2012-11-07 UTC
# 00:21 tantek ok looks like I managed to update it without PHP erroring even once :) # 00:27 tommorris the vagueness in the <cite> element back in the bad old days of HTML 4 really is biting us in the behind. # 00:27 tantek but this way, it's backward compat with the old (and new) definition of <cite> as well # 00:27 tommorris yep, not worried about the microformats, just the HTML for now. ;-) # 00:28 tantek plus the HTML is really easy to trim, say if you want just a hyperlink with the article title # 00:28 tantek like if you don't want the parenthetical (author date) at the end # 00:28 tommorris I'd switch it around with the cite just around the article title # 00:29 tantek I'd considered that, but then that required wrapping the whole thing in a separate span # 00:29 tantek that was a previous iteration of the markup :) # 00:29 tantek the old defn of <cite> was ambiguous/abused enough to accommodate this usage # 00:30 tantek … is flawed in a number of ways - e.g. doesn't permit you to cite speakers in IRC for example # 00:30 tantek adactio and I have been practicing violating that for a while now # 00:32 tommorris I mean, the backward compatibility thing really breaks the HTML 5 spec on that. if they take backwards compatibility seriously, they need to deal with the fact that cite doesn't mean what they think it means anymore # 00:33 tantek yeah - that's just Hixie being stubborn and rejecting authoring usage/adoption/intent (in violation of the HTML Design Principles) and instead preferring artificial precision in the spec for apparent precision's sake. # 00:34 tantek on a long enough timeframe, the HTML spec will have to adopt to author usage in the wild of this stuff dascher joined the channel
# 00:37 Loqi tantek meant to say: on a long enough timeframe, the HTML spec will have to adapt to author usage in the wild of this stuff catsup, tantek, lmorchard, dascher, adactio, friedcell, danbri and barnabywalters joined the channel
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tantek aaronpk, tommorris - I've added URL/HTML copy/paste fields (back) to my articles, e.g.: http://tantek.com/2012/296/b1/san-francisco-election-flyer-statistics
@BarnabyWalters Making a set of #symfony2 components allowing for indieauth and CardDAV to be used for #indieweb auth #php (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/536)