#indieweb

2017-03-20

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@super8trash
Testing Twitter / Bridgy (Indieweb) (please ignore) (http://tomwolf.be/b/VB) (twtr.io/1PiVzBCg5Zt)
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snarfed
final granary change to udpate instagram scraping: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/commit/22c7ff5d67f6f619907137a22e753c74e80469fc
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Zegnat
snarfed, “final”, that’s a famous last word ;)
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snarfed1
heh yes. final for just this change, since i posted an in progress version earlier
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petermolnar
http://imgur.com/VbWttOp
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Zegnat
If I want to get into SVG, anyone have a small and simple editor for it lying around that they would recommend?
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@cleverdevil
Wanted: Twitter client for iOS that sends all tweets, RTs, replies, and likes to my website via Micropub and then syndicates back. #indieweb (twtr.io/1Pj8fgVRwyg)
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@cleverdevil
I’d also like the same thing for macOS, but can settle for a web app there if I must. #indieweb (twtr.io/1Pj8ikbNbDt)
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@cleverdevil
Ultimately, I want to see a “reader” that pulls in from a variety of sources (RSS, Twitter), and enables #IndieWeb interactions. (twtr.io/1Pj9NCxChoZ)
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KartikPrabhu
Zegnat: Inkscape works well for me
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aaronpk
hm the swarm app on my ipod isn't showing me the button that lets me check in friends
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aaronpk
is this because of the smaller screen?
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@cleverdevil
@BeardOps ultimately, I believe the answer is in returning control of content and identity to people, not silos. #indieweb (twtr.io/1PjAMfCbWWR)
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aaronpk
it is! very strange
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@cleverdevil
It’s eerie how closely @DreamHost’s noble cause, vision, and mission parallel #IndieWeb principles. We need to figure out how to enable it. (twtr.io/1PjAWAoVvyw)
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@schnarfed
@cleverdevil yes! some thoughts: https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone and @dissolve333's https://inklings.io/inkstone/ is pretty great! (twtr.io/1PjCTLWjqzC)
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tantek
good morning #indieweb!
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tantek
/me checks to see if any more HWC venues have been setup
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tantek
Brighton!
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calumryan
hoping to see a few new faces at HWC London, been a little quiet of recent
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calumryan
also might consider a venue change to the east nearer Silicon Roundabout area
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[barryf]
calumryan We're moving to a new London office in May which may have event space possibility. I'll explain more on Wednesday.
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[barryf]
Also: simple check-ins now displaying on my site via OwnYourCheckin https://barryfrost.com/2017/03/20-175718
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[barryf]
s/Checkin/Swarm
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aaronpk
awesome!
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[barryf]
It was a small tweak to use "checkin" instead of "location". Works perfectly.
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aaronpk
glad to see the address fields came through okay. I only tested with a US venue
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tantek
what is OwnYourSwarm?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "OwnYourSwarm" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10dh
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[barryf]
Indeed. Plenty of useful info that I'm not using - yet. May be something to add to my site seeing as I store it.
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aaronpk
OwnYourSwarm is a service which sends your Swarm checkins to your own website via Micropub.
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Loqi
ok
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tantek
just dealing with a bunch of recent "inactive, and is scheduled to be reclaimed" messages from PBWorks, and now getting errors from their servers
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tantek
maybe it's time to do a manual export
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tantek
hmm I'm seeing PBWorks errors in general, even from other sites there not "scheduled to be reclaimed"
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tantek
like my own tantek.pbworks.com
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tantek
"We're sorry, the PBworks servers are taking too long to respond."
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tantek
anyone else?
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@100daysindieweb
Day 90: Person-tags for OwnYourSwarm Checkins #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/20/8/day-90-ownyourswarm (twtr.io/1PjMJeLsiaU)
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GWG
Afternoon
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@cleverdevil
User Experience and the IndieWeb: https://cleverdevil.io/2017/user-experience-and-the-indieweb (twtr.io/1PjUGxKKtb3)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "User Experience and the IndieWeb" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-03-20 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/user-experience-and-the-indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "A reply to Kimberly Hirsch: Doing my part to fix the internet" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/20/a-reply-to-kimberly-hirsch-doing-my-part-to-fix-the-internet/
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@ChrisAldrich
@kimberlyhirsh Congratulations and welcome to the #indieweb! http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/20/a-reply-to-kimberly-hirsch-doing-my-part-to-fix-the-internet/ (twtr.io/1PjUghUCr7k)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017 by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-20 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/#comment-34202
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@cleverdevil
@EddieHinkle @schnarfed @keithjgrant https://cleverdevil.io/2017/user-experience-and-the-indieweb tada! (twtr.io/1PjV_TeuGfY)
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@cleverdevil
@schiessle @smaffulli read up on https://indieweb.org for more. Lots of reasons :) (twtr.io/1PjZQy_GnMc)
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@EddieHinkle
This is a great, well thought-out post on what is needed for the IndieWeb to get to a place of wider adoption... http://eddiehinkle.com/social/2017/03/indieweb-ux/ (twtr.io/1PjZXj7hcDb)
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tantek
/me reads up on aaronpk's person-tags for OwnYourSwarm
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snarfed
excited at how ownyourswarm is shaping up to be a new backfeed service
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snarfed
/me has wanted more competition for a while!
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aaronpk
hehe
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aaronpk
don't worry, i'm not going anywhere near facebook/twitter/instagram any time soon
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@schiessle
@cleverdevil @smaffulli I read a lot about IndieWeb, not just now and tried/used a lot of the already available IndieWeb software. (twtr.io/1Pj_LVUeVRW)
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[cleverdevil]
🙂
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aaronpk
cleverdevil++
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Loqi
cleverdevil has 10 karma in this channel (11 overall)
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[cleverdevil]
Sometimes talking to GNU zealots is exhausting.
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tantek
cleverdevil++
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Loqi
cleverdevil has 11 karma in this channel (12 overall)
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KartikPrabhu
yes, "sometimes"
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[cleverdevil]
😉
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aaronpk
hm i seem to have gotten a webmention or pingback from a Medium blog.
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tantek
aaronpk, uh, I'm a little concerned you may be conflating (and confusing?) mentions and tags
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tantek
in particular a mention does not and MUST not just be upconverted to a "tag" which is a much more deliberate action
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tantek
Swarm has *both* mentions and "with ..." taggings of people explicitly as checking them in
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M-mxuribe
tantek: not sure if you saw my note: https://riot.im/app/#/room/!kKmWxkHlnJmdHmuNeJ:matrix.org
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tantek
and your blog post https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/20/8/day-90-ownyourswarm seems to conflate them
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Day 90: Person-tags for OwnYourSwarm Checkins #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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aaronpk
tantek: I convert the people in the "with" obect in the swarm checkin object to person tags
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tantek
M-mxuribe: don't know - that URL is js;dr, if you posted a note here in #indieweb, could you provide the chat.indieweb.org URL permalink to it?
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tantek
aaronpk - ok sounds like you built the right thing, and just your post about it is confusing
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aaronpk
yeah I actually do two things, and didn't explain that well in the post
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aaronpk
let me update it
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KartikPrabhu
M-mxuribe: I can't see that note even with JS one
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KartikPrabhu
on*
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tantek
aaronpk, e.g. you said "When the checkin text includes mentions of people..." and that confuses the issue
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aaronpk
yes that's the other thing
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tantek
It might help if you provide an example that explicitly shows *both* mentions and tags of people as separate things
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tantek
because otherwise people are more likely than not to confuse the two
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aaronpk
i don't think you can check in with someone without also mentioning them tho
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tantek
E.g. I remember arguing even with kevinmarks about this, who I think was at first advocating that every @-mention in a tweet should be a "person-tag" when it clearly is "just" a mention
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tantek
aaronpk, a "with" is a *special* mention
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aaronpk
(also apparently the iPod version of swarm doesn't have the +person bnutton?!)
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tantek
it does
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aaronpk
not on mine! there must be some other criteria for it showing up
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tantek
pretty sure I captured that in my prose description
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tantek
aaronpk, would be good for your post to link to /checkin also :)
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tantek
aaronpk, yup, captured here: https://indieweb.org/checkin#Posting_UI
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aaronpk
https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-03-20-14-31-10.png
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KartikPrabhu
so much orange!
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tantek
aaronpk - so weird - it's totally missing!
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tantek
which iPod/iOS?
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aaronpk
old ipod touch (no front camera), ios 9.3.1
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aaronpk
typing "with @aaronpk" does not check my in fwiw
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M-mxuribe
tantek: your site seems down...thats pretty much the note.
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tantek
right, that's just a mention
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tantek
M-mxuribe: yeah, I'm dealing with a bandwidth support issue :(
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tantek
(since ~9:30am this morning for today, but issue has been going on for a week or so)
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M-mxuribe
ah, ok. sorry to hear. ok, good luck.
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tantek
thanks M-mxuribe. I've started to document some of the issues (in a generic fashion) on /bandwidth and bear has helped add to the Troubleshooting also
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tantek
since these are potentially problems that others who run their own sites may run into
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tantek
aaronpk, I just took a few screenshots and will upload
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aaronpk
just updated my post to hopefully clarify
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gRegorLove
Good afternoon, indieweb
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: Are the three dots there only to open more sticker options?
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aaronpk
yes
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aaronpk
that collapses the keyboard and the sticker choices take its place
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tantek
/me finishes re-activating a dozen pbworks sites
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tantek
seems like the PBWorks not loading error was quick and ephemeral
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gRegorLove
What is PBWorks?
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Loqi
PBWorks is a wiki content-hosting silo that was originally called "PBWiki" https://indieweb.org/PBWorks
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tantek
what is a badge
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "badge" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10dk
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tantek
what is a sticker
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "sticker" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10dm
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tantek
huh
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tantek
Foursquare had badges, Swarm has stickers: http://venturebeat.com/2014/05/09/foursquares-new-swarm-app-means-the-death-of-badges-mayors/
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aaronpk
badges in foursquare are earned, but stickers you can apply to your checkins
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aaronpk
different game mechanics. i wonder why they switched.
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tantek
untappd also rewarded with badges
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tantek
aaronpk, most Swarm stickers *are* also badges, in that you have to earn them before you can start using them
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aaronpk
yeah it's a hybrid, but earning them just earns you the ability to use them, rather than the badge appearing on your checkin automatically
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tantek
there's a difference though in use / appearing
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tantek
in Foursquare the badges may appear as part of your checkin, but just in the commentary / description IIRC
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tantek
in Swarm, the stickers are overlaid on top of your icon
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tantek
hence seem "stuck" onto you
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aaronpk
i thought the badges appeared over the icon too. there must be some old screenshots
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tantek
and this is why we take screenshots
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tantek
aaronpk, in case it helps, screenshots uploaded: https://indieweb.org/checkin#Swarm_Posting_UI
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aaronpk
i wonder why i don't see the little + button on mine
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gRegorLove
Just noticed the Swarm profile page (in-app) shows a world map with your checkins clustered at the top
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tantek
gRegorLove: more screenshots welcome! (like that) https://indieweb.org/Swarm#User_Interface
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tantek
person-tag << https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/20/8/day-90-ownyourswarm
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[https:/[[aaronparecki]].com/2017/03/20/8[[day]]-90-ownyourswarm]]" to the "See Also" section of /person-tag
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Day 90: Person-tags for OwnYourSwarm Checkins #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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tantek
sigh
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tantek
lol
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aaronpk
Loqi: you're fired
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tantek
wow look at all those brackets that Loqi added!!
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aaronpk
aha
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aaronpk
fixed
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tantek
\o/
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KartikPrabhu
so Loqi is rehired?
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tantek
sounded like Loqi got retrained a bit
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aaronpk
/me gives loqi a monkey wrench
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Loqi
/me eyes the monkey wrench
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@mattscomments No, not a plugin (yet?). I exported them via the Amazon Kindle Desktop app and added some CSS to improve the mark up a" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-20 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/mattscomments-no-not-a-plugin-yet-i-exported-them-via
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Notes, Highlights, and Marginalia: From E-books to Online by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-20 http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/24/notes-highlights-and-marginalia/#comment-34208
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Featured Posts by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-20 http://boffosocko.com/#comment-34209
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tantek
good evening #indieweb
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KartikPrabhu
evening
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@UXTopNews
User Experience and the IndieWeb http://gettopical.com/ux/558c8824918ec16df76535236118aa26?src=twitter via @cleverdevil https://twitter.com/UXTopNews/status/844061722491174916/photo/1 (twtr.io/1PkKY281MvG)
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bignose
<URL: http://gettopical.com/ux/558c8824918ec16df76535236118aa26> refuses to show me if I choose to remain secure from unknown code executing on my computer. where can I read the actual article?
(or join via IRC, Matrix, or Slack)