#indieweb

2013-08-07

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@BornThirsty
Good article on implementing "Prism Break" https://eschnou.com/entry/implementing-prism-break-62-25013.html #PrismBreak #IndieWeb ()
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@MailpileTeam
@jmsmcfrlnd Tent.io is cool. It's a splinter off of the FedSocWeb. We Mailpilers are more keen on the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com ()
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aaronpk
uhoh
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neuro`
Hello.
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aaronpk
good night!
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Loqi
sweet dreams
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Jihaisse
hello
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acegiak_
.wub 5
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@Erkan_Yilmaz
@mbjunior what permission do you talk about? Ideally:people should set up own #friendica, #statusnet instances: #ownYourData cc @Metztli_IT ()
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barnabywalters
woah amazing to see that app.net have rolled out mf2 support!
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barnabywalters
this is awesome
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: regarding mf2 parser not resolving relative URLs, is pin13.net not passing the URL as the 2nd param of new mf2\Parser()?
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barnabywalters
relative URL resolution is working fine for me, tests passing etc
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gjones
barnabywalters your right its nice to see uf2 support in a larger site
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barnabywalters
gjones: absolutely! let’s see if we can get them sending webmentions next :)
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Loqi
[mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RQD3V/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-06/line/1375827117 (pingback)
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /App.net (+70) "moved standards support promises to a new section, mentioned mf2 adoption" (view diff)
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bret
Morning iwc
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neuro`
Morning bret
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barnabywalters
smari mccarthy I presume? welcome to #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters
(if not, welcome anyway!)
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smari
It is I!
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smari
thanks :)
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barnabywalters
yay! congratulations on the mailpile release and fundraiser!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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smari
Thanks! We're trying to hit the target amount... everything is going good. Then we need to develop stuff. Right now, we've got a pretty clear list of things to do and quite a lot of great ideas for what to do thereafter
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smari
:D
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smari
it's going to be great!
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barnabywalters
yeah, I saw loads of good stuff in the GH issues
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barnabywalters
are you back in london now? how’s the new job going?
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smari
yup, in London now. Settling in, slowly.
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tigerfinch
Hey smari - just found about mailpile a few days ago, thought "oh, I should definitely put some money into that" then promptly forgot.
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tigerfinch
Just done it now :)
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tigerfinch
so thanks for inadvertently reminding me ;)
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smari
thanks for being inadvertently reminded!
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tigerfinch
:)
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@mapkyca
#blog Easily add support for Pingback and Webmentions and Webhooks http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2013/08/07/easily-add-support-for-pingback-and-webmentions-and-webhooks/?utm_content=buffer3941a&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer #indieweb ()
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benwerd
I wish Marcus would join the channel
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: lol that might be all it is
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mapkyca
@benwerd I have, just lurking... hi all :)
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benwerd
Oh! Hello. Marcus worked with me on Elgg (& is an old friend).
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barnabywalters
greetings mapkyca!
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mapkyca
greetings :)
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tantek
had trouble sleeping last night and is running late :/
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tantek
aaronpk, benwerd, can you guys braindump whatever Harry is saying into the Etherpad? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/osfw3c
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aaronpk
sure. haven't started yet
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benwerd
I'm on 4 hours myself, but will attempt to do so in a non-Hunter S Thompson way
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tantek
bret, brianloves words - you guys too assuming you make it in!
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aaronpk
yeah I'm on like 5 hrs sleep, too heh
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benwerd
bret's with us
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bret
im here
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tantek
ok I added a few supposed agenda items
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tantek
I assume there's wifi at the venue?
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barnabywalters
waves to people on the etherpad
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aaronpk
tantek: yes there is, also there is a w3.org IRC channel
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barnabywalters
when are you guys doing your demos?
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aaronpk
tomorrow
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barnabywalters
cool
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benwerd
I wish they'd shut the doors. Brrrr.
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aaronpk
i'm sure nobody would mind if you did
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: full schedule is here: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html
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aaronpk
mind if I pipe osfw3c tweets into here?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: go for it! I got tired of checking http://tagboard.com/osfw3c
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bret
do it!
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benwerd
"IRC is an important tool for participating in the W3C." I find that such an incongruous statement
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pius
lol
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@socialmediaclub
RT @rawn: Tweeting here from #osfw3c #socbiz workshop for today/tomorrow alongside @lehawes @katmandelstein @dhinchcliffe and others ()
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@AnaDataGirl
Folks interested in #socbiz should be checking #osfw3c for live tweets from W3C open standards workshop http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html ()
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@socialmediaclub
RT @anadatagirl: Folks interested in #socbiz should be checking #osfw3c for live tweets from W3C open standards workshop... ()
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benwerd
tantek Wifi may be too crappy to use Etherpad
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aaronpk
i got disconnected just now, but wifi sesms pretty fast otherwise
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@benwerd
On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c ()
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c Dion Hinchcliffe. big questions on social standards. problem? motivation? reuse or create? apps? ()
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@socialmediaclub
"There is a strong tendency in people to adopt new technology when they see other people like them doing the same. " -Geoffrey Moore #osfw3c ()
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@billchristian
RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c ()
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@rawn
@dhinchcliffe "Successful standards are hard to create. Most standards have very low level of adoption" #osfw3c ()
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@rawn
@dhinchcliffe: "The chance for a standard to be successfully adopted in inversely proportional to its complexity-George Morimosato" #osfw3c ()
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@adamboyet
RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c ()
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@annbass
W3C / Open Social Foundation workshop on Social Business standards just starting #osfw3c #w3c ()
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@billchristian
Failure of the business is to deploy social networks on the side, not where work gets done, not a part of the work to achieve #osfw3c ()
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benwerd_
Had to move to my phone wifi. Will T-Mobile hold up all day? Let's see.
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aaronpk
benwerd_: i have pretty good verizon signal here too, can hop on that if you want
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@katmandelstein
One of the biggest challenges in #socialbiz is that in practice there is still isolation instead of integration via @dhinchcliffe #osfw3C ()
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@rawn
@dhinchcliffe "Much of the recent focus has been connecting Social Media with the flow of work" #osfw3c - Note socmedia, not #socbiz ()
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@opensocial
Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise. ()
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bret
squints at the screen
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c good example of connecting walled garden: it would be great to bridge tweets and the IRC channel ()
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@opensocial
@dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c ()
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aaronpk
lol ^
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bret
sneaker net :D
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@lehawes
Just realized that I have sent a few tweets tagged #oscw3c, instead of #osfw3c. Fat fingered the tag the first time and copied and pasted it ()
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@harryhalpin
Great talk on Dion on social standards, looking at how simple RSS, unlike Web Services, enabled a social web #osfw3c #w3c ()
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@benwerd
Something we talk about at @latakoo: federated social platforms sitting in different divisions of an enterprise. #osfw3c ()
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aaronpk
switching to verizon hotspot. let's see if that's better
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@aaronpk
@lidingpku Yep! We're doing that with the #osfw3c tweets right now, feel free to join #indiewebcamp on... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/1/osfw3c-indiewebcamp ()
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/1/osfw3c-indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-07 (webmention)
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aaronpk
yay my tweets show up here now!
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Loqi
yay!
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@lidingpku
@lehawes semantic twitter will simply put a statement like #oscw3c=@osfw3c ()
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@mattfranklin
Glad to hear @dhinchcliffe discussing social federation. I will be building on this later today http://t.co/WZLIAxJD37. #osfw3c ()
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@lehawes
RT @opensocial: @dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c ()
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@benwerd
90% of organizations will *require* BYOD by 2020, according to Gartner. I think that's a relief: much less of an IT bottleneck. #osfw3c ()
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@rawn
#osfw3c @dhinchcliffe Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? ()
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@lehawes
@dhinchcliffe Fragmentation, walled gardens, biz models, lack of awareness/critical mass/'killer app' social standards are obstacles #osfw3c ()
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? Consumer social networks - very difficult to convince to adopt ()
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? Enterprise social media vendors - very accepting, but also most to loose ()
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@benwerd
Looking forward to demoing a lot of what @dhinchcliffe is talking about at #osfw3c tomorrow. #indieweb ()
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? ()
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bret
Lots of interesting motivations
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? End-users - we are going to a world that end-users are the IT selectors ()
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@katmandelstein
RT @rawn: #osfw3c Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards? End-users - we are going to a world that end-users are the IT selectors ()
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@annbass
@t @w3c which specs should be mentioned, Tantek? #osfw3c ()
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@billchristian
So does the Social Web need an open implementation analogous to an SMTP server. #osfw3c ()
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aaronpk
changing the format of tweets
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aaronpk
prepare yourself
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@rawn
#osfw3c Who are the audiences for standards? IT managers - inside orgs, not a lot of competition ()
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Loqi
once decision made, not much to change it
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barnabywalters
^ “an open implementation” — no, not just one
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@weitzelm
RT @opensocial: Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise. (twitter.com/weitzelm/status/365149111051227138)
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@natematias
@benwerd many manufacturers offer tool subsidies to mechanics in the form of grants and matched funds #osfw3c (twitter.com/natematias/status/365149145318690816)
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@harryhalpin
For those that want to follow the discussion for the social workshop, check out http://irc.w3.org channel #osfw3c for live minutes (twitter.com/harryhalpin/status/365149222959452160)
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@benwerd
RT @natematias: @benwerd many manufacturers offer tool subsidies to mechanics in the form of grants and matched funds #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365149244853723138)
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barnabywalters
those tweets are looking good Loqi, aaronpk
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Loqi
is done
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@lehawes
Point being made at #osfw3c as to the value of closed, private groups. How can we balance needs of openly-shared and private work? (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365149555538407424)
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Loqi
[@lidingpku] #osfw3c social web standards audience are those who can pay for it: enterprise-->IT manager
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Loqi
market-->consumer
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Loqi
research-->government (https://twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365149875081453568)
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@lehawes
We need open #social standards to bridge walled communities/groups/teams working in different proprietary systems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365150063686725633)
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@AnaDataGirl
RT @lehawes: We need open #social standards to bridge walled communities/groups/teams working in different proprietary systems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/AnaDataGirl/status/365150208097017856)
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@benwerd
Hearing @eric_meeks from UCSF Medical talking about needing federated social. My mom is literally there right now. Want to help. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365150288543358976)
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@weitzelm
RT @opensocial: @dhinchcliffe - What if we could extend our social platforms as easily as plugging in a USB stick in our computer? #osfw3c (twitter.com/weitzelm/status/365150377177387011)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c workshop (@ Tank 18 w/ 7 others) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/5202788b498ea7d8d3bff615?s=ZGmyTSEQdpvOVCww9mKEO20N92A&ref=tw (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365150528138776577)
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bret
aaronpk: I like the new tweet format
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bret
is tantek coming?
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aaronpk
yay
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Loqi
yay!
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bret
yay
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Loqi
giggles
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barnabywalters
aw, combo breaker
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@lehawes
@billchristian Not sure what you mean by last sentence. Be glad to discuss in-person, if you're at the #osfw3c workshop. :>) (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365151257339506689)
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benwerd
do you think anyone would notice if I picked up the coffee urn, brought it over here, and suspended it over my gaping maw for a couple of minutes?
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bret
go for it
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@benwerd
"Simple standards are critical." Please check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365151782869024768)
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@lehawes
#osfw3c workshop participant correctly says that any #social standards need to be dead simple if they are to be adopted. Like email and RSS. (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365151811511914498)
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Loqi
[mention] http://werd.io/view/520279b7bed7dee56714d46a linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (pingback)
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barnabywalters
email is *simple*?
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aaronpk
JSON was also mentioned
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aaronpk
cited*
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@rawn
#osfw3c #socbiz standards "It's easy to talk about generalities, but we will need to get to specific contexts/interactions of the problem." (twitter.com/rawn/status/365152049140215808)
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@katmandelstein
RT @lehawes: #osfw3c workshop participant correctly says that any #social standards need to be dead simple if they are to be adopted.... (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365152196918120449)
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@jessewilkins
@lehawes #osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc. (twitter.com/jessewilkins/status/365152240236892160)
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mapkyca
I think email *was* simple, but has had too many things bolted on over the years...
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@vassko
What we need is "connections in all directions" by Ann Bassetti, Boeing #osfw3c #SocBiz (twitter.com/vassko/status/365152389122101250)
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benwerd
RSS is simple, JSON is simple
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benwerd
Email is a cluster
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] RT @rawn: #osfw3c @dhinchcliffe Who are the audiences for #socbiz standards?
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@katmandelstein
RT @vassko: What we need is "connections in all directions" by Ann Bassetti, Boeing #osfw3c #SocBiz (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365152724028887040)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c ironic that at a standards meeting the power adaptor sockets are spaced too tightly to plug into (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365152752701145089)
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aaronpk
simple email is simple
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aaronpk
tantek: how about twtr.io for the algorithmic twitter URL shortener?
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@lehawes
RT @jessewilkins "#osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc." Good point! (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365153231543877632)
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@dhinchcliffe
Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365153281913262080)
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@billchristian
Collaborative solutions include employees, customer, partners, and suppliers with appropriate social context #osfw3c (twitter.com/billchristian/status/365153334832799744)
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@katmandelstein
RT @billchristian: Collaborative solutions include employees, customer, partners, and suppliers with appropriate social context #osfw3c (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365153468354273280)
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@lidingpku
RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365153713251295234)
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bret
Facebook is the man, man
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365153976628416512)
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bret
kids don't really tweet
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@toddbarnard
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/toddbarnard/status/365154102272991232)
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bret
I think I met 3 people who twat in college
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@vassko
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/vassko/status/365154175585222656)
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: "Simple standards are critical." Please check out http://indiewebcamp.com/ #osfw3c (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365154177409753088)
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@sutrosoftware
Antisocially late to #osfw3c. Hoping the APIs are not yet in place for people to unfriend me. (twitter.com/sutrosoftware/status/365154184410038273)
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@lidingpku
80% employees do not use enterprise social network. not useful. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365154485619798017)
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@iSocial_Fanz
RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/iSocial_Fanz/status/365154494356529152)
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barnabywalters
when I was in secondary school most of my friends loved facebook, thought twitter was stupid
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barnabywalters
I know one person who used it to consume news
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bret
Most young people still use Facebook in my experience
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c or, is there a strong enough need for social standards in enterprise. I bet not many bosses want employees to run twitter at work (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365154841519063040)
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@rawn
RT @lehawes: RT @jessewilkins "#osfw3c Perfect is the enemy of good enough too - cf. RSS vs. ATOM vs. etc." Good point! (twitter.com/rawn/status/365154893419790336)
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barnabywalters
I also lived out in the country, whereas twitter use tends to focus around large cities
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barnabywalters
actually, more of my school friends had their own websites than had twitter accounts :)
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bret
twitter is for 30 somethings
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bret
:p
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@dhinchcliffe
"About 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools.” - @MCrawfordUSNvet HT @kevinmarks #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365155031156137984)
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@benwerd
"We think that's needed going forward is a set of web-based content standards." Microformats! http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2 #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365155107911897088)
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barnabywalters
^ yes yes yes
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bret
Thats the perception I have heard from a few people
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bret
young*
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barnabywalters
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 4 karma
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@lehawes
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365155437894582272)
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benwerd
It's really good to see all these enterprise folks turning against SOAP and BS standards that work against users & developers
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benwerd
The wind is changing
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bret
I have a creeping suspicion that the business world is mostly all about spinning wheels
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c essential components diagram has so much on it, it's illegible from the back of the room. Hmm. (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365156131535978497)
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barnabywalters
^ photo?
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@dhinchcliffe
Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dionh (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365156324750798849)
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bret
barnabywalters: missed it
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bret
:(
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bret
I think the slides are online?
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barnabywalters
no problem, just wondering what all the components actually were :)
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mapkyca
@benwerd after many stressful occasions dealing with it, I'd pay good money to have SOAP taken out back and shot.
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bret
All i could see was colors and black dots
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Are the slides being shared? Would be helpful to take back and educate others (twitter.com/billchristian/status/365156556754522114)
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@adamboyet
RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/adamboyet/status/365156562207129600)
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@dhinchcliffe
Compelling to hear @Ford's @edkrebs say that he insists his #socbiz solutions are based on open standards. A great example. #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365156759813373953)
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@vassko
Reference architecture, Ford Motor co #osfw3c #SocBiz https://twitter.com/vassko/status/365156870547202049/photo/1 (twitter.com/vassko/status/365156870547202049)
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benwerd
@mapkyca let's kickstarter it
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@ASUG_Michigan
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #socialbiz tools (twitter.com/ASUG_Michigan/status/365156908434329603)
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barnabywalters
benwerd: mapkyca: you can kickstarter killing something? kickstarter got weird
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@William_Newman
RT @ASUG_Michigan: RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #so… (twitter.com/William_Newman/status/365156993012469761)
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benwerd
barnabywalters: mapkyca: I hereby coin the term "kickstartering the bucket"
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@adamboyet
great quote from my peer @annbass #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/adamboyet/status/365157194934657024)
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bret
if kickstarter won't do it, Im sure indiegogo will accommodate.
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barnabywalters
benwerd: “we need money to buy pitckforks and flamethrowers. rewards include ink made from blood, etc”
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@newmediatwee
@katmandelstein oh my! #osfw3c looks amazing! (twitter.com/newmediatwee/status/365157347699605504)
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Loqi
[@rawn] #osfw3c "The power of social is to connect with people I didn't know before.
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@lehawes
Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." Social platforms need to connect with other enterprise systems. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365157424304369667)
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@dhinchcliffe
RT @rawn: #osfw3c "The power of social is to connect w/ people I didn't know before. That's where I'm going to get my new value" - @EdKrebs (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365157682115641344)
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bret
Make CAD design tools compatible with git, problem solved
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Not to be a wet towel, but we are advocating use of social standards on unfriendly platform. Versus like appdotnet. (twitter.com/billchristian/status/365157731474223104)
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@benwerd
"Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365157876332904448)
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Loqi
[@lleung] MT @lehawes: Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." #osfw3c &gt
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Loqi
Thank the lord (https://twitter.com/lleung/status/365157938102403073)
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@dhinchcliffe
"I need to be connected to people in the placed where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158000022929408)
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Loqi
[@benwerd] RT @lleung: MT @lehawes: Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." #osfw3c &gt
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Loqi
Thank the lord (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365158069816143873)
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@dhinchcliffe
"I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158177945296896)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c classic enterprise use case: document management. I've already store the file in three places, want me upload it at new location? (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365158181007142913)
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@katmandelstein
RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365158342198435841)
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Loqi
[@vassko] RT @lleung: MT @lehawes: Ford Motor Company's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." #osfw3c &gt
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Loqi
Thank the lord (https://twitter.com/vassko/status/365158546641395713)
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@benwerd
The problems in enterprise social in 2013 are identical to the problems in 2006. But people seem to be moving on them now. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365158704447893505)
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aaronpk
is twtr.io resolving for anybody else?
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@dhinchcliffe
"I need access to social data in a very well defined way... to pull out valuable nuggets... using a suite of tools." - @edkrebs #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365158743442325504)
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: nope
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aaronpk
k, not sure how long it's going to take
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c use case: how twitter help logging a workshop: segment talk notes, link alt hasTags/time, add resource links, discussion, notes, q/a (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365158865421082624)
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benwerd
can anyone else understand a word this man is saying?
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mapkyca
@aaronpk, resolves but have a placeholder page
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aaronpk
placeholder page?
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mapkyca
"This domain name has been registered with Gandi.net"
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aaronpk
oops!
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aaronpk
forgot they don't set the nameservers to my default one
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: "Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365159191859572736)
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@lehawes
RT @benwerd: "Social needs to be in the tools we already use." Great presentation from Ford. Enterprise social is evolving. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365159288198533120)
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aaronpk
ok updated. thanks mapkyca
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@katmandelstein
@coolwater101 http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html #osfw3c (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365159623600242688)
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Loqi
[@benwerd] Hearing this over &amp
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Loqi
over again: social needs to be a platform that work with the activities &amp
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Loqi
software already in the enterprise. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365159645356113920)
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@benwerd
eg over at @latakoo, we're integrating with video editing software, news management systems, etc. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365159876617449472)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c : i'm pretty sure a random passer-by just came in here, got some breakfast, and wandered out again #open #social #public (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365160134676201472)
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@kapilgupta
@rawn @lehawes @katmandelstein @dhinchcliffe #osfw3c #envy :-). Will participate vicariously through your tweets! (twitter.com/kapilgupta/status/365160142293049344)
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@lehawes
@dansilva I don't know. @edkrebs verbally stated it in his #osfw3c presentation. You could ask him if it's published somewhere. (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365160238812368897)
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@benwerd
Seems like pump.io is well-placed to integrate across software in this sort of platform-centric way. #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365160333607841792)
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@billchristian
"enrichment" and "composition" seem like the correct mental approach to building a simple and attractive std. #osfw3c (twitter.com/billchristian/status/365160367002882048)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c IBM's enterprise social business seems to be yet another name of "enterprise data integration problem" (maybe v1.1) (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365160483302547456)
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@JimLundy
@rawn @dhinchcliffe Hope it is going well. Enterprises need to be very careful when looking at Consulting firms for Open Social dev #osfw3c (twitter.com/JimLundy/status/365160690887045122)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c : it would be handy if http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html had personal URLs for the speakers on (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365160856792739841)
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@rawn
#osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff Calusinski IBM (twitter.com/rawn/status/365160887692165120)
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@ohadyas
RT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote so far at #osfw3c: "We need open connections in all directions." #socbiz #EnSw (twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365160896982949888)
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@ohadyas
RT @dhinchcliffe: Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://t.co/xtuUZ… (twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365160954168098816)
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@ohadyas
RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365161029388754944)
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@dhinchcliffe
It's the classic #EnSw problem: Aligning business architecture and technical architecture is key to #socbiz adoption. #osfw3c @DonBuddenbaum (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365161106014093312)
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@ohadyas
RT @opensocial: Just kicked off the #osfw3c workshop. Now @dhinchcliffe talking about importance of social standards in the enterprise. (twitter.com/ohadyas/status/365161118878412801)
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@lidingpku
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : it would be handy if http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html had personal URLs for the speakers on (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365161448328011777)
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@rawn
Point made>RT @jimlundy: rawn @dhinchcliffe Enterprises need to be very careful when looking at Consulting firms for Open Social dev #osfw3c (twitter.com/rawn/status/365161674145153024)
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@kevinmarks
RT @rawn: #osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff Calu… (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365161712766287872)
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@lehawes
IBM's @DonBuddenbaum says social technologies must become fundamental building blocks of business apps. I completely agree. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365161733595213824)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @LloydFassett: A lot of the questions for qualifying candidates in healthcare staffing are common, standard between companies (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365162238585221120)
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@dhinchcliffe
Torn if a grand reconciliation of #socbiz "block architecture" reference models is right. Perhaps a more organic approach at first. #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365162243882618880)
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@lehawes
RT @rawn: #osfw3c "We need #socbiz capabilities that can be both loosely coupled and tightly integrated" admittedly an oxymoron - Jeff... (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365162270013128706)
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@ASUG365
RT @ASUG_Michigan: RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c #SAP Mark Crawford: about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, this is why we need #so… (twitter.com/ASUG365/status/365162289944866816)
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@jasnell
@lehawes @DonBuddenbaum Our tools (browsers, user-agents) need a better sense of context and a better sense of identity. #osfw3c (twitter.com/jasnell/status/365162385901756417)
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@lehawes
@jasnell @DonBuddenbaum Yes, that's part of what we need to accomplish in this workshop. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365162586884419584)
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@dhinchcliffe
@rawn @JimLundy IMO most #EnSw vendors should just offer compelling @OpenSocial wrappers for their biz apps. Only build if you must. #osfw3c (twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365162841331859456)
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@lehawes
@jasnell @DonBuddenbaum Yep. Portals are useful in that regard. I'm also excited about promise/possibilities of Apache Rave as well. #osfw3c (twitter.com/lehawes/status/365163453746393089)
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@rawn
#osfw3c IMHO, I feel that orgs here are de-emphasizing that success w/ Social Foremost depends on what users want to do. (twitter.com/rawn/status/365163523208261633)
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@JimLundy
@dhinchcliffe @rawn @opensocial Focus was on Enterprises that are doing their own widgets. Lots are. #socbiz #osfw3c (twitter.com/JimLundy/status/365163637649850368)
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] How we can create open standards for social business http://www.zdnet.com/how-we-can-create-open-standards-for-social-business-7000017420/ My POV on value of #EnSw &amp
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Loqi
#socbiz standards. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365163764217163776)
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@katmandelstein
@lloydfassett is spot on that the real value of #socialbiz is not connecting internally, but connecting businesses across ecosystem #osfw3c (twitter.com/katmandelstein/status/365163773494951936)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c 1999 Evans Wurster "Economics of information", the traditional economics of information (twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365163910795501568)
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aaronpk
holy cow
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @LloydFassett: A standard moves the richness and reach graph up to the right. A standard between businesses will have impact (twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365163961341067264)
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Loqi
[@benwerd] So we need a simple, federated set of standards that can easily be extended &amp
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Loqi
integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365164141180235777)
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benwerd
So we also need all the coffee.
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] HT @benwerd: So we need a simple, federated set of standards that can easily be extended &amp
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Loqi
integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/dhinchcliffe/status/365164344188731392)
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bret
all the coffee!
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bret
all of the coffee!
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aaronpk
loqi is too smart for you
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Loqi
who, me?
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bret
>:|
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aaronpk
can someone else try http://twtr.io/bDxp48GnW8
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] RT @benwerd: So we need a simple, federated set of standards that can easily be extended &amp
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Loqi
integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/365164715388829697)
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aaronpk
thx bret
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@benwerd
I think the #indieweb has a lot of potential to be the basis of that extensible set of standards. http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html #osfw3c (twitter.com/benwerd/status/365164803678945280)
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aaronpk
enabling magic
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benwerd
ooh
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bret
Sparkles!
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aaronpk
somebody tweet!
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@benwerd
Now discussing / arguing the difference between social and collaboration. I'd argue that both are elements of the other. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE64nWBnZM)
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aaronpk
thanks lol
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bret
Social, stuff you don't do at work, collaboration doing stuff with people at work
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have heard of. (twtr.io/bE682XXbAf)
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aaronpk
sweet new twtr redirect works!
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@baojie
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have … (twtr.io/bE6AY13b6Q)
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benwerd
I think this is such an odd distinction
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Loqi
[@rawn] #osfw3c @vassko: "There's a very big difference btwn collab &amp
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Loqi
social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone else" #socbiz (http://twtr.io/bE6AwcoD0o)
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benwerd
What teams even *are* is changing
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@lehawes
@jdcalus nails it, saying combination of automated processes + ad hoc collaboration across functions and orgs is what biz needs. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE6BYfyd_g)
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aaronpk
this doesn't seem like an important distinction to me
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@rawn
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have … (twtr.io/bE6CVLnNA8)
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benwerd
no
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aaronpk
ahh channel is cleaner now with shorter tweet URLs
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Loqi
[@benwerd] "Collaboration is within a team
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Loqi
social is with people you don't know." But what a team even *is* is changing! #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bE6GaEHHWg)
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bret
breaths the clean irc air
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@lehawes
IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record and Systems of Engagement. Now. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE6Lpyu16A)
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benwerd
breathes the coffee fumes, desparately
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Loqi
[@billchristian] RT @rawn: #osfw3c @vassko: "There's a very big difference btwn collab &amp
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Loqi
social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone els… (http://twtr.io/bE6M5T56h9)
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bret
tldr, people would rather do work with their friends
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@dhinchcliffe
@benwerd @vassko Workforce collaboration can be social. But it certainly can use other models not based on social media. #osfw3c #socbiz (twtr.io/bE6MTxw829)
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@billchristian
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have … (twtr.io/bE6MmYCZmh)
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bret
Lots of love for Activity Streams
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c inter-connecting people, systems, documents in enterprise is always needed in enterprise, regardless how the solution is called (twtr.io/bE6fVePuXU)
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@vipint7
RT @dhinchcliffe: "I need to be connected to people in the places where they are getting their work done." - @edkrebs #socbiz #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE6hJgzk42)
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] RT @lehawes: IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record &amp
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Loqi
Systems of Engagement. #osfw3c &lt
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Loqi
We're past due! (http://twtr.io/bE6mafGD55)
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@benwerd
"We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE6s61v03C)
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bret
What does flexi do when lulzsec turns off the breaks while you are driving?
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aaronpk
fyi! https://alpha.app.net/dalton/post/8588946
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@billchristian
Good question: when does the internet of things become social? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE6v0Y8Wrj)
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aaronpk
http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company". "within a system" vs "across systems" (twtr.io/bE6x16LkiU)
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@billchristian
RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE703KgW5t)
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@lidingpku
RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE72vLPuA8)
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@dhinchcliffe
"I can't get even get two people together to agree on what federated social media is." - @edkrebs A great place to start today IMO. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE73hGzQ5L)
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@socialmediaclub
MT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company". (twtr.io/bE74vwYb7V)
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@elmibester
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c : Collaboration is about working within your team. Social is about connecting to people that you may not even have … (twtr.io/bE7CskDQcL)
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bret
These things should be demo only. No talking allowed unless you have a prototype
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Loqi
[@mangospring] RT @rawn: #osfw3c @vassko: "There's a very big diff btwn collab &amp
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Loqi
social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone else" (http://twtr.io/bE7Dvk_3Nh)
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bret
Is this what having a job is like?
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@kevinmarks
RT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "open" implies unexpected connections. e.g. "within a team" vs. "throughout the company". "within a system" vs "acr… (twtr.io/bE7H0SVUY2)
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@katmandelstein
@rawn points out social is a "blackhole" when we are talking about combining unstructured with the structure of standards. #osfw3C (twtr.io/bE7KedtLzk)
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bret
Open means equal footing
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aaronpk
bret or someone else on HN, go upvote the app.net post! https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
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Loqi
[@leebryant] RT @rawn: #osfw3c @vassko: "There's a very big difference btwn collab &amp
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Loqi
social." @edkrebs: "Collab is w/in teams. Social is w/ everyone els… (http://twtr.io/bE7ShKD6Zb)
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@ellenfeaheny
To follow the OpenSocial W3C Workshop context, IRC: http://irc.w3.org port:6665 channel# osfw3c (twtr.io/bE7XY6oW0Y)
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@aaronpk
App•net follows up on promises to support more open standards! Great work, @daltonc and team!... #indieweb #appnet http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/2/appnet-indieweb (twtr.io/bE7bK3BoLH)
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benwerd
aaronpk: done
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@ellenfeaheny
To the #osfw3c attendees - a 2nd wifi network was opened - should be faster now! :) #win (twtr.io/bE7d5yGpvC)
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aaronpk
thx!
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benwerd
oops, I just got told off for POSSEing to Facebook. Really need to implement those buttons.
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aaronpk
hah
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@lidingpku
@osfw3c when we go social, we got *flexibility* of incredible data integration, but also want to *control* over, e.g. privacy and security (twtr.io/bE7faCb7U0)
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bret
Social nascar
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c when we go social, we got *flexibility* of incredible data integration, but also want to *control* over, e.g. privacy and security (twtr.io/bE7gyCgVAQ)
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@dhinchcliffe
"Social analytics are a key part of a #socbiz solution." - @MCrawfordUSNvet #osfw3c Yep. Here's why: http://dachisgroup.com/2011/08/social-business-intelligence-positioning-a-strategic-lens-on-opportunity/ #bigdata #EnSw (twtr.io/bE7gyfqo6Q)
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@dzhu
RT @ellenfeaheny: To follow the OpenSocial W3C Workshop context, IRC: http://irc.w3.org port:6665 channel# osfw3c (twtr.io/bE7ktC9FoG)
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aaronpk
not very active hashtag on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/osfw3c
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benwerd
That's fascinating
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benwerd
it automatically silenced me!
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@voxpelli
RT @aaronpk: App•net follows up on promises to support more open standards! Great work, @daltonc and team!... #indieweb #appnet http://t.co… (twtr.io/bE7rCiyP_Q)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c "Wikipedia as a process that replaced formal processes" - see http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page for replacing standards processes… (twtr.io/bE7rtr0aL_)
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bret
could it be that ford employees have littler personal gain from contributing to the company wiki?
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aaronpk
benwerd: top poster on twitter, bottom poster on facebook
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Loqi
[@lehawes] At #osfw3c, hearing big need for standards that enable simple, reliable interop between SoR and SoE. Don't need bells &amp
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Loqi
whistles. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bE7uyMFB_R)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c use case: the share button shows the need for porting data across system boundary. what's next? better control, provenance... (twtr.io/bE7v71eSDL)
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benwerd
"if you build it, they will come" rearing its ugly head again?
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Loqi
[@rawn] #osfw3c Problem w/ integrating Process &amp
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Loqi
Adhoc = Processes define predictable behavior
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Loqi
social doesn't. Businesses rely on predictable (http://twtr.io/bE80J8_Z1t)
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Loqi
[@ellenfeaheny] What do you think collective per hour value is of people at #osfw3c wkshp? Top industry experts &amp
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Loqi
architects wrt future of #socbiz #SF (http://twtr.io/bE80pvRoJ8)
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Loqi
[@ellenfeaheny] RT @rawn: #osfw3c Problem w/ integrating Process &amp
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Loqi
Adhoc = Processes define predictable behavior
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Loqi
social doesn't. Businesses rely on predic… (http://twtr.io/bE821sP_FW)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] RT @lehawes: At #osfw3c, hearing big need for standards that enable simple, reliable interop between SoR and SoE. Don't need bells &amp
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Loqi
whistl… (http://twtr.io/bE82qjqh82)
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aaronpk
how many people are here?
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aaronpk
at least 60
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aaronpk
even at $60/hr that's like $3600/hr here
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bret
What standard are we working on?
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@rawn
#osfw3c ...but more so Companies want to _trust that the system will continue drive business_ regardless of predictable Process vs Adhoc (twtr.io/bE8CRLzJyA)
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@dirtybirdstock
RT @billchristian: Good question: when does the internet of things become social? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE8CRbZCEw)
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Loqi
[@lidingpku] #osfw3c low the cost of creating a standard: Encyclopedia replaced by Wikipedia
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Loqi
SGML vs. HTML
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Loqi
XML vs. JSON
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Loqi
-- need tangible reward (http://twtr.io/bE8LbkPX3U)
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Loqi
[@lidingpku] #osfw3c low the cost of creating a standard: Encyclopedia replaced by Wikipedia
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Loqi
SGML vs. HTML
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Loqi
XML vs. JSON
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Loqi
-- tangible/instant reward (http://twtr.io/bE8PD5wRxL)
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Loqi
[@lidingpku] #osfw3c lower the cost of creating a standard: Encyclopedia replaced by Wikipedia
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Loqi
SGML vs. HTML
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Loqi
XML vs. JSON
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Loqi
-- tangible/instant reward (http://twtr.io/bE8RUqr1c4)
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bret
I wager "Cultural resistance" = people just not giving a shit about things that don't have anything to do with their work
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aaronpk
heh yeah
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@ellenfeaheny
#osfw3c attendees from Ford, Jive, IBM, Boeing, Apache, UCSF, BroadVision, Apache, Mozilla, SugarCRM, AT&T, TIBCO, Orange, Mitre, Forbes... (twtr.io/bE8V3CQn4_)
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@dhinchcliffe
@rawn As @jhagel has noted, it's not process but exception handling where #socbiz often shines. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE8VWUP6f0)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to processes (twtr.io/bE8Z3GjLyf)
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@tylerstalder
@audreywatters I really think you’d enjoy #osfw3c. (twtr.io/bE8ZSPBTHL)
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@benwerd
A lot of these enterprise topics also apply to institutions like universities, too. Worth talking across sectors. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE8Zc7DLmw)
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bret
Again, bajillion dollar idea: git compatible CAD
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@dhinchcliffe
RT @ellenfeaheny: #osfw3c attendees from Ford, Jive, IBM, Boeing, Apache, UCSF, BroadVision, Apache, Mozilla, SugarCRM, AT&T, TIBCO, Orange… (twtr.io/bE8_tEMFsY)
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@lehawes
MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholeheartedly agree. (twtr.io/bE8dzv80Vx)
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Loqi
[@fdevillamil] RT @benwerd: So we need a simple, federated set of standards that can easily be extended &amp
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Loqi
integrated across a variety of platforms. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bE8fS4YtBV)
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@fdevillamil
RT @benwerd: I think the #indieweb has a lot of potential to be the basis of that extensible set of standards. http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html (twtr.io/bE8hTVt97D)
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@fdevillamil
RT @benwerd: "We're asking 'is this social.' WHO CARES?" Exactly. What the hell. Build software that solves problems. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE8noz9CAg)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c key elements of social standards: capture(import), organize(identity,link,search), exchange(filter, security) (twtr.io/bE8nwm9V1s)
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@kevinmarks
RT @lehawes: MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholehearte… (twtr.io/bE8oQMDZ9M)
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@ellenfeaheny
#osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ... (twtr.io/bE8rRBiMb0)
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@ggatin
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c "Wikipedia as a process that replaced formal processes" - see http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page for replacing standards proces… (twtr.io/bEA6WTp7m9)
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@dhinchcliffe
Great convo today with @Boeing's @annbass re: their #EnSw integrated Insite #socbiz platform used by 80K+ workers. A great story. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEAfoiXxWf)
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@brennannovak
Impressed by @daltonc and the https://join.app.net/ crew for embracing #IndieWeb standards and writing a... http://bnvk.me/ws4 (twtr.io/bEArk7GJGY)
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@dhinchcliffe
Nice compliment from @malexander1219 about the "#socbiz canvas" concept I mentioned here at #osfw3c. Backstory: http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/enterprise/2011/08/why_the_next_app_you_use_might_be_in_a_social_network.php #EnSw (twtr.io/bEBGeRNSCG)
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@rawn
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to proces… (twtr.io/bEBxDmYS1b)
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@DowBrook
RT @ellenfeaheny "#osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ..." Pleased to be here, Ellen. Thanks for hosting! (twtr.io/bEByrs7e5b)
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@lehawes
RT @ellenfeaheny "#osfw3c attendees cont: SAP, eBay, Dachis, Dow Brook, Adjuvi,PWC, ..." Pleased to be here, Ellen. Thanks for hosting! (twtr.io/bEByuoWRZt)
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benwerd
bret seems to have turned his laptop into a pastry
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benwerd
that's some trick
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tantek
benwerd - back on the etherpad?
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benwerd
tantek - there now. sorry, I think I stepped on your editing toes there
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tantek
benwerd - go for it
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tantek
we'll figure it out
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benwerd
ok
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bret
I'll be in in a moment
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook too (twtr.io/bECdM5336f)
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tantek
needs to read some scrollup
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tantek
benwerd, feel free to jump into Etherpad notetaking
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: we decided that Atom was very heavyweight and moved to JSON, and then worked on common objects in activitystrea.ms (twtr.io/bECgdfkLRc)
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tantek
awesome - thanks benwerd
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Open Graph or http://Schema.org Are the two solving the same problem? Which would I adopt for green field apps? (twtr.io/bECj_ShjQY)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook too (twtr.io/bECm4xwpGp)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: Crushpath shifted from activity streams to setting up a pitch site for anything eg http://crushpath.me/monica pitches me (twtr.io/bECqfyyWUG)
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Loqi
[@dvdsmpsn] “@benwerd: Hearing this over &amp
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Loqi
over: social needs to be a platform that work with activities &amp
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Loqi
software already in the enterprise #osfw3c” (http://twtr.io/bECsHs5zYJ)
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@ellenfeaheny
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c ciberch: when I was at MySpace I started using the Activity Stream Atom spec in production, then did it at Facebook… (twtr.io/bECuEMxYDs)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: the users we have at crushpath are not super techy - we do client-side integrations to Facebook, Twitter etc (twtr.io/bECuRfwc7D)
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@appfusions
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @rawn processes are the frozen history of previous mistakes. more and more business is exception handling to proces… (twtr.io/bECx_W5mak)
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@ellenfeaheny
RT @dhinchcliffe: Nice compliment from @malexander1219 about the "#socbiz canvas" concept I mentioned here at #osfw3c. Backstory: http://t.… (twtr.io/bECyXDSBC2)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: we want people to login with systems they are familiar with like Twitter and Facebook, but Google forces a plus profile (twtr.io/bED15F8ij2)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: we put activity streams everywhere, because it is very general. I can map FB OGP to activity streams if I need to (twtr.io/bED6P16MwJ)
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@appfusions
RT @lehawes: MITRE employee at #osfw3c says common identity and security permissions across SoR and SoE are needed standards. I wholehearte… (twtr.io/bED8CF1ibY)
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@lehawes
@ciberch talking about @crushpath's use of activitystrea.ms for common UX across integrations with multiple social sites/services. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bED8nu_aj1)
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@lidingpku
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: the users we have at crushpath are not super techy - we do client-side integrations to Facebook, Twitter … (twtr.io/bEDCH9yp1u)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: I use PubSubHubbub to alert customers about new information. It was great that there were so many Open Source tools (twtr.io/bEDCMxgXNi)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: Standards help me develop faster, because there is a lot of existing code and examples to work with (twtr.io/bEDG8gLnW8)
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@jasnell
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: we put activity streams everywhere, because it is very general. I can map FB OGP to activity streams if … (twtr.io/bEDHou9BPj)
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@dhinchcliffe
Interesting to hear @ciberch's list of #socbiz standards she's used including OAuth, Pubsubhubbub, Open Graph. and Activity Streams. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEDK_kUsUo)
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Loqi
Twitter cards require a biz relationship
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Loqi
Contact mgmt apis disparate (http://twtr.io/bEDNchqYtL)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #osfw3c @ciberch: Gotchas: data retention policies (LinkedIn)
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bret
browser api!
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bret
err social api
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@dhinchcliffe
Best quote from @ciberch from her @crushpath experiences: "I believe open #socbiz standards help people ship products faster." #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEDSFHwEHb)
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@socialmediaclub
Enjoying listening to enthusiasm of @ciberch talking about the innovative use of activity stream models @Crushpath. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEDSzUAt54)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #osfw3c @ciberch: I want native support in browsers for sharing and liking
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Loqi
for SSO links and for real time pushes/notifications (http://twtr.io/bEDTmNpp56)
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@benwerd
Refreshing listening to @ciberch talking about Crushpath: very on-point examples, and sensible asks of the w3c. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEDUTyNenE)
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@katmandelstein
Enjoying listening to enthusiasm of @ciberch talking about the innovative use of activity stream models @crushpath. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEDVsK30gb)
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Loqi
[@jasnell] RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: I want native support in browsers for sharing and liking
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Loqi
for SSO links and for real time pushes/notifica… (http://twtr.io/bEDWxocH9L)
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@rawn
True. What happens to Business when majority are exceptn?>RT @dhinchcliffe: Not process but Exceptions where #socbiz shines #osfw3c @jhagel (twtr.io/bEDYJsqwML)
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@lehawes
Hearing desire for basic social functions (e.g. liking, sharing) to be standardized and built into web browsers. HTML5 Components? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEDbJZDgyQ)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Eric Meeks: UCSF profiles are based on open source code from Harvard. We added Shindig to an unofficial version of the source (twtr.io/bEDg0TzFuf)
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@katmandelstein
MT @dhinchcliffe: Best quote from @ciberch of @crushpath "I believe open #socbiz standards help people ship products faster." #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEDiUpsodQ)
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@nodoTIC
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twtr.io/bEDmVFocc4)
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@lehawes
RT @rawn: What happens to Business when majority are exceptn?>RT @dhinchcliffe: Not process but Exceptions where #socbiz shines #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEDnSsqfRb)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Eric Meeks: the OpenSocial Person data model was not a good match for researchers - a PR and technical challenge (twtr.io/bEDsGbsauf)
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@appfusions
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Mark Crawford (SAP): about 85% of business activity is non-transactional, and this is why we need social tools (twtr.io/bEDwHDEaSw)
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@ellenfeaheny
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Eric Meeks: UCSF profiles are based on open source code from Harvard. We added Shindig to an unofficial version of … (twtr.io/bEDz1A6w00)
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@katmandelstein
Linked Open Data is a standard supported by many publicly funded institutions for expressing semantic data. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEE3Gj_8H5)
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Loqi
[@appfusions] RT @dvdsmpsn: “@benwerd: Hearing this over &amp
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Loqi
over: social needs to be platform that works w/ activities &amp
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Loqi
SW already in enterprise #osfw3c” (http://twtr.io/bEE8VE0pM5)
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@t
made it to #osfw3c workshop. Those of us with our own #indieweb domains are writing them on our badges in red Sharpie. (ttk.me t4RQ3) (twtr.io/bEED5akFwo)
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bret
academia needs more http://worrydream.com/Tangle/ before social imo
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@simonstl
The IndieWeb as a minimally viable social web ecosystem - http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html (twtr.io/bEEMih90aC)
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@annbass
Eric Meeks: 'developers not being intimidated counts for a lot' #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEESybFWzD)
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bret
I wanna hear more about IBM's second life stuff
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@ellenfeaheny
Eric Meeks just described very nice use case exs of OpenSocial integrations in play at UCSF. #momentum #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEEYSYGDN8)
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bret
What IS open social? It looks like a mailing list
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@superfeedr
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: I use PubSubHubbub to alert customers about new information. It was great that there were so many Open So… (twtr.io/bEEc27kiFC)
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@appfusions
Core! "RT @annbass: Eric Meeks: 'developers not being intimidated counts for a lot' #osfw3c " (twtr.io/bEEcczu4Sf)
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aaronpk
crap did anybody catch the URL of his inSite thing?
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@lehawes
Interesting. Boeing makes creation of a profile in their ent. social network an opt-in process. Half of employees have done so. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEEgMQqerU)
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aaronpk
also what is with all the w3.org URLs requiring a login
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@jasnell
#osfw3c from what I'm hearing, the activity streams 2.0 proposal fits right in with requirements being discussed (twtr.io/bEEnE6efNQ)
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@t
just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4) (twtr.io/bEEpdsgRBV)
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@harryhalpin
Great talk by @ciberch about how ActivistyStreams allows Crushpath noticing that having OGP process owned by Facebook is a pain #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEEqKEmHAR)
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@fdevillamil
RT @t: just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4) (twtr.io/bEEwqgH7LY)
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bret
"heavy duty lorries"
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@ProcessSphere
Its live! Workshop on Social Standards: The Future of Business follow #osfw3c for live streaming http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html #social #bpm (twtr.io/bEF2mwzhrj)
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@lehawes
Boeing's inSite ESN built on JAVA and Apache tools. No login needed. It does have SSO, but also supports anonymous users. inSite #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEF7fx1FaU)
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@katmandelstein
MT @lehawes: Interesting. Boeing makes creation of profile in their ent. social network opt-in process.1/2 employees have done so. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEFBVu0ndf)
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bret
Anyone posseing to sharepoint?
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@katmandelstein
The Boeing Insight enterprise social network uses widgets to make it easy for users to add content to the network. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEFKq_jg1s)
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@appfusions
Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz (Big request we get alot too. Single userbase of truth) #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEFKwigHHv)
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@rawn
#osfw3c Thinking aloud: "What are 3 social objects (technical) would you say are absolutely essential to your use case / scenario?" (twtr.io/bEFNhqLL7U)
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@ciberch
Done with #osfw3c talk. I hope it was useful to other implementors. Thanks @kevinmarks for your live tweeting - lets catch up ! (twtr.io/bEFP3fYNUG)
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@rawn
#osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thoughts @annbass ? (twtr.io/bEFVswd5Db)
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@aaronpk
Much utility of enterprise social networks is finding the right people to talk to within an organization. #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/3/osfw3c) (twtr.io/bEFadArwDs)
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@ellenfeaheny
I heard auth ? RT @rawn: #osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thoughts @annbass ? (twtr.io/bEFahhi79s)
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@rawn
#osfw3c @eric_meeks UCSF #top3 seems: profiles, data integration (linked data/Opensocial) and ??? (twtr.io/bEFiAiUyJf)
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@katmandelstein
RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEFjwjBmqf)
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@ellenfeaheny
W/ every #osfw3c speaker, heat goes up - very interesting to be in same room w/so many people committed to solving integrated social biz. (twtr.io/bEFq6Tc1s0)
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@kevinmarks
RT @aaronpk: Much utility of enterprise social networks is finding the right people to talk to within an organization. #osfw3c (http://t.co… (twtr.io/bEFqE9m3aU)
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@bduperrin
RT @katmandelstein: RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEFwCTYpqw)
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Loqi
[mention] http://inkdroid.org/journal/2013/08/07/notes-on-social-mobilization-and-the-networked-public-sphere/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why (pingback)
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Loqi
[@rawn] #osfw3c startup http://memect.com talking human-centered design approach to how do we remember across various social &amp
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Loqi
walled gardens (http://twtr.io/bEG09tue0H)
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@lehawes
RT @katmandelstein: Boeing's 3 tenets for their enterprise social network: Find something, Share something, Ask something. #socbiz #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEG1iAXRSQ)
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@rawn
RT @ellenfeaheny: I heard auth ? RT @rawn: #osfw3c From Boeing prez, it sounds like top 3 things: profile, expertise, and ??? More thought… (twtr.io/bEG23XwyoY)
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bret
Can large scale data work without a DB?
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@dmi
RT @benwerd: On RSS: "We never had anybody call us up and ask, 'hey, can we get a SOAP feed?'" If they ever do, call an exorcist. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEG8yxJs14)
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@lehawes
People are central to social computing. So, IMO, standards dev should focus first on profile and identity. Then system interop. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEG9dRxvqR)
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@t
if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGMao45UY)
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@driessen
RT @lehawes Ford Motor Co's Ed Krebs "we don't design cars in SharePoint." Social platforms need to connect w/ other enterprise syst #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEGNmjWcDb)
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@getify
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGNv4XVGo)
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@SinanTaga
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGNxL9__f)
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@pxlape
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGPWaL8fZ)
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@rawn
RT @jasnell: @rawn @annbass Profile is a function of Identity. Expertise is a function of Network and Context. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEGS70jHZs)
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@sull
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGSG_D7C0)
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@rawn
So @jasnell, you're saying the atomic objects are: identity, network, context #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEGT8nKTRs)
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@alvincrespo
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGeECHQBm)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGeNAcK0H)
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Loqi
[@katmandelstein] MT @lehawes People are central to social computing. Standards dev should focus 1st on profile &amp
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Loqi
identity then system interopability. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEGeh_bTE8)
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@jakeludington
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGfBz5ahw)
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Loqi
[@rawn] No but http://Wikispeed.org can. It is possible&gt
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Loqi
RT @lehawes Ford Motor Co's @edkrebs "we don't design cars in [Social]." #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEGfFL2TLY)
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@jasnell
@rawn To start with, yes. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEGgDcE7_Q)
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@chuq
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGgGmEGtM)
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@dhinchcliffe
@rawn @jasnell I'd suggest the #socbiz base objects are 1) identity 2) structure (social graph, context), 3) flow (activity streams) #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEGgfLXFuf)
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@t
@manusporny - am not going to link to a *PDF* about proposed *web* technologies (however bloated). #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ6) (twtr.io/bEGh4rSU7U)
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@lehawes
Ghost of Doug Engelbart pervading Memect presentation at #osfw3c. Talking about extended and collective memory created by working socially. (twtr.io/bEGngK74Tj)
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benwerd
tantek - introducing http://www.fatberg.org/
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aaronpk
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 5 karma
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tantek
benwerd oh dear
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tantek
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 6 karma
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bret
benwerd++
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Loqi
dude
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bret
aaronpk++ for twtr.io
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@t
new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twtr.io/bEGvGKxVXj)
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@sgillies
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGw2jq2Jf)
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benwerd
aaronpk++
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Loqi
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mapkyca
I wonder...
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@lidingpku
RT @lehawes: Ghost of Doug Engelbart pervading Memect presentation at #osfw3c. Talking about extended and collective memory created by work… (twtr.io/bEGxsbwqmR)
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mapkyca
Loqi++
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Loqi
Loqi has 170 karma
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aaronpk
karma throttled
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@lehawes
RT @dhinchcliffe I'd suggest #socbiz base objects are 1) identity 2) structure (social graph, context) 3) flow (activity streams). #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEGz5jTeSw)
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@cstanhope
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEGzHUiDZs)
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aaronpk
rate limiting kicks in pretty quick
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bret
doh
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bret
Love, but not too much love :p
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@katmandelstein
Interesting: Bank of America now has more customers accessing via #mobile than traditional PC or laptop web connectivity. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEH2ap3QSf)
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@davidillsley
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEH2n1_5N8)
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@rawn
debated yesterday Activity streams turning into sewers. Filters may work then we have freq filter failure @dhinchcliffe @jasnell #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEH8rmP6oY)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] @dhinchcliffe @rawn @jasnell sounds very familiar. Person
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Loqi
Friends
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Loqi
Activity in OpenSocial
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Loqi
hCrad, XFN, hAtom in microformats #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEHAfa3wSf)
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@ewg118
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEHC8V0sZ4)
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Loqi
Not well solved yet. (http://twtr.io/bEHCqu4aV5)
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Loqi
[@dhinchcliffe] @katmandelstein @appfusions: Federated user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c &lt
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@rawn
@dhinchcliffe @jasnell "context" is structure but can be heavily overloaded. Or perhaps there's a BNF or RDF for that #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEHEbhVaMc)
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bret
benwerd, our organization wanted to inquire about your new cloud platform, fatberg.
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aaronpk
benwerd: needs more microformats
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@applemcg
RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twtr.io/bEHFrhxGDu)
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aaronpk
and permalinks :D
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benwerd
alright alright alright
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@lehawes
Fitting that conversation fragmentation exists at #osfw3c discussion on social standards. Some using Twitter, others IRC backchannel. (twtr.io/bEHJk3GZM4)
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bret
IRC 4 lyfe
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@rawn
#osfw3c Dan Schutzer /BITS is literally describing Project VRM right now (twtr.io/bEHMpUzJQ0)
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bret
the original federated social network
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bret
(that we still use?)
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@aaronpk
@lehawes and some are using both! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-07/line/1375904709 #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/3/osfw3c) (twtr.io/bEHPpA6w00)
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/3/osfw3c linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-07/line/1375904709 (webmention)
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aaronpk
meta
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@katmandelstein
@Tank18SF Thanks for hosting #osfw3c! Cool space for the event. (twtr.io/bEHRafvcPE)
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tantek.com
edited /social-standards (+8) "written" (view diff)
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@KeriHenare
RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twtr.io/bEHX3pEAh9)
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@katmandelstein
@dhinchcliffe Run into multiple user profile issues at clients all the time. This should be table stakes...we need a solution. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEHguGe8wZ)
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@annbass
Our brains can host about 2.5 pedabytes, but information is contained in silos with small amounts of information #osfw3c @lidingpku (twtr.io/bEHhARwFhw)
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@aslakr
RT @t: just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ4) (twtr.io/bEHkUAj5kb)
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@aslakr
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEHkm_KoG0)
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@katmandelstein
RT @annbass: Our brains can host about 2.5 pedabytes, but information is contained in silos with small amounts of information #osfw3c... (twtr.io/bEHmMgoRXk)
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bret
aaronpk: send this to that person commenting about twitter vs irc: http://www.bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png (if you want)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Q: the 'teenager' data model baked into the standard discourages adoption [er, optional fields are optional] (twtr.io/bEHpvpmXk4)
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@t
@annbass here's a good start: http://indiewebcamp.com/social-standards #microformats #hcard #hentry #webmention #xfn #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ8) (twtr.io/bEHsbE1E5t)
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@rawn
We don't have a data model for that :) RT @annbass: Our brains can host 2.5 petabytes, but information is in silos #osfw3c @lidingpku (twtr.io/bEHvDec9ps)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: @annbass here's a good start: http://indiewebcamp.com/social-standards #microformats #hcard #hentry #webmention #xfn #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ8) (twtr.io/bEHzRX5GeV)
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@rknLA
RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twtr.io/bEJ1qx_Ftb)
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@larrysalibra
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEJ373QTE8)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Q: one of the immense pains in the butt of working for a big company is the lawyers - wouldn't even let us donate test cases to w3c (twtr.io/bEJ7Jt_saC)
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@ArthurThornton
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEJ9yYX4Ex)
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Loqi
[@rawn] RT @jasnell: Profile = Who am I
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Loqi
Context = Why am I here
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Loqi
Network = Who do I need to interact with
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Loqi
Data = What info is important #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEJRTEcNR5)
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@t
really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall? (ttk.me t4RQ9) (twtr.io/bEJfhFzUhi)
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@techKeith
Impressed with the amount of Enterprise Linked Data and RDF/OWL adoption being shared today. More than I expected. Good to see. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEJsHdJhqg)
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@veganstraightedge
RT @t: new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twtr.io/bEJsJigCAh)
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@julien51
RT @t: really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall? (ttk.me t4RQ9) (twtr.io/bEJzf900Vs)
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@briankenn
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEK3RQcdCG)
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@t
@annbass if someone does not know enough HTML to publish specs+slides, they know not enough to innovate on top #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQA) (twtr.io/bEKJvmNpjY)
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tommorris
tantek: wait, OpenSocial still exists?
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tantek
tommorris - lol
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@Hasgaroth
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEKr17SkBU)
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@davidmead
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEL54Q7E3k)
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tommorris
tantek: oh, by the way, I've been meaning to put out a guide on how to do microformats2 + RDFa. a kind of crazy mix-n-match for obscure properties.
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tantek
tommorris - we should talk about how to use h-x-* and p-x-* microformats2 extensions instead
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tantek
it's likely much simpler than going to the trouble of keeping track of RDFa attributes as well
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tommorris
it's as much to document crazy fun properties ;)
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@joshuajuran
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bELMEaHvZL)
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@haddnin
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bELTeZjgPC)
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tantek
tommorris - p-x-* is fine for crazy fun properties
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@stilkov
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bELr3GS8hf)
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@katmandelstein
Tasty Mayan food from http://pocchuc.com for lunch, interesting seasonings. Thanks for supporting #osfw3c! (twtr.io/bEMBDPVpWf)
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@Musebrarian
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEMi1M9xFj)
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@hamnis
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEP3UmL7KU)
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@dvdsmpsn
“@katmandelstein: RT @appfusions: Federatd user profiles continually brought up as major pain point w/ #socbiz #osfw3c” (twtr.io/bEP9hME8zj)
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@fdevillamil
@t do you mean that #osfw3c actually stands for Open Source FireWall 3 something? (fv.gs ZzixyV) (twtr.io/bEPJPFGR6A)
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Loqi
[@MoxieSoft] RT @lehawes: IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record &amp
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Loqi
Systems of Engagement. #osfw3c &lt
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Loqi
We're past due! (http://twtr.io/bEPPfzbsBj)
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@PaddySweeney01
RT @JimLundy: @dhinchcliffe @rawn @opensocial Focus was on Enterprises that are doing their own widgets. Lots are. #socbiz #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEPSWyJghQ)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c the day when men form a line. should we pay advance for unexpected use? https://twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365215112556052482/photo/1 (twtr.io/bEPnLcy1Eh)
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bret
Did AT&T contribute much to developing the web? (serious question)
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bret
bell labs
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bret
I guess
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@eric_meeks
If JSON-LD were a stock, I'd buy it #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEQWNu81RL)
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@ordnungswprog
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEQq1LZ38o)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c challenges in mobile social web: trust, scalability, ux . #att https://twitter.com/lidingpku/status/365218149727076352/photo/1 (twtr.io/bEQsST_yzC)
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tantek
one of the nice things with having complex versions/attempts at standards out there is that such things serve as a honeypot for "enterprise" developers.
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bret
XD
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bret
It would be nice to be able to get push without an apple sanctioned certificate
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tantek
is that too snarky to tweet?
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c "challenges for mobile social networks" by Laurent-Walter Goix (Telecom Italia) and Bryan Sullivan (AT&T) http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/Opportunities%20and%20challenges%20for%20standard%20Mobile%20Social%20Networks.pdf (twtr.io/bER9rTF03D)
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aaronpk
possibly
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bret
tantek: that might be a little trollish
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aaronpk
bret: unlikely
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aaronpk
re: apple push, not tantek
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tantek
benwerd - I believe the current presentation gave you more text for fatberg.org
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aaronpk
ARO - Application Resource Optimizer
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benwerd
I like that very much
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benwerd
I zoned out (was paying attention to a work thing) and am not sure what MFA means in this context?
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@annbass
Fantastic food from http://pocchuc.com for #osfw3c workshop. YUM! (twtr.io/bERHiRGYML)
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bret
How do I use an ARO?
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tantek
benwerd did you get SNeW?
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benwerd
SNeW is fantastic.
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benwerd
I always use ARO with my SNeW.
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@Gkellogg
RT @eric_meeks: If JSON-LD were a stock, I'd buy it #osfw3c (twtr.io/bERMPgCwAg)
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@danbri
RT @jasnell: #osfw3c from what I'm hearing, the activity streams 2.0 proposal fits right in with requirements being discussed (twtr.io/bERQQwxMCY)
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tantek
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Snew
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benwerd
nobody ever checks dictionaries when they name these things.
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@JBezivin
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bERUh4wLcM)
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benwerd
major rule: never pick a name before checking it on Urban Dictionary at the very least.
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@danbri
RT @harryhalpin: For those that want to follow the discussion for the social workshop, check out http://irc.w3.org channel #osfw3c for… (twtr.io/bERd95QKgt)
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@Gkellogg
At #osfw3c, @eric_meeks rocking with JSON-LD at UCSF for social applications: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/LinkedDataOpenSocial.pdf (twtr.io/bERdJso4Z4)
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@rawn
Listening to the eCousin project http://www.ict-ecousin.eu/ on making Content Distribution services more social-aware #osfw3c (twtr.io/bERj4FSnk6)
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Loqi
[@webtechman] About 85% of business activity is non-transactional &amp
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Loqi
is why we need social tools - @MCrawfordUSNvet RT @dhinchcliffe @kevinmarks #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bERjX6pSbp)
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@benwerd
Interesting ideas from Telecom Italia about prefetching content based on your social interests using unused bandwidth. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bERrr9FJQ1)
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@benwerd
I absolutely do not want my devices to prefetch content that I haven't explicitly indicated I'm interested in subscribing to. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bERvsG2eHL)
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@rawn
#osfw3c the eCousin approach vaguely reminds me of Blackberry content distribution mgmt and prefetching info http://ow.ly/nJ7jS (twtr.io/bERzyNqYKC)
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@jasnell
@benwerd HTTP/2 server push might mean you wouldn't have a choice in the matter #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEST7jkDb2)
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@benwerd
RT @jasnell: @benwerd HTTP/2 server push might mean you wouldn't have a choice in the matter #osfw3c (twtr.io/bESUQd9ucs)
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@rawn
#osfw3c I don't recall that story from Marty Cooper but I get to play with that very cellphone of his. :) (twtr.io/bESWLDyawo)
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aaronpk
roles - one of the killer apps in social
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Loqi
[@benwerd] @jasnell That sounds like it's ripe for some terrible use cases. I don't want to passively receive
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Loqi
I want to actively retrieve. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bESekk7DzV)
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@Gkellogg
IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEShNPU3yw)
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@jasnell
RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twtr.io/bESoYjCzek)
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@manusporny
RT @eric_meeks: If JSON-LD were a stock, I'd buy it #osfw3c (twtr.io/bESpGqu1PE)
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@rawn
#osfw3c @jasonroygary "I think roles are one of the killer app of social" I'd say there's no such thing as a role. it's a limit on reality (twtr.io/bESrwUYWS8)
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aaronpk
"Oracle is not a social networking company. We actually build technology"
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aaronpk
that's what I heard
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benwerd
I really strongly dislike this idea of servers proactively sending you content
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bret
UDPBlockPlus
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benwerd
In a world where everyone can be an active participant, I almost feel that broadcasting is immoral
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@ciberch
RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twtr.io/bET2w930G0)
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@sjhuskey
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bET4nNi6aj)
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@jasnell
@rawn @jasonroygary Roles emerge at the intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bET6wAnJ2g)
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@ciberch
@Gkellogg pubsub also mqtt at IBM Collaboration Group /cc @andypiper @jasnell #osfw3c #makessense (twtr.io/bETDbQnq2f)
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@jasnell
@ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c (twtr.io/bETPap0eU0)
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@rawn
Context can be highly variable >>RT @jasnell: @jasonroygary Roles emerge at intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bETQJGLMQG)
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@ciberch
Thanks, but I still don't want to write RDF #osfw3c JSON-LD now is starting to intrigue me... (twtr.io/bETVxT7fJ9)
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@webtechman
@appfusions Federated User Profiles in Social Software could happen with an extended version of #gravatar in the Enterprise #osfw3c #socbiz (twtr.io/bETfqWYBXE)
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@rawn
@jasnell It's Predefined / expected in-advance roles vs. Context-derived roles w/ highly varaible/unique scenarios #osfw3c @jasonroygary (twtr.io/bETg3oc9kc)
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@jasnell
@ciberch I don't think any sane person would ever want to write RDF. JSON-LD gives us something more tangible and immediately useful #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEThgYsetb)
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@t
Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB) (twtr.io/bETqQTqawo)
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@jasnell
@rawn @jasonroygary What are the real differences between those? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bETrC_LREg)
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@webtechman
RT @rawn: Context can be highly variable >>RT @jasnell: @jasonroygary Roles emerge at intersection of Identity and Context. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bETt88CfbJ)
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@aaronpk
@benwerd Agreed for un-related content, but the use cases described in HTTP 2.0 push seem reasonable... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/4/osfw3c (twtr.io/bEU0of7kvC)
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@pxlape
RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB) (twtr.io/bEU2EJ9B6g)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /p3k (+179) "/* Itching */ sticky hashtags" (view diff)
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bret
Even something like prezi is better than powerpoint. Gawlllll
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@benwerd
@aaronpk Agree with you. HTTP 2.0 is about faster delivery, not pre-emptively sending you completely unrelated content. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEU6GffKV4)
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aaronpk
prezi makes me dizzy
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB) (twtr.io/bEUC8em6_g)
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@Gkellogg
RT @t: Learned at #osfw3c: @W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF. (ttk.me t4RQB) (twtr.io/bEUERjHh6x)
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aaronpk
benwerd: another one for you: SIOC http://sioc-project.org/
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benwerd
I forgot about SIOC!
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aaronpk
oh also synergy
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bret
aaronpk: On indienews, am I only able to submit links to pages that I can edit?
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bret
(to put the syndication link on)
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aaronpk
bret: yes, you have to be able to add the syndication link
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benwerd
aaronpk: added. thank you. Synergistic is there as an adjective!
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bret
got it
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aaronpk
not sure if a bug or a feature
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aaronpk
http://meme.loqi.me/4RQEK72q.jpg
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@rawn
@jasnell Are you here in the osfw3c workshop in person or listening in? (twtr.io/bEUQ4isaQp)
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Loqi
grins profusely
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bret
Maybe a linklog style post could provide a mechanism to post external links?
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aaronpk
you could always "like" an external link and syndicate your like to indienews
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bret
right, something like that
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bret
but what if its something I don't like, but I feel is important or usefull to share
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@ciberch
@jasnell I still prefer our simple http://activitystrea.ms JSON best. Less "developer friction" /cc @kevinmarks #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEUh5u9a_R)
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@benwerd
Roles fundamentally don't fit into my view of the world, but I grudgingly understand the need in traditional enterprise structures. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEUn80bTwo)
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bret
I don't want any relationship with any advertiser….. except google maybe
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benwerd
I suppose a situation where I block them from accessing any of my data or tracking me in any way is a kind of relationship
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bret
aaronpk: see number 7: http://dashes.com/anil/2013/07/rules-of-internet.html
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@jasnell
@ciberch yeah which is why the AS 2.0 proposal is defined the way it is... aligned with JSON-LD without going all in /cc @kevinmarks #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEUvTdsjaD)
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aaronpk
bret: yea, could share a note about it
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@kevinmarks
@ciberch @jasnell so @context is the new profile attribute on the head? cc @t #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEV00EiJpc)
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aaronpk
like write a note about it and include a link in the note
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@ciberch
@kevinmarks @jasnell meh with @'s in front of key names, code like obj = Hashie::Mash.new(JSON.parse(response)) will fail #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEV2djiQ5L)
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aaronpk
like this http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/4/osfw3c
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aaronpk
whoa tantek this one's already in google! http://tantek.com/2013/219/t9/wondering-osfw3c-code-products-permalinks-web-firewall
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@jasnell
@ciberch No, AS 2.0 doesn't use the @'s. /cc #osfw3c @kevinmarks (twtr.io/bEV8eLzQ5P)
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bret
aaronpk: what about the concept of "blog spam", where people put their blog in the way of something interesting on a community voted link page….. maybe looking to far off
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bret
I may be*
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aaronpk
yea, I think the idea of non-author-submitted content for indienews is still TBD
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bret
ok
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aaronpk
i was just suggesting stuff you can do right now
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bret
i won't worry about it right now
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bret
k
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bret
there has to be some kind of rule that if its not " public / open web." its not the web
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bret
its something else at that point
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aaronpk
it's still web, it's just not Web
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aaronpk
if there's no permalink it's not web
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c sameas + provenance again. key to data integration in social web. (twtr.io/bEVLMSE9Vc)
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aaronpk
but behind-the-firewall use cases are legit IMO
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@ciberch
@jasnell ok cool I approve :) Have we found people who want to be asms 2.0 implementors ? #osfw3c /cc @kevinmarks (twtr.io/bEVM_QMszj)
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@jasnell
Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEVN0_dM_w)
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@lehawes
Discussing concept of 'roles' at #osfw3c workshop. Tough to understand what role someone in an organization is playing, as it can shift. (twtr.io/bEVNz_ZCxd)
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bret
aaronpk: but the "standard" has to also exist outside of the firewall
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aaronpk
yes
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@benwerd
Predictions of the death of Active Directory and LDAP. "Those are dinosaurs", to be replaced by rich profiles. Amen. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEVYCSmPRt)
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@t
@ciberch which specs in what open web sites? URLs? @harryhalpin intranet-only specs are as dead as ActiveX. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQC) (twtr.io/bEVaj1LQAg)
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@snoopdave
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEVamaPPE8)
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@harryhalpin
@ciberch @jasnell question is backwards compatibility. JSON-LD wants @ context in header for JSON. Try as a AS default, no header? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEVc6o9a8o)
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@rawn
@jasnell @jasonroygary Are we making roles/context/interaction from social now sound too much like roles/Transactions/processes? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEVcNHJsaC)
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@lehawes
Thinking out loud: Could a Profile standard contain user information that could be used to understand contextual role? Tough nut. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEVd7f3814)
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@rawn
@jasnell @jasonroygary ie, Rather than dealing w/ the adhoc/variability of social, we're turning it into predictable process model #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEVrZL36aj)
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@jasnell
@rawn Is there really a difference? /cc #osfw3c @jasonroygary (twtr.io/bEVtNNKVmh)
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@ciberch
@t https://developers.google.com/+/api/latest/activities is using activitystrea.ms JSON #osfw3c - I was using their API yesterday. Superfeeder uses pubsubhubub (twtr.io/bEVwX_TGq9)
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@jasnell
@rawn I would argue that social in business is likely already a predictable process model /cc #osfw3c @jasonroygary (twtr.io/bEW0DL2asY)
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@ciberch
@t uses on the intranet and enterprise are valid as well and there are plenty #osfw3c IBM uses asms, Yammer's stream API and Chatter also (twtr.io/bEW3mY1MM5)
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@rawn
@lehawes sounds like @jasnell are saying Roles are the intersection btwn Identity and Context objs in Opensocial. #osfw3c ie. they exist (twtr.io/bEWDA8vMAQ)
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@lehawes
#osfw3c workshop discussing benefits/challenges of a single, standardized web browser. IMO, social standards baked into HTML5 = better. (twtr.io/bEWEdiyRGo)
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@toddbarnard
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEWPMRTQsK)
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@lehawes
@jasnell @rawn Not sure social is a 'process', but there are definitely 'patterns' that can be defined and leveraged. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEWQX78KqR)
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@harryhalpin
@jasnell @ciberch Link headers are rare, try as @context a default in AS spec. Perhaps discourage @ convention and assume default. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEWRoMaBMd)
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@ciberch
@t @kevinmarks and I are sitting at the same table arguing back and forth about specs via Twitter #polite #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEWRtoTQNR)
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@jasnell
RT @ciberch: @t @kevinmarks and I are sitting at the same table arguing back and forth about specs via Twitter #polite #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEW_bTf_3k)
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Loqi
[@rawn] Ref back to growing % of Exceptions in process>&gt
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Loqi
RT @jasnell: social in business is likely already a predictable process model #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEWcgYYwbG)
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christopheducamp.com
created /social-standards-fr (+1586) "[fr:first draft translation]" (view diff)
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@t
@harryhalpin PuSH yes. OGP? Who consumes besides FB (+ some Twitter)? Rest are dead or intranet-only (dying). #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQD) (twtr.io/bEWj5HrDM5)
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@kevinmarks
hmm, http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/schema.pdf says it can't load the PDF. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEWmcWAUUp)
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@benwerd
@kevinmarks If only there was another format to represent textual information on the web. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEWra1rQ9c)
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@hmendes
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEXoq7t1Hs)
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@januszesser
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEXpnkamuw)
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@benwerd
One notable absence from #osfw3c - where are the browser vendors?? (Mozilla aside - and kudos to them for being here.) (twtr.io/bEY02pdhh8)
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@lehawes
@jdcalus @jasnell @rawn Patterns are less rigid than processes. They're repeatable, but at more abstract level of detail. Agree? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEYeJkmuWS)
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@rawn
It's semantics>RT @jdcalus: @lehawes @jasnell If social is a repeatable approach to solving a problem, doesn't it become a process? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEYuttL5yR)
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@dehora
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEZFgQB8ij)
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tantek
ok folks - let's re-engage on the Etherpad
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tantek
this part is likely more relevant to indieweb interests
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tantek
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/osfw3c
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aaronpk
tantek: if I want to return an auth token along with a Location header, should I use my own HTTP header name or use "Authorization" even though "Authorization" is usually only used in requests
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tantek
aaronpk - not sure - collect that as a q/issue and let's answer after today's talks
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aaronpk
ok
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tantek.com
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@harryhalpin
@benwerd Shane from Mozilla is here, and Dmitri from Chrome will be here tomorrow. We did ask MS to send us an IE guy but no show. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEZYSdzLEw)
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tantek
welcome back brianloveswords
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brianloveswords
tantek: hello!
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Loqi
[@lehawes] RT @kevinmarks "a process makes people adapt to it
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Loqi
aims for consistency. A pattern is more flexible" Agree 100% Not just semantics #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bEZ_h6635b)
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tantek
(brianloveswords are you at Tank 18? if not, easily crashable)
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@metropolis81
Thanks Everyone for The Kind Attention from Fabio and the whole e-cousin Group I represented here! #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEZdHctUTj)
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brianloveswords
tantek: I'm not, I'm currently at the DIY.org office – how late is the tank18 thing going?
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brianloveswords
This place looks pretty rad
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aaronpk
brianloveswords: talks until 5:30, mingling until 7 http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html
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@gfxman
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEZgYxfBSw)
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tantek.com
edited /Google+ (+186) "note Activities API, thanks to @ciberch for the URL" (view diff)
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@metropolis81
RT @lidingpku: #osfw3c "challenges for mobile social networks" by Laurent-Walter Goix (Telecom Italia) and Bryan Sullivan (AT&T) http://t.… (twtr.io/bEZrzv0acc)
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@gfxman
Vibrant discussions and coverage of the day so far via Twitter is going on at #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEZvphon4Y)
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brianloveswords
aaronpk: ah ha! I will try to make it out there a little later if I can.
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brianloveswords
In any case, I'm gonna try to crash the workshop tomorrow.
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aaronpk
great!
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@harryhalpin
@kevinmarks http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/schema.pdf should work now. There was some odd error on W3C site, just reloaded file. Its his slides #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE_2rV5cr0)
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@t
@ciberch thanks for G+ API link. Looks proprietary, based on but not actually ActivityStreams: http://indiewebcamp.com/Google%2B#Activities (ttk.me t4RQE) (twtr.io/bE_83Y07fo)
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@aaronpk
Two interesting sites built the morning of #osfw3c day 1: http://twtr.io/ and http://www.fatberg.org/ (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/5/osfw3c) (twtr.io/bE_DsvkEEQ)
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@jasnell
Sitting here amusing myself imagining @t cursing quietly to himself every time a PPT or PDF presentation goes up on the screen... ;) #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE_H0PfQ6Q)
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@lehawes
Learning about JSON-LD at #osfw3c. Way down in the weeds for me, but very useful all the same. (twtr.io/bE_MiezR0o)
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tantek
how is anything about JSON-LD useful?
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tantek
nevermind "very useful"?!?
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aaronpk
seems like html and <a> tags covers most of it
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tantek
aaronpk - it does
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brianloveswords
I have not understood JSON-LD ever.
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tantek
it's fairly ignorable
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aaronpk
ok if it's ignorable i'm going back to finising indieauth spec
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brianloveswords
aaronpk, I support this move.
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shaners
aaronpk: wrt twtr.io, https://twitter.com/statuses/[tweet id] also expands to the correct url
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bret
just *pretend* for now
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aaronpk
shaners: oh cool, didn't realize that
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shaners
(in addition to the https://twitter.com/_/status/[tweet-id] that you're using)
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tantek
oh dear - center-aligned text on slides!
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tantek
(aaarrggh!)
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@ciberch
@t 's way or the highway ! @t = #html #4life #notajsonfan /cc #osfw3c (twtr.io/bE_uZwFEVM)
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@Gkellogg
RT @jasnell: @ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEaHWqT0cL)
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@t
@ciberch intranet-only (or centric) specs fail (WS-*). Standards succeed in the open, then enterprise adopts. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQF) (twtr.io/bEaK59C3GG)
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@ciberch
@t not advocating for intranet-only specs. I only advocate for the best solutions I see to common problems #open #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEaYGU0_R4)
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@Gkellogg
RT @harryhalpin: @ciberch @jasnell ideally, @context in doc, or HTTP header. With different media type could also be implicit. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEafHqTBhx)
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@metropolis81
RT @rawn: Listening to the eCousin project http://www.ict-ecousin.eu/ on making Content Distribution services more social-aware #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEafTcqzyw)
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@vassko
finished a fascinating session at Ricoh checking their new collaboration apps and connected projectors. Cool stuff, next #osfw3c integration (twtr.io/bEajKuXXQo)
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@t
@ciberch if your spec is only adopted by intranet, it's intranet-only. specs without open web traction fail. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQG) (twtr.io/bEb8p9LjNQ)
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shaners
JSON-LD vs HTML+mf2 : https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849
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aaronpk
nice
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aaronpk
oops extra underscore in Cynthia
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@davidcmoulton
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEbU2k4Gmw)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c the pains with ontology/taxonomy: (1) create it and reach consensus (2) use it to classify things and reach consensus. (twtr.io/bEbYRfdJ1b)
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shaners
aaronpk: where?
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aaronpk
the text inside the <a> tag
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aaronpk
s
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@t
#osfw3c #Schema-org talk: is nonstarter for open web due to no RF patent license for consuming: http://schema.org/docs/terms.html (ttk.me t4RQH) (twtr.io/bEbbXZX90p)
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shaners
ah. yeah.
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shaners
fixed
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shaners
i'll blog it
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aaronpk
sweet
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Sam Goto (Google): verb actions inherit from a hierarchy starting at Thing, so AppendAction looks like: http://sdo-actions.appspot.com/AppendAction (twtr.io/bEbj7hKUdQ)
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@kevinmarks
ah bugger, my auth got borked and my live tweets didn't go out #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEbrnXqp1u)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @GKellogg: The goal of JSON-LD is to express information in JSON and allow that to be interpreted without apriori knowledge (twtr.io/bEbxM559QH)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #osfw3c @GKellogg: Linked Data is a way to name things using URIs so they are unambiguous
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Loqi
use http so they can be resolved (http://twtr.io/bEbyBGWGjo)
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aaronpk
I thought it was a bit quiet in here :)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @GKellogg: a @context is a key added to a JSON document that defines the vocabulary used within it in terms of URIs (twtr.io/bEbzS2ifij)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #osfw3c NB @GKellogg is using http://json-ld.org/context/person in his example
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Loqi
it doesn't resolve. Violating his own stated principle (http://twtr.io/bEc0zfgyBC)
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@Gkellogg
RT @Gkellogg: @AlBaker_Dev JSON-LD for social web slides: http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/gkellogg1/jsonld-json-for-the-social-web #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEc2Pd4HZs)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @GKellogg: one great use of JSON-LD is JSON, so can be used within Mongo, thought Mongo forbids @ and URI's as keys [whut?] (twtr.io/bEc2wrecjY)
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@t
#osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twtr.io/bEc4ch0XRs)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Sam Goto (Google): this is closer to SOAP or WDL - wouldn't Google be more powerful if we can describe what you can do on a site? (twtr.io/bEc6ZqWVgL)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Sam Goto (Google): do verbs have arguments? If we think of verbs as functions, the semantic roles act as parameters (twtr.io/bEcC34qHxL)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Sam Goto (Google): We wanted the properties to be specific to verbs [seems a misunderstanding of generative grammar] (twtr.io/bEcCiw2qx7)
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@lehawes
OPENi is an interesting effort, funded by the EU, to provide one API for developers to use to access multiple web sites/services. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEcGsX4BXD)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twtr.io/bEca4S22A9)
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@aaronpk
Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/6/osfw3c (twtr.io/bEcfzLD2DN)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @Gkellogg so instead of looking up what the JSON means in one API doc, I have to read an arbitrary collection of URIs to grok it? (twtr.io/bEcjbNJ3sY)
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@lidingpku
#osfw3c tricky twitter search: realtime https://twitter.com/search-home vs delayed https://twitter.com/search-home (twtr.io/bEcqQRU7pQ)
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@t
#osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twtr.io/bEcrD3fuFU)
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@royaki09
RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twtr.io/bEcu38XeE9)
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@brianloveswords
RT @aaronpk: Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://t.co/… (twtr.io/bEcuZ0VYwZ)
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@kragen
RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twtr.io/bEcuq2CM7C)
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@kevinmarks
RT @aaronpk: Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://t.co/… (twtr.io/bEcv5LfuBC)
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@lehawes
XMPP has federation capabilities, among others, that many don't realize. A very under-appreciated and under-used standard. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEcw5aML4G)
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@lidingpku
RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twtr.io/bEcyDLxrMb)
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@aaronpk
@t So really what this means is I am not allowed to parse http://schema.org data from others sites?... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/5/osfw3c (twtr.io/bEd5KvGnHL)
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tantek
aaronpk yes
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twtr.io/bEd83Y5Esp)
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@davidcmoulton
RT @t: #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twtr.io/bEd9yKMEf0)
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brianloveswords
aaronpk, tantek : oh wow I didn't know that.
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tantek
brianloveswords - yeah, it's a really bad situation
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@_jden
RT @aaronpk: Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://t.co/… (twtr.io/bEdFG24i9t)
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tantek
classic bully behavior. ok for you to publish for them, but not for anyone else.
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aaronpk
tantek: i'm trying to make other people notice it by rewording
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brianloveswords
I wonder what that means for LRMI – they recently got accepted into schema.org, http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/34236
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bret
tantek: you gonna get on th emic?
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aaronpk
no I think he's loud enough on the internet
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@brianloveswords
RT @aaronpk: @t So really what this means is I am not allowed to parse http://schema.org data from others sites?... #osfw3c http://t.c… (twtr.io/bEdQ87eUML)
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bret
XD
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tantek
aaronpk lol
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@rawn
#osfw3c A panoramic pic of the #socbiz standards workshop http://ow.ly/i/2OWB5 (twtr.io/bEdSRRmXk5)
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@aaronpk
Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/6/osfw3c) (twtr.io/bEdU6zosyf)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Q: is context stateful or stateless? How does that affect middleware? (twtr.io/bEdW_XDAFU)
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bret
someone should ask about the publish only part of schema
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bret
on the mic
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bret
thats like, a knock down argument against tit
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bret
it*****
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tantek
bret, pretty much
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aaronpk
tantek: check it out, I threaded my reply to myself the same on my site and on twitter http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/5/osfw3c
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@benwerd
RT @t: #osfw3c #Schema-org talk: is nonstarter for open web due to no RF patent license for consuming: http://schema.org/docs/terms.html (ttk.me t4RQH) (twtr.io/bEdauwQSan)
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tantek
aaronpk - nicely done!
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@jasnell
@kevinmarks Stateful vs Stateless is not useful IMHO Context is relevant to varying periods of time. Some very long, some very short #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEdiugkdZd)
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bret
tantek: citation for publish only schema?
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@vassko
RT @rawn: #osfw3c A panoramic pic of the #socbiz standards workshop http://ow.ly/i/2OWB5 (twtr.io/bEdmD_NotM)
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tantek
benwerd - perhaps you should answer the "What's the most important thing about federation? question"
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tantek
bret - citation and quote in my latest post
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bret
aight
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benwerd
tantek - Thinking about it
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tantek
benwerd - please!
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tantek
like, "shipping" :)
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@SafetyMentalst
RT @ciberch: @t @kevinmarks and I are sitting at the same table arguing back and forth about specs via Twitter #polite #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEdqPV0xxN)
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benwerd
:)
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tantek
ok I'm going to say open standards
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benwerd
The ability to create small pieces that you can loosely join so you can test workflows and models without significant investment
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benwerd
is my draft answer ;)
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tantek
go benwerd!
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: the mechanisms proposed for standards should be based on openly licensed proposals [unlike http://t.co/98smvqtMlr] (twtr.io/bEe2CW81RL)
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aaronpk
"the most important thing about federation is that it's shipped" -benwerd
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @benwerd: for federation we need technology that is small enough to actually be shipped, without worrying about upfront specs (twtr.io/bEe6FD2Uyf)
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@ciberch
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @benwerd: for federation we need technology that is small enough to actually be shipped, without worrying about upf… (twtr.io/bEe7Hgh25s)
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benwerd
got a kind of half-hearted shrug from the panel, but hey
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@ciberch
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: the mechanisms proposed for standards should be based on openly licensed proposals [unlike http://t.co/98smvqtM… (twtr.io/bEe8MLujks)
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@eric_meeks
#osfw3c So we need a process for specifications coming in and out of vogue, not a specification itself. Without being the wild wild west (twtr.io/bEeAgCRyBC)
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aaronpk
2 hands?
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @benwerd: Sam Goto asks if we think http://schema.org helps or harms the web. only 3 people say helps (twtr.io/bEeF3GYY8Y)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Sam Goto is defending http://schema.org as a way fro Google to coordinate inside the company (twtr.io/bEeKkuLo01)
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@benwerd
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @benwerd: Sam Goto asks if we think http://schema.org helps or harms the web. only 3 people say helps (twtr.io/bEeL1ojek7)
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@lehawes
RT @eric_meeks: #osfw3c So we need a process for specifications coming in and out of vogue, not a specification itself. Without being the... (twtr.io/bEeNEkgPQo)
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bret
should I ask him why schema.org is publish only?
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pius
#shotsfired
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Sam Goto: we didn't talk to the Activity Streams community because we talked to google employees who worked on it (twtr.io/bEegqRibp4)
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@lehawes
Hearing greater support for activitystrea.ms than I expected at #osfw3c, at least among architects and developers. That's good for #socbiz. (twtr.io/bEejKgLXHM)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google can consume it (twtr.io/bEekqyY4yg)
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@benwerd
Yeah! @t calling Google out on their very restrictive license for http://t.co/FQJObPpCv9. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEepuZYpzU)
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aaronpk
"uh, hi, so, not to give you a total smackdown, but..." -monica
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: microformats, Open Graph Protocol et al use OWFa -schema.org should too. Sam Goto: I can't speak for legal (twtr.io/bEes3bWGTj)
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@lidingpku
RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twtr.io/bEeuJqzesZ)
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@lidingpku
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google… (twtr.io/bEexAJ2YtN)
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@benwerd
You can't say that you're on the side of openness and user rights if you assist interests that restrict openness and user rights. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEf32CH9QG)
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@kevinmarks
RT @lehawes: Hearing greater support for activitystrea.ms than I expected at #osfw3c, at least among architects and developers. That's good… (twtr.io/bEf3ds1m5s)
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@webtechman
RT @lehawes: Hearing greater support for activitystrea.ms than I expected at #osfw3c, at least among architects and developers. That's good… (twtr.io/bEf5rRzjCo)
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bret
The open web isn't a shareholder in google
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@ciberch
@kevinmarks agreed on "http://t.co/hgjJ1nftrI's practices not being open and transparent" #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEfNGxaXZM)
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@ciberch
Who is the http://schema.org team ? #osfw3c #introverts ? (twtr.io/bEfU9EVL_9)
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@t
#owfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twtr.io/bEfgjc1vgt)
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bret
tantek rocking the boat! You presented your criticism clearly and politely though
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@aaronpk
@lidingpku Yes, @tantek captured it here: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/7/osfw3c) (twtr.io/bEfrvNVrHM)
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@t
#osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twtr.io/bEfs2boy1b)
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@lehawes
Wrapping up Day 1 of #osfw3c, which did a good job of laying out the current landscape of existing social standards. It's cocktail time! (twtr.io/bEg1ir1i2S)
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@evolt_org
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEg2v5v816)
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bret
well, what can I say: http://bret.io/2013/08/07/t1/
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bret
tantek: are you (or any others) going to see that TOS movie at the roxy tonight?
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@t
#osfw3c #Schema-org also sets a bad example in both forking #ActivityStreams and diverging /Person from IETF #vCard4. (ttk.me t4RQM) (twtr.io/bEgGKcxNGZ)
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tantek
bret - we could do that
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@frankolken
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google… (twtr.io/bEgNgiuGxb)
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@gcarothers
RT @t: #osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twtr.io/bEgWuB5chS)
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aaronpk
I might skip out, I still want to sort out my indieauth demo for tomorrow
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@kragen
RT @t: #osfw3c #Schema-org also sets a bad example in both forking #ActivityStreams and diverging /Person from IETF #vCard4. (ttk.me t4RQM) (twtr.io/bEgmQjr8sG)
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aaronpk
shaners: updated indieauth spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec
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aaronpk
i really hope it isn't too hard to read
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aaronpk
it's covering a lot of ground. I may need to make shorter tutorial-like guides for one side at a time
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aaronpk
(consumer vs server etc)
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@veganstraightedge
Please review the IndieAuth Spec for readability. https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec /by @aaronpk et al #indieweb folks (twtr.io/bEhgB5gBk4)
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to master at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/e31673cc9b...0af79b7398 [Github] (twtr.io/bEhvrmnkvC)
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aaronpk
oh hello there pkbot
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@jasnell
@t Agreed, but they're hardly the first to go down their own path. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEi6NT7ER5)
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@latrippi
RT @dhinchcliffe: Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://t.co/xtuUZ… (twtr.io/bEiUgXf3L_)
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bret
Can we get together some indieweb commenters tomorrow for the demos?
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bret
to send comments during the demo
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to master at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/0af79b7398...b26d9fb610 [Github] (twtr.io/bEipfuqKE8)
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aaronpk
yes, yes I did
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@latrippi
RT @aaronpk: Two interesting sites built the morning of #osfw3c day 1: http://twtr.io/ and http://www.fatberg.org/ (http://t.co/UjD6C… (twtr.io/bEjJEG3sfY)
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/d353e8f5fb...180da12721 [Github] (twtr.io/bEji_i8orD)
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@htmlkickstart
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEkQxrsr3U)
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/597586d1a1...0afb628f01 [Github] (twtr.io/bEkci05VfG)
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@dannydb_stellar
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bEm2UnVqw0)
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/0afb628f01...994c688cfd [Github] (twtr.io/bEmXV2MxgN)
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@t
@jasnell Google's market position makes them a bully when they go down their own path instead of working openly. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twtr.io/bEmu8EPbfZ)
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@jameswillweb
RT @t: #osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twtr.io/bEnEBkfqh8)
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/994c688cfd...06315818bd [Github] (twtr.io/bEnRRD4Rb0)
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aaronpk
bret: http://spec.indieauth.com/
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@mtaarao
RT @jasnell: Btw, the current Activity Streams 2.0 draft spec is here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-snell-activitystreams-02 #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEnt5d92_g)
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/773890b6be...9fed6cc262 [Github] (twtr.io/bEoKV1Q2ux)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: #osfw3c #Schema-org also sets a bad example in both forking #ActivityStreams and diverging /Person from IETF #vCard4. (ttk.me t4RQM) (twtr.io/bEoLXzWdiC)
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to master at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/b26d9fb610...8d3ce2406a [Github] (twtr.io/bEpD5SdCBj)
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@t
Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twtr.io/bEprzu3_Kj)
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@buttner
RT @gfxman: Vibrant discussions and coverage of the day so far via Twitter is going on at #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEpxpcZDJx)
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@pkbot
aaronpk pushed to gh-pages at indieweb/indieauth-spec https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec/compare/9fed6cc262...e8a3950ff5 [Github] (twtr.io/bEq73KHNqf)
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@matthew_meadows
#ack #gack #thesuck somebody has to be the pope of the indieweb and i think it's going to be purple \m/~ ~7,200... http://www.fandalism.com/rangothedog/bFES (twtr.io/bEqs6Xewo4)
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@AaronWhitman
RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twtr.io/bEqvUv4uBD)
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@cdevroe
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bErEAqRUTj)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c continued (at @ZeitgeistSf w/ 5 others) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/5202ff1d498e9130d5204a3c?s=MYIWajBqtT8c6c4unlc1lLPakg8&ref=tw (twtr.io/bEsKzRA5Wg)
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@brianloveswords
RT @veganstraightedge: Please review the IndieAuth Spec for readability. https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec /by @aaronpk et al #indieweb folks (twtr.io/bEtp0fjKZM)
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@ellenfeaheny
Today was an extremely awesome day!! #osfw3c (twtr.io/bEu2A4ywVs)
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Loqi
[@ellenfeaheny] QOTD by @jasonroygary .. Something like: "it's not just venue &amp
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Loqi
content &amp
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Loqi
energy .. It's WHO is here &amp
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Loqi
corps rep'd" #osfw3c #validation 10X (http://twtr.io/bEuYQC1Ttb)
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Loqi
[@ellenfeaheny] #osfw3c #socbiz top architects convene in SF today (&amp
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Loqi
tmrw) .. From all corners of US, France, Japan, Italy, etc.. #greatForwardProgress (http://twtr.io/bEvMxFqM9M)
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Loqi
[mention] http://vs.cartografsistemas.net/bocados-actualidad-161/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/projects (pingback)
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@appfusions
RT @aaronpk: Two interstg sites from the morning of #osfw3c day1: http://twtr.io/ and http://www.fatberg.org/ (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/07/5/osfw3c) (twtr.io/bF0aHTcBpN)
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Loqi
[@gfxman] RT @ellenfeaheny: #osfw3c #socbiz top architects convene in SF today (&amp
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Loqi
tmrw) .. From all corners of US, France, Japan, Italy, etc.. #great… (http://twtr.io/bF0cr5NpEf)
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@appfusions
RT @benwerd: Yeah! @t calling Google out on their very restrictive license for http://t.co/FQJObPpCv9. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bF0fMcNQmw)
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@andrew_mallis
RT @t: #osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad? Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (ttk.me t4RQL) (twtr.io/bF0feFytiV)
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shaners
aaronpk: could i get you to proof something for me before i publish it?
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Loqi
[@ellenfeaheny] Nice shot! &gt;&gt
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Loqi
RT @rawn: #osfw3c A panoramic pic of the #socbiz standards workshop http://ow.ly/i/2OWB5 (http://twtr.io/bF13DoPP9u)
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@appfusions
RT @aaronpk: Very nice comparison between JSON-LD and HTML representations of the same data https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6179849 #osfw3c... http://t.co/… (twtr.io/bF14pH2gmg)
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@billchristian
RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twtr.io/bF2kJdMDK0)
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@rawn
Dinner w @katmandelstein @lehawes @dbuddenbaum @gfxman http://ow.ly/i/2P1iH after #osfw3c #socbiz standards workshop (twtr.io/bF3JFgRcM4)
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@gfxman
RT @rawn: Dinner w @katmandelstein @lehawes @dbuddenbaum @gfxman http://ow.ly/i/2P1iH after #osfw3c #socbiz standards workshop (twtr.io/bF3Rt9XKFC)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twtr.io/bF3h8pBNam)
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tantek
aaronpk have you seen sandeepshetty around? wanted to ask him about webemention's license. Right now it's "released into the public domain" - CC0 works better internationally.
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@t1c1
RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twtr.io/bF5FJ4prW8)
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tantek
!tell sandeepshetty - any chance you could license webmention with CC0+OWFa? CC0 is an internationally-aware public domain declaration, and OWFa provides RF patent IP declaration.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell sandeepshetty spec.indieauth.com does CC0+OWFa (if you're looking for a github hosted example). Markup/phrasing docs here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards/license#Markup
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
shaners: hey i'm back
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aaronpk
tantek: no, I don't think anybody has heard from sandeep recently, we were just talking about that today!
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aaronpk
his last post was Jul 18th too
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tantek
I hope he's ok
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aaronpk
me too :/
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@lazycommit
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bF7jPeVVb2)
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@katmandelstein
RT@rawn: Dinner w @katmandelstein @lehawes @dbuddenbaum @gfxman http://ow.ly/i/2P1iH after #osfw3c #socbiz standards workshop #downunder (twtr.io/bF805xoE99)
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@mueller_seba
RT @dhinchcliffe: Very kind mention by @edkrebs at his #osfw3c session about my #socbiz visuals. Most of my library here: http://t.co/xtuUZ… (twtr.io/bF8FVJYQbH)
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tantek
aaronpk I suppose we could issue a pull-request to webmention spec with the updated license MD
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aaronpk
heh true
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tantek
https://github.com/converspace/webmention
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tantek
easiest thing would be to change " Copyright" to "License" and "All contributions to this specification are released into the public domain." to the MD that you have.
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tantek
since you already have the MD for that, mind dropping him a pull request for it?
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tantek
feel free to point him to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Standards/license#CC0_OWFa_Preferred as reasoning in the pull request
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@katmandelstein
It's a long story... A panoramic pic of the #socbiz standards workshop via @rawn http://ow.ly/i/2OWB5 #osfw3c (twtr.io/bF8V1Zgy6w)
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aaronpk
well at least here's a twitter update from him 2 days ago https://twitter.com/sandeepshetty/status/364307463308189697
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@sandeepshetty
The Ubuntu Edge - the next generation of personal computing: smartphone and desktop PC in one state-of-the-art device http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge ()
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tantek
well at least he's around - though I'd expect his twitter updates be posse'd from his site
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@SameerPatel
“@lehawes: Ford Motor's Ed Krebs: "we don't design cars in SharePoint." Social platforms need to connect w other enterprise systems #osfw3c” (twtr.io/bF9nzU9HWf)
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@lbrt
RT @t: #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twtr.io/bF9y5GXPJR)
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@AAinslie
RT @t: #osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open. (ttk.me t4RQJ) (twtr.io/bFA8PD4DeE)
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@AAinslie
RT @t: #osfw3c contrast: Open publish+consume: * #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa * #OGP: #OWFa Publish only: * #Schema: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twtr.io/bFADZA53Mb)
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RT @dhinchcliffe: "Social analytics are a key part of a #socbiz solution." - @MCrawfordUSNvet #osfw3c Yep. Here's why: http://t.co/I0djFW1z… (twtr.io/bFC0A8NyzC)
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bret
!tell shaners That gist is perfect. It shows what 8 hours json-ld supporting w3c social talks failed to demonstrate in all of a dozen or so lines. Looks like we have some comments to reply to.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
shaners: bret left you a message 15 minutes ago: That gist is perfect. It shows what 8 hours json-ld supporting w3c social talks failed to demonstrate in all of a dozen or so lines. Looks like we have some comments to reply to.
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bret
!tell tantek doesn't use of the data html5 tag leave a lot of wiggle room for people to use invisible microformat data?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@tommyh
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google… (twtr.io/bFFuvRgDjZ)
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@tommyh
RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twtr.io/bFFwDa9540)
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shaners
bret: wrt my gist. i kinda don't have the energy or care to wax pedantic with an RDFa …proponent.
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shaners
if you wanna get in there, you can. ;)
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bret
I will when I get a chance.
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bret
I'm at a show with my sister right now. I should be asleep though. /oldman
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bret
I hate 8am mornings. I'm pretty sure the universe is expanding and the distance increase makes it harder to get up then.
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bret
In getting good at the pedantic thing :p
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@matro
@mattepp http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema (twtr.io/bFGYCS0BoH)
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Jihaisse
hello
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