#indieweb 2017-05-21

2017-05-21 UTC
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jjuran "syntactic vinegar" :-)
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@davidmead Post navigation ← Previous Post Posted on 2017-05-20 by davidmead Just updated 3 #indieweb WordPress… http://djm.click/blog/b/4bR (twitter.com/_/status/866098049013219328)
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@davidmead The beauty, and frustration, of the #indieweb https://twitter.com/davidmead/status/866106277423980544/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/866106277423980544)
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jjuran https://indieweb.org/silo is absolute gold.
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@davidmead Ugh! Reposting direct on Twitter, as syndicated content didn't pass a link back to the post. http://djm.click/blog/b/4bT #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/866107236980068353)
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@eli_oat My first IndieWebCamp Really excited to move this summer so I can hopefully get to an IndieWebCamp one day. https://mmmicro.eli.li/2017/05/20/353/ (twitter.com/_/status/866109833975668736)
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GWG Slow right now
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb Summit 2017" by David Shanske on 2017-05-21 https://david.shanske.com/2017/05/20/indieweb-summit-2017/
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GWG The Indieweb Summit Site says my post doesn't have an RSVP property. But it does.
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GWG It is just nested inside my in-reply-to
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GWG This is actually the first RSVP I've ever posted in the wild. I think I need to enhance the template.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Bridging the Gap Between Your Blog and Social Media" by Eoghann Irving on 2016-04-23 https://eoghann.mill-irving.com/bridging-gap-blog-social-media
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@nueww Moonshot Bootcamp & Indiewebcamp - so geht #Sonntag! #nueww #wearedigitals #camps #nürnberg http://nueww.de/programm/2017/#/140/2-3-4-8-11-20-22-23-24-25-26-27-28-29//beginner-intermediate-expert https://twitter.com/nueww/status/866171952234323968/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/866171952234323968)
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@jkphl 2nd day of @indiewebcamp Nuremberg 2017 ahead. At the same time, this is the last day of my 9-day event marathon. I will miss this. #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/866187911422767105)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb! Good morning Nürnberg!
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[colinwalker] Morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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@maddesigns @jkphl @indiewebcamp Du bist ein Tier! Viel Spaß! (twitter.com/_/status/866196648069824512)
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Zegnat Has anyone seen that Facebook now adds “send message” buttons right in the homefeed? Example post: http://zegnat.net/media/fb5.png
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@jkphl @maddesigns @indiewebcamp Danke! Haben wir! :) https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/866199638277226498/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/866199638277226498)
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@jkphl #IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2017 Day 2 commencing /w @adactio @wordridden @HeNeArXn @sebastiangreger #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/866203716726255616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/866203716726255616)
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sknebel_ good morning Zegnat!
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sknebel_ Nürnberg just kicked off the hackday
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Zegnat I have a headstart then ;)
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Zegnat Good morning sebsel
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sebsel morning Zegnat :)
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Zegnat Are you fixing your checkins today? ;)
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sebsel are they broken?
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Zegnat https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-05-20#t1495301060509000
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Loqi [aaronpk] https://seblog.nl/2017/05/20/5
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Zegnat See what Loqi did
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Zegnat Few lines lower is my 20 second analysis
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sknebel_ Zegnat: on https://licit.li/59208465d4fa7, IMHO the quote should wrap and not lead to horizontal scrollbars on a small browser window
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aaronpk looks like Loqi is using the implied p-name of the checkin which is the contents of the h-entry
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Zegnat sknebel_, I agree, but it is not actually a quote in the current mark-up. It is a PRE dump of the IRC log.
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Zegnat aaronpk, that was my assumption too
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sebsel Yeah, no aaronpk Zegnat I saw that and changed some things.
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Zegnat Ah, I see the p-name now!
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sebsel First, there was no p-name, and the h-entry was at the <body>, so it got all my page
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sebsel But yeah: https://seblog.nl/2017/05/20/5
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Hauptmarkt https://seblog.nl/thumbs/2017/140/5/699311_ifhlly9wmpep3it7r8dhxqugigjxmcqeq84csynz4j4-1000x1333-blur.jpg
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aaronpk ah looks all fixed
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Zegnat sebsel++ for iterating fast and furiously
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Loqi sebsel has 16 karma in this channel (21 overall)
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sebsel :)
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sebsel I actually added a map too yesterday
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Zegnat sknebel_ did you get my webmention for that post?
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sknebel_ Zegnat: one sec, I don't get notifications for those right now
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Zegnat Ah, alright, I thought my webmention might have been the reason for seeing the post
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aaronpk sebsel: are you having trouble with images from ownyourswarm?
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sebsel Eh, I have troubles with the update-query, which might be a different problem.
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sknebel_ Zegnat: it arrived, but failed verification
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Zegnat I also mentioned jeremycherfas in my other chat-quote, but can’t track that webmention as his plugin gives back the wrong status pages
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Zegnat sknebel_, do you know why?
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Zegnat Oh. I might know why. Crap.
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sebsel aaronpk I do however have troubles with photo-update sometimes.
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Zegnat sknebel_, I think I send you a mention for https://www.svenknebel.de/ but my HTML links https://www.svenknebel.de. If your verification does a string compare it may fail. That’s a mistake on my end though.
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sknebel_ Zegnat: I'd think that kind of normallization should happen, but I'm not sure right now
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sknebel_ improving logging for this as we speak
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Zegnat jeremycherfas should have gotten a mention from me too, on the other chat-quote, but his implementation gives back the status page of a different mention so no clue as to that status
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sebsel I believe Zegnat should send a webmention with the target set to the url he actually mentions
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aaronpk reviews logs
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Zegnat sebsel, I agree. Else the validation logic gets really confusing.
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aaronpk yes Zegnat if your HTML contains a link to https://www.svenknebel.de/ then the webmention target should match exactly
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aaronpk the receiver should not have to do anything except look for an exact match of the target URL
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Zegnat That’s my thought, aaronpk. Why I said it is a mistake on my end.
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sknebel_ Zegnat: yeah, with the changed url it validates
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Zegnat As expected. Good to know though.
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sknebel_ did you sent manually? or bug in code?
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bjoern good morning #indieweb
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Zegnat All my webmentioning is manually, sknebel_
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sknebel_ Zegnat: oh, ok. I use telegraph most of the time
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Zegnat When I right-click and copy URL, Chromium adds the trailing /, apparently. Which accounts for the mistake.
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sknebel_ ouch
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Zegnat What is telegraph?
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Loqi Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indieweb.org/Telegraph
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Zegnat Ah, right, I looked into that but did not want to offload sending onto a service
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cweiske myfreeweb, could you share a screenshot of micropanel?
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Zegnat Next version of my site will have much better Webmention sending, so no worries
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sknebel_ I paste urls manually in there. the next version text I'm saying as well :P
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Zegnat But, but, but, my next version is real! http://zegnat.net/media/thing.png (real-ish? :p)
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@AshtonArcher Syrupy and strong. Just what's needed to wake up! - Drinking an Elephant Extra Strong at @indiewebcampde - http://untp.beer/s/c455146869 #photo (twitter.com/_/status/866216490026110977)
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@ambrwlsn90 Two very cool guys doing web stuff @indiewebcamp @nueww @tollwerk #nueww https://twitter.com/ambrwlsn90/status/866222222125518848/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/866222222125518848)
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sebsel I think I can safely announce that I support receiving private webmentions now :)
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aaronpk \o/
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aaronpk good job!
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@jkphl New friendships are tied at the #IndieWebCamp Nuremberg ... https://tollwerk.de/deinjob/ #bistdus? #nueww +@mhaseneyer https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/866240933855186946/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/866240933855186946)
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strk[m] sebsel: did you write a post about your setup?
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sebsel not yet! good idea for this afternoon when I get to my code-max :)
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sebsel https://github.com/sebsel/seblog-kirby-webmentions/tree/experimental-private-mentions << this is (part of) my code, but it does not work out of the box.
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "https://github.com/sebsel/seblog-kirby-webmentions/tree/experimental-private-mentions" or similar
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cweiske >><<>>
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cweiske >> << >>
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named ">>" or similar
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sebsel ahh
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cweiske loqi tries to add data to the page if you use <<
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sebsel yeah, I should stop using that.
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aaronpk lol
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myfreeweb cweiske: added a screenshot to https://github.com/myfreeweb/micro-panel
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Loqi [myfreeweb] micro-panel: Admin panel for micropub and microformats2
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cweiske thanks!
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cweiske I'll put it into the wiki on the micropub clients page
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myfreeweb haha i tried to upload it as an update to https://indieweb.org/File:sweetroll_with_micropanel.png and the wiki said it's a duplicate and i was like… what
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Loqi myfreeweb: lol
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Loqi [superfeedr] "21/05/2017, 12:05" by Colin Walker on 2017-05-21 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/05/21/21052017-1205/
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[jeremycherfas] @Zegnat I may have time to check status but for now I am working on display of received webmentions.
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@jkphl Extremely focused hacking time @indiewebcamp Nuremberg after a delicious lunch. You could hear a needle drop! #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/866266260602056704/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/866266260602056704)
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GWG It's quiet. Too quiet
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cweiske GWG, micropub tt-rss is in development
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sknebel_ GWG: sorry, busy working ;)
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GWG cweiske, if you want me to test any tt-rss plugins, I have my instance
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GWG How long till demos?
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cweiske 1h or so
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GWG I'm assuming that if I put my rsvp property inside my h-cite inside my in-reply-to, that is improper formatting? I apparently didn't think about it at the time.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Slipstream and micro.blog" on 2017-05-21 http://www.rousette.org.uk/blog/archives/slipstream-and-micro-blog/
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Zegnat GWG: if the property is nested below h-cite it becomes a property of the cite itself.
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GWG I didn't realize I had till I couldn't get it working
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Zegnat Without seeing your mark-up, it sounds like that is what you are doing.
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GWG Since I set up auto rsvp, I haven't rsvped for anything
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Zegnat It is not improper microformats, it just isn’t what you want, because you want to make the h-entry have a RSVP property (I assume)
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skippy tell me more about micropub tt-rss. I'm a tt-rss user. This is relevant to my interests.
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davidmead morning GWG. what class does Bridgy Publish look for as the “content” holder? Is it ‘e-content’?
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cweiske skippy, I'm building a tt-rss plugin one can use to directly reply to posts within tt-rss
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GWG davidmead: Correct.
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GWG cweiske++ for all the tt-rss work
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Loqi cweiske has 75 karma in this channel (90 overall)
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skippy interesting. so from a tt-rss story, i'd post a reply on my own site, linked to that story?
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GWG I'm looking forward to some more fixes today.
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GWG cweiske: Are you going to support likes, bookmarks, and wuch?
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cweiske I'm glad when I get a simple comment working until 16:30
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Zegnat What are pronouns?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pronouns" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat What is pronoun?
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Loqi A pronoun is a word that people often use to refer to other people or objects instead of their names; on the indieweb you can express which pronouns should be used to refer to you https://indieweb.org/Pronoun
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Zegnat Anyone remember how to make Loqi create a redirection page on the wiki?
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@Sebsel The hardest part of #IndieWebCamp is het spreken von all dieser Spräche durcheinanderですよ. (twitter.com/_/status/866297580799623168)
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@egoexpress Just a short hacking sprint for me at todays #indiewebcamp Nuremberg. Full of ideas, but the little guy waiting at home made me leave. :) (twitter.com/_/status/866299884185337856)
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sebsel Demo time!
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Zegnat This microformat is going to require a bit more work. http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvanderven.se%2Fmartijn%2Fgender%2F Ideas welcome.
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sebsel People are still trying to finish stuff
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pantal [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zub-PBHPng
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@xandruCea Demos - IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2017 #indiedev #webdev #development https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zub-PBHPng&feature=share (twitter.com/_/status/866302032457736192)
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sknebel_ first: cweiske
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Zegnat is watching
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GWG I can't watch right now. Can someone narrate?
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sknebel_ extended the reader he uses, tt-rss, with a micropub form
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sebsel He worked on phorkie
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GWG Zegnat: You'll have to explain some of those term to me later.
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GWG I'm underinformed
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Zegnat I would be happy to, GWG. It is mostly a mess, haha. But then again, identity is messing.
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Loqi nice
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Zegnat Genderbread model comes with a free ebook, so I can recommend that
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sknebel_ can register a micropub endpint
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sebsel He's now posting a reply from his reader
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sknebel_ then in the overview select a post, and immediatly start writing a reply
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sknebel_ which is then posted via micropub
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sknebel_ also button "reply with Quill", which redirects to quill and prefills the reply-to url
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Zegnat That looked real smooth cweiske, nice!
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sknebel_ next is jeremy cherfas
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Zegnat jkphl rescues the demo with a million adapters on his person?
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Zegnat jeremycherfas.net - Grav blog - wants to display webmentions
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Zegnat using XRay for data extraction
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Zegnat makes for much more consistent data on the webmention plugin than what was there previously
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sknebel_ new issue is that the plugin doesn't expose the data to the templates when it should
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@jkphl Demo time at the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg 2017! #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/866303890706321408/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/866303890706321408)
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sknebel_ next dominic
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Zegnat (if I at any point conflict in note-taking with sknebel_ and sebsel because of stream delay, I will shut-up)
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sknebel_ rebuild portfolio site with jekyll
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sknebel_ hosted on s3 bucket
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Zegnat CloudFront in front (for SSL?)
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sknebel_ different content types for projects, posts, ...
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Zegnat Jekyll only supports 2 post types by default (?)
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Zegnat Walter next
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Zegnat walterebert.com
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sknebel_ next is walter ebert
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sknebel_ worked on his webstatistics
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sknebel_ used old, not mantained tool based on flash
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sknebel_ used dimple (JS library wrapping d3) to make graphs instead
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Zegnat dimplejs.org
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Zegnat d3js.org
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sknebel_ some difficulties because code base on PHP5 and incompatible with dev setup
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sknebel_ next is sebsel and me
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sknebel_ private webmentions
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Zegnat sebsel: https://seblog.nl/ ; sknebel: https://www.svenknebel.de/
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Loqi Sebastiaan Andeweg
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sgreger on screen is sebsel's computer
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sgreger "the interesting part is invisible"
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Zegnat Don’t tell me sknebel_ is live writing Python code for the demo. Again. ;)
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sgreger problem with token database
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Zegnat OwnYourSwarm can have photos with their checkins. But these photos might be sent in after the check-in itself.
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sgreger second project: photos that are later attached to a swarm check-in can be added to indie checkin later
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sgreger retroactively added to the checkin on sebsel's server
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Zegnat Through update query on his micropub endpoint
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sgreger another try with the private webmention demo ;)
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sgreger demo effect: didn'T work now
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Zegnat [who?] has been working on a photo project.
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aaronpk Markus
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Zegnat Nodejs back-end to read-in files from the filesystem (Dropbox?), scales down the images, and gives it to a React written front-end that displays them as a carousel
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sgreger dropbox, yes
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Zegnat Which Markus is this? Schuster?
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Zegnat Ah, never mind, I was in the 2016 guest list.
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Zegnat No Markus at all on the 2017 one
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sknebel_ next joschi, jan, sebastian greger, oliver, martin
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sknebel_ continued persona list from onboarding session in berlin
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sknebel_ made it fully english, added missing persona and one they discovered in the process
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg/onboarding#Personas
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Zegnat What are personas?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "personas" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat Page is free and will probably be filled with this information. Guessing sgreger will be on to that soon!
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sknebel_ some feedback about /generations, there might be a stage between 1 and 2
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Zegnat [someone] added a bluetooth beacon to his website, trying to spam everyone in the room with their URL
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sebsel everyone in the room is trying to receive it
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Zegnat apologises for not knowing everyone at IWC today
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sknebel_ using pub.js, a js beacon
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sebsel This was JanSauer.de
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sgreger puck.js
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Zegnat On iPhone, Google Chrome has to be added to the notifications/widgets/... screen to receive them
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sebsel Jan: it makes sense for presentations, to share slides afterward
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sknebel_ used https://www.puck-js.com/
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sgreger beacon entirely programmed in javascript
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sknebel_ next alex
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sebsel alex-cio.de
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sknebel_ improved homepage. added h-card, improved layout, added other microformats (XFN, h-review)
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sebsel next is Amber
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sebsel https://amberwilson.co.uk/
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Loqi Amber Wilson
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sebsel Amber has a search function on her blog now, thanks to cweiske
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Zegnat Pro skills: bring notes to demos. Amber is definitely leaving us in the dust.
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sknebel_ added search via cweiske's phinde server
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sknebel_ Another pro tip: don't update your code between last test and demo
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Zegnat lol @ sknebel_
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sknebel_ I think adding an extra webmention link-rel confused sebsel validator, which is my wms failed
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sebsel She moved her blog from /blog.html to /blog/
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Zegnat Developer environment: MAMP
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sknebel_ also added redirects to fix links to old posts (due to new links having no file extensions and https)
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Zegnat hosting https://www.siteground.com/ (might warrant a check?)
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sebsel She demo's websignin now
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sknebel_ (on indiewebify.me)
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sebsel And she added h-card and h-entry
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sknebel_ and went through the steps there. websigning, microformats, sent first ever webmention
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sebsel \o/
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sebsel she shows her post on Adactio.com
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sebsel next is sgreger
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sebsel https://sebastiangreger.net/
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@jkphl .@ambrwlsn90 doing her 1st @indiewebcamp demoes. HTTPS/site search/redirects/@microformats/webmentions — quite some… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/866310997207863296 (twitter.com/_/status/866310997207863296)
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sebsel he redesigned his feedbackloop
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sknebel_ redesigned his "feedback loop", to more get away from twitter
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Zegnat What is feedback loop?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "feedback loop" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sebsel I think he means here: people coming back to his site.
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sebsel Also: comment display
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sebsel he now shows his dev server with the changes
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sebsel he does not show contents of tweets anymore, only a link to the tweet.
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sknebel_ twitter replies don't show up as replies, are only linked in "facepile" (but remember, his facepiles are pixelated
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sknebel_ when logged in, twitter replies are shown, faces not pixelated
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sknebel_ feedback still available for him ,but not published
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Zegnat displaying faces has no relavence, according to him
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sknebel_ also his own "like-button" on the page, which just increases a "kudos counter"
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sknebel_ ... and then asks if the user wants to leave a comment, either as a private message or a public comment
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sebsel it's also a matter of not displaying other people's content, avoiding copyright and related laws.
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sknebel_ added weekly and monthly newsletter as syndication target to publishing ui
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sebsel the annual one he likes to do manually
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sebsel next up Rene
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sebsel http://rene.tk/
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Loqi René Breckner
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Zegnat Ah, the one with the dangerous TLD? ;)
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sgreger by "feedback loop" i mean what probably more correctly would be named "backfeed mechanics" ;)
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Zegnat Ah, makes sense, thanks sgreger!
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sebsel Rene had troubles with PHP, now shows his work on IndieWebify.me
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sebsel "when my boss wants to see something cool, I start using jQuery"
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sknebel_ rene.tk now has a meowing indiewebcat
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sknebel_ we profoundly apologize to zegnats ears?
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Zegnat *loud meow echos through the room*
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Zegnat No, not bad
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Zegnat This was not into the microphone :p
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sebsel Next is Leo
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sgreger of getpop.org
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sebsel did some work on Pop
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Zegnat https://github.com/zordius/lightncandy
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Loqi [zordius] lightncandy: An extremely fast PHP implementation of handlebars ( http://handlebarsjs.com/ ) and mustache ( http://mustache.github.io/ ),
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sknebel_ next is calum ryan
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sebsel https://calumryan.com
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Zegnat jkphl and his adapters needed to connect things again
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cweiske aaron's actually
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sknebel_ calum tried to do overview evaluation of indieweb tech
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sknebel_ explaining components for non-devs
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sgreger plans to start working on a website that helps generate interest and understanding of the technologies
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sknebel_ inspiration from gov.uk
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sgreger created a first prototype for that site
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Zegnat (Good place to take inspiration from.)
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sknebel_ first version on github somewhere
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sgreger help people understand what it means
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sgreger could be open sourced and contributed to as to the wiki, but with other content
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Zegnat Currently at https://calumryan.github.io/indieweb/
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sgreger based on jekyll
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sknebel_ next is julie
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sebsel https://julieannenoying.com/
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sgreger calums work is kind of a spin-off from jeremy's "evaluating technologies" workshop last week
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sgreger spin-off/continuation
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sebsel she fixed her webmention-instagram problem
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sknebel_ julie made lots of coffee. also worked on her portfolio. fixed webmentions for instagram comments
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sebsel she also took pictures
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sebsel online around midnight
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sknebel_ next adactio
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sknebel_ photos from ownyourswarm didn't show up
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sknebel_ now tries to checkin to IWC...
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sebsel now tries to checkin to the local HWC
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sebsel he just rethroned Joschi as mayor :P
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sknebel_ also added map to checkins
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sebsel https://adactio.com/notes/12310 it worked!
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sgreger added cc license to photos
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sknebel_ with u-license property
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sknebel_ also added JSONFeed to his site
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sgreger jsonfeed.org
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sknebel_ what is jsonfeed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "jsonfeed" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat “It is XML but it is JSON”
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Zegnat Did adactio just say that? :p
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cweiske jsonfeed is jsonfeed.org
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Loqi ok
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sebsel next is Aaronpk
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sebsel fixed some OwnYourSwarm things
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sknebel_ ownyourswarm now sends pictures with filenames (that was jeremys bug?)
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sknebel_ improved connection from geotracking to web serve (now push instead of poll)
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sebsel He changed the widget of 'last thing I ate' to 'last checkin'
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sknebel_ on top of homepage last food was replaced by last checking
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sknebel_ with blue dot!
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Zegnat filters checkins from his homepage if they do not have pictures
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sebsel which means he's still there.
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sknebel_ map for checkin zooms in on hover
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sknebel_ (scroll by moving to center?)
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Zegnat zoom the map depending on how close the cursor is to the center
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Zegnat looks like it
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sknebel_ so country-level can quickly be seen by default, zooming in show detail
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Zegnat idea stolen from Flickr, zoom at 3 levels (country, city, block)
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sknebel_ changed background of homepage to map of current location
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sebsel and since he tracks that.. it's always up to date.
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sebsel light goes on!
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sebsel demo's over
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Zegnat Lights still off here :p
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Zegnat On
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sebsel next event: in Portland
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sebsel next in Germany: Berlin in november
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sebsel applause for Joschi
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Zegnat hopes to enjoy everyone’s company in Berlin in November, where he is trying to get to fervently.
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sebsel and that's it for IWC Nürnberg :)
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Zegnat I should have had someone demo my gender page and watch them try to explain what everything meant. Darn. Haha
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Loqi haha
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Loqi totally
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jonnybarnes so greg broke my website
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jonnybarnes he made this reply: https://unrelenting.technology/replies/2017-05-20-22-49-20
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Loqi [Greg] nice. I wish my home ISP enabled IPv6 but they're a small company with likely old hardware…
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jonnybarnes and the published property can be seen here: https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Funrelenting.technology%2Freplies%2F2017-05-20-22-49-20
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jonnybarnes its `2017-05-20T22:49:20.652843318Z`
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jonnybarnes that breaks carbon (the php package I use for dates/times)
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jonnybarnes Exception with message 'DateTime::__construct(): Failed to parse time string (2017-05-20T22:49:20.652843318) at position 0 (2): The timezone could not be found in the database'
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Zegnat Is it a known bug with Carbon?
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Zegnat Ah, it is not a Carbon problem, it is a DateTime problem
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jonnybarnes sorry copied the wrong error
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jonnybarnes there’s a Z at the end of the string
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Zegnat I think this was discussed here yesterday? DateTime has problems with the fractional seconds precision?
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jonnybarnes hmmm
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Zegnat jonnybarnes, discussion starts here: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-05-20#t1495319021905000
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Loqi [GWG] I feel like I'm missing something obvious. Does this time string look wrong to anyone: 2017-05-16T15:06:01.133934073Z
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GWG Exactly the same person and issue
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jonnybarnes yeah, I’ve only just started looking into the issue
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sl007 aaronpk : Do you reveal that mapzoom trick ? ;)
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@sl007 Ich mag das @YouTube-Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMarpPSodk8&feature=youtu.be&a= Demos - IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2017 (twitter.com/_/status/866322538569191424)
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Zegnat sl007, look for mapzoom in https://aaronparecki.com/assets/script.js
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Zegnat 3 different zoomlevels are set on the map based on cursor offset
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Zegnat Sorry, map-zoom if you want to search in the file
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aaronpk It's just three images and setting display:none on two of them at a time
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sl007 Zegnat was it an OpenStreetMap ?
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sl007 aaronpk: I see, where did the map come from ? (just did tiny OSM maps for the card web components yesterday)
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Zegnat GWG, I added descriptive blurbs (from the genderbread-model) to my gender page. Hoping to make this more clear for people when they end up on that page. http://vanderven.se/martijn/gender/
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sknebel_ sl007: aaronpk usually uses atlas.p3k.io for this stuff
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aaronpk Yep exactly
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aaronpk it just stitches together the appropriate map tiles
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sknebel_ and sebsel refresh aaronparecki.com to see the background move
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sl007 That looks pretty useful. sknebel_ do you mean the map as background picture ? Just realized that. Awesome.
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sknebel_ yeah, that's what we are looking at
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Zegnat aaronpk, did you add any geofencing to the background and/or zoomlevel? To keep from leaking e.g. your home address?
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aaronpk It's only accurate to 2 decimal places
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Zegnat Gotcha, thanks for clarifying
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GWG Zegnat, I will be reading up to become better informed.
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Zegnat If you want to chat about it, or have specific questions re my gender page, hit me up in the chat channel! (Or in private, if you prefer.)
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GWG Zegnat: I'll wait till I have read it and have questions.
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sl007 just btw : currently using OpenStreetMaps for the web components, this function https://gist.github.com/sebilasse/2d6c72d7db5033d09d6c9a2e386cd713 it would parse a map for either coordinates or addresses
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/866210737689174017
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@Pinboard From the outside, front end development in 2017 looks pathologically overcomplicated. Is this a fair perception? If so, why is it happening? (twitter.com/_/status/866210737689174017)
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[kevinmarks] Thread is interesting
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jonnybarnes done a temporary workaround for php failing to parse timestamps in comment replies
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Zegnat Officially added pronouns to my h-card.
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jonnybarnes Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 41 karma in this channel (47 overall)
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myfreeweb Zegnat: oh, when did u-pronoun become a thing? i remember p-x-pronoun-nominative p-x-pronoun-oblique p-x-pronoun-possessive
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@sfeldeu another wonderful day at #indiewebcamp - didn't make it to the demos - looking for solutions finding questions - leaves much work for HBWC (twitter.com/_/status/866336119851540480)
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Zegnat myfreeweb, it became a thing today when I decided to use it
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Zegnat Documentation for my choice coming up after dinner
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j4y_funabashi evening all
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myfreeweb Zegnat: yeah, interesting. i guess the "x-" should be dropped. but not specifying which one is which makes it less useful for making UI strings like "wrote their post"
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[kevinmarks] Thoughts on how pronoun markup would work in other languages would be really helpful too
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@walterebert Worked on updating the webstats tool for my site at #IndieWebCamp Nuremberg. Looks I might write a new one. (twitter.com/_/status/866347440156422144)
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Zegnat myfreeweb, [kevinmarks], I am not fully done with dinner, but here are some of my thoughts: http://wiki.zegnat.net/microformats/pronoun
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@jkphl Final post-#IndieWebCamp beers — digesting 2 very constructive days. Thanks y'all for being here! +@adactio… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/866351965055397889 (twitter.com/_/status/866351965055397889)
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@krautsource Neu in meinem Blog: Mein IndieWebCamp 2.0 http://www.krautsource.info/mein-indiewebcamp-2-0/ (twitter.com/_/status/866353410244845569)
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@feesable this looks great - especially impressed that the ticket price is only a tenner. talk about open! #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/865683309128450049 (twitter.com/_/status/866367658135912449)
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Zegnat Does anyone here speak Esperanto? I have a question re pronouns
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GWG Zegnat: People still speak Esperanto? The last time I mentioned it, I got blank stares
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Zegnat Haha, well, I don’t, but I was wondering how their pronouns work. It might be a language that wouldn’t fit in the 3-forms format that is in use currently
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Loqi rofl
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GWG Zegnat: Due confusion, I'm thinking of just saying "Hey You" to everyone
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Zegnat That’s very Swedish!
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Zegnat We called upon our teachers with “hey you [name]” if we wanted their attention while working on things. “Hej du, GWG!”
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GWG I rarely use people's names in direct address.
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GWG But, what does one do when consuming pronoun markup
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[kevinmarks] I was more worried about German and cases than espéranto.
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[kevinmarks] Or Asian rising and falling modes
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Zegnat Esperanto seemed to use suffixes a lot, which is just another language that might invalidate the current 3-classes-for-pronouns. There doesn’t seem to be a fixed possessive pronoun. It is just adding the suffix -a or -aj (depending on… something) to the actual personal pronoun.
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Zegnat I wanted to document the Esperanto case, but need confirmation if it really works how I understood it
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], yes, I mention German on my mini-write-up
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Zegnat http://wiki.zegnat.net/microformats/pronoun
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Zegnat GWG, plainly speaking, I don’t think pronouns are a good case for software consumption. Especially with current mf2 parsing where you are not even sure what language the pronouns are in.
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GWG I thought ben_thatmustbeme had the only interesting thing I saw when he had it consume "His Lordship"
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Zegnat You could easily end up with “Martijn wrote the following in *hans* post:” if I chose to only serve Swedish pronouns on my page.
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Zegnat Added Esperanto to my write-up, as unconfirmed. [kevinmarks], if you know about pronouns for Asian languages please do comment.
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Zegnat sebsel might be able to comment on Japanese pronouns.
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[kevinmarks] I'm not sure about third person ones; I know that 2nd person are even tricker than German/french
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Zegnat Also, ping gRegorLove and acegiak. Both include pronouns, if you have the time, could you review http://wiki.zegnat.net/microformats/pronoun ?
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[jeremycherfas] Zegnat: I have asked a knowledgeable friend about Esperanto. Will let you know what he says.
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Zegnat Much appreciated, [jeremycherfas]!
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[jeremycherfas] You know that the form "hen" has other connotations in Scottish dialect?
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Zegnat No…?
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Zegnat Would love to learn though, [jeremycherfas]
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[jeremycherfas] It's basically a female term of endearment, sometimes used to men too.
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Zegnat Oh, interesting
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Zegnat I should probably add little language labels to the pronouns then, so the Scotts will know that hen is meant for Swedish use
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aaronpk whoops! now that i am sending my location to my website in realtime, i just broke the rate limits of the weather api i'm using
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aaronpk so, guess i'm implementing rate limiting on that api before i go to bed
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Zegnat sebsel, we need a linguist on this http://wiki.zegnat.net/microformats/pronoun and if you know how Japanese would fit (or not fit!) in nominative/oblique/possessive that would be even sweeter. (No hurries if you are heading for bed.)
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sebsel I don't know how much I qualify as a linguist nowadays, and I was heading for bed actually, but I'll come back to it!
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Zegnat Thanks, have a good night
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@iwontsignuphere yay, finally uploaded today's @indiewebcamp pics! thanks everyone for being awesome <3 http://flic.kr/s/aHsm18juWz @tollwerk @nueww (twitter.com/_/status/866428569471397889)
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@martijnvdven @iwontsignuphere @indiewebcamp @tollwerk @nueww Was looking forward to seeing these, nice job as always! Big thanks from up North. (twitter.com/_/status/866431223224299520)
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miklb reading the logs, sounds like IWC was a success.
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