Displaying Responses was a session at IndieWebCamp Berlin 2018.
IndieWebCamp Berlin 2018
Session: Displaying Responses
When: 2018-11-03 15:05
- Tantek Çelik
- Sebastiaan Andeweg
- David Shanske
- Marty McGuire
- Calum Ryan
- Kirill Kovalesky
- David Rosson
- Sebastian Lasse
- jgregorymcverry.com (remote)
- ... add names
- general challenge Tantek ran into: nonsense comments on his tweets. These get send to his site via Bridgy.
- also liking and retweeting by people with offensive profile pictures
- if you are showing comments and other content by other people on your site, you might be hosting content you don't want on your site
- Twitter seems to hide comments now, if they are marked / identified as offensive
- tantek tries to find spam, but can't really, tries to find historic abuse via webmention.io
- Marty finds: https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/25/162422/
- which is a reply on tantek's post, which mentions Marty (and GWG)
- If I leave native comment on muy Known site I get collbered with spam but not with webmentions (yet?)
- I want to add some metrics to avatars like: https://webmentionavatar.glitch.me/ this was my idea for second degree, the counts of how often they have interacted with my domain
Turn off "Start The SEO Framework" plugin if you have it - it will fill your tweets with giant images of your avatar
- it made tantek consider not showing responses from Twitter at all
- can't display comments of any kind without moderation / spam filtering
- Greg wants full webmention moderation on 100% of display VOUCH could reduce the number of manual moderation by automating accept list urls
- Tantek notes VOUCH is a "secondary degree of trust" rather than "web of trust"
- Marty notes that vouch traditionally is an introduction, a handshake
- Tantek notes we are talking about three groups, people I trust, people that people I trust follow, everybody else
- Kind of like Google+ and their circles (they are getting rid of it and closing down)
The way of getting rid of uninvited annoying people on your party: first block the intruders, then talk with your friend who brought them. The second step can't be automated, it's a social process.
- I want to lock my door as first step, make you ring the bell,
- the point of voice is to model this part of the social process, as a social process.
accept list, second degree of accept list, all others
Maybe different display strategies on each?
1. accept list:
- icon, name, summary
2. second degree:
- icon and name, but no content?
3. all others
- summarize in a count
4. blocked or muted
- show nothing
Hiding / Lack of content is a good way to slow down debate and maybe make it more rational and less reactive.