2019/SF/indienext
Beyond HTTP was a session at IndieWebCamp SF 2019.
Notes archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/indienext
IndieWebCamp SF 2019
Session: Indienext
When: 2019-12-07 11:40
Participants
Jacky Alciné (session facilitator)Dietrich Ayala
gRegor Morrill (remote)- Add yourself here… (see this for more details)
Notes
- Indienext
- Beyond HTTP
- how to bridge some of these
- what can we learn from Secure Scuttlebutt, and projects like that
- people can just start by installing an app
- that's what it boils down to
- install, and you're already in
- next, where do you go to find people
- in SSB, the first people you meet are your bias
- how do we do heterogenous discovery
- how not to only be a giant recommendation engine
- SSB focus is not on heavy social interactions
- but more about bringing it into places where it doesn't work
- people could connect in the same room even without internet
- the network replicated
- concern: if i can't see what i'm replicating, what if i'm replicating bad stuff?
- storage - i'm storing other people's stuff
- indieweb assumes an online-ness
- ssb assumes no-internet at the start
- which means you're in control
- how to fold that into indieweb context
- how to find and follow people
- goal - how to interface w/ ssb while still on the indieweb
- eg: hub that pulls news from wikipedia and posts to ssb so the conversation can happen there
- darius kazemi
- bot that takes rss and pushes to activitypub
- that's an angle
- microsub - would love to see active news in the way it's on twitter
- want to see reactions from that platform
- be able to see traction/activity/statistics
- ActivityPub space - people building bridges
- twitter, instagram, newsletter
- gRegor's goal - get off facebook by new year
- been archiving posts
- want to give family a way
- they're not going to set up a reader
- one-time password
- roll my own newsletter
- i have things everywhere
- want to just have one firehose feed
- fb groups are the hardest
- fb groups for events and activism
- ease of joining
- i just want things to work
- easy for the racists to organize too
- whatsapp groups
- subscriptions
- can be passive or active
- subscription vs follow
- follow is a publicly broadcasted event
- subscription is a private event between you and author (sometimes)
- agenda here - how to begin to make actual groups
- ssb - hashtag as channel
- propagates further that way
- activitypub - can use hashtags
- that's how i use mastodon
- follow hashtag, eg new york
- sex workers moved to mastodon from twitter, use that for location
- how to make groups
- how are they defined
- how to discover groups
- indiewebonline
- can see who's a member of a group
- if you webmention to a page, it shows you
- it's not a group per se
- groups have baggage - moderation, etc
- that's not the case here
- do i have to have it on my site?
- can we have indiegroups - some external service?
- groups are incentive to come back
- hey look what i made
- i can't throw it out to the ether and that's cool
- but with a group i know i'll get more directed feedback/interaction
- biggest takeaway: need to make groups work on indieweb
- bridging dat to indieweb
- super hard
- wrote something that pushes out to dat
- shows replies
- needs to work without http
- boom you just crossed the line
- lots of challenges for interoping http with non-http systems
- archive.org
- with Dat, have local copy
- sidenote: trust, where does it come from
- icann video - alternatives to dns
- replace gltds
- ens
- the b word
- groups
- friendlier than hashtags
- food to me isn't food to another
- people in interested like minded topics
- meta: in this conversation, a broad topic (beyond http) narrowed the fov to a single use-case (fb groups replacement)
- rel=payment
- this is how they got ninja over to mixer
- game streamer with huge following
- ms bought him out to get him to mixer
- wordpress guy is shutting us down for group photo
- This meeting has been terminated by host