#indiewebcamp 2013-05-19

2013-05-19 UTC
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aaronpk whoa, h-cards are like magic
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aaronpk I had some markup and was like "oh hey I should turn that into an h-card as an example". literally all I changed was I added 'class="h-card"' on the container div and it was done
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aaronpk so... microformats++
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aaronpk almost done with post... *whew*
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aaronpk is anybody syndicating content to Linkedin?
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aaronpk just noticed techcrunch has a linkedin share button along with twitter/facebook/google
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aaronpk !tell tantek I'd love to get your feedback on this post before publishing: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/05/18/1/stop-reinventing-meta-tags
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 20 minutes ago: I'd love to get your feedback on this post before publishing: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/05/18/1/stop-reinventing-meta-tags
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tantek aaronpk, reading.
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tantek quick minor nit: microformats property names are always singular, as pluralization is done by marking up multiple instances
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tantek e.g. instead of "u-fb-admins", you want "u-fb-admin"
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tantek aaronpk - one use of supporting indieauth on your site is so you can post drafts that are only visible to people who sign-in and are on your whitelist.
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tantek or heck, allow *anyone* signed-in to see them
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tantek (just to make it easy for now)
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@ItsJustLaci #Bored http://indieweb.co http://instagram.com/p/Ze747FM3hi/
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aaronpk yea good idea about using indieauth for post drafts
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aaronpk that part of my site has no knowledge of logged-in users though, will have to figure out the easiest way to add that
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@AlastairSweeny Indie Web Movement: http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page
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@xtof_fr ébauché stratégie éditoriale de #mydatalabs sur http://mydatalabs.com/Twitter
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xtof may i introduce you to Thierry Marianne which should arrive soon http://profiles.weaving-the-web.org/about/thierry.marianne
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xtof Speciality : photo
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thierrymarianne Hello everybody! I've been nicely invited by Christophe Ducamp to join the conversation. As he mentioned a bit earlier, I enjoy quite much taking photos during all sorts of events. See you around.
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thierry.marianne.weaving-the-web.org created /User:Thierry.marianne.weaving-the-web.org (+130) "Created page with "Web Weaver [http://thierry.marianne.weaving-the-web.org Personal hub page]<br /> Photographer [http://shal.snapshots.fr Portfolio]"" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /Previous_IndieWebCamps (+3005) "moved content from home page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+3283) "moved content to its own page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+628) "added some more posts" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /posts () "(-3289) moved posts to [[Posts about the IndieWeb]]" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Previous_IndieWebCamps (+9) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Previous_IndieWebCamps (+1159) "increase header levels. add photos." (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:theskiff-logo.png]]""
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:clearleft-logo.png]]""
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aaronparecki.com edited /Sponsors (-1) "uploaded logos from 2012/UK sponsors since hot-linked ones were dead already" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013 (+66) "/* Help Out */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /how-to-sponsor (+64) "/* Sponsorship */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /how-to-sponsor (+267) (view diff)
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tommorris so, ladies and gents... Tumblr.
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aaronpk ..yes?
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aaronparecki.com edited /how-to-sponsor (+58) "/* See also */" (view diff)
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tommorris Now being eaten by Yahoo. Sunsetting awaits.
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aaronpk wait what
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aaronpk how in the ... someone yesterday was telling me about that
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tommorris $1.1bn
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aaronpk this was just posted like 30 minutes ago. were there substantial rumors for the last couple days or something?
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aaronpk "Yahoo has agreed to pay $1.1 billion in cash for the company, one of the people said."
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aaronpk "Tumblr would continue to operate largely as an independent business, the people said."
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tommorris yup
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aaronpk uh huh
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aaronpk ah here is the rumor post from yesterday http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/05/18/tumblr-and-yahoo-latest-details-on-the-imminent-deal/
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aaronpk and from friday http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/05/17/tumblr-in-talks-with-yahoo-facebook-and-microsoft-also-said-to-be-circling/
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aaronpk and in the last 30 minutes all these other sites posted articles
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aaronpk that doesn't just happen on its own, looks like a coordinated PR launch to me
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tommorris really need to switch my Tumblr URLs over.
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aaronpk it's time
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aaronparecki.com edited /2012 (+22) "add venue" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013 (+99) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2012 (+33) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Main_Page () "(-4043) moved 2013 events to the top of the page. moved past events to their own page [[Previous IndieWebCamps]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: I moved stuff around on the home page like we discussed. I'm also trying to figure out how we could make a page more like these for the 2013 event: http://2013.brioconference.com/ http://2012.realtimeconf.com/
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aaronpk wow http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/yahoo
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tantek marketing cheese?
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tantek the brio one is shallow copy above the fold. no dates, no location, nothing useful.
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aaronpk I was referring more to the long-form web page, much less dense text than wikis lend themselves to
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tantek aaronpk - too bad the UK photos got dropped completely - could we have kept one at least in the right column?
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aaronpk yea, was there a group shot of UK?
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tantek no
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tantek didn't get a group shot - the side-by-side stitching was the best I could do
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tantek that's what those four images were
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tantek :(
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tantek aaronpk - for big poofy stylized text we could create /2013/flyer - and then go nuts in all kinds of crazy graphical ways
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tantek keeping the main wiki pages focused on being *useful* is more important than marketing cheese IMO
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aaronpk yea, I want something a little nicer to send people to
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aaronpk s/people/sponsors
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: yea, I want something a little nicer to send sponsors to
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tantek sure - that makes sense
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tantek corporations tend to be impressed by glossy things
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tantek so /2013/flyer is a good place to sequester that
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aaronpk works for me
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tantek aaronpk - nicely done with http://indiewebcamp.com/Previous_IndieWebCamps
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tantek and separating that content from the home page
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aaronpk great
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aaronparecki.com edited /Previous_IndieWebCamps (-24) "/* IndieWebCamp UK 2012 */ center the UK photos" (view diff)
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tantek and well done with putting the general IndieWeb stuff after the upcoming event
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tommorris snarks at http://tommorris.org/posts/8292 ;)
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aaronpk tommorris: :)
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tantek :)
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tantek anyone started a pool for when tumblr links stop working?
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tantek 5 years? 7?
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tommorris I reckon the ArchiveTeam should be queueing up Tumblr for gonzo backup about now
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aaronpk wow, flickr has been 8 yahoo for 8 years now
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@generalising/status/336213083993305088 ;)
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@generalising @tommorris instead, they'll be treating it like their crown jewel, flickr! Um.
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-2) "move previous indiewebcamp summary closer to the bottom" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - yes - great job on the home page.
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aaronpk thanks
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aaronpk I want to always have the upcoming events on the home page, and move past events to the new past events page as soon as they are over
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tantek that makes sense
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tommorris Tumblr post-Yahoo: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/f595edf06384cfa9bfd73aa8573f59b5/tumblr_mn273iHaPd1reeztlo1_1280.jpg
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tantek we also have the http://indiewebcamp.com/Events page for a more comprehensive listing
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aaronpk I somehow missed that tumblr is full of porn this whole time
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi hehe
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+28) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, and funnily enough, Flickr too (always be careful when looking at favorites of people that favorite your photos on Flickr).
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aaronpk I knew about flickr ;)
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aaronpk tantek: this page is now only visible if you're logged in! http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/05/18/1/stop-reinventing-meta-tags
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aaronpk that begs the question... is there a way to cleverly use the www-authenticate header where a browser extension could automatically start the indieauth process?
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aaronpk why yes, there is :D
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aaronpk and it will even work with someone else's install of IndieAuth
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aaronpk (the header will, not signing in to my site)
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aaronpk WWW-Authenticate: IndieAuth placeholder="{domain}" location="https://indieauth.com/auth?me={domain}&redirect_uri=http%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Fsignin.php%3Fredirect%3D%252Farticles%252F2013%252F05%252F18%252F1%252Fstop-reinventing-meta-tags"
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aaronpk if my browser sees that, it should recognize "IndieAuth", then parse out the placeholder and location values, replacing the placeholder string in the location value with my domain (assuming my browser knows my domain), then redirect the browser to that URL
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tantek aaronpk - re: "page is now only visible if you're logged in" - YEAHHH!!!!! Well done.
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tantek THIS is an awesome use-case for implementing indieauth sign-in on your own site.
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tantek put it on the indiemark!
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tantek BOOM: "
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tantek This post is a draft. You are seeing it because you are signed in as tantek.com
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tantek "
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aaronpk sweet!!
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tantek.com edited /sign-in-use-cases (+527) "signed-in access only posts - document an *implemented* use case!" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - now that you've implemented that, curious to hear your thoughts on the other uses cases there: http://indiewebcamp.com/sign-in-use-cases
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aaronpk thanks! was trying to find that page
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aaronparecki.com edited /Why_web_sign-in (+46) "/* See Also */ [[sign-in-use-cases]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk there... linked that up a bit better
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aaronpk tantek: the commenting use case is perhaps no longer as useful given that we're already doing distributed comments with pingback+webmention+microformats!
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aaronpk also, a new one -- getting feedback on draft posts!
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aaronpk kind of like minor edits, but not necessarily just editing existing text, would want a place you could leave notes for me to read
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aaronpk in fact, I specfically asked several questions in my draft that I would like feedback on, would be convenient if when you logged in there was a place for you to leave feedback
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aaronpk otherwise it goes into a public channel (IRC) or you could leave me feedback as a private post on your site