#indieweb 2017-06-26

2017-06-26 UTC
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Zegnat
shows of a bookmark he made, which now shows a map and location beneith
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Zegnat
every post can now have a location
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Zegnat
and there were bug fixes
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[kevinmarks]
he'd be Ben Rogers, not Huckleberry Finn
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Zegnat
applause for the bugfixes
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Zegnat
birdgy creator officially endorses the wp bridgy plugin updates
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snarfed
GWG++ for integrating bridgy signup into wordpress!
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Loqi
gwg has 213 karma in this channel (243 overall)
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gRegorLove
next up Michelle JK
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gRegorLove
gives up typing
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Zegnat
someone is fangirling
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Zegnat
anomalily? :p
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GWG
[kevinmarks]: It's been a long time since I read Twain.
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Zegnat
slowly learns to recognise voices
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Zegnat
rebuilt her site
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Zegnat
much is hardcoded
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tantek
phew that was hard and barely got it done. ended up finding and fixing several longstanding bugs in Falcon, including referring to the wrong CSS file from my home page
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Zegnat
starts to use some of the new microformats she has learned about
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[kevinmarks]
hardcode it till it hurts
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Zegnat
on the old site you can’t hit refresh
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KartikPrabhu
that is a cool site design
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Zegnat
(JS navigation?)
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gRegorLove
michellejl.com is her domain, demoing on localhost
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Zegnat
on the new site you can go to a page, hit refresh, and stay on the page
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gRegorLove
... demos responsiveness
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Zegnat
“did all of the responsivy things”
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Zegnat
recorded all the events and hackathons she has been too
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Zegnat
did her portfolio
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Zegnat
got the contact form to work to send her an email
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Zegnat
(did it without PHP? What?)
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[kevinmarks]
nice contrast on that site
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Zegnat
(I have many questions)
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: convey my appreciation " that is a cool site design"
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gRegorLove
Node NPM mailer
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gRegorLove
(for Michelle)
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Zegnat
switched form PHP to node, gotcha
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Zegnat
questions answered!
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gRegorLove
next up Jean Macdonald
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Zegnat
welltempered.net
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Zegnat
oposite of what she says she would do yesterday
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Zegnat
did not work on micro.blog css
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Zegnat
got fascinated with wordpress
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[anomalily]
@zegnat I am loud enough that usually my voice is one of the first recognitions that come.
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Zegnat
yesterday she had nothing, today she has a site
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Zegnat
things she never knew existed works with this now
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Zegnat
one goal was to be able to login to the wiki
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Zegnat
and she can do that now
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Zegnat
[anomalily], might be true, but as good as I am with remembering 8 year old URLs, that is how bad I am with voices, faces, and names
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Zegnat
will continue posting to micro.blog
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Zegnat
will try to mirror the posts
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Zegnat
micro.blog uses a 280 character limit
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Zegnat
started a macroblog on her wordpress for “standard-length”
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Zegnat
(I want code!)
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Zegnat
( gRegorLove get me a code ;) )
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: I didn't have much time today with two sick kids and a sick wife, but I was able to push a bug fix to microformats-ruby parser, and release a new version
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Zegnat
next up werd.io
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gRegorLove
invalid command. jk
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@jimpick
My hack project at the IndieWeb Summit: Control a fleet of of hypercored instances with a dat archive! @mafintoshhttps://twitter.com/i/web/status/879129110148075520
(twitter.com/_/status/879129110148075520)
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Zegnat
does not look at his 1572 notifications
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Zegnat
dies a little inside
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Zegnat
did a bunch of invisible things
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Zegnat
javascript updates, order of webmention replies
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Zegnat
fixed events to better display RSVP and order them
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Zegnat
fixed incoming webmentions for RSVP
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Zegnat
needed, but kind of dull
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Zegnat
used this same site theme for a long time
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Zegnat
people complained about known not having enough themes
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Zegnat
decided to build his own theme (called romana)
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Zegnat
It is yellow background with hot pink
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Zegnat
askewed boxed
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Zegnat
squickly underlines on links
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KartikPrabhu
<my eyes my eyes>
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Zegnat
style was not allowed to look like any social network
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Zegnat
[anomalily] asked for the CSS behind the link underlines
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Zegnat
even the admin UI is skewed!
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Zegnat
but not hotpink! BOOOOO
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Zegnat
admin is green on the yellow
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Zegnat
the hot pink of the theme also hides his red notifications counter
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Zegnat
all the old plugins still work, including chicken!
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Zegnat
aaronpk next up
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Zegnat
hopes not to start a feedback loop
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Zegnat
(all is fine on vidyo)
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Zegnat
his micro.blog was not updating, but it wasn’t his bug
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KartikPrabhu
(same on youtube)
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Zegnat
manton fixed it over the weekend
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Zegnat
so his posts go to micro.blog again
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Zegnat
no photos yet, but he expects that is his fault
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Zegnat
(something about RSS being imported not having the photos)
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Zegnat
had grant plans but almost nothing is completely done
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benwerd
anomalily: the CSS is just text-decoration: underline; text-decoration-style: wavy; text-decoration-color: red;
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Zegnat
nice start to a way for interacting with posts from within quill
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benwerd
(Yes, they built this into the web)
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Zegnat
when he is on e.g. benwerd's site, he can already click a button on a bookmarklet to reply
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Zegnat
but he wants a better interface for that
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Zegnat
creates 1 bookmarklet that shows other people’s posts within quill
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Zegnat
and then have one click buttons for actions
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Zegnat
got as far as to show a parsed post
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Zegnat
Slim Application Error
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Zegnat
also started on posting photos as an album on his website (instead of on Flickr)
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Zegnat
he has support, but creation is awkward
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[anomalily]
I did not know that text-decoration-style: wavy was a thing but now I am in love
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Zegnat
when he posts a photo it will always create a post in /photos
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KartikPrabhu
you monsters! with all this wavy text-decoration stuff!
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Zegnat
does not want all the individual photos to show up in any feeds when he is making an album out of them
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Zegnat
did most of the work
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Zegnat
didn’t launch it yet, only tested locally
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Zegnat
photo on /all that is not on /photos
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Zegnat
did a lot of small bug fixes for various tools otherwise
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Zegnat
not a lot of visible things
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Zegnat
effects propagated elsewhere
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Loqi
[aaronpk] #64 Create API to retrieve RSVPs
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[anomalily]
It's gonna be amazing @kartikprabhu
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[anomalily]
You will love it.
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[anomalily]
it's gonna go in my webring link
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Zegnat
let me demo?! :D
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Zegnat
hahaha
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Loqi
rofl
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KartikPrabhu
[anomalily]: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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gRegorLove
KartikPrabhu: We're going to make it blinking wavy underlines just for you
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[anomalily]
I will also add a <blink> tag
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schmarty
??.ws now supports https://??.ws
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snarfed
Zegnat++ big round of virtual applause for note taking during demos too!!!
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Loqi
zegnat has 55 karma in this channel (82 overall)
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snarfed
and for wiki gardening!
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[cleverdevil]
schmarty oh, nice, how did LetsEncrypt feel about it?
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Loqi
zegnat has 56 karma in this channel (83 overall)
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schmarty
it loved it
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@jimpick
My hack project at the IndieWeb Summit: Control a fleet of of hypercored instances with a dat archive! @mafintoshhttps://twitter.com/i/web/status/879131377593008128
(twitter.com/_/status/879131377593008128)
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schmarty
LetsEncrypt is so good
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[cleverdevil]
LetsEncrypt++
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Loqi
letsencrypt has 11 karma in this channel (15 overall)
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gRegorLove
Zegnat demoing his new homepage
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gRegorLove
... Getting in touch, TMI, Other identities columns
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gRegorLove
... everything microformatted
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gRegorLove
... shows php.microformats.io parse of it
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gRegorLove
... entire website is an h-card
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gRegorLove
... 2 h-adr embedded
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gRegorLove
... current timezone
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gRegorLove
... nickname, gender-identity, relationship status, interested-in
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gRegorLove
... a lot of urls, 2 telephone numbers, pronouns,
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gRegorLove
... bday exact to the minute
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gRegorLove
... only missing microformat to mark up languages he speaks
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gRegorLove
... might just have to invent the mf2
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KartikPrabhu
zegnat: your birthday coutdown should also be to the minute
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tantek
any other remote demos?
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GWG
I have my birth weight and size online
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GWG
As well as time of birth
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Zegnat
Smart GWG, I should add those
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gRegorLove
end of demos
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GWG
Zegnat: It's a birthday post
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GWG
So, not in the h-card
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[kevinmarks]
I'm remote but have no demos
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GWG
It's sort of an easter egg
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Zegnat
Well, my h-card has a too much information column ;)
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Zegnat
snarfed what is "elder"?
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snarfed
Zegnat: person who's been active for a while...?
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snarfed
i'm open to a better name :P
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Zegnat
Oh, interesting
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Zegnat
Not sure how I feel about the data being linked to vanderven.se though, but guess you normalise to root domain
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snarfed
"active" maybe. shrug.
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KartikPrabhu
"grant overlords"
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Zegnat
crazypeople?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Four years ago, I came to this event to demo something called Idno. Four years later, Known is such a great community. I'm really proud to" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 http://werd.io/2017/four-years-ago-i-came-to-this-event-to-demo
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Zegnat
there is virtual HWC!
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Zegnat
Everyone talk to me on wednesday :D
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Zegnat
I’d like to thank everyone who has been making this great to remote into! Mozilla, tantek, and aaronpk, especially :) Hope to see as many of you in person some time soon.
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Zegnat
[anomalily], what is this about skyping into kareoke? ;)
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snarfed
asks her
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snarfed
and thank you too again zegnat! you give remote attendees a good name :P
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Zegnat
those ceiling mics are awesome, hahahaha
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Zegnat
but yes, I will go to bed :D
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snarfed
lily says "martijn go to bed!" :P
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Zegnat
If anyone wants my bday code, poke me tomorrow
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Zegnat
bows out. Good night all!
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Zegnat
secretly first goes to capture these chat notes onto the wiki
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Loqi
zegnat has 57 karma in this channel (84 overall)
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ben_thatmustbeme
Snarfed, my small amount of work tonight was but good release of the Ruby parser
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ben_thatmustbeme
Just caught back on the live feed, seems demos are done
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dougbeal|iOS
Zegnat: ++ what time is the virtual? And is it on the wiki?
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Loqi
zegnat has 58 karma in this channel (85 overall)
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Zegnat
when is next-hwc?
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2017-06-28 at Starbucks Sony-Center https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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Zegnat
hides before [anomalily] sees he is still out of bed
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dougbeal|iOS
0/
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KartikPrabhu
Zegnat: I'll take over for [anomalily] and tell you to go to bed! ;)
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Zegnat
just 10 more minutes!
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Zegnat
I almost cleaned up the log xD
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KartikPrabhu
10 minutes until Zegnat sleeps
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-06-25 9:06pm EDT (#6034)
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KartikPrabhu
!tell j12t do you have any particular colour scheme in mind for indietech.rocks? or I can make one up
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
that's weird
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@martijnvdven
Was explicitly told to go to bed by @anomalily, but I had to publish notes from #indieweb #iws2017 first … https://indieweb.org/2017/Demos
(twitter.com/_/status/879143042472701952)
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Zegnat
Now I will honestly go sleep ;)
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Zegnat
Have a good one KartikPrabhu! Everyone else!
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[jeanmacdonald]
I hope everyone comes to karaoke. I'm already here with my Ladies Rock Camp group. I'll join you when you get here. You can start picking your songs at vbsongs.com
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Loqi
Zegnat sleeps
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dougbeal|iOS
I'm on the bus and inbound
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GWG
I am on the MAX and outbound
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "When people around you try to do XSS on the karaoke web app in the booth, it's probably an after party of a geek event." by Sebastian Kippe on 2017-06-26 https://updates.kip.pe/2017/when-people-around-you-try-to-do-xss-on-the
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "IndieWeb Karaoke ??" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-06-26 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/indieweb-karaoke
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sknebel
good morning Indieweb!
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GWG
Morning
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@macgenie
Super fun to do nerd karaoke with a whole new bunch of nerd friends. #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/cleverdevil/status/879165130461913088
(twitter.com/_/status/879166663475593217)
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lordabdul
hey there -- I'm adding support for IndieAuth/Micropub to some project of mine, but I'm struggling to figure out a good local development setup to work with
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lordabdul
The ngrok recommendation on the Indieweb site works, but unless I'm missing something it doesn't seem very practical since every time you re-run ngrok you get a different hostname unless you get a paid account
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[asteres]
any advice on testing webmentions? indiewebify.me said there is a way to do it in curl but I don't see it on the wiki
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lordabdul
is there a way to setup a "fake" auth/token server that just returns some token that works for `localhost` type addresses?
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[asteres]
ah, perfect
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sknebel
lordabdul: using indieauth.com as a auth endpoint for localhost works, I think the matching token endpoint (tokens.indieauth.com) should also work, since they don't have to connect to the site
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sknebel
well, I guess the micropub client has to be able to connect to it
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sknebel
unless you use a locally running one as well
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lordabdul
sknebel : I don't think it works, since one of those 2 has to read your header and find what to authenticate with (PGP, Twitter, etc.)
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lordabdul
I can run Quill locally yeah
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sknebel
lordabdul: not of the site that you log in to
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lordabdul
oh so you're saying I'm testing `localhost:1234`, but I log in to Quill as `my.domain.com`?
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lordabdul
but Quill will be looking for the Micropub endpoint on `my.domain.com` though -- unless there's a way to tell it to use `localhost:1234/micropub`
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sknebel
you could just put up a static page somewhere that as a rel=micropub of localhost
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sknebel
I'm trying to remember what my test setup looked like...
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lordabdul
Ah yes a random static page on my domain worked! thanks.
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lordabdul
if you remember your test setup please post it though :)
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GWG
Tom Sawyering is now a thing?
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GWG
kylewm!!
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@anomalily
I cannot really define how epic karaoke with a bunch of #indieweb folks was, but I will leave you with this https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/879207993128112128/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/879207993128112128)
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kylewm
hey GWG :)
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GWG
Long time no speak. Glad to see you
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kylewm
you too! did you sing at karaoke?
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GWG
kylewm: I wish I could have gone.
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GWG
I had to schlep 2 big suitcases to the airport.
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kylewm
ohh AV stuff?
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GWG
kylewm: No...business trip starting in the morning
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GWG
I needed to bring clothes for it and such
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "You know it was an awesome Indieweb Summit for WordPress, when you log in and see all these awesome updates! Congratulations and Thank You to Matthias Pfefferle, David Shanske, Ryan Barrett, Michael Bishop, Asher Silberman, Brandon Kraft, Lillian Karabaic and all of the others in the Indieweb community who provided the setting, conversation, thinking, and &#8230; Continue reading """ by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-26 http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/25/awesome-indieweb-updates-for-wordpress/
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GWG
Ineed to read that one
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GWG
kylewm: I hope we'll see more of you soon.
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kylewm
I'll try!
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GWG
kylewm: Anything you are itching about lately?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • April 15th – 21st, 2017" by Douglas Beal on 2017-06-26 https://dougbeal.com/2017/06/26/this-week-in-the-indieweb-audio-edition-%e2%80%a2-april-15th-21st-2017/
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kylewm
Maybe the least exciting thing ever. I was tired of getting an email for every error from Woodwind, so I set up sentry for error tracking/aggregation
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GWG
That canbe exciting
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@Kraft
Any new ‘like’ webmention to my site will be given a ‘like’ custom comment type and displayed in a facepile. Rough for now. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/879213839350464512)
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GWG
I'd like to see that code
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Not quite true that some content types won't work on @Medium. Embedmaker lets you embed your own site: https://embedmaker.com/ #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-06-24 http://werd.io/2017/not-quite-true-that-some-content-types-wont-work-on
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb! Ready for another day or still a bit hungover? ?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "http://www.andy-j-miller.com/ being held up as an example of a great personal website. It's beautiful. Inspiringly organic. #indieweb" on 2017-06-24 http://werd.io/2017/-j-millercom-being-held-up-as-an-example-of-a-great
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tantek
should be asleep but can't until he finishes coding POSSEing an event post to Twitter
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Zegnat
Did anyone do a "sing" for post yesterday? Cf. listen posts.
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Zegnat
I should fix events today, need an indie event for HWC. Thanks for inspiring tantek!
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gRegorLove
Good evening, indieweb.
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Loqi
agreed.
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gRegorLove
I missed the kylewm sighting!
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KartikPrabhu
everyone go to bed!
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tantek
did we catch it on video?
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Zegnat
KartikPrabhu is it my turn to send you to bed yet?
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KartikPrabhu
Zegnat: it would have been 2 hours ago. too late now :P
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sknebel
What time is it for KartikPrabhu?
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Loqi
In KartikPrabhu's timezone, America/New_York, it is currently 3:18am on June 26
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tantek
can't find a decent emoji for event (the "17" calendar day is too specific), decides to just use "Event: "
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Zegnat
That's a big flaw with the calendar emoji, yes
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Zegnat
Oh, I totally forgot to show off my emoji clock! On my personal site and updates every half hour.
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gRegorLove
Ha! Awesome
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[cleverdevil]
Gah! Left my power brick at Mozilla ?
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sknebel
TIL there are clock emojis/unicode symbols
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sknebel
(are they emojis?)
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[cleverdevil]
Looks like I'm slumming it on my phone until I get back to LA, unless there is a store that sells them at PDX
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Zegnat
There are four every hour and half hour, sknebel. No clue why.
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[cleverdevil]
Aaaand it's time for bed for me. Later!
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KartikPrabhu
!tell j12t: I tried to make a logo for indietech.rocks https://kartikprabhu.com/static/demo/indietech.html
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat
[cleverdevil] oh no!
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tantek
[cleverdevil] when is your flight?
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tantek
[cleverdevil] taking it to -chat
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tantek
is trying very hard to resist staying up even later coding things like hashtag POSSEing
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gRegorLove
tantek: I sent you a "no" rsvp to your indie event, for more test cases :)
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tantek
I'm confused why more are not showing up in webmention.io
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gRegorLove
tantek++ for indie event posts btw,know that's been on your list for a while
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Loqi
tantek has 218 karma in this channel (355 overall)
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tantek
though I know benwerd also RSVP no, and [kevinmarks] too
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tantek
(per their sites)
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tantek
so I don't know why webmention.io is not picking those up
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tantek
Also I had a great brainstorm while at Prasad with benwerd for...
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Zegnat
Is the services overloaded? They could be stuck in queue. Though really it shouldn't be this many hours in queue, ever
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tantek
RSVP via @-replying to tweet POSSE copy!
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gRegorLove
That sounds awesome
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tantek
e.g. if someone replies to the POSSE tweet for my event post with "@t RSVP:Yes"
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tantek
and Bridgy backfeeds that to me
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tantek
then I can parse for that and treat it as an RSVP!
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tantek
and if that microsyntax gets any traction, we can consider feature requesting Bridgy to parse of it and turn it into an RSVP response on the Bridgy side
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tantek
we're pretty sure no one has previously done Event + RSVP via Twitter before
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tantek
so this would be an indieweb-only feature that uses Twitter for functionality that Twitter itself doesn't have!
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tantek
let's see if this POSSE works at all first
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@t
Event: Homebrew Website Club SF At: 2017-06-28 17:30 @MozSF More: http://tantek.com/e/4p51
(twitter.com/_/status/879242196284735488)
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tantek
I even hacked up a venue table of URL -> @-name
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tantek
so if the venue p-location (either by URL or name) has an entry in the table with an equivalent Twitter profile, then my POSSE code substitutes that @-name for a shorter POSSE tweet, and one that links to the venue's profile which hopefully has more information about the venue
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tantek
one more test, can I still post normal notes :)
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Zegnat
tantek++ for keeping it going when everyone had give to sleep.
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Loqi
tantek has 219 karma in this channel (356 overall)
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Zegnat
Finally allowed to go to bed now, tantek?
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tantek
Zegnat, I had to implement the POSSE to Twitter custom code for events
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tantek
otherwise I would be stuck not being able to post anything else ?
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tantek
as suspected, now debugging a post after an event
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Amazing #IndieWeb Summit 2017 demos! I finally implemented minimum viable events in @Falcon: tantek.com/2017/179/e1/homebrew-website-club" on 2017-06-26 http://tantek.com/2017/177/t1/indieweb-summit-minimum-viable-events
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@t
Amazing #IndieWeb Summit 2017 demos! I finally implemented minimum viable events in @Falcon: http://tantek.com/2017/179/e1/homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4p31)
(twitter.com/_/status/879247668807163904)
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tantek
ok then posting other stuff (like a note) after posting an event (that's in the future!) still works!
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Zegnat
yeey!
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tantek
and with that, now I can go to sleep, knowing that I have *plenty* of incremental enhancement in the future to add to my minimum viable events implementation. For now I can post events, semi-auto-POSSE them to Twitter (with some @-venue smarts!), and collect responses/RSVPs via webmention.io until figure out how to use it, or write a direct webmention receiving handler
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tantek
good night!
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Loqi
sweet dreams
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[markmhendrickso
plan man after my own heart ? night tantek
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petermolnar
Loqi, please give me a summary of IWS
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cweiske
Loqi, I'd also like that
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Zegnat
petermolnar, cweiske, how long would you like this summary to be? Ballpark?
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cweiske
a blog post would be nice
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cweiske
hey, maybe there are blogposts already
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petermolnar
one sentence per topic?
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Zegnat
writes semi-snarky one-liners for every thing
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cweiske
the demo page in the wiki is nice and helpful
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Zegnat
Yeah. That one will get fixed up later today when I sit down and rewrite it into running text rather than IRC lines
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "A few days ago, in part based on something that [Richard MacManus wrote](https://richardmacmanus.com/2017/06/22/openness-rivers-indieweb/) (and which may have prompted @scripting's response), I noticed that Inoreader differentiates" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-26 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/a-few-days-ago-in-part-based-on-something-that
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petermolnar
\o/ Loqi, thank Zegnat for this
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Zegnat
sebsel, I expect you will look at the demos either way, but Basti showed some really cool strava work!
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petermolnar
finds yet another folder in his mailbox with archived RSS entried where images still work but the site it down o.O
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Zegnat
Is that just because people remove their CMS but leave sub directories in place or something?
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sebsel
Zegnat: I will watch them back later today! Excited and curious about the strava thing!
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Zegnat
j_juran do you identify yourself as jjuran.org or metamage.com for personal site purposes?
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petermolnar
I'm guessing shared hosting, upgraded versions, broken pages
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j_juran
Zegnat: I auth with jjuran.org. I intend to move personal things to it.
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j_juran
Also, I’m really jjuran, but I didn’t bring my Freenode creds with me
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Zegnat
Just so I know where I will link to on the wiki. You don’t seem to have a user page, for people without a user page I link to their domain
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petermolnar
heh, the Python Markdown lib can parse email headers as meta with the built-in ''markdown.extensions.meta'
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petermolnar
it does, however, seem to include it in the text as well, which is not great
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Checked into Mozilla Portland" by Sebastian Kippe on 2017-06-25 https://updates.kip.pe/2017/checked-into-mozilla-portland-1
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Zegnat
!tell strugee nice running into you outside or prism-break btw!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Kommentar zu Kontakt von Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-26 https://notiz.blog/kontakt/#comment-785970
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sknebel
*d'oh* Loqi
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Finished upgrading my hosted #owncloud to @nextclouders #nextcloud instead - looking good so far :) #indieweb #ownyourdata" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-06-25 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/finished-upgrading-my-hosted-owncloud-to-nextclouders-nextcloud-instead
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@SvenSeebeck
Reading up on on how to get started with Indieweb on WordPress. I already have Webmentions running for a couple ... https://svens.blog/2017/06/26/361158359/
(twitter.com/_/status/879290985477525504)
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@manton2
Looks like a lot of great work came out of IndieWeb Summit hacking yesterday. Watched some of the video and ... http://www.manton.org/2017/06/5383.html
(twitter.com/_/status/879339855318323200)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Leaving Portland" by David Shanske on 2017-06-26 https://david.shanske.com/2017/06/26/leaving-portland/
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dougbeal|iOS
Good PDT morning indieweb
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[markmhendrickso
mornin!
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[chrisaldrich]
Buenos días a todos
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[anomalily]
@zegnat I totally want your birthday code!
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GWG
[anomalily]: Do you want me to open the issue?
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GWG
Not that I'm doing it, just noting it
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Zegnat
[anomalily], you’ll have to wait a minute. I think you just made me find a bug in my code now that I was adding commentary to it :o
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@macgenie
#IndieWeb Summit was incredible. I so appreciate @mozilla hosting in their groovy offices. And @DreamHost sponsored… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/879366147417583616
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Zegnat
[anomalily], false alarm, I just copied the wrong thing. Here is my bday code, I should really clean it up and shorten it, but commentary should explain all: https://gist.github.com/Zegnat/cf911a6133830efdab3d6839b6918221
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[cleverdevil]
Just boarding my plane home. Thanks for a great IWS all! I'll be tinkering on https://?.ws on the way home, which is going to be for my grill and smoker ?
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GWG
[cleverdevil]: Have fun.
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Zegnat
safe travels [cleverdevil]
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@cleverdevil
I had an amazing time at #IWS2017. Excited for the future of the open web! #IndieWeb (https://cleverdevil.io/s/20A8vc)
(twitter.com/_/status/879369930705162240)
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@macgenie
Next Core Audio Geek karaoke is July 11. I hope @anomalily and @aaronpk from #indieweb will come. Be prepared for a… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/879372597749661696
(twitter.com/_/status/879372597749661696)
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GWG
Displaying time and timezone on your posts. Thoughts? Pro con....Discuss?
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Lillian Karabaic on Twitter: “I cannot really define how epic karaoke with a bunch of #indieweb folks was, but I will leave you with this https://t.co/fAPxVwuDlY”" by Douglas Beal on 2017-06-26 https://dougbeal.com/2017/06/26/lillian-karabaic-on-twitter-i-cannot-really-define-how-epic-karaoke-with-a-bunch-of-indieweb-folks-was-but-i-will-leave-you-with-this-httpst-cofapxvwudly/
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aaronpk
GWG: like in general? I show both the time and timezone of my posts, including articles, but it's kind of not super relevant for the articles so i'm reconsidering that
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GWG
aaronpk: I agree for articles. But for check-ins, notes, etc it can be
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aaronpk
yep definitely
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GWG
But most sites aren't granular with date presentation by post type
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "I had an amazing time at #IWS2017. Excited for the future of the open web! #IndieWeb" by Douglas Beal on 2017-06-26 https://dougbeal.com/2017/06/26/i-had-an-amazing-time-at-iws2017-excited-for-the-future-of-the-open-web-indieweb/
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dougbeal|iOS
What is vps
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Loqi
A Virtual Private Server (AKA VPS) is a level of webhosting service where you get root access to a virtual system and can install whatever you want https://indieweb.org/VPS
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GWG
Hi, dougbeal|iOS
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dougbeal|iOS
Hi GWG. Rain! Fortunately was inside having breakfast.
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GWG
I'm still inside too
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GWG
Heading to PDX on the hour
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GWG
Just taking a moment to push a plugin update
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dougbeal|iOS
Packing up, then I think I will check my roller so I don't have to worry about it
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GWG
dougbeal|iOS: If you are going to PDX...I'll be at D11 if you want to say hi
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dougbeal|iOS
I will be at Union Station Checking it on to Amtrak ?
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GWG
dougbeal|iOS: Okay. That works
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dougbeal|iOS
Have a safe ?
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Zegnat
GWG: I am a huge fan of seeing timezones because it gives an idea of location, but for posts that include separate location info I don’t think it is very necessary to show it at all.
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GWG
Interesting though
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GWG
thought
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Zegnat
Assuming you display the time as it is in the writer’s timezone, it gives a perfect idea of “time of day” (morning/midday/evening) without a timezone. The only thing the timezone adds is how far from Greenwich they are. But “9:45 in Portland, OR” is much more clear than “9:45 PDT” any day.
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sketchess
:D good morning / evening
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dougbeal|iOS
Greetings sketchess
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sketchess
greetings back :)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "第1012期机器学习日报(2017-06-26)" by ml on 2017-06-26 http://forum.ai100.com.cn/blog/thread/ml-2017-06-26/
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[cleverdevil]
Up in the air, and https://?.ws lives!
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[cleverdevil]
When I get home, I'll write some software to have my grill update its site via micropub during cooks.
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sketchess
what o.o
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sketchess
XD
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gRegorLove
[cleverdevil]: https security warning on that
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gRegorLove
Your grill is not secure!
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dougbeal|iOS
When is IWC Bellingham
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dougbeal|iOS
What is HWC
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/hwc
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dougbeal|iOS
When is HWC Bellingham
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Loqi
what
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gRegorLove
If any Portland indieweb-sketeers are still around, I'm hanging out at Peet's downtown on Washington
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[cleverdevil]
Hmm, my browser shows no security warnings.
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sketchess
How was the rest of the sunday, gRegorLove?
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[cleverdevil]
I'll check some more later.
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dougbeal|iOS
gRegorLove: ooh, for how long?
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[cleverdevil]
Damn Twitter isn't allowing me to enter emoji in its website field, so I will not be able to do relme auth,.
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gRegorLove
sketchess: Sunday was great; the whole weekend was great, excluding the high heat. Lots of cool things accomplished yesterday on personal sites!
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dougbeal|iOS
Lol, what does indieauth do with pinky code
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dougbeal|iOS
Punycode
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gRegorLove
dougbeal|iOS: I've got several hours. My bus leaves at 2pm.
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sketchess
what a pitty that I had to leave so early
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[cleverdevil]
Ah, fixed it.
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[cleverdevil]
Punycode indeed.
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gRegorLove
sketchess: There's videos on youtube you can watch of the demos at your convenience, though. https://youtube.com/indiewebcamp
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sketchess
Thank you very much. gRegorLove++
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gRegorLove
What is punycode?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "punycode" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
gregorlove has 101 karma in this channel (156 overall)
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sketchess
ah now
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Zegnat
Just throwing in a quick announcement that I finished my write up of yesterday’s demos! https://indieweb.org/2017/Demos
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sketchess
XD greetings Zegnat
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dougbeal|iOS
Zegnat ++
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[cleverdevil]
Nice, thanks Zegnat!
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Loqi
zegnat has 59 karma in this channel (93 overall)
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sketchess
all thumbs up for your new photo
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dougbeal|iOS
Zegnat++
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Loqi
zegnat has 60 karma in this channel (94 overall)
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dougbeal|iOS
Lori is not very forgiving
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sketchess
Zegnat++
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Loqi
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dougbeal|iOS
gRegorLove: I will drop by, train isn't until 4
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sketchess
Woah, you are pretty fast coders.
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sketchess
got very rusty
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gRegorLove
Not necessarily, sketchess. The create/hack day at IndieWebCamp is very much "get something done on your site, no matter how small or how 'rough' it may look"
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "The beginnings of a blogroll" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-26 http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/26/indieweb-blogroll/
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gRegorLove
There's also a lot of really great building blocks people in the community have written that we can re-use. My project was a fork of Quill and I just added a new post type to it.
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gRegorLove
It took longer for the DNS to update for my subdomain than to code, really, haha
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Loqi
nice
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Comment on Featured Posts by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-26 http://boffosocko.com/#comment-35019
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sketchess
I will not show what I accomplished. *lol*
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sketchess
But it was more than great fun.
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gRegorLove
Having fun is important :)
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[chrisaldrich]
Fun++ for being /fun
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Loqi
fun has 2 karma in this channel (4 overall)
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[cleverdevil]
chrisaldrich++ for the blogroll!
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Loqi
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[cleverdevil]
Is it marked up with XFN?
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[chrisaldrich]
some parts are, I'm doing a lot of work to rebuild the data from various other sources. I've neglected it for FAR too long.
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[miklb]
what is XFN
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Loqi
XFN is an abbreviation for XHTML Friends Network, the network of visible links across blogs that claim various XFN relationships with/to each other https://indieweb.org/XFN
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[chrisaldrich]
contemplating how I can get h-cards in there and dice it up a bit by category/tag so people can subscribe to subsections of it
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[cleverdevil]
I'm thinking that eventually the "together" /reader I talked about yesterday could pull in feeds from your XFN-marked up links on your site.
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[chrisaldrich]
I noticed the other day that some readers like inoreader allow you to subscribe to OPML feeds from others' sites.
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[chrisaldrich]
This would allow you to subscribe to my #indieweb list for example and the reader could be responsible for autoupdating your feed whenever I add people to it.
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[chrisaldrich]
Kind of like lists and subscribed lists on Twitter.
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[chrisaldrich]
Or circles on G+
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Zegnat
Are you doing anything to make is available as OPML, [chrisaldrich]? XOXO?
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Zegnat
s/is/it/
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[chrisaldrich]
http://boffosocko.com/wp-links-opml.php, though it's having sporadic issues I'm trying to track down.
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[chrisaldrich]
maybe a cache issue....
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gRegorLove
An h-card to OPML converter shouldn't be too difficult
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gRegorLove
/ an h-feed of h-cards to OPML
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gRegorLove
What is OPML?
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Loqi
OPML stands for Outline Processor Markup Language, an XML-based format and defacto standard used for feed lists interchange https://indieweb.org/OPML
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Zegnat
If you can mark it up with XOXO it should automatically be an OPML through, right?
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Zegnat
What is XOXO?
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Loqi
XOXO is an annual conference in Portland, Oregon https://indieweb.org/XOXO
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Zegnat
Ha, no, not that XOXO Loqi!
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Loqi
XOXO 1.0: Extensible Open XHTML Outlines
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gRegorLove
Huh, I'd forgotten about that
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[chrisaldrich]
Something new for unmung.com perhaps, kevinmarks?
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[chrisaldrich]
I should probably check that as he's probably got it hiding in there somewhere already...
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Zegnat
takes a small break from IRC and wiki for a second to get some food in
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[chrisaldrich]
I've got to get back to some painting and cleanup on the house myself. #movingsucks
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sketchess
that is a fantastic idea Zegnat *hungry too*
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@martijnvdven
Go read about what #indieweb people demoed at the end of #iws2017 and be inspired! https://indieweb.org/2017/Demos
(twitter.com/_/status/879393668058292225)
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sketchess
hmmmm.... instable connection
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[kiai]
Sorry, all in NYC, for dropping the ball finding a place to meet.
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@EssendoDisoccup
#Fantastico #fantasy #avventura #comics #fumetto #sketch #indieweb #mostro #magia #strega #caccia #uccelli #freccia… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/879400421693042688
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[apatters]
Is the #bridgy channel an appropriate place to ask questions about Bridgy? Or this one perhaps? The Bridgy channel looks to be mostly automated notices
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KartikPrabhu
[apatters]: i think either should work
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Zegnat
There is a bridgy channel?
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[apatters]
There is ?
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Zegnat
Otherwise, probably the #dev channel if you need more technical answers
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KartikPrabhu
#indieweb-dev
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KartikPrabhu
[apatters]: the easy thing is to just ask the question and someone will redirect you if it is off-topic
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[apatters]
Thanks guys. It's troubleshooting. I'll ask here then--
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[apatters]
- I have a WordPress blog and have successfully syndicated posts to Facebook using the Bridgy Publish plugin
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[apatters]
- Bridgy status page: https://brid.gy/facebook/10153333350551021#
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[apatters]
Bridgy is aware of all reactions to the post on Facebook, but does not copy them back to my site. They all report 'No webmention targets.' What's wrong?
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[apatters]
Site is running Independent Publisher and *only* these plugins: Bridgy Publish, Indieweb, Post Kinds, Semantic Linkbacks, Syndication Links, Webmention
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Loqi
Aaron Patterson
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gRegorLove
dougbeal just introduced me to this cool accessibility testing bookmarklet: http://khan.github.io/tota11y/
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gRegorLove
Hi [apatters]. Let me take a look.
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[apatters]
Thanks!
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sketchess
was catching up sunday on vid
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sketchess
Either I have tomatos in my ears or it should be happening something in berlin pretty soon. But I can't find it on the tape again. I was sure I heard 'Berlin' before my connection died on me.
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dougbeal
What is 2017 Berlin
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dougbeal
When is 2017 Berlin
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "A rough sketch for an Indieweb plugin UX update – Aaron Patterson" by Douglas Beal on 2017-06-26 https://dougbeal.com/2017/06/26/a-rough-sketch-for-an-indieweb-plugin-ux-update-aaron-patterson/
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sketchess
november?
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sketchess
Do we speak English or German than? xD
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gRegorLove
[apatters]: Hmm, I'm not sure. Your u-syndication and u-url links parse correctly on your homepage and permalinks, so that shouldn't be it. And your webmention endpoint is advertised. snarfed or someone else might have to help.
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gRegorLove
[apatters]: Oh, actually it looks like Bridgy is looking for a different URL than you have in your u-syndication...
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: the u-syndication link seems to link only to the FB profile, is this correct?
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KartikPrabhu
I have no experience syndicating to FB
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dougbeal
Looks private?
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gRegorLove
Whereas yeah, you're linking to your profile in your u-syndication: https://www.facebook.com/10154477782611021
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sketchess
well I live close to berlin so I wont need a hotel than *lol*
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[apatters]
It is a friends only post. Bridgy does list it on https://brid.gy/facebook/10153333350551021 though
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Loqi
Aaron Patterson
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sketchess
would prefer English
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gRegorLove
[apatters]: Yeah, I found it there. But the post on your site doesn't link to the FB copy.
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[apatters]
The syndication url is being generated by the Syndication Links plugin... let me look at the settings
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@AaronGustafson
Completely rewrote my @Jekyllrb #webmentions plugin as a gem. Lots of new options: https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-webmention_io #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/879409513559969792)
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[apatters]
Well, I added a syndication link to http://aaroncommand.com/2017/06/26/test-11/ and re-polled and re-crawled on brid.gy, but it didn't seem to make a difference
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sketchess
I call it even for today. Have a good night sleep everyone. God morning, good evening and good night. ;)
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sketchess
+o
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[apatters]
Got it!
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[apatters]
So, switching the syndication link to point directly to the post did work, but I had to input the url of the post on my site into the 'discover' field on bridgy. Once I rediscovered the post i was able to manually cause each comment/like to syndicate
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[apatters]
So I guess the big question is, why is it that when I make a post on my site, the syndication link only points to my FB profile url, and not to the FB post...
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[kevinmarks]
Unmung.com does already do xoxo, though I may not call it that
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[kevinmarks]
Also I need to revise it perhaps as it does odd things with combined links and text
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KartikPrabhu
[apatters]: GWG might be able to answer syndication link related questions
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gRegorLove
[apatters]: Yeah, I'm not sure the inner workings of that plugin. GWG contributes to that plugin a lot so will know. He's traveling but you can leave him a !tell.
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[apatters]
OK I will ask him about it, thanks!
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gRegorLove
So Bridgy sends webmentions back for friends-only posts? Didn't realize that
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[apatters]
He already helped me with a bug in Independent Publisher, so I owe that guy a beer ?
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[apatters]
Does anyone know where he's traveling to btw?
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[apatters]
I set the post to public to try and get things to work. I'll do further testing tomorrow
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gRegorLove
Manilla, for work
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[apatters]
Right in my backyard... I live in Bangkok
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[apatters]
Well, if I had a really big backyard
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KartikPrabhu
yeah, that would be a gigantic backyard!
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GWG
I just got denied to Tokyo
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GWG
Yay, more Portland
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[apatters]
What?!
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[apatters]
They're putting you on a flight back to PDX? That takes a lot of work, congrats ?
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gRegorLove
Discussing IWC Seattle possibilities with dougbeal
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gRegorLove
!tell Salt you and dougbeal should get in touch regarding IWC Seattle
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
They didn't let me on a flight out of Portland
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dougbeal
GWG that sucks
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dougbeal
GWG: when is the next flight?
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GWG
Tomorrow
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GWG
Maybe
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gRegorLove
GWG: You can join us for impromptu HWC Peet's Coffee PDX downtown :)
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gRegorLove
Going on now until we leave, haha
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Loqi
nice
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@ricmac
Chris’s new blogroll (in an opml file) is an excellent place to start for those looking for #indieweb bloggers to s… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/879416880355659776
(twitter.com/_/status/879416880355659776)
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dougbeal
svenknebel++ Yay, wiki is more explicable ;)
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Loqi
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[pfefferle]
apatters your brid.gy examples are very hard to debug if the facebook posts are protected
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Zegnat
sknebel++ converting karma from svenknebel
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Loqi
sknebel has 16 karma in this channel (37 overall)
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Zegnat
svenknebel--
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Loqi
svenknebel has 0 karma
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dougbeal
!tell funwhilelost Interested in IWC Seattle? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Seattle
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ricmac
hi folks, any suggestions for a feed reader to import @chrisaldrich's opml file into? http://boffosocko.com/wp-links-opml.php.
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Zegnat
I haven’t switched to an indie reader yet. Currently still using Reeder for macOS
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[miklb]
Same, except I’m using News Explorer for macOS.
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dougbeal
GWG: we are going to https://www.ravenandrosepdx.com for lunch
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@murderofcrows
I just posted an event on Beacon: "Lunch - Indieweb Summit isn't over until we leave PDX?" http://beacon.party/
(twitter.com/_/status/879424536139124738)
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KartikPrabhu
ricmac: I am using Feedly which should do OPML imports but not sure
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ricmac
Thanks @Zegnat & @miklb
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ricmac
I tried importing into Feedly, but it didn't work
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[pfefferle]
miklb just pointed me to a mf2 problem... I currently use u-photo and u-featured on my featured images... is u-photo really about photo only posts? is there a wiki page about the differences?
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KartikPrabhu
ricmac: that is bad for Feedly
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KartikPrabhu
[pfefferle]: u-photo is for photo posts
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KartikPrabhu
what is photo
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Loqi
A photo is a post whose primary content is a photograph or other image, with an optional caption. With multiple photographs it becomes a multi-photo post https://indieweb.org/photo
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KartikPrabhu
what is featured
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Loqi
featured is a proposed mf2 property (typically as u-featured) for h-entry that indicates a representative image for a primarily textual post https://indieweb.org/featured
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[pfefferle]
KartikPrabhu thanks!
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sknebel
fails in Inoreader as well
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Zegnat
[pfefferle]: “u-photo - one or more photos that is/are considered *the primary content* of the entry” (emphasis mine) http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Draft_Properties
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H...
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Zegnat
If you were looking for a spec
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Zegnat
goes to try chris’ OPML
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Zegnat
Reeder doesn’t even want to open it. I wonder if something about that file is wrong
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sknebel
-> dev
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[pfefferle]
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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Loqi
clevercooker
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KevinMarks
OPML stands for obnoxious pixel margin left
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dougbeal|iOS
Ended up at Love Belizean, Raven &a Rose is closed for a weekend ?
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sebsel
aaronpk how is the quest for a new name for IndieAuth.com going?
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sebsel
Or should I not ask? :)
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aaronpk
stalled
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sebsel
happens
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@joshuajuran
Four of us from IndieWeb Summit rode from Mozilla to VoiceBox via bicycle (photo): https://aaronparecki.com/2017/06/25/14/
(twitter.com/_/status/879433237688397824)
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sknebel
stalled.com? bad name
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sebsel
goes to watch demos back with the fabulous notes of Zegnat on the other screen
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sebsel
stalled.it seems free
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@joshuajuran
#indieweb is one of the most welcoming tech communities I've been in. I was by far the least acquainted, and still encouraged to contribute.
(twitter.com/_/status/879437773928677377)
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Loqi
ok, I added "http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/01/attentionxml.html" to the "See Also" section of /Micropub
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Loqi
ok, I added "http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/01/attentionxml.html" to the "See Also" section of /Microsub
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@gRegorLove
Weather in Portland is amazing today. High of 80 vs 102 yesterday. Let's schedule this type of weather for next year! #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/879442428628959232)
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GWG
If anyone wants to hang out at the Portland Airport..or adjacent...I have a microwave and mini-fridge
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[chrisaldrich]
my OPML file is still a bit wonky for those attempting to to subscribe to it. I was able to use Inoreader to subscribe to it and a few others last night.
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sknebel
[chrisaldrich]: weird, inoreader failed for me
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: Hello.
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dougbeal
GWG: my train is supposed to be late, but I don't think late enough for a trip to the airport
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dougbeal
:train:
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GWG
Sorry
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dougbeal
If I reference someone in a github issue, will it notify them?
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sknebel
what is notification?
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Loqi
notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indieweb.org/notification
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sebsel
I don't want to admit
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sebsel
but, I have installed the ZNC bouncer this weekend
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sebsel
so it was a "small step" to add an IRC server on the Raspberry Pi
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sebsel
and now I have a TikTokBot giving me notifications too
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sebsel
sknebel++ for some help with debugging that
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Loqi
sknebel has 17 karma in this channel (38 overall)
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sebsel
oh and
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sebsel
aaronpk++ for TikTokBot and all the stuff ofcourse ;)
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Loqi
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "@ricmac @davewiner I've got so much stuff in my feed I've tried to dice it up; surely no one wants it all. http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-26 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/ricmac-davewiner-ive-got-so-much-stuff-in-my-feed
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Comment on RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017 by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-26 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/#comment-35029
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sknebel
update: I could subscribe to [chrisaldrich] OPML file in inoreader, but not do a one-time import
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sknebel
also, I really need to take some time and review micropub clients, posting to my site is getting ridiculous
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KartikPrabhu
Kongaloosh: here is the article on how I generate placeholder images https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/placeholder-images :)
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Loqi
[Kartik Prabhu] Placeholder Images
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KartikPrabhu
it is futured to go live tomorrow morning
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KartikPrabhu
sorry Loqi I forgot a p-summary, its updated now
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Kongaloosh
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
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Kongaloosh
wonderful! I'm so glad you remembered
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Kongaloosh
thanks for the heads up!
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KartikPrabhu
Kongaloosh: feel free to comment/critique
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KartikPrabhu
webmentions and marginalia should still work even if it is futured
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[eddie]
Man, busy week. I came back and I feel way out of touch having missed everything IWS related. I'll have to try to catch up on YouTube
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aaronpk
better videos and the breakout videos are coming shortly!
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[eddie]
Awesome, great to know!
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