#indiewebcamp 2014-01-27

2014-01-27 UTC
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bret Ted Nelson's youtube channel is a goldmine of good ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yLNGUeHapA
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bret IE: the database antipattern! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhzD2FKEEds
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bret Also Donald Knuth's word of wisdom :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Ju0eM5T2c
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@ShaneHudson @katieolthoff @TobyDiva @CoreyFreeman You should check out http://indiewebcamp.com/principles #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/427631401228582912)
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@thattommyhall @cheeseplus @animalphase I always want a way in and out of services, also wish http://indiewebcamp.com/why was more popular (twitter.com/_/status/427660400725749760)
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Loqi [mention] http://snarfed.org/2014-01-26_homebrew-website-club-on-wednesday linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://snarfed.org/2014-01-26_homebrew-website-club-on-wednesday linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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@nitot @benwerd oh and thanks so much for the really cool IndieWeb preso & demo while I was in SF last week! (twitter.com/_/status/427688814724022272)
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@nitot @plegall @piwigo @fwenzel yeah, I'm strongly willing to go #indieWeb & leave silos but need a plan first (twitter.com/_/status/427689631308845057)
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Jihaisse Hello
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jonnybarnes hi Jihaisse
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Loqi [@thomaslevine] @twitter has been pretty bad about not loading over the past couple months
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Loqi I need to switch to some sort of POSSE. http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (http://twtr.io/hTJi4WKG7W)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/snarfed_org/427850593391362050/139199211 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/427850593391362050/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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tantek good morning IndieWebCamp!
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tantek I think it's about time our "next event" on the home page reflected things in 2014. ;)
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tantek thought: now that we have BOTH regular Homebrew Website Club meetups, and several IndieWebCamps in the works for 2014, how about we list *both* the next/soonest of each, perhaps more briefly?
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aaronpk +1!
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tantek I remember there were folks here that previously had strong home page opinions (was bnvk or barnabywalters that even tried making a fork of the home page? I forget)
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tantek thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk bret maybe?
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tantek ah maybe it was bret
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tantek also explicitly interested in snarfed, skinny's opinions on this
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aaronpk i can't seem to find it
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aaronpk ah here it is
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Bret.io/Main_Page
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bnvk tantek: aaronpk: yah, I probably said something about it, Barnaby says he prolly made some small changes :)
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bret I took a stab at cleaning up the front page a while back yeah
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bret Looking it over, I like the simplified How section in my version. It links to Important articles and Project highlights though, which would need to be written still
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bret.io edited /events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (+93) "/* RSVP */ I'm planing on coming!" (view diff)
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tantek takes another look at bret's home page
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tantek yes our "how" needs a rewrite
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tantek though I'm not in favor of "hopeful" hows
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tantek or rather, of a "how" section written with assumption/expectation of other articles needing to be written
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tantek I'd rather a "how" section was precisely real world as of TODAY
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tantek assembled from exactly what's the best *existing* documented "how" advice today
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tantek rather than what how advice could be better tomorrow
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tantek then if someone cares to make better how advice tomorrow, we can update accordingly
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tantek also - anyone ever see photos from IndieWebCamp Hollywood?
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aaronpk ooh I think they are still on my camera
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tantek wait how's that possible mr. eyefi? ;)
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tantek never saw any posted anywhere - but then I didn't comprehensively check everyone's Flickr profiles either
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aaronpk my eye-fi card wasn't fast enough for my new camera, so I had to use a regular SD card until I got a new eye-fi :)
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tantek aaronpk - maybe when you get a chance, pick one and upload / embed on http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood ?
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aaronpk will do
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Loqi benwerd: barnabywalters left you a message 1 week, 4 days ago: loving the art for indiecomments idea! apparently idno isn’t resolving relative author photo URLs on http://werd.io/2014/im-making-50-pieces-of-art-do-you-want-one — is this my fault or are you using an older version of php-mf2?
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Loqi benwerd: snarfed left you a message 6 days, 1 hour ago: looking fwd to your indieweb talk tonight! http://werd.io/2014/introduction-to-the-indieweb
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Loqi benwerd: snarfed left you a message 6 days, 1 hour ago: if you post a reminder, i'll happily spread it
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Loqi benwerd: caseorganic left you a message on 1/21 at 5:03pm: hope your presentation went really well!
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 1/21 at 5:31pm: any thoughts of displaying retweets/reposts with a retweets icon and count? similar to likes/faves on your posts, e.g. after the "15 days ago" here: http://werd.io/2014/introduction-to-the-indieweb . See also: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Displaying_reposts_of
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 1/21 at 7:28pm: it looks like I RSVPd to one of your notes ;) http://werd.io/2014/im-hosting-an-informal-introduction-to-open-discussion-about-the
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tantek lol
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aaronpk welcome back benwerd lol
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benwerd I .. didn't realize I'd been away so long!
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tantek welcome back benwerd++ :)
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benwerd Thanks :)
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benwerd caseorganic: I think it went well. Lots of interesting, v different discussion. Thanks tantek & snarfed for coming!
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benwerd tantek: I seem to have broken something in my webmentions implementation. I *am* supposed to be handling / displaying reposts. There's also an issue with parsing replies from some people, eg barnabywalters and snarfed.
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benwerd I'm aiming to spend 8 hours across tonight and tomorrow evening on idno, so should hopefully fix it
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tantek.com edited /2014/SF (+83) "/* To-do */ venue is top item currently" (view diff)
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tantek benwerd - cool. I'm looking into possible venues for IndieWebCampSF
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tantek.com edited /2014/SF (+67) "/* Details */ avoid conflict BarCamp Portland" (view diff)
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tantek benwerd - is there a wiki page for your talk? Wanted to add a link to the IRC logs during the talk - some notes there.
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benwerd tantek - cool. I'll ask around also, although suspect you'll be able to surface more than I can.
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benwerd tantek - re a wiki page, not yet. I'll add one.
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tantek I may have some photos to upload - I can't remember if I took any!
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tantek though I remember you posting some
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benwerd yeah, demoing posting straight from mobile
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werd.io created /events/2014-01-21-introduction-indieweb (+1523) "Created page with "= <span class="p-name summary">An Introduction to the Indieweb</span> = == Details == === When === <span class="dt-start dtstart"><time class="value">2014-01-21</time> at <time c..."" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /Events (-35) "/* 2014 */" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /events/2014-01-21-introduction-indieweb (+69) "/* Posts & Photos */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Previous_IndieWebCamps (+1255) "move IndieWebCamp Hollywood to here from home page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2013/Hollywood (+29) "add Guest_List id for inbound links to work" (view diff)
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Jeena Hanselman on people centric ui design http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WhyIsntPeopleCentricUIDesignTakingOff.aspx
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jonnybarnes looking at the indieauth guide here: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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jonnybarnes whats the idea for the state parameter?
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jonnybarnes random string like a csrf token?
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tantek.com edited /2014/SF (+4560) "rewrite with a bunch more sections" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2013/Hollywood (-94) "rm to-do" (view diff)
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tantek hey brianloveswords, add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people :)
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brianloveswords tantek: huh, does indieauth not work with https?
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tantek what are you having trouble with?
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brianloveswords tantek: https://cloudup.com/chODa7GYd3u
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tantek brianloveswords - see the error message starting with "Insecure redirect error. " :)
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brianloveswords My site forces https, so if you try to hit http, it redirects you to https. I can't type "https://bjb.io" into the indieauth login box because it claims I don't have any rel=me links, but "bjb.io" works.
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tantek oh that's odd I thought you would type https into the login box. aaronpk?
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tantek s/would/could
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Loqi tantek meant to say: oh that's odd I thought you could type https into the login box. aaronpk?
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aaronpk i thought so too
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aaronpk oh that's a different thing
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aaronpk the problem is that twitter or whatever is linking to http not https
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tantek ah, the faq
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aaronpk the error message is explaining it, but not very well. also the error needs to be presented better and not as a giant ruby error
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brianloveswords aaronpk, tantek: ah, I changed it but I did not rescan. Just noticed the scan date was Oct 22.
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brianloveswords But now on rescan, it's hanging and won't make any progress.
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aaronpk brianloveswords: ah I see the problem... your ssl cert is not installed properly
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aaronpk try going to https://bjb.io/ in firefox
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brianloveswords aaronpk: works fine for me
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aaronpk (chrome and safari are more forgiving)
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aaronpk chances are you didn't install the intermediate cert
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aaronpk if for some reason you have the intermediate cert in your keychanin then you won't see the error
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aaronpk (which you probably do if you got the cert from startssl)
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brianloveswords I did indeed
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aaronpk tantek: do you get a cert warning in firefox for https://bjb.io ?
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tantek no
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aaronpk huh
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aaronpk well I suspect that's the reason the indieauth server can't scan your site
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tantek bjb.io - whoa brianloveswords are you POSSEing those tweets or PESOSing them?
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aaronpk here's what I see in firefox http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/12180048043_bb538f0580_o.png
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tantek I'm running FF26.0
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aaronpk i gotta run. if you can figure out what the problem with the SSL cert is, then it should start working with indieauth.com
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tantek can you try About Firefox and check your version?
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brianloveswords tantek: POSSEing (though sometimes on mobile I don't)
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aaronpk 18.0.2
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tantek aaronpk - uh, please update!
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aaronpk haha
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tantek cert handling has likely been fixed a bunch
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aaronpk updated
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aaronpk and yep now the cert works
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tantek :)
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aaronpk yeah the server has the same error "SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed"
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jonnybarnes how were you running such an old install of firefox?
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aaronpk i don't use firefox
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aaronpk i use chrome mainly, and open up safari when i need a clean slate
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tantek hadn't launched it in a while?
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aaronpk apparently
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+703) "update upcoming event summary to show next Homebrew Website Club and next IndieWebCamp" (view diff)
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aaronpk gotta run!
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+2) "move toc" (view diff)
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tantek ok I went ahead and was "bold" and updated the home page
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+14) "balance some markup" (view diff)
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tantek bret, bnvk, brianloveswords, snarfed et al, please take a look: http://indiewebcamp.com/
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tantek I tried to incorporate Homebrew Website Club fairly high up since that seems to have growing interest (and is more broadly accessible)
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tantek I also shrunk the "next indiewebcamp" section
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tantek this is a very rough first cut at a home page iteration, so additional suggestions very much welcome!
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tantek still haven't addressed "how" at all - just wanted to update and remove obsolete (old event info)
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bnvk tantek: nice, definitely an improvement ;)
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jonnybarnes btw aaronpk you're right up on indieweb/indieauth-cleint-php/readme.md is excellent
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jonnybarnes thank you
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brianloveswords tantek, definitely, looks good. Homebrew Website Club being highlighted makes sense!
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bret tantek look great
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bnvk tantek: easy to implement suggestions- maybe make "Events" the same h2 as Homebrew Club, and have "IndieWebCampSF 2014" under that h2
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snarfed looks good tantek!
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snarfed fixing minor typo(s) now, but i haven't seen anything major
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bnvk Maybe lose the paragraphs for (Principles, Selfdogfood, Design) under Distinguishing, leaving just the links. Just so there's less text on screen & not overwhelming to new visitor- but that's a matter of taste, maybe some like that :P
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upon2020.com edited /2014/SF (+296) "added myself" (view diff)
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@Johannes_Ernst Registered for #IndieWebCamp San Francisco early March http... - http://upon2020.com/banter/2014/01/27/registered-for-indiewebcamp-san-francisco-early-march-http/ (twitter.com/_/status/427944122683777024)
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Loqi [mention] http://upon2020.com/banter/2014/01/27/registered-for-indiewebcamp-san-francisco-early-march-http/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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bret tantek, not sure if you saw this earlier, a companion to the front page I did up was this page: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Bret.io/Main_Page/New_Pages
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bret it identifies some content on the main page that might be better off somewhere else.
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bret It pairs with the draft that was linked to earlier http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Bret.io/Main_Page
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bret obviously its a bit stale at this point. Like bnvk
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bret ack
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bret like bcvk, i wanted to reduce the wall of text
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bret bnvk is fresh as hell
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bret :D
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bret hit enter to soon
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bnvk bret: hehe wat?
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bret it looked like I called you stale, definitely not what I meant
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@justagwailo Starred aaronpk/IndieAuth on GitHub https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth (twitter.com/_/status/427946835391827968)
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bnvk bret: hah ;)
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tantek.com edited /2014/SF (+42) "hotlinking @Johannes_Ernst twitter icon since there wasn't one from his own site ;)" (view diff)
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tantek bret - I appreciate what you've done with your New_Pages page - that's useful input
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tantek brianloveswords woohoo!
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tantek ok so quick thumbs up/down - what do folks think of the new "Homebrew Website Club" summary section with "next meeting" link and previous well attended meeting photo?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/#Homebrew_Website_Club
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tantek (both in terms of content/size - i.e. is it too "wall of texty" and in terms of placement - should it be above/below other things)
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bret +1
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benwerd tantek - +1 from here too. order can always be changed as indiewebcamp gets closer