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# 01:12 tantek man - Sign in with Twitter is *super-slow* on Plancast right now # 01:12 tantek maybe it's a too many external scripts problem # 01:19 tantek huh - now it's working fine … in Firefox at least smus joined the channel
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# 10:09 tommorris Despite all my indieweb posturing, I'm a massive FB addict. ;) # 10:10 barnabywalters really? wow, so if I accept your request will my timeline get overloaded? or are you more of a watcher/commenter/liker? # 10:10 tommorris well, I post things on there that I don't post on my site because of privacy # 10:11 tommorris and FB does offer you the ability to adjust how much timeline activity you get from people # 10:11 tommorris I added you more because I wanted to show you a silly reaction I'd had to a post on my own site re. hashtags # 10:13 barnabywalters ha, cool :) hashtags, the bane of twitter -> facebook inter-silo POSSErs everywhere # 10:14 tommorris yeah, this was tommorris.org → Twitter → Facebook for triple-win. # 10:14 barnabywalters er, why do you have the PHP elephant in your profile photo? I thought you didn’t touch PHP # 10:15 tommorris and it's the best photo of me since I took clippers to my hair. # 10:15 tommorris and people were always complaining that I didn't look like my old profile pic adactio, barnabywalters, hadleybeeman and jancborchardt joined the channel
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# 15:13 tommorris just realised there's something non-technical we should have on 'why' - that you don't happen to be part of the ingroup for a particular social networking service # 15:15 tantek tommorris - except that that usually results (as in the example you gave) with launching of a *different* silo, rather than an indiewebsite # 15:18 tommorris perhaps you want something like Pinterest but without ANY gender assumptions. or you want a blogging site without any age/community assumptions (unlike say Livejournal or Tumblr) # 15:18 tommorris if you have your own site, you have a blank slate while the silo services come with a set of social assumptions about their users. # 15:18 tantek (that's not directed at you personally tommorris, obv :) ) # 15:19 tommorris I tweeted a while back something along the lines of "I'm holding Anti-Social Media Camp at my house, you aren't invited, fuck off." # 15:20 tantek tommorris - to be fair, just being "on the web" comes with a set of social assumptions as well - whether we like it or not # 15:21 tommorris oh sure, but avoiding the particular assumptions of specific silos is *a* reason one might wish to be independent. # 15:21 tommorris it's more of a social positioning reason rather than an objective technical reason, but it's still a reason that will be valid for some people. # 15:22 tantek the Pinterest social backlash reminds me of a Brady Bunch episode about girls vs. boys clubhouses (or was it treehouses, or both?) # 15:22 tantek it's like, no one is making you use the site, why the backlash? # 15:22 tantek or if you don't like what's being posted, post what you do like instead # 15:23 tommorris when it first came out, there were lots of guys on sites like Hacker News who just couldn't see the value in it # 15:23 tantek "couldn't see the value" and "this site doesn't reflect *me*" are two different things indiewebcamp-vis joined the channel
# 15:25 tantek sadly, I feel the Pinterest backlash may be somewhat a result of white-straight-het dudes being very uncomfortable with being the minority on any supposedly general purpose/audience web site (they're so not used to it). # 15:25 tantek so instead of confronting their own internal discomfort, they blame it on the site # 15:39 tantek manteresting is not a male version of pinterest - we already have the rest of the internet for that. manteresting is a parody of pinterest. jedahan joined the channel
# 15:40 tommorris looked semi-legit, in as much as there was SEO spam on there. ;) # 15:41 tommorris but, yes, might pull it out. it kind of detracts from the awesome that is danah boyd scor joined the channel
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tantek if you do manage to login in, there's this now: http://plancast.com/p/hhdw
@daualset Great insights from @NickGrossman on the paradox of enhanced individuality &
Loqi community of the #indieweb http://theslowhunch.net/post/46343671804/the-indie-web ht @Shareable
@froehlichfrei RT @svenkaemper: Mr. @t on Silos vs an Open Social Web [#indieweb] - http://tantek.com/2013/073/b1/silos-vs-open-social-web (lesenswert, liebe deutsche Netzgemeinde)
barnabywalters morning tommorris
tommorris this realisation prompted by the launch of http://manteresting.com/ - the dudebro version of pinterest