. 5k urls had been in the queue
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aaronpk
that happens to me all the time :)
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cweiske
I actually had systemd services for my website search instance
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cweiske
but not for indiechat search
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cweiske
it's pretty easy nowadays with systemd
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cweiske
https://github.com/cweiske/phubb#system-service
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miklb
has anyone POSSE'd GitHub stared repos?
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dansup
miklb, POSSE'd ?
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miklb
maybe the 'd is wrong?
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miklb
what is posse
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Loqi
POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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dansup
oh I see
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb, I use /Known and POSSE comments and issues, so that's definitely possible.
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb: If I remember there are issues with how they deal with titles, so it does have some quirks.
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miklb
I guess I could manually PESOS the likes. Just wondered if something was out there to reduce friction. Maybe a bookmarklet.
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miklb
[chrisaldrich] that's using silo.pub?
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb: It uses OAuth directly to github. Here's the plugin and some notes if you want to browse through it for WordPress usage: https://github.com/mapkyca/KnownGithub
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb, often I'll PESOS when creating a new issue as this particular plugin is better for commenting on pre-existing comments.
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[chrisaldrich]
it'll create new issues, but it doesn't easily allow differentiating between issue title and body, so the body of the text ends up in the title.
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snarfed
miklb: https://developer.github.com/v3/activity/starring/
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aaronpk
good morning tantek!
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tantek_
good morning :)
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Loqi
tantek_: aaronpk left you a message 7 hours, 11 minutes ago: it looks like I launched webmention support 5 days after the post you asked about!
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Loqi
tantek_: martymcguire[m] left you a message 7 hours, 2 minutes ago: Thanks for the nudge. I made a first-pass at a "My IndieWeb Setup" section on my user page /User:Martymcgui.re#My_IndieWeb_Setup
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tantek_
aaronpk I checked your archive for 5 days after that post and saw no post about having launched webmention support!
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aaronpk
apparently i didn't announce it!
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tantek_
https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/26
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aaronpk
but i found the git commit
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aaronpk
note to self: make more public posts about shipping indieweb features!
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tantek_
s/make more/always make
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tantek_
even if it's just a short note!
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tantek_
even if it's just a short note!
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tantek_
even if it's just a short note!
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: maybe you should continue your 100daysof indieweb
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tantek_
lol web UI :)
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tantek_
/me finds the rare day where aaronpk didn't do anything apparently: https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/03
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tantek_
;)
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aaronpk
wow
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aaronpk
ah i was at a conference and flying that day
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aaronpk
when i import my foursquare checkins it'll fill up :)
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tantek_
heh
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tantek_
aaronpk, gRegorLove and I are looking for when was the first federated comment thread using *webmention* - the one with eschnou (and later with your post) was via pingback + h-entry
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aaronpk
did werd.io ever support pingback?
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aaronpk
if not, this is likely the first webmention i sent https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/30/2/indieweb
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] @benwerd Check out the microformats-2 parser on http://pin13.net if you want to preview how it'll be parsed! #indieweb
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tantek_
judging from the order of implementations https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#IndieWeb_Examples - we would expect evidence on your and Benwerd's permalinks
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tantek_
you supported receiving before benwerd did
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aaronpk
here's one from me to barnaby https://aaronparecki.com/2013/05/31/4/indieweb
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] "Build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill Facebook" http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/ #indieweb
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aaronpk
and it's still visible on his site
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tantek_
but that's likely via pingback. he didn't start accepting webmentions til 2013-06-20
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aaronpk
oh, huh
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tantek_
again, looking at the dates on the webmention-developer link above
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aaronpk
aha https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/
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Loqi
[Barnaby Walters] Okay, I think I have a working two-way #webmention #indieweb comments implementation happening. Anyone fancy replying via webmention so I can make sure?...
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aaronpk
and my reply https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/20/2/webmention-indieweb
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] @BarnabyWalters Just in time for @indiewebcamp! #webmention #indieweb
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bear
so crazy seeing that timeline and it being 4 years ago
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aaronpk
followed by http://notiz.blog/2013/06/20/5231/ and https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/20/3/
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Loqi
[Matthias Pfefferle] My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb #Conversations from @eschnou, @Barnaby Walters, @Ben Werdmuller, @Tom Morris, @Will Norris, @Glenn Jones and @Aaron Parecki. …and some <3 for Sandeep Sh...
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aaronpk
and check out all the back and forth between me and benwerd here, looks like he was getting webmention and h-entry working then https://aaronparecki.com/2013/06/23
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aaronpk
/me wonders where all his bike ride maps went
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tantek_
aaronpk, gRegorLove found this from 2013-06-11 last night: http://indieweb.org/irc/2017-04-19/line/1492671575461
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Loqi
[gRegorLove] Here's first of aaronpk's comments I've found on another site (starting from 2013-05-26 onward): https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160331132325/http://www.sandeep.io/44...
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aaronpk
and another one! http://erikmaarten.com/articles/2013/06/28/testing-webmention
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Loqi
[Erik Andersson] Testing webmention
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tantek_
sad that sandeep switched his site to blogger and lost so many permalinks
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aaronpk
and eschnou too
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tantek_
I think he switched to about.me? or wordpress maybe?
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aaronpk
something like about.me yeah
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tantek_
I pinged benwerd about http://werd.io/view/51a80c16bed7de2a060f864a let's see if he can find it / restore it
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GWG
I feel nostalgic all of the sudden
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tantek_
what is Converspace?
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Loqi
https://indieweb.org/Converspace
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tantek_
ah, he always used blogger on http://sandeep.shetty.in but just redirected sandeep.io there at some point (which used to be where he ran Converspace)
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tantek_
aaronpk, it's likely that any responses that showed up on sandeep.io in 2013 were from Webmention but I can't be sure because I don't know if he implemented receiving pingbacks as well (or before he implemented webmention receiving)
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tantek_
I got as far as the github repo: https://github.com/converspace/converspace
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tantek_
but now I need to check out (8:00am here) and head to the CSSWG meeting so I'll have to leave that github spellunking to someone else
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tantek_
anyone here have a few minutes to look through the Converspace repo to see 1) if it ever supported pingback receiving (and when), and 2) when webmention receiving and displaying were implemented?
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tantek_
Sandeep is noticeably missing from https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#IndieWeb_Examples so we should at least capture his site/project there in a "Previous Examples" subsection
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tantek_
what is Converspace?
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Loqi
Converspace was a personal publishing project for social blogging by Sandeep Shetty https://indieweb.org/Converspace
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tantek_
there at least I improved that
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tantek_
the goal here obv is to find the date and example of when the first successful webmention send -> receive & display happened cross-site and cross-implementation
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KevinMarks
Apparently known's webfinger support rotted too
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KevinMarks
http://known.kevinmarks.com/.well-known/webfinger
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KevinMarks
Oh wait http://known.kevinmarks.com/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct:kevinmarks
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KevinMarks
This is such a stupid protocol
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KartikPrabhu
lol
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@aaronpk
welp, @wunderlist is officially going away, guess it's time to figure out an #indieweb replacement https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/20/microsoft-is-replacing-wunderlist-with-a-new-to-do-app/ (twtr.io/1QrgFddEFk4)
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KartikPrabhu
what is wunderlist?
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Loqi
Wunderlist is an app for managing todo lists, is available for many desktop and mobile platforms, and has an API https://indieweb.org/Wunderlist
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aaronpk
at least the new microsoft todo app is very similar to wunderlist
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aaronpk
tho i'm not really sure i want to switch to that
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[cleverdevil]
Have you considered Nextcloud Tasks?
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[cleverdevil]
What is Nextcloud Tasks?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Nextcloud Tasks" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10gt
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[cleverdevil]
Nextcloud Tasks is an app for the [[Nextcloud]] platform that provides task tracking and management, and syncs with popular desktop and mobile task management applications like [[2Do]]. – https://github.com/nextcloud/tasks
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Loqi
ok
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[cleverdevil]
What is 2Do?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "2Do" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10gu
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KevinMarks
How about todo.txt
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KartikPrabhu
what is Nextcloud?
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Loqi
Nextcloud is an open source software project for self-hosted personal web services including a file manager (an indie version of Dropbox), music, calendar (CalDAV), contacts (CardDAV), and more https://indieweb.org/Nextcloud
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KartikPrabhu
do we need a separate page for every Nextcloud app?
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[cleverdevil]
2Do is a task management app for [[iOS]], [[macOS]], and [[Android]].
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Loqi
ok
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[cleverdevil]
2Do << https://www.2doapp.com
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://www.2doapp.com" to the "See Also" section of /2Do
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KartikPrabhu
maybe one could add the apps to https://indieweb.org/Nextcloud#Applications instead of their own pages which have minimal descriptions
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[cleverdevil]
That's a good idea.
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plindner
Maybe I should just go back to org-mode
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snarfed
org-mode++
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Loqi
org-mode has 1 karma
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KartikPrabhu
what's that?
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plindner
emacs task manager http://orgmode.org
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KartikPrabhu
aah
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plindner
looks like there are some mobile apps now.. hmmm
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tantek_
Hello again
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tantek_
hey plindner in the house!
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[eddie]
aaronpk what would an "IndieWeb" replacement entail? Are there currently any proposed standards around that type of stuff? I know some apps are getting into integrating taskpaper's plain text format for interoperability
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tantek_
eddie, work it backwards. note that many /note posts are things people *have done*
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tantek_
a to do post in that regard is kind of like a draft but with side-effect pre-requisites
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[cleverdevil]
Oh great, another idea that I now inevitably have to implement for my site...
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[cleverdevil]
THANKS TANTEK
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tantek_
what is 43things
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "43things" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10gv
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[cleverdevil]
Almost like "promises" in many programming languages 😛
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tantek_
43Things is a to-do hosting [[silo]] with social media features such as friending, ability to cheer ([[like]]) or comment on to-do [[posts]].
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Loqi
ok
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tantek_
43Things << https://43things.com/
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://43things.com/" to the "See Also" section of /43Things
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tantek_
43Things << example user-profile found on homepage: https://43things.com/u/parunt1987
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Loqi
ok, I added "example user-profile found on homepage: https://43things.com/u/parunt1987" to the "See Also" section of /43Things
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tantek_
cleverdevil, take a look at 43Things, it's got some decent UX around "to-do" posts in a social media context, worthy of trying out, screenshotting etc. as research towards developing your own indie to-do posts
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[eddie]
@tantek_ interesting
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[cleverdevil]
I'll check it out, for sure.
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tantek_
eddie, definitely! yet another opportunity to own your data, or perhaps share your data, since most to-do solutions are private / local by default
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tantek_
e.g. to-do.txt
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[eddie]
That is interesting, as they would be notes, you could automatically do all the normal stuff like tag people, comment or reacji
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[eddie]
Ohhh!!!! Wait, it overlaps with my media posts: "interested, inprogress, finished"
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[kevinmarks]
hm, so would tagging people like you do in trello webmention them instead of emailing?
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[eddie]
😵😵
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[eddie]
Yeah, I think you would webmention a tagged person, that would allow their site to do whatever kind of processing that want
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[eddie]
Mind. Blown.
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[eddie]
I think the key thing about To Do apps though is the nice, focused interface. Micropub would allow you to save/edit posts. There isn't really any defined way to pull data from a site though, is there? I think everything I've seen is just the Micropub query for things like venues and syndicat endpoints. Microsub doesn't necessarily seem right either, because that is about how your site communicates with a reader app about what people you want to subs
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[kevinmarks]
isn't it just an h-feed?
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[eddie]
I guess so is there a standard for a private hfeed?
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[eddie]
I'm thinking of how you would say have a private h-feed that contains both public and private todo posts, that you would only access after authenticating. My site doesn't really have authentication yet. Has anyone ever explored private authenticated h-feeds? I'm guessing not
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[kevinmarks]
put it behind auth?
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tantek_
eddie, I'm not sure about private authenticated h-feeds, but a few folks here have explored showing more on their home page when you're signed in via IndieAuth
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tantek_
e.g. contact information
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tantek_
but there's no reason why you couldn't also show more posts in your home page composite stream
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tantek_
I kind of want to do that with checkins
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tantek_
eddie, the other thing similar to to-do posts, are events, since they're both about something you expect or want to do in the future
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[eddie]
Yeah, I've been doing some private media posts so on my local Jekyll instance on my computer I've been running Jekyll in such a way that it will build and show posts marked with visibility: private when I'm on my local Jekyll instance but my website builds it without private posts. Once I move away from Jekyll in the not too distant future, I'll be able to handle authentication and could start experimenting with showing my private posts on my authen
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[eddie]
maybe experiment with private h-feeds
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tantek_
that's a clever approach!
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[eddie]
Thanks. Yeah, by default Jekyll has something similar for drafts. Basically you build Jekyll with the --drafts flag and it will show draft posts. I took the same concept and just applied it to private marked posts.
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[kevinmarks]
hugo has that too
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[eddie]
I've enjoyed Jekyll but I do feel like I'm beginning to reach the end of it's ease of use 😉 haha, I think after I finish tackling Indigenous, next up is moving from Jekyll to Angular Universal (server-side rendering of the Angular SPA code).
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Loqi
rofl
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[eddie]
What is SPA?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "SPA" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10gw
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[eddie]
What is Single Page Application?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Single Page Application" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10gx
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[eddie]
Eh, oh well
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gRegorLove
tantek: Looks like Sandeep added the rel=webmention.org 2013-06-03: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/commit/21db7a7cd12e1de7e7176426b77123b3c5aa31e1
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gRegorLove
Placeholder wm endpoint the same day: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/commit/b02a8630a246b966a3efd12f501e380038500e6b
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gRegorLove
And sending webmentions the next day: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/commit/02f0be8820d67f75376bed184df6b5a4d426d53b
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gRegorLove
Finally, receiving wm on the 9th: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/commit/2141426413658bc9340ab4ca6406c8e3a9ab97c1
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tantek_
wow I got a "5 years ago" on this day from Swarm
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tantek_
and it's maybe not the best reminder. huh
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dansup
thoughts on my AS2 library? https://github.com/dansup/php-activitystreams#usage
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dansup
still a WIP, I want a fluent API
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skippy
late to the party, but I heartily recommend todo.txt for anyone looking at to do apps. https://skippy.net/todotxt/
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Loqi
[Scott Merrill] todo.txt
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gRegorLove
I don't see a pingback header before 2013-06-27, and then it's pingback.me, so pretty sure the earlier comments are by webmention: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/commit/8f8bff39cdd6f640d5f9f43ad6ace034a9cf301c
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tantek_
gRegorLove++ nice sleuthing
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Loqi
gregorlove has 86 karma in this channel (117 overall)
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tantek_
gRegorlove - can you write up and link those in https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#Sandeep_Shetty ? (just stubbed it)
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tantek_
/me goes back to documenting an "on this day" issue
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@dsup
Making progress on an activity streams 2 library. https://github.com/dansup/php-activitystreams #indieweb #activitystreams #federation (twtr.io/1Qrv1GJkjAf)
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dansup
heh
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tantek_
dansup, add yourself to /irc-people so that you show up in the logs at least as nicely as your tweets and linked to your personal site as well! E.g. compare http://indieweb.org/irc/2017-04-20/line/1492741654204 to the line above it.
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Loqi
[dansup] heh
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dansup
tantek_, ok, thanks
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dansup
/me still needs to setup his website
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tantek_
dansup, there's a github template for a static starting page :)
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tantek_
what is getting started
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Loqi
Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the indiewebcamp community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page & other indieweb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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dansup
oh thats awesome, thanks for sharing tantek_
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tantek_
dansup, this in particular: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#GitHub_Pages
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tantek_
helps you get something on a domain in a few minutes at least so you have something to link to :)
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miklb
I should update my jekyll-indieweb repo and add it that section
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tantek_
what is todo
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Loqi
Next steps for IndieWebCamp and IndieWeb efforts https://indieweb.org/todo
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tantek_
heh
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Loqi
definitely
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dansup
tantek_, I have dansup.com, I will just CNAME that to github pages. I never thought of doing that, good call
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dansup
will be handy until I finish my laravel website
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tantek_
dansup, definitely! Then you can start using dansup.com for your indieweb login etc.
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tantek_
gRegorlove, with your analysis of Converspace repo history, looks like you've confirmed this is the first example of webmention comment federation: http://indieweb.org/irc/2017-04-19/line/1492671575461
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Loqi
[gRegorLove] Here's first of aaronpk's comments I've found on another site (starting from 2013-05-26 onward): https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160331132325/http://www.sandeep.io/44...
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tantek_
since that happened from aaronpk->sandeep on 2013-06-11, and sandeep had implemented (presumably and deployed) webmention receiving on 2013-06-09 per that link you found.
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-04-21.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tantek_
Note to Loqi, it's already 2017-04-21 for some of us ;)
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tantek_
/me gives Loqi an international datetime line
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Loqi
/me investigates the international datetime line
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tantek_
very good.
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tantek_
hmm no photos in https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-04-21.html despite the HWC this past week?
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tantek_
!tell martymcguire, funwhilelost, adactio - any photos from your Homebrew Website Club meetups this past Wednesday? Add to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club#Photos ! Thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek_
aaronpk, thanks for the improvements on /federation !
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ben_thatmustbeme
Reading back before bed. dansup building in laravel? I've been slowly working on redoing my site in laravel as well
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dansup
ben_thatmustbeme, nice, im working on some indieweb packages for my laravel gnu/social clone
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dansup
and my blog
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ben_thatmustbeme
Feel free to check out what little I've had done thus far,. Actually looks like I haven't pushed code in some time
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ben_thatmustbeme
GitHub.com/dissolve/splatter
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ben_thatmustbeme
I'm hoping that once I get to webmention and micropub, etc, to just make libraries out of them
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ben_thatmustbeme
Been soo tired up with other stuff lately though
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ben_thatmustbeme
Definitely let me know when you have done of those packages available
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dansup
looks nice
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dansup
sure, after I am done activitystreams I am going to finish https://github.com/dansup/php-micropub
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snarfed
dansup what does your PHP AS lib do? looks like it just converts in memory objects to JSON right now?
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dansup
snarfed, for the moment yes, it will eventually support PSR7 responses and model transformers
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snarfed
/me assumes those are PHP things
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[cleverdevil]
OK, I am pretty darn happy with my "On This Day" implementation, now!
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[cleverdevil]
https://cleverdevil.io/onthisday/
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[cleverdevil]
I added the ability to page forward and backward through time 😛
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[cleverdevil]
https://cleverdevil.io/onthisday/04/16
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Loqi
[Jonathan LaCour] He's a little short for a Storm Trooper https://cleverdevil.io/file/456cc59246be6b41525b3eab3a5763ea/thumb.jpg
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[cleverdevil]
I'll eventually add the ability to show an entire month, as well.
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[cleverdevil]
So, "/onthisday/04" would show "April" through the years.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Owning My Memories" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-21 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/owning-my-memories
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Facebook’s algorithm isn’t surfacing one-third of our posts. And it’s getting worse." by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-21 https://medium.com/@kurtgessler/facebooks-algorithm-isn-t-surfacing-one-third-of-our-posts-and-it-s-getting-worse-68e37ee025a3
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[cleverdevil]
Okay, time for bed. Night, folks.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @aaronpk" by Scott Kingery on 2017-04-21 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-aaronpk/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @dsup" by Scott Kingery on 2017-04-21 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-dsup/
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snarfed
hey aaronpk i know you're still working on IWS venue...but i assume you expect it will be downtown?
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cweiske
aaronpk, does chat.indieweb.org support websub to notify about new chat lines?
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cweiske
pinde is able to subscribe, so we could have instant search index updates
(or join via IRC, Matrix, or Slack)