#indiewebcamp 2014-08-21

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ShaneHudson Quick hack before bed, looks like I will be able to get a basic implementation of webmention working nice and quickly on the new site :)
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KartikPrabhu power of twitter cards? : http://www.subtraction.com/2014/08/20/a-twitter-card-that-does-something/
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GWG KevinMarks: What is tantek saying now?
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KevinMarks has anyone used https://github.com/laurilehmijoki/s3_website ?
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/502352742497546240
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@kevinmarks Remember when I asked @twitter to allow HTML in tweets? http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/12/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun.html They will if you are a car company: https://twitter.com/Acura/status/502174391472386048 (twitter.com/_/status/502352742497546240)
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KevinMarks another way embedding tweets in your own site beats tweeting links to them: https://twitter.com/hackedy/status/502357218499379201
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@hackedy If you tweet a link to a tweet that has been deleted, twitter web just... doesn't show anything https://twitter.com/hackedy/status/501871138750754816 (twitter.com/_/status/502357218499379201)
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: nice response to the car tweet
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: is there an indielink to that tweet? or should I just like the tweet itself?
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Loqi [mention] https://richardskingdom.net/posse-indiewebcamp-looks-interesting-social-self-hosting linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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@graphiclunarkid POSSE from IndieWebCamp looks interesting for social self-hosting http://richardskingdom.net/?p=1168 (thanks @lewiscowper!) (twitter.com/_/status/502375895370170368)
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KevinMarks KartikPrabhu: I don't have tweet POSSE set up yet, but I could PESOS it
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KevinMarks hm http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/remember-when-i-asked-twitter-to-allow-html-in-tweets
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KevinMarks maybe it should be a post not a status
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/if-these-are-native-ads-im-going-off-the-reservation
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KevinMarks hm. Now I'm going to get grumpy about inviisble links
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KevinMarks grumpy -> https://github.com/idno/idno/issues/412
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KevinMarks hm, bridgy comments on blogger are less than ideal: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/12/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun.html
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: interesting that known processes https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/car-twitter-cards as a comment and not a like-of
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KevinMarks makes me look a bit self-absorbed to post all the favs
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KevinMarks !tell snarfed it might be better to adc bridgy as a co-author to a blogger blog so the comments from fav's don't make me look self obsessed: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/12/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun.html
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KevinMarks hm. not sure likes can display comments too
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KevinMarks which is this problem returning: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/kevin-marks-posted-i-frequently-retweet-old-style-to-add
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@graphiclunarkid Blog: POSSE from IndieWebCamp looks interesting for social self-hosting https://richardskingdom.net/posse-indiewebcamp-looks-interesting-social-self-hosting (twitter.com/_/status/502384867209125888)
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: my policy is that the like-of is for the original post and the content is for myself...
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@LewisCowper RT @graphiclunarkid: Blog: POSSE from IndieWebCamp looks interesting for social self-hosting https://richardskingdom.net/posse-indiewebcamp-looks-interesting-social-self-hosting (twitter.com/_/status/502386492120268800)
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@kevinmarks "@howtogeek: Remember when RSS was a thing? I feel so old." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502386755123703808)
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KevinMarks so they don't show up in http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: seems to show up as a like-of
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KevinMarks rel=bookmark http://instagram.com/p/WxGDicmT9b/
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KevinMarks bridgy makes me look a bit self-absorbed to post all the favs
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KevinMarks !tell snarfed it might be better to adc bridgy as a co-author to a blogger blog so the comments from fav's don't make me look self obsessed: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/12/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun.html 2:17:27 AM KevinMarks hm. not sure likes can display comments too
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ShaneHudson Just read 'What happens if Yahoo freezes your online account" on the Sponsorship page. That is exactly what happened to me! I had all my email etc on yahoo and while at school someone played a prank on Yahoo Answers and got my entire account blocked, never got it back
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@superglaze Remember Google’s Wave? Thanks to Sandstorm, it’s easy to start using again http://gigaom.com/2014/08/21/remember-googles-wave-thanks-to-sandstorm-its-easy-to-start-using-again/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502418326782746625)
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@tomguarriello RT @kevinmarks: "@howtogeek: Remember when RSS was a thing? I feel so old." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502419876196405248)
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@wiobyrne This is awesome - Remember Google’s Wave? With Sandstorm, it’s easy to use again #indieweb http://gigaom.com/2014/08/21/remember-googles-wave-thanks-to-sandstorm-its-easy-to-start-using-again/ https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/502426995234328576/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/502426995234328576)
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Loqi [mention] http://elliottucker.net linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://elliottucker.net linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-card (webmention)
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elliottucker just tried checkmentions on my new Known site and it's vulnerable to all the XSS attacks :(
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ShaneHudson adactio: Are you still using your minimum viable webmention script? I like the simplicity but not sure if I will need something more robust
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adactio ShaneHudson: yeah, it works for me for capturing webmentions. The complexity is in what you then do with them.
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ShaneHudson I was hoping you would say that :) I will use that as a base then. Cheers!
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@libel_vox RT @kevinmarks: "@howtogeek: Remember when RSS was a thing? I feel so old." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502450467583303680)
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Loqi [mention] https://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (pingback)
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@DavidAKennedy New on my blog: IndieWeb Member http://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ (twitter.com/_/status/502474027479605248)
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KevinMarks is the logging down?
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KevinMarks aaronpk: loqi isn't in the channel? the logs are showing webmentions but not people talking here
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KevinMarks_ Was there a netsplit?
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ShaneHudson Probably, didn't notice it though
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@KentonVarda RT @superglaze: Remember Google’s Wave? Thanks to Sandstorm, it’s easy to start using again http://gigaom.com/2014/08/21/remember-googles-wave-thanks-to-sandstorm-its-easy-to-start-using-again/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502491773545885696)
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annevk Is http://tantek.com/2011/220/b1/web-actions-a-new-building-block still a thing?
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annevk We'd like to make more parts of web browsing extensible by services. Think of bookmarking, sharing the address bar URL, picking a file, etc. Wondering how much attention that has gotten within this community and if there's anything I should read up on
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annevk And by "we" I mean some folks at Mozilla
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@charlieok RT @superglaze: Remember Google’s Wave? Thanks to Sandstorm, it’s easy to start using again http://gigaom.com/2014/08/21/remember-googles-wave-thanks-to-sandstorm-its-easy-to-start-using-again/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502492602155810817)
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tantek annevk - absolutely - more deployments all the time e.g. of the <action> tag and the whole way of doing this kind of thing in the UI. see http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions for the latest.
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tantek annevk - yes we should talk about this since I too am at Mozilla :)
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tantek annevk - this community is doing active development and deployment of web actions
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tantek so you've found the right place
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annevk tantek: okay, we don't have much yet on our side
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annevk mostly some notes on enabling UI for sharing and allowing services to plug into that
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tantek annevk - if by "we" you mean "Mozilla", that's mostly true. There has been some related work in Social API.
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annevk although Desktop has been working on a social API thingy that does this
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annevk see http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Sharing for our notes on sharing
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tantek annevk - because of all the noise/distraction from the mess that was Google's web intents, it made more sense to do UI-centric work here, by people who actually deploy stuff on their own websites.
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annevk the idea is to figure that out and then take the primitives and lessons from that to do more ambitious things, such as extending the way <input type=file> works and such
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tantek sure, that makes sense. there's a pretty solid core set of primitives that have developed in web actions.
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annevk The people that did WI realize it didn't work now :-)
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tantek annevk - but it's not clear they understand how broken their methodology was/is nor how to fix it, so it's not clear those people won't just repeat with new mistakes.
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tantek annevk - you may wish to check out http://indiewebcamp.com/share for the problem of "share" even as a term to use
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annevk I think they do, but we'll see
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tantek annevk - I don't think they understand a) UI-first above all else, and b) they kind of suck at UI
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tantek there's a fairly solid convergence in webactions on the primitives of "reply" and "repost"
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tantek there's some debate about "like" vs. "favorite" but I think that's because different services do/mean different things by them
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tantek "bookmark" is another primitive that's being used.
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annevk I'm not sure the terms matter much as in the UI it'll just be button
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tantek actually the terms matter in both the spec and the UI
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tantek if you pick bad terms, people will repeatedly get them wrong
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tantek annevk - re: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Sharing "our notes" - mostly your notes with some comments by Ehsan for the moment right? just making sure I understand what context of "our" you mean.
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tantek have you considered experimenting with putting web action buttons on your own site?
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annevk tantek: the current idea is that the action would be in the browser UI (which we're apparently already doing anyway)
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tantek annevk - I think it's good to try to solve that - add such actions to the browser UI. However with user testing with such things (e.g. using bookmarklets/favelets to approximate), I've found that users are more prone to see/use *inline* action buttons, specifically just below the content they just read.
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tantek so I think it's useful to have / enable *both* action buttons in the browser UI, and in-content
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tantek also re: http://annevankesteren.nl/2014/08/registerprotocolhandler I agree with your conclusions.
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annevk tantek: agreed, just UI seemed easier for now since a) we're having it already and b) gives us less API surface to worry about
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tantek related: I've done some research on URLs to activate various communication methods here: http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication
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annevk The share criticism page is interesting
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tantek specifically re: "any great user interface ideas" in particular, I've been working on
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annevk Firefox does call it "Share this page"
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tantek … been working on: http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience
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annevk nice
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tantek it does seem like this stuff is all related
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tantek though solving different use-cases
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tantek where does Firefox has a "Share this page" UI? I don't see it in Aurora
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tantek s/has a/have a
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annevk tantek: only Nightly I guess
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annevk tantek: looks like a paper plane
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tantek lol
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annevk next to the text balloon
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tantek annevk - for more on why that's funny, see https://bold.pixelapse.com/minming/share-the-icon-no-one-agrees-on
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tantek share is probably one of the confusing things in web related UI right now
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annevk yeah, we have number 8
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tantek if not the most
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annevk this came from Desktop / social API
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annevk my idea was to combine it with bookmarking
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annevk anyway, I guess I have some reading to do
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tantek so this is why I asked about experimenting with UI
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tantek e.g. on your own site
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tantek those of use that have done so have had mixed/poor results with "Share" as a UI button
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annevk I'll talk to Ehsan about maybe having a chat over Vidyo
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annevk to get everyone up to speed
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tantek and better results with specific things like "Like" "Repost" "Reply"
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tantek annevk - by everyone, is anyone else working on this besides you and Ehsan?
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tantek annevk - btw here is an example of what I mean by share UI on a post, see bottom of: http://tantek.com/2014/228/t1/google-killed-buzz-permalinks
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tantek s/share UI/web actions UI
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tantek (now you have me doing it ;) )
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tantek share--
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annevk tantek: Marcos helps out a bit, there's Andrew
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tantek cool
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Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message on 8/20 at 12:26pm: I really don’t understand how segregating people into “has” and ”wants” benefits anyone, but it’s better than “apprentice”
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annevk tantek: and we talked to Shane today we worked on the social API in desktop who's else interested in sorting this out (and reviving activities)
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tantek I'd like to avoid simply cargo-cult copying other browsers that may (or may not) have a share button
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GWG tantek, what was KevinMarks saying you were saying about Android sharing intents?
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tantek !tell barnabywalters ok I'll keep iterating on the IndieWebCamp UK guest list
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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annevk tantek: when is the UK event?
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tantek annevk - it would be *great* if you could come! It's 2014-09-06..07 in Brighton
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tantek I'll be there
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK
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annevk ah no, that's too soon
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tantek you should come anyway - we'll likely iterate on web actions there
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tantek among other indieweb things
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tantek just a train ride from London to Brighton for you right?
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annevk I'm in Switzerland these days
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tantek are you going to MozFest?
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tantek aside: GWG see /share
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annevk prolly not, trying to travel less
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tantek annevk - we've had pretty good remote participation at IndieWebCamps for the past couple of years - perhaps you can participate via audio/video/IRC?
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annevk yeah that might work
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annevk I'll start lurking here
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GWG tantek, are apps polluting a system the system's fault?
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tantek GWG - potentially, if the system's APIs and UIs encourage pollution.
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@nobantu Final Days of EarlyBird ticket pricing 4 #IIW XIX (Oct 27-30) Register here https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #onlineidentity #VRM #IRM #IoT #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502501335313678337)
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tantek annevk - cool
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GWG tantek, I find the intent functionality in Android useful, but it lacks any way to turn off intents I don't want
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tantek GWG - right, you as the user have no way of unpolluting the mess that is "share".
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GWG tantek, I still think that app to app information sharing is useful in general
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tantek GWG - sure it is, that's called copy & paste, clipboard, etc.
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tantek KevinMarks' take is interesting though, that "share" is the new "copy & paste" but in one "action"
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GWG tantek, I would agree with that general idea
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tantek GWG - but that makes less sense for the web, since the web is already content-centric
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tantek rather, "share" makes less sense for *webapp* UIs
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tantek but "share" might be workable as "copy / paste" shorthand in the *browser*"
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GWG tantek, what about improving copy/paste?
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tantek GWG - that's a big one. Some thoughts on that here: http://indiewebcamp.com/citation#append_to_text_selection_copy - feel free to add more thoughts.
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GWG tantek, if sharing is a term being used on Android for an app to tell other apps they are open to receiving certain types of data..
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tantek GWG - Android is not exactly the bastion of great UI - so it's hard to take it seriously as a model to emulate.
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GWG Tantek, that's another can of worms
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GWG But, I am talking about the concept, not the implementation
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GWG Not that they aren't related
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tantek GWG, well, I have yet to see any "good" UI that uses "share", so perhaps if you see some you could document (or add to) examples on /share
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GWG I have never tried to write a standard or an API. But I think the question of why there can't be a common language spoken is a common one
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GWG tantek, isn't this similar to our conversation on URL handlers?
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tantek GWG - yes re: URL handlers, as noted in discussion with annevk above re: registerprotocolhandler and urls-people-focused-mobile-communication - search on those above, see linked blog posts.
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tantek also, anyone can document examples of good (or bad!) UI - you don't have to write a standard or API.
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annevk tantek: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1056860 is the bug I filed on improving things
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GWG I will think about my thoughts
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GWG And compose some notes
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tantek thanks annevk
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tantek GWG - great
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tantek !tell adactio As venue organizer for IndieWebCamp UK, what are capacity limitations? E.g. number of seats/chairs/spots in the "main" room. Both "comfortably" and "maximum" numbers appreciated!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@qiqing RT @superglaze: Remember Google’s Wave? Thanks to Sandstorm, it’s easy to start using again http://gigaom.com/2014/08/21/remember-googles-wave-thanks-to-sandstorm-its-easy-to-start-using-again/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502509962677862400)
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tantek Hey we've hit 20 people for IndieWebCampUK!
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tantek !tell hadleybeeman I went ahead and added you to the sign-up for IndieWebCampUK since you said you could and would make it for Saturday (noted in sign-up). Let's get your IndieAuth setup so you can edit your entry! http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhadleybeeman.net%2F
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks tantek - see my comment on share
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KevinMarks iOS is so much worse
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tantek ironically
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aaronpk logs are backfilled, thanks!
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Loqi aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: does pin13.net have the latest php-mf2? I’m seeing different results http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwillnorris.com%2F2013%2F06%2Ftesting-indieweb-comments and http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwillnorris.com%2F2013%2F06%2Ftesting-indieweb-comments (h-card name doubled in shrewdness due to @alt value being expanded)
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aaronpk hm probably not latest version, let me go update
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aaronpk now running 0.2.9
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aaronpk was running 0.2.6
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters I just updated pin13 with the latest php-mf2! It's now running 0.2.9
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek hey GWG - edit http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people so that you have an icon in the logs e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-21/line/1408640017280
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tantek annevk: re: protocol handlers and personal communications, see also https://david.shanske.com/articles/2014/07/07/unified-contextual-communications/ (author is GWG here in the channel)
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tantek KevinMarks: should "Share…" just be another item in the "Edit" menu then?
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mattl All you WordPress users, please try a new plugin from Creative Commons that'll let you put a license on your website. https://github.com/creativecommons/wordpress-plugin
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mattl GWG: iirc, you're a WordPress user...
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mattl !tell tantek to check out https://github.com/creativecommons/wordpress-plugin
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@djp1974 RT @superglaze: Remember Google’s Wave? Thanks to Sandstorm, it’s easy to start using again http://gigaom.com/2014/08/21/remember-googles-wave-thanks-to-sandstorm-its-easy-to-start-using-again/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/502536781212815360)
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tantek mattl, interesting. so it's a nice UI on top of adding <a rel=license> links?
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Loqi tantek: mattl left you a message 20 minutes ago: to check out https://github.com/creativecommons/wordpress-plugin
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mattl tantek: basically.
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tantek do you have an example blog that uses it?
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@elliottucker Getting there with my IndieWeb site. This is being posted from the site and replies get added as comments... (twitter.com/_/status/502540731941400577)
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jonnybarnes this note seems to have collected some twitter spam: https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/2e
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tantek jonnybarnes: did you delete them?
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elliottucker Think I'm there with Known. Pretty sweet. Wouldn't mind working out a self hosted Brid.gy type thing but pretty chuffed with the set up.
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jonnybarnes tantek: nah, its only some likes and reposts
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tantek perhaps Known needs a plugin that encapsulates a hosted Bridgy instance
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jonnybarnes and not too many for now
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tantek jonnybarnes: yeah I have some webmention via bridgy spam waiting in my queue at webmention.io too
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elliottucker tantek: yeah, but I'll see what can be done about self hosting.
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tantek it does look like @javascriptd is merely a spam attention account for Simbasystems
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kylewm tantek: elliottucker: there is an issue in idno/idno for that (self-hosted bridgy type thing)
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elliottucker me insisting on nginx meant I had to do work out decent front end caching. None of the images were cachine. Varnish to the rescue.
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tantek elliottucker: nice.
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kylewm elliottucker: could you add yourself and that info to http://indiewebcamp.com/nginx ?
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elliottucker kylewm: ah, cool. Brid.gy certainly fits the bill for now, and I guess actual POSSEing isn't as important as de-siloing in the first place.
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elliottucker yep, will do.
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kylewm thanks, I haven't looked into caching at all. would definitely benefit from reading about your experience with it
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tantek jonnybarnes: @ameanmbot at least says that it's non curated, and the account it links to seems topical too - so I wouldn't call that spam.
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jonnybarnes tantek: but they retweet that many things...
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tantek hey elliottucker - add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people while you're at it!
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tantek and be sure to add a photo too!
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elliottucker done and done...will write up the Known+nginx+Varnish post later. Might even include the fabric file used to build it all.
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tantek elliottucker: I mean with avatar icon so that you show up with one in the logs, e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-21/line/1408651068073
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kylewm snarfed: hey is it possible with twitter-activitystreams to list someone else's tweets (for use with shrewdness)? i tried /<username>/@all but it's the same as /@me/@all
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kylewm fabric++
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Loqi fabric has 1 karma
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jonnybarnes what is fabric
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fabric" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=fabric
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jonnybarnes :(
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snarfed kylewm: i think a single person should work
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snarfed kylewm: you might have to use the lib though, not sure if the rest api supports it
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snarfed looking'
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elliottucker jonnybarnes: Python tool for administering servers using code. http://www.fabfile.org/. I'm running the site on a Digital Ocean droplet and using fabric I can run up a whole site in just a few commands.
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kylewm.com created /fabric (+415) "stub with Fabric definition" (view diff)
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kylewm.com moved /fabric to /Fabric "Uppercase project name"
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kylewm what is Fabric?
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Loqi Fabric is a python library and command-line tool useful for streamlining deployment and system administration tasks http://indiewebcamp.com/Fabric
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snarfed kylewm: yeah, rest api doesn't support it but it should. pretty easy fix, we just need to add screen_name or user_id to API_SELF_TIMELINE_URL here: https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/tree/master/twitter.py#L183
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snarfed feel free to file an issue! or i can
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kylewm oh interesting ok, thanks for looking!
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Loqi [mention] http://www.scoop.it/t/ed-tech-snippets-other-stuff/p/4026685375/2014/08/21/posse-indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#How_To_Implement (pingback)
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KevinMarks_ Tantek: what's this edit menu thing of which you speak
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tantek KevinMarks_: legacy GIMP UI
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rascul heh gimp ui
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ShaneHudson My PHP is so awful these days. Trying to use composer. Any ideas how I use require 'vendor/autoload.php'; when my file in in a folder alongside vendor? Giving me errors every way I try
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aaronpk your file is outside the "vendor" folder right?
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ShaneHudson Yeah, it is in /controllers/
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ShaneHudson I expected ../vendor would work, but it didn't
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aaronpk it depends on your include_path setting. usually the include_path includes "." so "../vendor/autoload.php" should work
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aaronpk I usually take the approach of chdir'ing to the project root folder as the first thing in any script, so that all paths are referenced from my project root
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tantek what is Composer?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Composer" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Composer
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aaronpk really? wow
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ShaneHudson Not sure if it is what you were meaning but I got it working :) used require dirname(__DIR__) . '/vendor/autoload.php';
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk dirname(__DIR__) is essentially "../"
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ShaneHudson Yeah, strange ../ didn't work (I've seen it elsewhere), must be a config somewhere
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aaronpk weird
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cweiske no. dirname(__DIR__) is the absolute path to the parent directory of __DIR__
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cweiske not the relative one
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aaronpk yeah it's like the absolute path version of ".."
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aaronpk my guess is "." is not in the include_path so the relative version of require didn't work
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aaronpk tantek: ^
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tantek heh
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aaronpk that's what you get for asking :)
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willnorris woah, when did the irc logs get icons and links?! very cool!
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Loqi willnorris: barnabywalters left you a message 1 day, 7 hours ago: your post page h-card has a doubled “Will Norris” in the name as it’s in image alt as well as being in the text! http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwillnorris.com%2F2013%2F06%2Ftesting-indieweb-comments — empty alt values are preferable in these cases, screenreaders will read the value twice
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willnorris aw, and my icon isn’t showing :(
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aaronpk willnorris: I don't see your icon on http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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tantek willnorris you need to add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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tantek lol
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willnorris yeah, adding it now
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willnorris grr.. and why does http://indiewebcamp.com/Template:irc_user assume URLs are http:// :(
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ShaneHudson Does anyone have an example of using Mf2 with mf-cleaner? They seem to use the same namespace
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willnorris I’m going to change that
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tantek hahaha lol
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Loqi awesome
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aaronpk huh, never noticed that
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aaronpk willnorris: unless you want to update the entire /irc-people list you should use fancy conditionals to not add http if it alreayd starts with http
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@jennie We'll be talking about digital games and the #indieweb as empowering tools for protecting their land and culture, which is under siege. (twitter.com/_/status/502568179139612672)
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@henryfaber RT @jennie: We'll be talking about digital games and the #indieweb as empowering tools for protecting their land and culture, which is unde… (twitter.com/_/status/502568773057269761)
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tantek wait what?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: context: https://twitter.com/jennie/status/502568158486478848
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@jennie Honored + delighted to speak w/ a group of storytellers from the Sovereign Algonquin Nation of the Ottawa Watershed tomorrow w/ @henryfaber. (twitter.com/_/status/502568158486478848)
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KartikPrabhu so makes lot of sense
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@OuiShareLabs RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/502569783586721792)
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@kirilind RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/502569784345907200)
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tantek I wonder if analytics could tell me if those RTs came from people viewing stuff on Twitter or from the web actions on my post on my own site
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ShaneHudson I expect so, if not set up an event for when they use the web action
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tantek that would perhaps provide feedback on whether the design was useful/good?
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tantek i.e. adding web actions gets you that many more faves/retweets/replies
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ShaneHudson Yeah it would be useful
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willnorris.com edited /IRC_People (+32) "add logo for willnorris" (view diff)
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willnorris testing my logo in the irc logs
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi woot
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willnorris okay, that worked. Link is still http://, but not completely sure if it’s worth modifying the template for
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tantek looking good!
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aaronpk at least your site redirects http to https
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tantek willnorris: if you think that's cool, open a browser window in the background to the logs and scroll to the bottom
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tantek then type something in the foreground into your IRC client and watch the backround browser window carefully
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ShaneHudson What's the url to that microformats validator? I remember someone was working on it the other day
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tantek microformats.org/wiki/validator
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ShaneHudson Thanks :)
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KevinMarks is there a way to use max-width on a background image?
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mko Describe the use case?
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KevinMarks today in Kevin is baffled by CSS
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donpdonp heh
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mko background-size does some useful stuff related to background-image sizing.
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KevinMarks I have a background image that I resize
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KevinMarks it looks great on most screens
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KevinMarks but if you have a reallly wide monitor it looks a bit crap
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tantek directs "Kevin is baffled by CSS" to #indiechat :)
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KevinMarks (I'm resizing to 100%)
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KevinMarks /join #baffledbycss
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pdurbin http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-41v6n3Vaf5s/UeRN_XJ0keI/AAAAAAAAN2Y/YxIHhddGiaw/s1600/css.gif
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