#indiewebcamp 2014-12-14

2014-12-14 UTC
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bret aaronpk++
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Loqi bret: aaronpk left you a message 6 hours, 25 minutes ago: I fixed the CORS headers and content type on webmention.io and now your comments are displaying again!
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Loqi aaronpk has 625 karma
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tantek bret - you doing HWC PDX this week?
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Loqi tantek: michielbdejong1 left you a message on 12/12 at 1:01am: Hi! I expanded your edit about javascript breakage, let me know if you disagree with my edit
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bret i can make it
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bret aaronpk are you in town?
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tantek !tell michelbdejong looked good! Thanks for expanding the page!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret i need to secure a location
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tantek michelbdejong++
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tantek I've secured MozSF first floor for the SF HWC on the 17th
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bret dietrich: is mozpdx free this wed from 6:30 - 7:30?
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (-5) "SF location confirmed @MozSF, RSVP" (view diff)
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tantek bret in the meanwhile - RSVP! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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bret.io edited /events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (+11) "/* RSVP */ Rgr" (view diff)
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tantek !tell kylewm, snarfed either of you around for the evening of the 17th? Could you create an indie event and FB POSSE copy for SF HWC that night and add URLs here? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club#URLs
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+165) "/* Working On */ more Hello references" (view diff)
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aaronpk omg that's this week already
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aaronpk github has a pretty thorough internal comment/reference presentation figured out
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (-32) "I can host at esripdx!" (view diff)
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GWG Everyone is back
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kylewm evening
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GWG Evening, kylewm
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 5 minutes ago: either of you around for the evening of the 17th? Could you create an indie event and FB POSSE copy for SF HWC that night and add URLs here? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club#URLs
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kylewm !tell tantek happy to set up the indie event, I want to post it on my site instead of withknown but need to make a few changes before I can do that :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [mention] http://workingdraft.de/200/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany (pingback)
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kodfabrik.se edited /real-time_comments (+291) "Added my site as a realtime example" (view diff)
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henson Installed WithKnown, but can't upload anything -- php says mkdir() is denied. is this a common problem? I have the dir as owned by apache. Fixes super-welcome
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michielbdejong henson: that shouldn't normally happen
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henson michielbdejong: I'm wondering if it's selinux or something
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michielbdejong the uploads folder should be outside the www folder, do you have that?
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henson michielbdejong: I've got it in /var/www/html/Uploads
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michielbdejong ok, it's better to have it outside that folder. although that's not related to the actual problem
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michielbdejong so do you have ssh access?
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michielbdejong can you do a recursive chown and chmod?
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michielbdejong are there any sub directories of /var/www/html/Uploads yet?
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michielbdejong because they also should all be writable by the Apache user
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michielbdejong also, all the folders need to be 'executable'
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henson michielbdejong: I had done a recursive, but it ended up being selinux (Fedora Server 21.) Now I just need to figure out how-to fix that without totally disabling selinux ;-)
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michielbdejong ah ok
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michielbdejong i don't use selinux, maybe someone else can help with that part
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henson michielbdejong: thanks! Did you make your /var/www dir owned by apache as well?
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michielbdejong henson: I made it root-owned, but with the apache user's group
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michielbdejong then gave 750 to folders and 640 to files iirc
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michielbdejong for the /var/uploads folder I gave the same ownership (chown -R root:www-data /var/uploads) but then 770 and 660 perms
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michielbdejong afaik Known does not write anything except for the uploads folder and the database (not sure if you can install custom plugins through the control panel yet)
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pdurbin henson: does `getenforce` say "Enforcing"? you can `setenforce Permissive` for a bit
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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henson pdurbin: That worked, btw! Trying to set a new label, rule, whatever to allow /var/www/html/Uploads
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pdurbin henson: cool. I often do `ls -lZ` and `chcon --reference something-thats-working something-thats-not-working`
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henson pdurbin: I did something like semanage fcontext -a -t httpd_sys_rw_content_t '/var/www/html/Uploads(/.*)?'
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henson pdurbin: then restorecon -vr /var/www/html/Uploads
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henson seems to have set everything OK
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pdurbin cool. I'm rusty with this stuff
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henson pdurbin: I'd never run an rpm distro before ;-) Wasn't as bad as I heard though
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henson pdurbin: Any advice for securing a server, other than fail2ban?
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pdurbin disable root ssh login
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henson pdurbin: Oh yeah. I did that, and only allow login with SSH key. I think. I'll double-check
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GWG I use CSF over fail2ban. It has regex options
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pdurbin henson: #crimsonfu is decent place to ask this. bear and I hang out there
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henson pdurbin: cool, thanks!
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pdurbin oh sure. the more the merrier
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GWG What is crimsonfu?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "crimsonfu" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=crimsonfu
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pdurbin GWG: do you want me to create that page?
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GWG pdurbin: Actually, I just wanted to know.
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GWG I just keep forgetting about Loqi and that feature
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Loqi is done
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pdurbin GWG: crimsonfu - sysadmins who code - http://crimsonfu.github.io
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GWG Oh
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GWG I'm always looking for sysadmin advice
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pdurbin seems like henson got some
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GWG Maybe I'll lurk
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pdurbin everyone is welcome. "none of us is as smart as all of us"
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henson GWG: Oh yeah, learning plenty. Good people here
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GWG I like to learn
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pdurbin GWG: free advice costs nothing until you act upon it :)
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henson !help
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henson pdurbin: How do I access that IRC logger that #indewebcamp has installed?
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pdurbin what is Loqi
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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pdurbin henson: from what I hear there's a new open source version of Loqi coming but I'm not sure. aaronpk would know
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henson pdurbin++
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Loqi pdurbin has 8 karma
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snarfed morning indieweb!
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message on 12/13 at 4:31pm: either of you around for the evening of the 17th? Could you create an indie event and FB POSSE copy for SF HWC that night and add URLs here? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club#URLs
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kylewm snarfed: I'll do it :)
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snarfed kylewm: thx
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kylewm is adding rsvps to redwind finally!
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kylewm though I am slightly freaking out that Python is giving me from datetime import tzinfo, timedelta, datetime, date
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kylewm E ImportError: No module named datetime
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kylewm
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snarfed kylewm++ awesome!
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Loqi kylewm has 89 karma
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snarfed uh wait, yeah, that's wrong
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kylewm well known Ubuntu problems apparently
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snarfed wow. kinda ridiculous problem
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snarfed tantek said recently that he happily hand-authors lots of post types and mf2; we should nudge him to do that for events sometimes too
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kylewm snarfed: bridgy publish doesn't publish events yet does it?
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snarfed nah, fb api doesn't support it
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/274
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kylewm oh right, I knew there was somethin like that
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kylewm sad
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GWG snarfed, I have a Bridgy publish question.
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snarfed GWG: shoot!
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snarfed (kylewm will probably know the answer too)
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GWG What can I do markup wise to get the best results?
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snarfed that's a broad question
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snarfed can you narrow it a bit?
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GWG Well, for Facebook, how do I tell it I want a link post over a complete syndicated copy? Same with Twitter.
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Loqi gives GWG a link post over a complete syndicated copy
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kylewm p-summary?
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snarfed yeah, it's not well documented but kylewm's on the right track
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snarfed try different combinations of p-name, p-summary, and e-content
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snarfed see https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/219 and https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/228
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snarfed preview in bridgy publish and see what you get
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snarfed GWG: thanks for the nudge, we should add the specific precedence for each silo to the faq
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GWG snarfed, controlling the presentation is hard with every syndication tool I have tried.
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snarfed yup! that's why i often still posse manually
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GWG That is why I have been giving it thought. Especially after how many Tweets that got truncated despite my counting of characters.
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snarfed for twitter, i usually author in twitter's api to get that right, then copy/paste into wp
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snarfed whee
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GWG I should add POSSE problems to the wiki if it is not there.
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Loqi it is probable
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GWG These sites do not make it easy.
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GWG The other problem is spamming my feed whenever I try to test it.
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snarfed that's why i included preview from the begininng
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snarfed not perfect, but useful
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GWG I'm nearly done paying the server administration tax so I can return to work on some of this.
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GWG Had to move all my sites to a new home
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GWG Good morning Tantek
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aaronpk are there any examples of people providing alternate formats for content? like various sizes of photos, or video in multiple formats?
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GWG Aaronpk, isn't there a tag for responsive images?
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GWG Img srcset?
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aaronpk i'm specifically thinking about providing a video as both an mp4 file and an animated gif
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GWG How would the browser know which to display?
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aaronpk think less automatic
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aaronpk like if a person wanted to download the file in an alternate format
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GWG Oh... Download link?
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aaronpk or "alternate format" link or something
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/2014/12/homebrew-website-club-17-december-2014 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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aaronpk also dora's short domain is live now :) http://indiec.at/n4Zc1
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kylewm.com edited /events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (+103) "/* URLs */ add SF event URLs" (view diff)
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GWG aaronpk: Not sure. Haven't researched that scenario
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bret aaronpk: are you around pdx this week? HWC at esri?
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aaronpk bret: yes! already updated the wiki
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bret ah cool
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bret didn't noticeyet
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Loqi [bridgy] https://facebook.com/736605033092500#214611 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club
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aaronpk hey cool
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Loqi [bridgy] https://facebook.com/736605033092500#36802236 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] Kyle Mahan RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (https://facebook.com/736605033092500#12802152)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://facebook.com/736605033092500#768030371 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] Ryan Barrett RSVPed maybe to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (https://facebook.com/736605033092500#212038)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://facebook.com/736605033092500#53300263 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm snarfed++ nice Loqi messages!!
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Loqi snarfed has 60 karma
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aaronpk much better!
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kylewm goes to look at the invite markup
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snarfed thanks kylewm!
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snarfed much less annoying now
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snarfed sad that the invite messages don't catch people's names though
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snarfed fixable
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kylewm I too had troulbe parsing them apparently https://kylewm.com/2014/12/homebrew-website-club-17-december-2014#mentions
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snarfed yeah. doesn't help that i think the markup is wrong, at least semantically
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snarfed whee
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snarfed or at least may not conform to http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation
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kylewm snarfed: it looks like it conforms to me, just not totally obvious who the 'author' should be of an invitation post
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kylewm i.e. in terms of displaying it in my comments
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kylewm without resorting to passive voice! "Ryan was invited to ..."
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snarfed ah, right . i think that's what the wiki proposal has that i don't : the inviter
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aaronpk isn't the author of an invitation the person who invited the person?
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snarfed yup
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kylewm ohh, does the FB API tell you who authored the invitation?
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snarfed eh halfway. i think i can get the event owner(s)
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snarfed not sure about individual invites
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aaronpk facebook shows it at least
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aaronpk but that doesn't mean it's in the API
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kylewm good enough
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snarfed i know i get the owner; i already use it
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snarfed oh inviter. sorry.
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snarfed filed, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/319
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aaronpk yay
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snarfed bbi10
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aaronpk that would be awesome
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aaronpk then wmio could show "Ryan Barrett invited Kyle Mahan to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club"
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@kevinmarks @JoshConstine the real problem is how you make useful glanceable previews. Twitter's random cropping doesn't help. https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context (twitter.com/_/status/544234700529995776)
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kylewm.com edited /User:Kylewm.com () "(-1760) clean up itches, add a few" (view diff)
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Loqi [bridgy] Josh Constine favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/544234700529995776)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kyle Mahan replied '@kevinmarks @JoshConstine is it really random? I’d assumed it was doing some CV stuff to identify the “interesting” 1/3 of the image' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context (https://twitter.com/kylewm2/status/544236405073788928)
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kylewm so great
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aaronpk oops that last one is wrong
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aaronpk should have been replied.... to a tweet that linked to
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@pwcc @jenmylo @ryanhellyer few alternatives listed here but I'm rolling my own to learn the APIs https://indiewebcamp.com/wordpress#POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/544243964035883009)
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