julien51tantek: â€œironic that julien51 claims there's an RSS/Atom community, but provides no URL to any evidence thereof.â€ Please, Tantek, stop. I (we) get it: you donâ€™t like RSS feeds and thatâ€™s ok. Do we need a â€˜URLâ€™ to have a community? I understand you donâ€™t like feeds, but the world is vast enough that you can work on things you care about without dismissing other peopleâ€™s work. There *are* a lot of people working on RSS relat
julien51things, and they donâ€™t need to *show you* their work to exist. Also, â€œpreferring XML is preferring machines over humansâ€ repalce with HTML and itâ€™s the same! As far as I know, no one reads XML at breakfast and no one reads HTML either. In both cases youâ€™re reading a representation of it, whether itâ€™s in a browser, a web app or some other tool. And yes, I agree that browsers do a really bad job at showing RSS/Atom content.
julien51That being said Iâ€™m so happy that this discussion is happening for the indieWeb people. RSS/Atom are not a decent level of usability, hackability, â€¦ etc. We need to do better and more importantly we need to make sure we donâ€™t dismiss the work that has already been built to achieve a place where the situation is more satisafying: â€œbuilding in shoulderâ€™s giantsâ€ as they say. â€œFollowing/subscribingâ€ needs to have a meaning i
tommorris"Philosophers get attention only when they appear to be doing something sinisterâ€”corrupting the youth, undermining the foundations of civilization, sneering at all we hold dear. The rest of the time everybody assumes that they are hard at work somewhere down in the sub-basement, keeping those foundations in good repair. Nobody much cares what brand of
barnabywaltersjulien51: I have a PuSH 0.4 question â€” for both my reader and anti-spam tool, Iâ€™m going to want to subscribe both to RSS/ATOM feeds and to HTML content. obviously superfeedr can do both of these. should I hard-code everything against superfeedr, or look up hubs and subscribe to each hub, treating superfeedr as a special case fallback for when there is no hub?
julien51the only notable difference (and I was about to update the Wiki for this), is that the publisher is responsible for telling the subscriber which resource it should subscribe to, thru a rel=â€œselfâ€ link (or a Link header)
barnabywaltersso, Iâ€™m still a little unclear about what this means for publishers. is the following correct? I am a publisher, publishing http://waterpigs.co.uk/ which is a HTML page with h-entries on it. I know that the hub I publish to allows for HTML fragment subscription.
barnabywaltersokay, that makes sense â€” and if Iâ€™m a subscriber who wants to subscribe to #.h-entry updates no matter what, in the first case I subscribe using the given hub, and in the second case I either fall back to using superfeedr (if I donâ€™t want to filter myself) or subscribe using their given hub and do filtering myself if I care more about getting real-time updates
kylewmjulien51: re: my Atom->email workflow. When I get a new mention, it shows up in a PuSH (I think) Atom feed... I was trying to get an email notification in response to that change. The problem may have been that my feed was broken, as you pointed out. Will have to test more
ben_thatmustbemeBasically what I was thinking is some method to extend h-cards with personal info like phone number and e-mail that I don't want publicly viewed, but which I want to give others that I have OKed access to. So something like adding ?auth=<sometoken>
tantekben_thatmustbeme: I totally sympathize with the "phenomenally depressing when I'm like a day in to my own site, but yes. I want to do this thing completely and learn every piece as I go" - we can help with that :)
gRegor`Flickr, Instagram, or whatever other photo apps one may like . . . seem to work fine. Why does Twitter need their own? Why'd they have to make it so difficult to view those others on Twitter? Used to work fine...
gRegor`Maybe I'm just set in my ways. I fell in love with Twitter because it was like group chat with all my friends, plus anyone else on the internet that wanted to join. And I largely use it the same way. So these additional features are just things for me to turn off. :)
tantekKartikPrabhu - no I don't but if you want to note any specific issues / topics that we should capture on the wiki, feel free to bring them up. I'd prefer to focus on discussing/debating issues rather than the sources thereof (citations are good of course, but labeling something as someone's personal issue is not)
aaronpkso, the answer to your question is, yes there is a real h-entry in the wild that has no url or uid, it's here http://aaronparecki.com/mentions (I can't send you a link to it obviously cause it has no link)
aaronpkif there is a "problem" with an h-entry, it needs to make a decision on how to handle it. I want it to be useful for people to know what is wrong with the feed rather than silently ignoring failures
caseorga_Alex Linkster is here in portland working on something related to the moon is a harsh mistress and implementing it on his site as a trinary node structure with certain cells connected to other cells
bretyou trigger on some kind of new content event (like a new post or an edit) to send a webhook or webmention to the atom gateway. this parses your h-feed and generates the updated atom feed. when that is ready, ping the pubsubhubbub hub
kylewmneed a little advice from real web developers...i want to add a background queue for processing webmentions, sending stuff to syndication, etc. outside of the regular request/reply flow (Python/Flask). google is pointing me to Celery + Redis but seems like that's overkill?