IndieWeb Ring; Users Group was a session at IndieWeb Summit 2018.
Notes archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/webring
IndieWeb Summit 2018
Session: IndieWeb Ring; Users Group
When: 2018-06-26 16:45
- dougbeal (facilitator)
- gRegor Morrill
- Marty McGuire
- Jared W
- Greg McVerry
- Jean MacDonald
- Jon Hayes
- Lillian Karabaic
What is a web ring?
- dougbeal: a series of links between web pages that take you around in a loop
- gRegor: used one on geocities. was centralized, so you'd sign up and they would give you a snipped to put on your site
- jgmac1106: did the hashtag replace the web ring?
- dori: a hashtag takes you to a post, not a person
- macgenie: the one-a-time nature leads to a different kind of discovery
We link to https://hotlinewebring.club/
- gRegor: this one is pretty new, 2016 or 17
Lillian Karabaic: webrings.org was bought by Yahoo and it broke their management tools. Yahoo required webrings to have a Yahoo account to be the "ringmaster", and it gave admin rights to the first person with a Yahoo account that logged in! Several webrings died because the original admins couldn't get them back.
- owner of the site eventually got it back, too late.
- "Yahoo killed webring ringmasters. Don't be Yahoo."
- random buttons
- breaking the ring (by not putting the links on your site) got you booted
- the ringmaster was really in control of which sites were in the ring, what orders they go in.
- anomalily maintained a pretty-boys-in-bands web ring. also part of a "i didn't go to prom" web ring, which was really interesting to flip through.
- its very discovery-oriented, like blogrolls.
- search killed this kind of discovery because it became so much easier to find things.
- but now google controls what we see with their algorithms. bringing back things like web rings would give us control over our journeys through the web.
- this could also be used for bad things, of course. "web ring of people who pirate TV shows"
Dori: usually an affinity group
- are we setting up a webring here?
- or developing some indieweb protocols?
- making webrings cool again is probably very different from making them work on top of IndieWeb building blocks
macgenie / anomalily: web rings are a fun hole to spend time in. a kind of alternative to the dopamine refreshing for new posts on facebook.
- micro.blog has micro monday - long post recommending one new person to follow, in opposition to "follow friday" which is are scattershot posts full of names with no reasons why they're interesting.
anomalily: being part of an affinity network outside of google could help define/engage with audience who reads her site.
- has a "part of the indieweb" in the footer of her site. would rather have that be links to other people.
sidebar on web counters. and whether they're accurate.
- other suspected shady "realtime" info
jgmac1106 is looking for webrings in the wild and only finding archives.
- found an old WP Camp Webring plugin https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-camp-webring/ (updating 5 years ago)
- it has a hardcoded list of URLs in it https://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/wp-camp-webring/trunk/wp-camp-webring.php
- it was "a webring of people who attend the wpcamp in germany. Like it's 1997."
gRegor pulls up the story of tilde.club, a throwback to 80s/90s-style web hosting on unix systems.