#indieweb

2017-06-29

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cweiske
no. https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/64
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Loqi
[aaronpk] #64 Create API to retrieve RSVPs
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Zegnat
Well, I have a fully functional webmention endpoint. I just don’t show responses on my site
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cweiske
same for me
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cweiske
I only send an email to myself
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Zegnat
Same here.
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Zegnat
So if you would RSVP to my post I would simply add you to the wiki
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Zegnat
Though I have to tweak my HTML a bit as I have seen people struggling with h-event-within-h-entry
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Jeena
I show them under the event
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Jeena
so other people can see who will attend
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Jeena
when is the net virtual hwc in europe?
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Loqi
what
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sknebel
Zegnat: only that I want to re-investigate indieactions for login purposes. I remember someone demoing something sometime, but not sure who/what/when
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Zegnat
Jeena, I hope in 2 weeks time
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sknebel
we mostly talked about webmentions, and there it is not "new ideas" but "a todo list"
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sknebel
oh, webmention.io doesn't do rsvps? hmmm
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Zegnat
Jeena: 2017-07-12, 17:30 CEST. Unless something weird comes up.
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Jeena
ok cool
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Zegnat
Let me update the wiki with the info
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Zegnat
This should do: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time
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sknebel
calumryan++ for https://calumryan.com/blog/homebrew-website-club-london-year-1/
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Loqi
calumryan has 9 karma
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Loqi
[Calum Ryan] June 28, 2017 Homebrew Website Club London Year 1 For the past twelve months I’ve been organising a meetup in London for people i...
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petermolnar
yesterday, during the VirtHWC we talked about a probably important approach, especially for gen 3 and gen 4, which we haven't yet included: number of followers. Is anyone "backfeeding" those numbers from silos to display on their site already?
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cweiske
I don't backfeed, but I have extended my websub hub to deliver this data point
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petermolnar
we also concluded that with a special mf2 markup and webmentions, we could let sites know we're following them and for those who don't support this extra, it will be a simple webmention to their main domain
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petermolnar
cweiske how reliable is that number?
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cweiske
http://phubb.cweiske.de/counter.php?topic=http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/feed/
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cweiske
this accurately shows websub subscribers
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petermolnar
is that number of reads or actual followers, as in people?
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petermolnar
followers then, that's good
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cweiske
petermolnar, it's websub
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cweiske
subscriptions
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petermolnar
'follower' = 'get notification from this [feed]'
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cweiske
yes
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petermolnar
at least we agreed on this during the meeting
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cweiske
my hub has a timeout of 7 days, so if someone unfollows me and does not cancel the subscription on the hub, it's gone after 7 days
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cweiske
but it might be that hosted readers will only subscribe once
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petermolnar
are you planning to show the number of followers from silos as well?
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cweiske
I have no silo accounts
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cweiske
so the number will be skewed
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sknebel
at least with traditional feed fetches, there is some kind of convention to embed how many followers your fetch represents
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cweiske
and it also does not count in non-websub subscriptions
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petermolnar
imo this is something that could "sell" indieweb: when you have a page showing all followers from everywhere, that's not been done before
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sknebel
not sure if current feed readers stil ldo that
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cweiske
i.e. polling readers are not counted
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cweiske
I don't think people would want their feed reader subscriptions listed on other pages
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cweiske
I would not want that myself
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petermolnar
you don't, but you're not gen4 ;)
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Zegnat
“that's not been done before” - probably false petermolnar, I know atleast one Twitch content creator that lists number of Twitter followers, Twitch subscribers, and Patreon sponsors on 1 page
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cweiske
and websub only has callbacks, no more info:
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petermolnar
Zegnat I didn't know that
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cweiske
for my main feed, I have the following subscriptions:
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cweiske
http://reader.kylewm.com/_notify/68
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cweiske
https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/callback?hub=http...
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cweiske
http://incoming.inoreader.com/incoming/?feed_id=65...
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cweiske
https://lamatriz.org/main/push/callback/663
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cweiske
https://websub.rocks/publisher/callback?token=qGIw
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cweiske
and so
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Zegnat
let me see if I can find them again petermolnar
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cweiske
https://unicyclic.com/php/update.php?url=http://cw
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petermolnar
cweiske your income also doesn't depend on number of followes, I guess, unlike many who use silos for this
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petermolnar
what is Patreon?
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Loqi
Patreon is a crowd-based, recurring funding site to support and pay content creators https://indieweb.org/Patreon
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sknebel
(what I remembered for counts is this, which seems hacky enough that I wouldn't be surprised if it died out: https://www.hanselman.com/blog/RFCHowFeedReadersAndMacGyverReportBlogSubscribersTunneledUserAgentData.aspx (the initial way, not the proposed one)
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petermolnar
is anyone of us using Patreon? I'm curious how that would fit in the indieweb way of doing things
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cweiske
I don't know if gen4 people would like to see their name on the followers page of teledildonics.tld
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cweiske
s/if/if all/
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petermolnar
lol, fair point
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petermolnar
but hey, it's the internet, you should be aware of the dangers of following sites
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petermolnar
(I mean it)
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Zegnat
cweiske, chances are gen4 people are doing that right now because they follow them on Twitter or another silo ;)
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Zegnat
Can’t find my example of aggregated numbers. Frustrating. If I do run into it again I will document.
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cweiske
my polling feed reader only transmits its IP address to teledildonics.tld, not a callback URL
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cweiske
so its relatively "safe"
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cweiske
with websub, pages get a callback URL that might be more revealing
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cweiske
I've got a couple of subscriptions in my feed reader that I would not want to display publicly
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petermolnar
you'd need to visit teledildonics.tld to see the number of followers, maybe not even a list of them
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petermolnar
if it's a sensitive topic, the site shouldn't list actual followers
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petermolnar
because people will unfollow soon enough
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petermolnar
so I wouldn't worry about this
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cweiske
sensitivity will be seen different in different parts of the world
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cweiske
so my conclusion is that having a public list of subscriber domains is not a good idea
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sknebel
I'm also not convinced following and "open" announcement of following have to be connected. what's wrong with follow posts for the latter? (which a reader could offer to automatically generate/update)
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petermolnar
true, but why is this different from a facebook/twitter/tumblr followers?
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cweiske
petermolnar, the indieweb respects your privacy more than silos
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petermolnar
cweiske this should be up to the site owner to decide
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cweiske
currently, that is
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petermolnar
no, that is not true
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petermolnar
the site owners respect privacy more
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petermolnar
indieweb it's own it just tools
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cweiske
silos thrive from people following more people, so they have an interest making subscriptions public
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cweiske
s/making/in making/
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petermolnar
indeed, and people make money out of this
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petermolnar
and unless there is a reason to have a money-ish reason to have an indie site, gen4, maybe gen3, will stay out of the loop
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petermolnar
hence the number of followers OR, by decicision, the list of followers displayed
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petermolnar
it's up to the site
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petermolnar
just like on tumblr
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cweiske
I feel pretty bad by having only 12 followers
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cweiske
.. but even my own feed reader does not do websub
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cweiske
s/pretty/a bit/
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petermolnar
that's a different question; there was a small entry, which I can't find, where was one of the main points was "forget stats, ditch stats, they lie and you shouldn't care"
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petermolnar
I personally agree with that
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cweiske
I know
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petermolnar
especially that you can buy followers
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petermolnar
or write follow bots
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petermolnar
but we're not the target audience of follower numbers
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@ricmac
@sovereignpath It makes sense, as e.g. @ChrisAldrich is much more qualified than me to maintain a list of IndieWeb people. (twtr.io/1TMKALsfLuQ)
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@kevinmarks
@muneeb @AAinslie We have some protocols for that. https://indieweb.org/specifications (twtr.io/1TMbqqjjtyQ)
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