#indiewebcamp 2016-03-07

2016-03-07 UTC
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@gRegorLove @CarlNelson There’s some options on https://indiewebcamp.com/projects (twitter.com/_/status/706663091413487616)
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill commented '@CarlNelson There’s some options on https://indiewebcamp.com/projects' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/projects (https://gregorlove.com/2016/03/carlnelson-theres-some-options-on/)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp
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tantek why are events hard?
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GWG Good evening, tantek.
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tantek just went to FB to create a private event (since I don't support events nor private posts on my own site yet) and there's no obvious way to do it
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tantek There's a status text box, a button for photo/video, and a life event
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tantek but no button or obvious UI to create a new event
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GWG Someday I hope to have enough events to make event creation worth focusing on.
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tantek what is create?
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Loqi create in the context of the indieweb refers to the act of and UI for creating a new post, in its simplest form, a new note https://indiewebcamp.com/create
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tantek hmm no clues here https://indiewebcamp.com/create#Facebook
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tantek Perhaps the event system is completely different
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tantek ah, in the profile/events page there's a [ + Create Event ] button and [ ✏️ ] (Manage) button
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tantek a-ha, on the /events page (which redirects to events/upcoming ) There's also a [ + Create ] button in the left column
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tantek thus event creation is only provided contextually, when viewing your events or your calendar
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tantek I wonder if that's deliberate or just an accidental outcome of their current iterative UI
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tantek.com edited /create (+464) "/* Facebook */ Events have a separate creation UI" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /create (+83) "/* Facebook Events */" (view diff)
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tantek This is very odd. Their general "create" UI has a "life event" option but no "event" option. Do people really create more "life events" than "events"?!?
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tantek That seems unlikely
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KartikPrabhu from my personal anecdotal evidence -- yes
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KartikPrabhu as in I se more "life events" than "events" on my FB "wall"
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tantek really confused by that
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KartikPrabhu FB is mostly for "emotional" posting rather than "organisational" posts
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KartikPrabhu so life events like "moved to Chicago", "married to so and so", in a relationship etc... are more frequent
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tantek are life events really that frequent? You may be seeing more purely because of The Algorithm™
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KartikPrabhu than "hosting dinner"
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KartikPrabhu tantek: oh sure maybe the Algo plays a part which why I prefaced with personal anectodal evidence
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tantek well the UI definitely *encourages* creating more life events
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tantek so that aspect may be deliberate
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KartikPrabhu which might feedback into them being more frequent as they are easier to create
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KartikPrabhu just like why I have more "notes" than "articles"
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KartikPrabhu on my site.
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tantek there's no reason a life event should be easier to create than a normal event
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KartikPrabhu that is a deliberate decision too on my part
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[kevinmarks] They effectively wrap separate apps into tabs
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[kevinmarks] So you click events to go into the calendar app
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tantek but that's an incomplete / broken split
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tantek you don't go into the status app, nor the photos app, nor the videos app, nor the life events app
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tantek nor the checkin app
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tantek you *create* something by typing and then you add aspects to it
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KartikPrabhu tantek: in a good UI yes I would agree
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tantek events / calendar is *different* in this regard, hence the questioning
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I'm describing their existing UI for notes photos video
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KartikPrabhu yes, which is a good UI IMO
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tantek see screenshots: https://indiewebcamp.com/create#Facebook
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KartikPrabhu that brings up a question: how many people on the Indieweb use a "unified" UI for different post-types?
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KartikPrabhu I don't
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tantek I have a split between notes/photos/videos/rsvps, likes, articles
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KartikPrabhu I have notes/articles
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KartikPrabhu but yes that would be an interesting poll for Indieweb users :)
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tantek and I'm adding more to auto_link to eventually make it possible to write articles like notes
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tantek per my Markdown replacement
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tantek why do I have to upload a photo when there are already photos in FB to choose from?
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Facebook-create-event-ui.png]]""
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tantek.com edited /create (+109) "/* Facebook */ create event screenshot" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /create (+307) "/* Facebook Events */ Issues, photos should allow choosing from existing, guests should be able to invite mutual friends" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, until that day, I am going to keep documenting existing event UIs
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tantek appears that you have to choose between a "Public" event, "Private" where invitees can invite friends, and "Private" by host invitation only
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tantek.com edited /create (+203) "/* Facebook Events */ public/private options" (view diff)
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prtksxna GWG: Congratulations on getting all the changes you needed in the new release :)
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Loqi [mention] felix schwenzel commented 'theoretisch ist das sehr geschmeidig, wie ich es mache, praktisch furchtbar komp...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9493/1/54/)
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Loqi [indieweb] "antwort auf einen eintrag auf www.facebook.com" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9493/1/0/
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Loqi [indieweb] "antwort auf einen eintrag auf www.facebook.com" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9493/1/54/
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petermolnar reacji coming to WordPress: https://wordpress.org/plugins/react/
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prtksxna petermolnar: Very descriptive…description.
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petermolnar the announcement is here: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2016/03/07/reactions/
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Loqi Gary Pendergast
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prtksxna petermolnar: Ah! Thanks :)
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@evucan Thanks to @mothersele @DrupalCampLDN for an interesting talk on the gentrification of the web and bringing @indiewebcamp to our attentions. (twitter.com/_/status/706779751768309760)
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petermolnar "gentrification of the web" wat?
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petermolnar adactio "All times are Pacific Time unless otherwise noted in venues." you may want to add a GMT to the times
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cweiske .. or automatically adjust to the browser's timezone
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cweiske via javascript for example
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petermolnar cweiske that sentence is on the HWC page
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petermolnar the browser tz has nothing to do with it in this case
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petermolnar however, I believe the Brighton HWC is not in Pacific time 18:30 PM
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cweiske petermolnar, I'm saying that automatically converting times to the browser's timezone would help
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petermolnar I'd never try to automate timezones without confirmation
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petermolnar becase they are evil
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cweiske why wouldn't I want to see times in my timezone?
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petermolnar you might go through a proxy and end up seeing tz for the proxy
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cweiske what if conversion is done via javascript?
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cweiske so the original timezone is sent out, and the JS replaces it with the local time
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petermolnar I know technically it can be done, but instead of a fully automated, trying to be smart thing, I'd ask for a confirmation at the end ( are you sure this is going to be in Pacific time? You seem to be in CET right now. )
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petermolnar or just use UTC
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cweiske petermolnar, I would do it only do for display purposes
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cweiske not when editing
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petermolnar ah, ok
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petermolnar that is better, but the timezone should always be shown
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cweiske this could even be a browser feature
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adactio.com edited /events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (-40) "/* When */ Removing timezoneism" (view diff)
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adactio There. I fixed it.
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 1 day, 17 hours ago: is there a HWC Brighton this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-05/line/1457201777767
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@mothersele .@fehnman It's a W3C working draft standard that has come out of #indieweb https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-micropub-20160128/ (twitter.com/_/status/706810791824105473)
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@adactio People in Brighton with websites …see you on Wednesday. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/706833198165139456)
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petermolnar this might interest some: http://flif.info/index.html "FLIF - Free Lossless Image Format" it claims to be "Responsive by design"
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@seb_ly RT @adactio People in Brighton with websites …see you on Wednesday. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/706833601434877952)
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@rem RT @adactio People in Brighton with websites …see you on Wednesday. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/706835827180097536)
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@ChromiumDev RT @adactio People in Brighton with websites …see you on Wednesday. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/706836397815107584)
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@LimlongquanLong RT @adactio People in Brighton with websites …see you on Wednesday. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/706842603484893188)
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GWG Morning
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pfefferle good morning
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calumryan.com edited /events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (+16) "/* Brighton */" (view diff)
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GWG pfefferle, I have a link for you.
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2016/03/05/comment-improvements-wordpress-4-44-5/
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Loqi [David Shanske] Comment Improvements in WordPress 4.4/4.5
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tantek lol "timezoneism"
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tantek petermolnar: there are very few explicit search results for "gentrification of the Web" - definitely something we can document
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tantek the references are from 2015, 2006, 2004, and 2000
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tantek so it's not clear which of those the tweet is referring to
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tantek weird, all references are about different things using vaguely similar metaphors
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tantek related: https://twitter.com/drozas/status/706088629089771520
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@drozas Great #DCLondon talk by @mothersele on effects of gentrification on #freeSoftware comm. and need to #redecentralise [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/706088629089771520)
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tantek aaronpk: have we discussed having Loqi do OPD on silo posts and show those instead?
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Loqi woot!
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Loqi [bridgy] Colin Devroe replied '@adactio Are these ever streamed online or recorded?' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/cdevroe/status/706864037469011968)
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aaronpk we have not
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alpower Morning! QQ: I run my site on middleman/GHPages (https://alpower.com) but am looking to set up a POSSE type setup for my posts (-> Medium) and also PESOS (for Instagram, Pinboard etc). Current blog is just a bunch of markdown files really. I believe I need to move beyond a static site to achieve this - does anyone have any experience with a similar setup? Am thinking I might have to move to something like DigitalOcean and either roll my own simple
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alpower find a suitable simple CMS that can handle this. Any advice/thoughts as to options?
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petermolnar alpower Medium pull in content via RSS, that is probably the easiest approach
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petermolnar see https://medium.com/@saul/creating-medium-stories-via-rss-c2ac93d08288#.yq1na7h2o
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petermolnar for automatic PESOS you will need code, yes
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alpower thanks petermolnar - I'll have a dig into the indieweb site for more info on PESOS options.
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petermolnar for inspirations on instagram, I recommend looking at http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourgram
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petermolnar and http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
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tantek petermolnar: do we have a good micropub -> GHPages solution yet?
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petermolnar I'm not aware of it, not being a big believer on GHpages
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tantek would seem to be doable, github auth and go
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petermolnar that is true
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tantek depending on static page formats of course
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aaronpk github pages is just a file hosting service, so it's actually more of a matter of micropub to whatever static site system you're using that publishes to github pages
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aaronpk for example someone could set up a micropub service that works with middleman, but it wouldn't necessarily work with a node.js based static site generator
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sknebel well, github pages has integrated jekyll support, so it's not *just* static file hosting
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sknebel if you have a jekyll setup that fits in what they support, they'll build your pages for you on push
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aaronpk true, but that's still just one of the many static site generators out there
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sknebel yeah
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aaronpk also obvs not what alpower is using
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alpower as there's not really much there on my blog currently, I'm happy to change it :)
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aaronpk i'm not suggesting changing it :) use whatever is comfortable!
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pfefferle GWG have read it already ;)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Indieweb Post Kinds" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/#post-77573
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alpower thanks for those links aaronpk - will have a look into both of those.
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GWG pfefferle: It is a list of things I want to use in Semantic Linkbacks and webmentions
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pfefferle GWG but it seems that they removed the filter https://core.trac.wordpress.org/changeset/36661
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GWG pfefferle: What do you mean?
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sknebel alpower: are you currently running middleman on your local computer?
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GWG pfefferle: I don't see any removal
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tantek wow "gentrification of the web" seems to mean so many different things, it's like whatever people are annoyed about the web changing
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alpower sknebel yes - I run locally, then use a plugin as part of deploy process to GH pages.
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tantek maybe that's the problem with the term "gentrification?" - it's come to mean any change that the speaker dislikes?
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alpower which then itself commits changes, which GH pages deploys, which is then served up by CloudFlare
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tantek https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22gentrification%20of%20the%20web%22&src=typd
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pfefferle GWG I don't see anything that helps us preprocess anything...
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tantek fears he has stepped into a rabbithole
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tantek what is the gentrification of the web?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gentrification of the web" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fr
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GWG pfefferle: If you can now store comment meta by putting it into $commentdata, then how many steps can you simplify the code by for one.
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tantek gentrification of the web is an expression used by writers to refer to changes happening (or expected) in the web that they dislike, disagree with, or fear.
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loqi.me created /gentrification_of_the_web (+183) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457368893556 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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sknebel alpower: you might want to set it up with some continuous integration provider?
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tantek I blame you petermolnar
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petermolnar reading back
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sknebel so a possible PESOS solution would "just" have to add a new file to the repository
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pfefferle GWG but you can only access the remote source and not the $commentdata https://core.trac.wordpress.org/changeset/36661
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sknebel and your page would automatically be rebuild and deployed?
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GWG pfefferle: I'm thinking of the preprocess_comment hook.
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pfefferle GWG ok, this is nice!
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tantek ouch: http://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/post/140278326463/poetica
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GWG pfefferle: If you put the changes I noted together, it has potential to simplify things.
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pfefferle GWG ok, I will have a look
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pfefferle GWG what about trackbacks?
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petermolnar tantek blame Loqi :P it was a tweet content
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GWG pfefferle: Trackbacks never had retrieval of the remote source. But with this, you could pull it at the preprocess_comment level as well.
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GWG pfefferle: Basically, add in the $remote_source_original in.
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pfefferle GWG what about wp_update_comment?
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GWG pfefferle: I need to propose they add similar stuff there, I guess
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pfefferle GWG whout be nice, to support also updates
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voxpelli alpower: I had PESOS working for Instagram on my GitHub Pages driven site, using OwnYourGram and Micropub
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tantek when your web host updates your PHP but not your WordPress: http://iii.bobulate.com/2006/05/the-gentrification-of-the-web/
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GWG pfefferle: It will still work though because they added $comment_data to comment_post.
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sknebel alpower: just found this in the wiki: http://indiewebcamp.com/gitpub (paging bret )
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tantek " Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cookie - headers already sent by (output started at /nfs/c02/h09/mnt/27817/domains/iii.bobulate.com/html/wordpress/wp-settings.php:516) in /nfs/c02/h09/mnt/27817/domains/iii.bobulate.com/html/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-automatic-upgrade/wordpress-automatic-upgrade.php on line 119"
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aaronpk tantek: lolololol
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aaronpk appropriate use of gentrify?
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tantek kinda scary that as a reader I'm seeing errors in someone else's automatic upgrade script
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voxpelli tantek: so yes, we do have micropub to GitHub Pages somewhat, I just need to wrap it up, blog about it and make it more readily available
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tantek aaronpk: no idea, that's the problem
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tantek scroll-up
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aaronpk lol yeah
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aaronpk that's kind of true when people talk about gentrifying cities too though
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GWG pfefferle: I may do a PR at some point after 4.5 comes out.
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voxpelli sknebel: alpower: tantek: so basically what is demoed here is Micropub to GitHub Pages (with some iOS on top): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBPmSpD2jN4
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sknebel wishes for threaded/branching IRC sometimes
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tantek sknebel: it's a feature, it encourages people to work on things off-chat to allow one topic at a time instead of communication overload ;)
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aaronpk people are pretty good at sorting out conversation threads :) no need to jam a technological solution on top
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KartikPrabhu on js;dr https://eev.ee/blog/2016/03/06/maybe-we-could-tone-down-the-javascript/
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petermolnar sknebel nope, this is much better, I never like threads; @mention and quotes are way better
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tantek "subject" is one of the worst features of email. it both causes communication overload, and people fork email threads without changing subject :)
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petermolnar s/like/liked
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: sknebel nope, this is much better, I never liked threads; @mention and quotes are way better
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bear yes, I find that not having the ability to do complex conversations forces them to be more precise and document complex things offline
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bear if you need to point back to a specific conversation the loqi web log pointer is the best way
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tantek sknebel successfully trolls the channel into meta-discussion ;)
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Loqi who, me?
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petermolnar tantek subject used to be very important to prevent downloading a lot of bytes which used to cost time and money in the wap and pre-wap days
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tantek petermolnar: didn't work. people just didn't change the subject
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bear subject was used that way in the early usenet days
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bear before irc, email and other "internet" things became more common place
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petermolnar I know, but that is a littlebit like blaming the hammer for falling on my finger :)
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voxpelli sknebel: alpower: petermolnar: so basically https://github.com/voxpelli/node-github-publish + https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express + some glue inbetween = Micropub to GitHub Pages
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voxpelli I just need to publish my glue so that it's easier for others to adopt + maybe launch it as a service. Perhaps I can get time to do that at IWC Nuremburg
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voxpelli is stubborn and refuses to change subject ;)
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kylewm I find that article's use of gentrification a little bit insensitive. In real life it means changes in the socioeconomics of a neighborhood displacing people who have lived there for a long time... not just a different brand of fancy cheese
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tantek kylewm: yeah there's plenty of that mis-use going around
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sknebel voxpelli: do you use jekyll as supported by github, or is it run externally?
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voxpelli sknebel: I use GitHub:s built in
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+3351) "draft with a bunch of examples of different things" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: feel free to review / update / add an Issues / Criticism section :) https://indiewebcamp.com/gentrification_of_the_web
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kylewm wow!
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kylewm tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 279 karma
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tantek kylewm: I have this problem with rabbitholes and needing to reverse breadcrumb my way back out of them
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bret sknebel: I never got Gitpub beyond a prototype. It works but has lots of weird bugs
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bret I wrote it when I didn't knownmuch about JavaScript
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tantek maybe I should have posted that as a blog post?
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aaronpk it's not too late!
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tantek kinda don't want to start the week with a Twitter fight
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tantek "gentrification" is the kind of word on Twitter that provokes knee-jerk tweetjactions
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aaronpk that's not a word
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tantek I can fix that
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aaronpk oh no
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aaronpk did not mean to send tantek down another rabbit hole
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tantek go ahead and ask google about "snarkinition"
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tantek what the what? http://indieweb.intoxvs.info/
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sknebel voxpelli: want to add the video + the GH-links to /Jekyll in the wiki?
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aaronpk weird news aggregator autogenerating content?
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alpower voxpelli sknebel thanks! will look at those this evening
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voxpelli sknebel: I have a writeup planned and the actual glue project mostly completed, so I was thinking to maybe wait until I can get that up
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kodfabrik.se edited /Jekyll (+47) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Added a note about me supporting webmention and micropub on my jekyll blog" (view diff)
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petermolnar tantek what kind of monster is that url?! that thing is 1.6MB in text, mostly in js
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tantek huh, didn't run the JS
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petermolnar inline js
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petermolnar the / is one single html which is 1680.11KB
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+178) "Related Articles: Maybe we could tone down the JavaScript" (view diff)
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tantek didn't run inline js either
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tantek what, Amazon owns .book ?!?
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tantek http://thebaffler.com/blog/gentrifying-web
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voxpelli just noticed that the images from past IWC:s on the front page don't show any of the ones from 2015
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petermolnar yep, that .book thing happened a while ago
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tantek voxpelli: please help fix it! They should all be there on /IWC
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voxpelli tantek: oh, I see, it's manually added
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aaronpk everything on the wiki is manual :)
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tantek voxpelli: nearly everything on the wiki is manual yes :)
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tantek unless aaronpk scripts something like /2015-created
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aaronpk even that is manual, I have to copy/paste the content in myself
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voxpelli there's 8 missing IWC:s there, perhaps remake that section into something more manageable?
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tantek voxpelli: funny thing about "more manageable" takes a lot of work to make something that takes less time managing than it would take to just do the manual work
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tantek there's some flaw about automation like that that I think I first heard described by Douglas Adams
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voxpelli tantek: I was thinking of changing the presentation/content rather than trying to automate it ;)
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+640) "2015 exclusive TLDs" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: FB lets you choose an existing photo after the events been created, or at least used to. I always added photos as a second step after creating the event and it allowed me to select from albums.
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tantek huh ok
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+557) "Design homogeneity" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I'll add a screenshot
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tantek seriously up to *eight* different things people have meant by "Gentrification of the Web"
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gRegorLove I guess it's not part of the "create" UI, but the "edit" UI at that point
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tantek what is edit?
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Loqi An edit (AKA diff, change) is a special type of reply that indicates a set of suggested changes to the post it is replying to. A collection of (presumably related) suggested edits in open source is often called a patch or pull request https://indiewebcamp.com/edit
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gRegorLove You're referring to the "Event photo" banner at the top, correct?
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tantek yes
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gregorlove.com edited /edit (+358) "/* Facebook */ Facebook Events, img placeholder" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Facebook-edit-event-2016-03-07.png]]""
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gregorlove.com edited /create (+156) "/* Facebook Events */ link to /edit#Facebook_Events" (view diff)
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gRegorLove My recollection is that menu is basically the same when an event has no photo, without the "Reposition photo" or "Remove photo" options. I don't have an event sans photo to confirm though.
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tantek interesting, once you have created a post / comment, you cannot edit it in some ways, e.g. add a poll
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gRegorLove Changing the photo does create a status-type post in the event, too. People can comment and like it.
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tantek darn patterns
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tantek gRegorLove: yes - changing the photo creates an /edit post!
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tantek looks like polls are not editable!
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tantek s/polls/FB polls
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Loqi tantek meant to say: looks like FB polls are not editable!
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sknebel !tell alpower just remembered I made a list of CI providers recently, I found 3 ones that had unlimited builds for private repos: wercker.com, circleci.com, drone.io
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear sknebel - yep, CircleCI (my $dayjob) allows for any number of builds - we just queue them up for the free plans
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snarfed circleci++
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Loqi circleci has 1 karma
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gRegorLove What's CI?
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bear what is CI
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CI" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ft
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+844) "2010 App stores" (view diff)
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tantek ok I think I'm done with that subject for now
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bear CI is Continuous Integration - a style of release engineering that proposes that all changes to source code get immediately compiled and tested
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loqi.me created /CI (+170) "prompted by bear https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457374192795 and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek bear++
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Loqi bear has 108 karma
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bear you push code to github, github generates a webhook that says "hey, I have a code change", the CI system gets that info and then the code and runs the build
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bear CI SaaS are CircleCI, TravisCI, Jenkins, etc
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snarfed example: https://circleci.com/gh/snarfed/bridgy
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bear you can even use CircleCI as a way to get GHPages like behaviour from your static repos
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (-71) "desnarkify definition" (view diff)
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@indiewebcamp @mothersele @evucan curious, what do you mean by “gentrification of the web”? Documented 9 possible meanings: https://indiewebcamp.com/gentrification_of_the_web ^@t (twitter.com/_/status/706907966541156352)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+15) "Brighton!" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "WeeklyUpdates/2016-03-07" by Tantek https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=WeeklyUpdates/2016-03-07&diff=1120485&oldid=1120481
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tantek so comforting :)
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@RikMende @jonworth try the #indieweb approach (which in many ways you already do) https://indiewebcamp.com/principles #selfhosting… https://www.rmendes.net/2016/jonworth-try-the-indieweb-approach-which-in-many-ways-you (twitter.com/_/status/706920944753704961)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@jonworth try the #indieweb approach (which in many ways you already do) https://indiewebcamp.com/principles #selfhosting #ownyourdata #ownyourdomain but most of all use silo network to get" by Rick Mendes http://www.rmendes.net/2016/jonworth-try-the-indieweb-approach-which-in-many-ways-you
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Loqi [mention] Rick Mendes commented '@jonworth try the #indieweb approach (which in many ways you already do) https:/...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/principles (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/jonworth-try-the-indieweb-approach-which-in-many-ways-you)
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Loqi [mention] Rick Mendes commented '@jonworth try the #indieweb approach (which in many ways you already do) https:/...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/jonworth-try-the-indieweb-approach-which-in-many-ways-you)
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tantek alrighty then quadruplication!
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aaronpk haha wow
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aaronpk twitter, PuSH, 2 webmentions
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tantek One week til IWC MIT!!!
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@RikMende @jonworth the power of #indieweb is about focusing on your site without mandatory rejection of (ie: walled gardens… https://www.rmendes.net/2016/jonworth-the-power-of-indieweb-is-about-focusing-on-your (twitter.com/_/status/706923460803440640)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@jonworth the power of #indieweb is about focusing on your site without mandatory rejection of (ie: walled gardens, corporate networks, Medium or anywhere else where" by Rick Mendes http://www.rmendes.net/2016/jonworth-the-power-of-indieweb-is-about-focusing-on-your
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@RikMende @jonworth just to be clear: anything you syndicate to social networks using #indieweb will always lead back to your site (unlike FIA) (twitter.com/_/status/706929560911257600)
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tantek That's a very good point ^^^. POSSE > FIA
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aaronpk what is FIA?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FIA" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fu
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tantek what are instant articles?
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Loqi Instant Articles is Facebook's odd combination of RSS and certain restricted kinds of HTML that they will show with their custom browser https://indiewebcamp.com/Instant_Articles
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tantek FIA is [[Instant Articles]]
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loqi.me created /FIA (+29) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457380201340 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk aha
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tantek whoa DRM site-death: https://twitter.com/PenLlawen/status/706745653976809472
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@PenLlawen Nook is shutting down, but lucky users may get to keep some of their purchased books! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/04/barnes_and_noble_pulls_out_of_blighty/ [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/706745653976809472)
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gRegorLove Ouch. https://twitter.com/NOOK_Care/status/512314296467218432
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@NOOK_Care @steve_in_ms We’re sorry, but the ability to sideload NOOK purchased content has been discontinued. We apologize for any inconvenience (twitter.com/_/status/512314296467218432)
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gRegorLove I was about to say at least it's ePub and Adobe DRM so you could load your books onto other devices, but apparently not according to that ^ (found on Wikipedia)
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gRegorLove drm-- regardless
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Loqi drm has -2 karma
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Loqi [indieweb] "I splitted some RSS feeds sources from @inoreader to https://woodwind.xyz" by Rick Mendes http://www.rmendes.net/2016/i-splitted-some-rss-feeds-sources-from-inoreader-to-now
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kylewm Oh man are there any other competitors even close to Kindle?
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kylewm I guess Apple
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voxpelli yeah, Apple: http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/7/11172318/apple-supreme-court-price-fixing-appeal
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snarfed kindle DRM is at least straightforward to strip (for personal archiving) from books you've bought
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/kindle#buy
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Amazon Kindle
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sknebel sony at least had nice readers (no clue if still active)
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sknebel some even ran android
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tantek !tell sandro,rhiaro,aaronpk,ben_thatmustbeme Looks like IWC MIT needs some wikifying love (e.g. /2016/MIT/Schedule is missing, other pages too) Can you help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do ? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove That headline is kinda misleading. It's not Nook as a whole shutting down. But the future doesn't look good for Nook as a whole.
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gRegorLove s/headline/tweet/
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: That tweet is kinda misleading. It's not Nook as a whole shutting down. But the future doesn't look good for Nook as a whole.
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gRegorLove snarfed: Didn't know Kindle could load epub. Do you need to convert to mobi first?
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snarfed gRegorLove: afaik yes
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gRegorLove Made a couple php-mf2 pull requests: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/85 and https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/86
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aaronpk gRegorLove++
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 48 minutes ago: Looks like IWC MIT needs some wikifying love (e.g. /2016/MIT/Schedule is missing, other pages too) Can you help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457383068824
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Loqi gRegorLove has 53 karma
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snarfed re js;dr and google searchability: https://plus.google.com/+JohnMueller/posts/LT4fU7kFB8W