#indiewebcamp 2013-09-02

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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2013/UK (+0) "/* Guest List */ counts" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4Rq4D/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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@swpax RT @TrsstProject: Happy to say we are completely compatible with this vision for the #indieweb also. @davewiner https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/349109119cee (twitter.com/_/status/374323893429092352)
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page () "(-976) My go at the front page." (view diff)
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+31) "/* Welcome to the IndieWeb */" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+0) "/* Welcome to the IndieWeb */" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+24) "/* News */" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (-1) "/* News */ Super sorry, last edit I swear" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+165) "/* Notable Projects */" (view diff)
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milk just setting up indieauth on my mediawiki. github auth is saying it can't see rel="me" and github is giving rel="nofollow me". hmm.
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aaronpk milk: are you trying to log in using indieauth.com?
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milk yup
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aaronpk what's your website? most common problem is https/http mixup
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+113) (view diff)
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bret !tell tantek I Made a pass at the front page in my user space. I think some new pages could help clean up the main page more and consolodate lists of articles for newcomers. http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Bret.io/Main_Page
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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bret aaronpk Anyone else can check that out and give feedback as well
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milk aaronpk: https://wiki.thingsandstuff.org
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milk also, just got an error after fixing my google+ url
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milk URI::InvalidURIError at /auth/google_oauth2/callback
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milk bad URI(is not URI?): https://wiki.thingsandstuff.org/index.php?title=Special:IndieAuth&returnto=Open web
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aaronpk what is your personal site you're using to sign in as?
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milk www.milkmiruku.com
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aaronpk without the www I assume?
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milk sheet, transfered it and got the alias wrong. och, https css is wonky.
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aaronpk ah well #1 your github profile links to https://milkmiruku.com which has an invalid cert. try linking it to just http
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aaronpk I got the same URI::InvalidURIError signing in to your wiki as myself
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aaronpk I think it's beacuse there's a space in the URL
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+21) "/* How */ Added irc link back that was removed" (view diff)
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aaronpk yeah, I changed the redirect URI to Main_Page and I was able to sign in
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aaronpk try this: https://wiki.thingsandstuff.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page
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aaronpk I'm not really sure why your mediawiki puts the "+" in the returnto parameter. I don't think mine does. Maybe it's a version difference thing?
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milk i possibly remember changing that for another extension.
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milk but sweet, it works in general!
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aaronpk cool!
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+10) "Fixing TOC and sign in layout button" (view diff)
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bret.io created /news (+386) "Created list of links that currate IWC related news" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (+13) "/* News */ Added link to main article" (view diff)
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 29 minutes ago: I Made a pass at the front page in my user space. I think some new pages could help clean up the main page more and consolodate lists of articles for newcomers. http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Bret.io/Main_Page
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tantek thanks bret - there's definitely some good stuff here, and I like some of your intro mods also
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bret :) cool just ideas
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bret feel a little uneasy making big front page changes still
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bret New pages are things that seem to me better distilled into other pages
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bret Primarily I focused on the how section
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tantek bret - indeed there's a lot we need to move off the home page
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tantek I don't really understand the "Guides" section nor how that got there
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tantek anyone remember who wrote that and what their thinking was? aaronpk?
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aaronpk looks like it's pulling from the [[how]] category
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aaronpk which probably means I put it there a long time ago
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bret.io edited /User:Bret.io/Main_Page (-19) "Changed getting started to the main HOW article" (view diff)
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tantek I'm not sure that automatically pulling from a category is a good way to give folks a how-to list
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tantek I think that kind of thing has to be carefully curated, including ordering.
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aaronpk sure
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tantek plus we've also learned a lot since the days those pages were created and turned into "how" page
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tantek pages
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aaronpk I think I put it there when there was very little content in the wiki
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tantek yeah that sounds right
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tantek At this point I've been working the "how" angle from two ends:
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tantek 1. Getting Start - literally how to start from nothing and start making progress quickly, incrementally.
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bret.io edited /news (+9) "Stubbed the news links page" (view diff)
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tantek 2. IndieMark - working backwards from measurable features of each site, each IndieMark level and axis provides links to features which have "how to" sections
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tantek in fact I think "how to" works better in the context of a feature page, than on a separate page
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bret.io edited /news (+1) "Fixed spacing." (view diff)
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bret tantek, we also started a http://indiewebcamp.com/style-guide when I asked a question about it the other day
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tantek Key part of giving people a list of "how to" items: making sure everything on that list actually gives them something they can, see, use, etc.
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tantek bret, re: style-guide, I've been mixing up "indieweb" and "indie web" and "Indie Web"
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aaronpk I try to be consistent about it, that was my attempt at describing how I think I use them
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tantek I'm actually just using them liberally and seeing what organically gets adopted more in the wild
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tantek even differently on the same page
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bret In context of most things, it doesnt seem like a big deal, but for front page stuff it seemed worth while to try to be consistent
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tantek maybe that's sloppy but I'm not worried too much. if someone feel strongly about one of the variants, feel free to make a case for it
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bret sounds fine to me :)
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tantek go forth :)
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aaronpk tantek: did you see what's on the style guide page?
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tantek I did
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bret Hrmm.. that news page with links. Should I just redirect that to Posts_about_the_IndieWeb?
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bret The one I made today
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aaronpk maybe add the links you collected to the posts page?
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aaronpk I like the list
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bret I am thinking about expanding the one in Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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bret or should I separate them?
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bret.io edited /news (+262) "Moved over the stuff from Posts_about_the_IndieWeb" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (-234) "Moved the list of other resources to the list of news sources page" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /news (+60) "Emphasized IndieNews" (view diff)
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bret aaronpk I separated the two, see what you think. I can reconsolodate them if you want.
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bret http://indiewebcamp.com/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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bret.io edited /news (+118) "Added some more tagboard hashtags" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /news (+0) "fixed link" (view diff)
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bret ok going out. probrably out for tonight. Goodnight
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Loqi gute nacht!
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tantek what's the diff?
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tantek oh "news" is live
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bret One is a list of articles relating to the indieweb, the other is a list of news sources about the indieweb
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bret but we can put them back together if you prefer one page
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tantek I like the distinction
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tantek.com edited /news (+143) "further separate daily hotness, upcoming events, recent posts" (view diff)
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aaronpk the news page looks great!
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aaronparecki.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+13) "ass [[news]] to sidebar" (view diff)
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aaronpk hadn't seen this post yet http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/trsst/
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+11) "/* See Also */ news" (view diff)
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tantek "Powers is following the Indie Web model"
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tantek yeah Klint pinged me about Trsst. I didn't feel like bursting their RSS bubble. :/
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tantek (so I said nothing)
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aaronpk probably for the best. they seem eager to get involved
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tantek yeah I'm trying to be better about that ;)
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tantek bbiab
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tantek FYI: http://indiewebcamp.com/RSS
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neuro` Good morning
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aaronpk good morning
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@aral Vietnam decrees blogs & social media should only be used to share personal info not news. #indiedata http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23920541 Via @ffmetzger (twitter.com/_/status/374416464293670912)
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@ChokepointP RT @aral: Vietnam decrees blogs & social media should only be used to share personal info not news. #indiedata http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23920541 Via… (twitter.com/_/status/374416836185436160)
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@BethanAngharadL RT @aral: Vietnam decrees blogs & social media should only be used to share personal info not news. #indiedata http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23920541 Via… (twitter.com/_/status/374418752924041216)
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@kevinmarks @digitalkitty /me sends the indieweb proselytisers to your door (twitter.com/_/status/374419466869669888)
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@mintlars @glynmoody #indiedata has good ambitions, but how to solve vendor lock-in I wonder? #opensource (twitter.com/_/status/374437735051706368)
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@amasoean The Indiedata movement sounds very interesting: http://aralbalkan.com/notes/indie-data/ (twitter.com/_/status/374438251328995328)
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters I took a cue from your notes list and changed my visual style a bit! http://aaronparecki.com/notes next up is adding the inline reply context!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 11 minutes ago: I took a cue from your notes list and changed my visual style a bit! http://aaronparecki.com/notes next up is adding the inline reply context!
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barnabywalters Aaand… we’re overfull!
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barnabywalters !tell adactio,aral,glennjones,tantek looks like IWCUK is overfull — any idea if the venue is likely to be happy to accommodate one or two extra people?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters aaronpk: looking good! I like the fact you've got month names in there too — adding some more tangible hint at how much time has passed between each note is something I’m interested in working on further
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barnabywalters Was thinking a relative time popping up in between notes on hovering on the gap
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neuro` !tell tantek I think the point of xtof coming as an apprentices comes from the fact he's neither a coder nor a designer and therefore doesn't consider himself as a creator :(
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@ivucica @aral I did look at IndieAuth in more detail now, however, and it makes some sense. It is not very "independent", though :-D (twitter.com/_/status/374463350241251328)
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Loqi adactio: barnabywalters left you a message 57 minutes ago: looks like IWCUK is overfull — any idea if the venue is likely to be happy to accommodate one or two extra people?
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barnabywalters good morning adactio
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bnvk barnabywalters: looks like the rostering is filling up a bit :)
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barnabywalters bnvk: over-filling!
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barnabywalters which is awesome
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barnabywalters I’m glad smari and bjarni got in there in time
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barnabywalters it’s going to be very different to last year
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bnvk heh, awesome
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bnvk incredibly inspiring actually :)
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barnabywalters indeed
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barnabywalters do you think you’ll hit $150,000 in the 9 days left?
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@matthewlmcclure RT @chrismessina: I do really appreciate how @daltonc and @AppDotNet continue to support #IndieWeb tech: http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #activityst… (twitter.com/_/status/374518917416222720)
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barnabywalters f
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cweiske u
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barnabywalters oops — wrong window
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barnabywalters cweiske: classy
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barnabywalters :)
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neuro` Hi barnabywalters
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barnabywalters morning neuro`!
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neuro` How're you going?
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barnabywalters excellent thanks
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barnabywalters getting excited about IWCUK!
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barnabywalters looking forward to seeing you there
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neuro` I'll only be online, I have a huge maintenance at work. But the good point is I'll be fully available to hack / discuss 99% of the time
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barnabywalters oh cool
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neuro` Will mostly be about mysqldump / load and rsync between 2 platforms
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barnabywalters fun times :)
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neuro` Yup, my last week-end in this company.
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barnabywalters where are you going next?
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neuro` Botify, 7 people French startup.
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neuro` Where are you working at?
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barnabywalters Vísar, in reykjavik. we make survey software and do data viz stuff
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barnabywalters neuro`: this one? http://www.botify.com/
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neuro` barnabywalters: yes.
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barnabywalters nice
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neuro` Living in Reykjavik sounds cool
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cweiske cool it is
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cweiske it's on iceland
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barnabywalters yes, it’s decidedly rainy at the moment :)
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barnabywalters but there are cool people here, and awesome nature within 30 mins drive, so worth the weather
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@aral Set up a little space for myself at @lighthousearts for my residency. #indiedata https://twitter.com/aral/status/374528511823720448/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/374528511823720448)
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barnabywalters ^ I only just heard about Pourover. It’s great that my initial pessimism about them has been proven false
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@BarnabyWalters New profile photo practise: colour on my #indieweb site, B&W on other identities. Next is some way to… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RqDy0/ (twitter.com/_/status/374531660005801984)
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@LighthouseArts RT @aral: Set up a little space for myself at @lighthousearts for my residency. #indiedata https://twitter.com/aral/status/374528511823720448/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/374534142391615489)
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@aral Excited to announce that I have joined Lighthouse as technologist in residence as I develop Prometheus. http://lighthouse.org.uk/programme/technologist-in-residence #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374534449436049408)
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aaronpk I'm going to start tracking issues with p3k on github.com even though there isn't source code there https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k
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aaronpk that way anybody can file an issue if they notice something is broken
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barnabywalters good plan
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aaronpk and it will track things a little better than the giant wiki page
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barnabywalters that’s another use case for POSSEing to github issues
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aaronpk true!
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barnabywalters indieweb bug reports, mirrored on github
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aaronpk i will probably end up doing that!
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@JayGreasley @aral @laurakalbag nice. and even nicer given the timing of http://indiewebcamp.com/ wish I could attend. (twitter.com/_/status/374545278813999105)
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barnabywalters I only found out about this meme yesterday — apparently the Architect has a wiki http://i.qkme.me/3vo2z0.jpg
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neuro` We're going to release Publify 7.0 during IWCUK13, so it will probably be named after that.
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barnabywalters neuro`: nice, what’s new in this version?
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neuro` barnabywalters: mostly notes with Twitter POSSE
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barnabywalters awesome
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neuro` + microformated theme
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barnabywalters woo!
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neuro` + small enhancements here and there
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barnabywalters that’s great, do you know how many people it’ll be rolled out to?
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neuro` Not sure, if I watch GH stats, a few 1000s.
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barnabywalters that’s great
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neuro` Yup. I wish Rubyonrails blog would still use it, but they switched to something else a few years ago.
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@cstanhope @BarnabyWalters Interesting way of promoting and "branding" your #indieweb work. :) (twitter.com/_/status/374553502090936321)
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@scottcsherwood @aral I am a huge advocate of #indiedata and I am hugely encouraged by Prometheus. If there is a way to get involved then count me in. (twitter.com/_/status/374553713316466688)
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@aral Facebook may add your profile photo to facial recognition database http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/facebook-may-add-your-profile-photo-facial-recognition-database-8C11030921 Related: http://aralbalkan.com/notes/on-owning-your-own-data/ #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374557631392010240)
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Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 8 hours, 2 minutes ago: looks like IWCUK is overfull — any idea if the venue is likely to be happy to accommodate one or two extra people?
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Loqi tantek: neuro` left you a message 7 hours, 58 minutes ago: I think the point of xtof coming as an apprentices comes from the fact he's neither a coder nor a designer and therefore doesn't consider himself as a creator :(
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barnabywalters afternoon tantek
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tantek well good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek barnabywalters - last I heard from Aral, the 30 person limit is pretty tight
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barnabywalters ah, that’s a pity
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tantek we'll just have to see if there are any no-shows
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tantek perhaps we should pre-print badges?
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barnabywalters briansuda mentioned that he’s only going to be in on sunday, so there’s potentially a space on saturday
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tantek he should put that on his RSVP :P
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tantek (as well as a photo - he had on a previous RSVP)
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barnabywalters yeah, i think he added it via a phone
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tantek oh wow!
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tantek neuro` ok I guess I can understand that. however how is he an apprentice of you when you are not even coming?
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tantek neuro` and Nicolas Bermond cannot be an apprentice of an apprentice so we need to figure that out.
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barnabywalters well xtof can log in, so he’s a creator — then Nicolas can be his apprentice
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tantek yeah I'm going to bump xtof to creator
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tantek.com moved /User:Blaine to /User:Romeda.org "Old user page had content, and new one didn't so this seemed to be the best way to move that."
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@aral RT @ffffelix: @aral What Google Glass aspires to be http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57600765-93/what-google-glass-aspires-to-be/ #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374602316378558464)
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@devseo The IndieWeb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem - http://benwerd.com/2013/07/09/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem/ (twitter.com/_/status/374606493875994624)
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@aral “Google Play Services is Google’s new platform.” (And it’s closed.) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ Ht @0xabad1dea #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374666302180569088)
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@netriver RT @aral: “Google Play Services is Google’s new platform.” (And it’s closed.) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ Ht @0xabad1dea #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374666985029652480)
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@seanschraeder RT @aral: “Google Play Services is Google’s new platform.” (And it’s closed.) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ Ht @0xabad1dea #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374666993862836224)
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@noxymo RT @aral: “Google Play Services is Google’s new platform.” (And it’s closed.) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ Ht @0xabad1dea #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374669544096563200)
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@seankumar5 RT @aral: “Google Play Services is Google’s new platform.” (And it’s closed.) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ Ht @0xabad1dea #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374674623616778241)
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@markosamuli RT @aral: “Google Play Services is Google’s new platform.” (And it’s closed.) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ Ht @0xabad1dea #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374676706881466368)
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@pixeljer RT @aral: “Google Play Services is Google’s new platform.” (And it’s closed.) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ Ht @0xabad1dea #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374677730958532608)
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@tonylenzi RT @aral: “Google Play Services is Google’s new platform.” (And it’s closed.) http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ Ht @0xabad1dea #indiedata (twitter.com/_/status/374682648733417472)
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