#indiewebcamp 2016-02-27

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@circa1977 @aral Spotted this and thought of you guys – http://www.foocafe.org/event/beyond-twitter-an-indieweb-future-for-social-media (twitter.com/_/status/703369189512388609)
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/703129155576070144
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@textfiles Holy shit the Telegraph deleted their entire blogs collection, a mass of writings by columnists. No warning. None. (twitter.com/_/status/703129155576070144)
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gRegorLove What is Venmo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Venmo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10FG
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kylewm.com created /The_Creamery (+434) "Created page with "<span class="h-card"><span class="p-name"><dfn>The Creamery</dfn></span> is a coffee shop in San Francisco where we sometimes have Homebrew Website Club when {{tantek}} is out of..."" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club (-407) "/* Where */ The Creamery SF" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Creamery (+25) "prompted by kylewm and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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kylewm !tell KevinMarks, benwerd I set the 3/23 location to The Creamery for now, let me know if either of you have a better place in mind!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove I didn't know Venmo was acquired by Paypal
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aaronpk they couldn't handle that someone might do paypal better than paypal did
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gRegorLove See that article above about the API being shut down for new users?
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aaronpk ouch
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gRegorLove "After speaking with the company, it sounds like the plan is not completely shut down the existing API, but that it may remove some features. It’s going to push developers onto its new Pay With Venmo system for paying businesses."
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aaronpk ah that makes sense
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aaronpk it's their phase-out plan for the "old" api
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tantek What is The Telegraph?
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Loqi tantek: petermolnar left you a message 1 hour, 35 minutes ago: you site's footer says 1996-2016, when will be the 20 years anniversary? :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-26/line/1456528444201
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "The Telegraph" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10FJ
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tantek petermolnar: wow my website is older than some people who can vote in this year's US (presidential) election.
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aaronpk haha
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GWG Who is your website voting for in the primary?
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tantek The Telegraph is an old dead-tree UK mainstream media publication with a website that recently deleted (without warning) their entire blogs collection written by columnists. https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/703129155576070144
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@textfiles Holy shit the Telegraph deleted their entire blogs collection, a mass of writings by columnists. No warning. None. (twitter.com/_/status/703129155576070144)
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tantek sigh Loqi, create the page first please before expanding URLs?
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek yeah!
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tantek The Telegraph is an old dead-tree UK mainstream media publication with a website that recently deleted (without warning) their entire blogs collection written by columnists.
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tantek Loqi?
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Loqi grins profusely
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tantek gives Loqi a stern look.
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Loqi thanks, tantek!
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tantek :eyeroll"
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tantek s/"/:
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Loqi tantek meant to say: :eyeroll:
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tantek you know it Loqi
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Loqi woot!
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tantek.com created /The_Telegraph (+292) "deleted blogs without warning" (view diff)
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cjk101010 I’m working on modularizing my webmentions code: https://github.com/ckruse/webmentions-elixir
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snarfed1 tantek: are your posts from 1996 still up?
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cjk101010 is this a bad idea? seems so trivial to me…
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aaronpk wait what
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snarfed1 links like http://tantek.com/1996/12 don't find any
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tantek snarfed1: something from 1996 is up somewhere. I'm not sure I would call the "posts"
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tantek s/the/them
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snarfed1 np
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Loqi tantek meant to say: snarfed1: something from 1996 is up somewhere. I'm not sure I would call them "posts"
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tantek snarfed: I didn't start blogging in explicit time-based posts until 2002 August: http://tantek.com/log/2002/08.html
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snarfed got it
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tantek the other day (month? year?) I did find that I'd sequesterd some timestamped thoughts at various static URLs inside tantek.com/notes/
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tantek from before I started blogging
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aaronpk hahaha https://twitter.com/iamlei/status/703133885668831233
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@iamlei "It was as if a million bytes suddenly cried out in terror and then were silenced" -- a disturbance in the archive as felt by @textfiles (twitter.com/_/status/703133885668831233)
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tantek :(
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tantek.com edited /The_Creamery (-11) "stub, bold dfn term, less markup, see also" (view diff)
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tantek added content, removed bytes \m/ :successkid:
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snarfed tantek: i did the same thing! http://ryan.barrett.name/old_motds.html
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snarfed sheesh, no year or anything on those dates :P
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snarfed used to be on http://ryan.barrett.name/index.html
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tantek snarfed: oh! I used to keep various message on my home page as well!
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kylewm ah thanks tantek, I thought the <dfn> would be stripped out for some reason, but i guess it isn't
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tantek np kyl
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tantek forgets a tab
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tantek snarfed: http://tantek.com/entrancequotes.html
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snarfed fun!
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kylewm shakes head at "we're going public"
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aaronpk oh my god why did i click that
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snarfed heh, another era
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aaronpk is it a joke or is it spam?
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aaronpk s/spam/malware?
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: is it a joke or is it malware??
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tantek not mine, mine is static html
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kylewm aaronpk: what are you referring to?
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aaronpk that "we're going public" link
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kylewm just a broken zdnet.com link...
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snarfed it was for google
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aaronparecki.com edited /business-models (+183) "/* Transport Services */" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Venmo (+251) "stub with news about no more new API devs" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] So, we have domain registration tokens for .club suggestions?
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: kylewm left you a message 2 hours, 13 minutes ago: I set the 3/23 location to The Creamery for now, let me know if either of you have a better place in mind! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-26/line/1456532254007
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@pypi_updates ronkyuu 0.3.4: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.3.4 (twitter.com/_/status/703408210854678528)
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benwerd kevinmarks: chicken.club is a mere $2K to register
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Loqi benwerd: kylewm left you a message 2 hours, 31 minutes ago: I set the 3/23 location to The Creamery for now, let me know if either of you have a better place in mind! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-26/line/1456532254007
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benwerd !tell kylewm Nice - unfortunately Matter's not going to work that night, so the Creamery sounds smart. Also there's beer and nachos. :thumbsup:
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm coolio
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tantek some early results on my experiment - increase in citations of my permalinks on Twitter
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tantek (silo-private experiment)
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benwerd kevinmarks: I registered fightorflight.club
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benwerd (When people give you free domain names ...)
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tantek benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 106 karma
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benwerd (I was trying to get werd.press but someone beat me to it)
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tantek e.g. two tweet citations of my "JOHN GALT" find in the mission (people don't usually cite my photo permalinks on twitter, like never) https://twitter.com/timhwang/status/702885291569184768 and https://twitter.com/CaraDiehl/status/702963519445008384
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@timhwang Nothing screams San Francisco quite like a Maserati with a “JOHN GALT” vanity plate: http://tantek.com/2016/055/t10/where-john-galt-mission-san-francisco (via @t) (twitter.com/_/status/702885291569184768)
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tantek so no matter how someone found the post (FB, Tw, etc.) they cite the public link on my site because they know that's the one their viewers (no matter the platform/silo) will be able to see
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tantek ob js;dr: https://twitter.com/katrinkerber/status/702813345762680832
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@katrinkerber "...in 10 years nothing you built today that depends on JS for the content will be available, visible, or archived" http://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead (twitter.com/_/status/702813345762680832)
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tantek no definitive data yet, but I wanted to share those early results
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tantek as anecdotal as they may be
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@LearnPythonTut ronkyuu 0.3.4: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.3.4 #python (twitter.com/_/status/703414033441947648)
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@artwisanggeni #python ronkyuu 0.3.4: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.3.4 (twitter.com/_/status/703415551658369024)
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@karansangha RT @ChrisAldrich With #indieweb webmentions, @wordpress @automattic @photomatt could easily replace Facebook and Twitter http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/18/remember_wordpress_pingbacks_the_w3c_wants_us_to_use_them_across_the_whole_web (twitter.com/_/status/703450402553880576)
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tantek sound familiar? https://twitter.com/benward/status/695001628420632576
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@benward Great moments in code review: [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/695001628420632576)
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (+203) "/* testing your code in production */ silos do it too, with screenshot" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /ProcessWire (-22) "/* Plugins */ link to official module directory" (view diff)
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@tinokremer New plugin for @withknown I'm building: Journal content type https://tinokremer.nl/2016/journal-for-known-is-being-built #indieweb #known (twitter.com/_/status/703478632417796096)
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tantek wow coming up on one year of js;dr. Got to come up with something compelling in a week or so. ;)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Recent Links August 26, 2015" by Terry Finney https://stationaryjourney.com/recent-links-august-26-2015/
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@oSoftDev SOOO much progress tonight! New options/features! More to come! #indieweb #javascript #dotnet #developer https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/703486440714461184/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/703486440714461184)
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@jkphl My #indieweb @wke talk in a nutshell. Just need to flesh out the other 45 minutes. ;) #storyboard https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/703496336042287104/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/703496336042287104)
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petermolnar re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-26/line/1456534666990 - interesting, 2002 seems to be an event horizon; that is the point when I started adding "posts" as well ( today I'd call them notes )
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Loqi [tantek] snarfed: I didn't start blogging in explicit time-based posts until 2002 August: http://tantek.com/log/2002/08.html
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@d0gada #IndieWeb sites promote great ideas but I haven't seen Subscribe or Follow h-feed button on them yet. IMO it's "must have" for modern web. (twitter.com/_/status/703525707905773568)
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@leibniz #IndieWebCamp status update w/ my Jekyll blog: ✅ Webmentions http://leibniz.me/indiewebcamp/2016/02/27/test-note/ (twitter.com/_/status/703529238540980224)
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@d0gada Several #IndieWeb readers exist https://indiewebcamp.com/reader but central piece of the puzzle — Subscribe button is missing... (twitter.com/_/status/703537536623247360)
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Loqi [indieweb] "kthxbye #2" by Peter Molnar https://petermolnar.eu/kthxbye-2/
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Loqi [indieweb] "kthxbye #2" by Peter Molnar https://petermolnar.eu/kthxbye-2/
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petermolnar Loqi, Y U NO deduplicate?
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Loqi yeah!
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk whataver you've added to Loqi's AI I think it reached European-level sarcasm
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@petermolnar @d0gada http://indiewebcamp.com/follow#Follow_Webaction (twitter.com/_/status/703544756828250112)
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@d0gada @petermolnar #RSS is dying and I prefer #IndieWeb h-feed because it's part of web-site instead of an invisible… (https://dogada.org/e/118ZupYo13916) (twitter.com/_/status/703546605194981376)
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@jkphl @webrocker @Thuemer Darf ich euch beiden meinen #indieweb talk widmen und die Personas Tom & Lotte nennen, oder findet ihr das doof? (twitter.com/_/status/703589125853716485)
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@jkphl Ugh. Captured all the topics my #indieweb @wke talk should cover. Exciting nights ahead. o_O https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/703611766807384064/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/703611766807384064)
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@xwolf RT @jkphl Ugh. Captured all the topics my #indieweb @wke talk should cover. Exciting nights ahead. o_O https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/703611766807384064/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/703615647595544577)
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tantek interesting critique of RSS: https://dogada.org/e/118ZupYo13916 but more importantly, also a good case as to why solving "Subscribe" or "Follow" for the indieweb might be our next important UX challenge (to get /reader adoption / switching)
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petermolnar tantek reader is indeed an issue, especially that according to the current world, it needs to be multi-device aware, which calls for something at minimum per-person centralized
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petermolnar that is why I'm still doing RSS/Mf2 to email
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aaronpk Good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 5 hours, 32 minutes ago: whataver you've added to Loqi's AI I think it reached European-level sarcasm http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-27/line/1456571872391
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petermolnar morning
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aaronpk I'm still not convinced an in-page follow button is the solution. At least not one that is created by the publisher of the site.
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aaronpk I think it should be part of the browser, like the way I have my "like" and "reply" buttons set up
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aaronpk But, happy to be proven wrong!
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KevinMarks we can make a 'follow' webaction
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voxpelli I think some already have
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KevinMarks it is a silo default button as much as like/repost/reply
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voxpelli But apparently the post is gone now: http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/unicyclic.com/mal/2015-10-22-Adding_a_follow_webaction
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Loqi [unicyclic.com/mal] Adding a follow webaction
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petermolnar a subtome button is a bad approach (letting the user choose their service); however, it's not an easy question and I tend to agree with aaronpk that this is calls for consumer side solutions (browser plugins, etc.)
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petermolnar a long ago bookmarklets were good for these kind of things but Firefox borked them
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voxpelli Well, SubToMe is good if one uses more than one service, so probably good to experiment with many approaches
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voxpelli While most people on the Indieweb just publish to a single place, consuming stuff through many tools would probably be fairly normal
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voxpelli A Tumblr-like reader, a Twitter-like one, an Instagram-like one, a Facebook-like one etc
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petermolnar s/bad/not bad/
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petermolnar so: "a subtome button is not a bad approach ..."
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voxpelli Ah :)
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petermolnar sorry :)
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petermolnar especially that I'm using it myself :D
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voxpelli Both SubToMe and IndieConfig are kind of polyfills for config a that could be made within the browser eventually
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petermolnar it was part of FF
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aaronpk I still use bookmarklets but they just do "window.location=" since you can't really inject things onto the page with them anymore
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voxpelli Especially webactions are made as a prototype of a future native component
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petermolnar aaronpk you can turn that check off; I'm using bookmarklets for reply/fav/repost
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aaronpk it works great for bookmarks https://aaronparecki.com/2014/09/07/8/indieweb-bookmarks
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Just added support for creating bookmark posts in http://quill.p3k.io and added corresponding support to my micropub endpoint! Here's my workflow for posting bookmarks to my site now....
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petermolnar historical thing: http://johnbokma.com/firefox/rss-and-live-bookmarks.html
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voxpelli I use Workflow.app on iOS and mostly publishes to my site from iOS
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petermolnar https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/703631992965853184
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@kylewmahan @d0gada @petermolnar https://woodwind.xyz supports subtome ;) (twitter.com/_/status/703631992965853184)
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petermolnar kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 296 karma
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aaronpk i'm adding rate limiting to webmention.io right now since a couple times now I've been getting a flood of incoming requests about the same source/targets
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[kevinmarks] is that the back compatibility?
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aaronpk no, it's a rogue script
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tantek it's not one or the other (publisher buttons vs. browser UI), it's both. make sense to pursue both approaches to explore, map out, better understand, and evolve the space
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tantek Woodwind++ for supporting subtome
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Loqi Woodwind has 2 karma
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tantek I should add subtome somewhere on my site, I wonder if there is a way to "suggest" Woodwind as the default place to subscribe if the user of subtome has no existing reader
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Loqi agreed.
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wwwtech.de about edited /Webmention (+120) "webmentions-elixir" (view diff)
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petermolnar tantek yes, there is
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petermolnar http://docs.subtome.com/publishers/
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wwwtech.de about edited /User:Wwwtech.de_about (+28) (view diff)
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tantek what is subtome?
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Loqi SubToMe is a button content publishers can put on their sites which enables users to subscribe to their feed in whatever reader they choose — sort of a universal follow button https://indiewebcamp.com/SubToMe
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tantek petermolnar, perhaps we could put instructions for how to use SubToMe with a default Woodwind suggestion on ^^^ ?
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wwwtech.de about edited /Webmention (+394) "Webmentions on WWWTech" (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /SubToMe (+485) (view diff)
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petermolnar tantek - done
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tantek petermolnar++ cool!
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Loqi petermolnar has 17 karma
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tantek is a publisher supposed to replace all the "example.com" with their own domain?
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tantek how does subtome know to find woodwind purely by name="Woodwind" ? Doesn't it need a URL for Woodwind?
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petermolnar I don't know that endpoint for Woodwind, but there is a suggestion data- field
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petermolnar I'll extend that one line
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petermolnar however, if subtome knows about the service by name, you don't need that
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petermolnar kylewm is there an endpoint in woodwind which can take a url that pre-specifies the thing to subscribe for? eg. for blogtrottr it's like http://blogtrottr.com/?subscribe={ feed URL }
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petermolnar.eu edited /SubToMe (+679) "/* example button code with Woodwind as suggested service */" (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /SubToMe (+0) "/* example button code with Woodwind as suggested service */" (view diff)
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kylewm petermolnar: https://woodwind.xyz/subscribe?origin={url}
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petermolnar.eu edited /SubToMe (+72) "/* example button code with Woodwind as suggested service */" (view diff)
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petermolnar thanks
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tantek petermolnar: is "{feed}" in the code a literal or should that be https://example.com/ for your h-feed?
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petermolnar literal
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tantek interesting
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petermolnar or at least that's how I understand it according to http://docs.subtome.com/publishers
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tantek.com edited /SubToMe (+91) "/* example button code with Woodwind as suggested service */ note example.com is your home page with h-feed, adjust whitespace" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /SubToMe (+278) "put why, how at the top for a quicker call to action, move SubToMe service FAQ to a new FAQ section at bottom, a few wording tweaks" (view diff)
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tantek petermolnar: ^^^ please review updated page and see if it reads ok to you: https://indiewebcamp.com/SubToMe
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petermolnar looks good to me
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aaronpk is working on webmention.io bugfixes today it looks like
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petermolnar since we are scratching the subscribe topic, another itch: content suggestion. I don't know enough of superfeedr, but currently they look like the ones who could make a search engine based on post tags, but just after I wrote this down I realized the fate of Altavista vs meta keywords. I'll rethink this.
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tantek petermolnar: in general the challenge is how do we make all the cross-indie-web interactions as easy (easier?) than silo interactions?
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tantek e.g. like, reply, follow
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petermolnar potentially with browser addons; nothing else I can think about is easy enough; android has a system-wide share thing built in, but that's just plain share, not contextual
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tantek petermolnar: I think we'll have to explore each of those one by one
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tantek e.g. how can we best do it with JS shims (subtome or indie-config style) ?
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tantek how can a browser help make it even easier? (e.g. Firefox Share)
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tantek what's the best way to do it on Android? (e.g. using system-wide share thing)
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tantek what's the best way to do it on iOS?
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tantek (in Mobile Safari, Chrome iOS, Firefox iOS)
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tantek I think we're going to have to solve each one of those one at a time, not necessarily the same way, but with the same goal of making it as seamless as possible for each context
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tantek comparing (for each specific context), the indieweb interaction vs. the (native) app/silo interaction
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aaronpk i think there's actually opportunity on android and ios to get it better than silos
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tantek agreed. still, going to be tough to beat the 100% in the native mobile app experience.
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aaronpk in particular, we can do better with cross-app stuff
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aaronpk but yes hard to compete with a 100% native silo app that doesn't try to get data in or out of anywhere else
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voxpelli for me iOS is already the smoothest Indieweb platform when creating/quoting/responding
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tantek voxpelli: interesting - have you written up your personal iOS setup for creating/quoting/responding?
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tantek e.g. what apps / sites / bookmark(lets) you use?
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voxpelli tantek: currently just a draft, but I have a video
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tantek ooh!
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tantek what is iOS?
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Loqi iOS is the operating system that runs on the Apple iPhone http://indiewebcamp.com/iOS
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tantek ^^^ maybe add a "How to setup" section there with your notes / video?
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voxpelli tantek: http://youtu.be/CBPmSpD2jN4
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voxpelli I'll make a note to do it when I publish my post
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tantek great!
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petermolnar voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 65 karma
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 89 (twitter.com/_/status/703663149350834181)
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@andrichpublish RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 89 (twitter.com/_/status/703663041309745152)
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@ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 89 (twitter.com/_/status/703661886697508869)
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@d0gada @kylewmahan so no external feed reader and hence need in #indieweb MicroPub or analog. Just exchange comments and replies via #webmention (twitter.com/_/status/703672943088377856)
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@d0gada @petermolnar my fault, I thought it's limited to RSS. However I didn't see https://subtome.com/ on most of #IndieWeb, do you know why? (twitter.com/_/status/703673680631562240)
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petermolnar dogada no, I don't, but if you ask it here, you have higher chances of getting an answer
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tantek haha maybe because we are just getting around to making the documentation easier to understand and use to set it up? ;)
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aaronpk twitter is great for discovery but terrible for discussion
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nelson Why does Indiewebcamp have a cone of conduct? Is that like a cone of silence?
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nelson Oh wait! It's a CODE of conduct. Sorry, my bad. https://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct
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benwerd I do not like the cone of shame :(
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benwerd (But a code of conduct is a vital part of any healthy community)
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tantek I don't think we have any cones of any kind yet, not sure what we'd use them for.
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nelson pine cones, for reading your email.
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bear Indieweb Kones
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miklb_ cones to mark the lanes to your silos
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aaronpk woohoo, XRay is launched on App Engine with auto-deploy from Github!
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kylewm "if a page is rendered in javascript, and no one is around to archive it, does it exist?" (indieweb koan)
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petermolnar by the way, is anyone aware that is a site dies/goes away how long the cached google results will be around for it?
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petermolnar s/that is/that if/
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: by the way, is anyone aware that if a site dies/goes away how long the cached google results will be around for it?
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KevinMarks depends when it gets recrawled
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KevinMarks if it's erroring they'll hang around longer than if it's replaced
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jkphl.is edited /User:Jkphl.is (+603) (view diff)
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petermolnar so in theory, if a larger silo gets deleted without a warning, the google cache could be archived if someone is fast enough, right?
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tantek could try The Telegraph blogs as a real world recent example
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aaronpk well that's odd. I should be able to make an HTTP request to another app engine URL from an app engine app, right?
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aaronpk for some reason, XRay is saying it can't connect to bridgy URLs
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KevinMarks yes, should be able to
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aaronpk https://xray-p3k-io.appspot.com/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrid-gy.appspot.com%2Fcomment%2Ftwitter%2Fd0gada%2F703546605194981376%2F703673680631562240
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tantek that's odd - did they get undeleted? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/blogs/ and http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/benedictbrogan/
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aaronpk that's a curl error "CURLE_COULDNT_CONNECT"
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miklb_ isn't the issue with archiving silos if they allow via their robots.txt to scrape?
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KevinMarks hm
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aaronpk weird, I have no idea what to do about this
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aaronpk works fine from my other server https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrid-gy.appspot.com%2Fcomment%2Ftwitter%2Fd0gada%2F703670613169156097%2F703672578766938112
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KevinMarks is there some config stuff you have to do to make curl work?
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aaronpk that's not the problem, curl works fine for other hosts https://xray-p3k-io.appspot.com/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2F2016%2F02%2F26%2F12%2F
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KevinMarks in python they want you to use the requests library that calls fetch
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tantek KevinMarks: can you verify that you too see The Telegraph blogs? Wondering if we should reply to https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/703129155576070144 with those URLs
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@textfiles Holy shit the Telegraph deleted their entire blogs collection, a mass of writings by columnists. No warning. None. (twitter.com/_/status/703129155576070144)
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KevinMarks yes, looks like they're back
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tantek worth pointing out?
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tantek (i.e. in case that ratchets up the priority in archiving them :) )
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KevinMarks aaronpk: they talk about appengine as special case here: https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/php/urlfetch/
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aaronpk interesting, "your app must set the follow_location option in HTTP context to false"
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aaronpk i'll try that
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KevinMarks meanwhile, I'm locked out of making new appengine projects, and the google cloud account they gave me at launch only seems to work on
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tantek.com edited /The_Telegraph (+250) "update dfn, move blogs outage to a specific section" (view diff)
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petermolnar voxpelli with that video you've linked just help me solving ones of my most annoying issues of storing the responed/liked/reposted/etc urls
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petermolnar in wordpress one tend to use meta fields for everything that can be considered a metadata, whereas plain text and a long regex is way better in this case
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voxpelli petermolnar: nice!
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petermolnar so big thanks :)
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aaronpk darn, that didn't seem to help
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aaronpk well that's super annoying. not sure what else I can do
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KevinMarks use fetch() directly instead of curl?
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aaronpk i'm not convinced that will make a difference?
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aaronpk from what I understand, using the curl functions here is actually using a wrapper that calls URLFetch
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aaronpk that was a rough netsplit
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Loqi [indieweb] "To Known-dev: The Case Against ActivityStreamsPost" by Kyle Mahan https://kylewm.com/2016/02/to-known-dev-the-case-against-activitystreamspost
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tantek "the ActivityStreamsPost is a wrapper around the post that adds no information or context" yeah
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tantek !tell kylewm do you mind if I share https://kylewm.com/2016/02/to-known-dev-the-case-against-activitystreamspost with the W3C Social Web WG as implementer experience in attempting to initially go with an Activity Streams model and the current evaluation of that?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks hm, this sounds interesting https://coralproject.net/beyond-comments-building-better-conversations/
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KevinMarks sorry i missed it
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tantek KevinMarks - I've been on/off in touch with the Coral Project folks at Mozilla and trying to get them to come to IndieWebCamp (e.g. NYC, and next MIT)
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tantek no luck yet
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tantek KevinMarks - if you know any of the names on that page, please invite them to IndieWebCamp MIT!
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@modulhaus3000 @substack, @johnnyscript & Co. jammin' on the ultimate stack, pure anarchitecture, a true dex p2p indieweb complex, and devops killer #daps (twitter.com/_/status/703713935820587008)
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tantek hey their Code of Conduct is mostly greatly positive - very cool
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KevinMarks Bengo is there
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tantek it's happening now?
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KevinMarks I think it's finished
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KevinMarks it was today, and I saw tweets
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tantek did they have a hashtag?
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KevinMarks #beyondcomments
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tantek heh
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tantek more specifically: https://twitter.com/hashtag/beyondcomments?f=tweets&vertical=default
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tantek KevinMarks: perhaps post something saying sorry you missed it but invite them to IWC MIT?
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tantek ok that's a lot of tweets. needs a summary
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@kevinmarks judging by #beyondcomments I missed an interesting day - I'd love to invite people from it to IndieWebCamp MIT http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT (twitter.com/_/status/703716246936641536)
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tantek looks like the conference had some good ethnographic usage information about comments across various sites
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aaronpk woo hoo i'm back
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snarfed hey KevinMarks did you get the django problem worked out?
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KevinMarks no, didnt' work it out
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tantek would be great if we could somehow read hashtagged tweets in time order rather than reverse
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snarfed KevinMarks: :/
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aaronpk_ wow freenode is freaking out today
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aaronpk_ so, I had to special-case bridgy (any appengine URL) and use the file_get_contents method for those
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aaronpk_ the error messages returned from that function are terrible, so I wanted to use curl for all the other URLs
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aaronpk_ but now bridgy URLs work with xray!
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snarfed aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 82 karma
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aaronpk_ so next step, making webmention.io use XRay to parse pages
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@tinokremer A new plugin for @withknown is born, meet Journal: https://tinokremer.nl/2016/test-journal-entry #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/703720285778878465)
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aaronpk_ well that's fancy looking!
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@georgkaser @ChrisAldrich There is already another great open source tool, it's called "Known" https://withknown.com/ #indieweb #postedwithknown (twitter.com/_/status/703723600071823361)
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