2020/East/spreadingindieweb
Spreading the IndieWeb Beyond Developers was a session at IndieWebCamp East 2020.
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IndieWebCamp East 2020
Session: Spreading the IndieWeb Beyond Developers
When: 2020-11-14 13:50 PM Eastern
Proposal
- Tracy Durnell (facilitator)
- How can the IndieWeb spread to non-technical people / non-developers?
- How can we diversify the kinds of people who participate in the Indie Web? Who might be interested?
- What's been done in the past?
- Using social marketing practices as a way to figure out barriers and messages that might resonate with folks who blog and have their own sites already
This relates to the earlier discussion of Generations https://indieweb.org/generations - which is well worth updating
- Interested:
- +1 Ian
- +1 Template:gyuri That's the point of going WebNative you can have your data and share it without spinning up a server
- +1 hibs
- +1 Chris Aldrich
- +1 Kevin Marks
- +1 Peter Molnar (remark: this is a BROAD topic)
- +1 Dmitri Shuralyov
- +1 Angelo Gladding
Participants
- Tracy Durnell (facilitator)
- hibs
- Template:raphael
- Angelo Gladding
- Peter Molnar
- Calum Ryan
- Chris Aldrich
- Template:h0p3
- Template:jaenis.ch
- Johannes Ernst
- Steve Williams
- Template:Gyuri
- Caroline Kuhn
- dmitri.shuralyov.com
- Simon Willison
- Hamish Campbell
- F.Weil
- Template:Maxwell
- Template:saunders
- Tantek Γelik
Notes
Template:Gyuri Notes
raphael
hard to take people get their own domain is difficult but for a group that would be That way looked at
peter molnar one of the first websites I really liked was from a young woman called Anna (no indieweb connection), back in the days of whimsical web 1.0 1998-ish?); she even tinkered with it, but then her interest - and her site - vanished before the web 2.0 wave - never got an answer, why which leads to : why do or don't people have website? showcase? tinkering? hobby? etc. instead of approaching from the "let's get more (.*) on indieweb" try to look at why they have or why they do not have a site what they want to achieve and help them (or us) see the connections to the indieweb
not groups why do they have a website if not why not
Tracy
intent change perspective how they use the web
Sarah
based from the creative field not blog media presentation fan fiction disappears more authors fan fiction musicians group has to online presence
few services plug and play services to make it easy to make an indie web presence Indie Web as a service micro.blog (great value for money gyuri) service disappearing
leaving the indie web (and the indieweb wiki itself) because it is too hard (see one of the most recent https://kevq.uk/removing-support-for-the-indieweb/ ) * too technical
Caroline Kuhn
- How hard is it to ask questions?
too many questions my intention open and particapitory tools gives agency needed for young people students fancy sexy tools out there do think make this space friendly but challenging too transformation happens will they manage the wiki how to make all this you're biased, Chris walking version of this Chris people like me not techie more friendly comfortable coming in
came at it with little technical knowledge write down your thoughts and feelings make it a list many of us will look for that document where the problems are
tough part once you know hard to remember how it was when you did not know define what that thing is
web mention and back feed blows right over you head
leaving the indie web
he is still indie web has his domain how can you drag it down to web mentions on Twitter you can @at mention accross services
I have a site
create a reverse indiewebify.me "questionarie": I want to ...
- cross-post to Facebook -> POSSE
- save my instagram on my wordpress -> PESOS
- etc
we could ask these questions what would you like to do
never asked anybody what you want to do creep on people you knew mastodon more exciting they list servers by topic like Linux trying to figure out how to foster communities of interests but what interactions would be cool to have
Tracy bring yourself into those conversation discoverability how the web is all about connecting people
angelo is it ok if a billion people posting to sites nobody knows about indieweb website intentions publishing with varying privacy everybody is publishing on their own sites
that's all they can handle Are we talling about them?
Chris definitely considering them i
Petrer Molnar - wordpress had pingbacks for over a decade -> people have no idea it's there, and, unless they disable it they will ping other sites automatically
Tried and failed angelo because of spam -> pingback is indeed very prone to spam; webmention was designed to be a bit more resilient by default, plus there is /Vouch
Everybody want things just to work
Gyuri talking about web3 (Gyuri, could you please link the relevant sources, pages, etc? ) sure also:
browser-as-server has been tried a long, long time ago, and sadly, it failed in that iteration: - https://dev.opera.com/blog/taking-the-web-into-our-own-hands/
bring the problem into the classroom facial recognition gender, race I put that first there show them what's happening open web assignment is turn it in in the LMS I dislike it but I am trapped there write a blog post instead of an essay issue related to technology and education impact evaluation comments and a reflecting piece wordpress.com (?) you have your own(ish) domain that is what I can handle publishing their blog posts how do I do in my wordpress their blog posts can be mine so a lot of code subscribe to my blog and leave acomment with a link to your web site last semester asked them to write w wikipedia aricle on women in fashion bangladesh building women in read project angry why do I have to write into the wiki it did go a little bit wrong you need to be bold to do these things do soemehing for the web socially what can I put things into the next iteration
show and tell
Maxwell
principles for life find the other
bring people to the web conversation is a sacrament
find my root user
person page for her
a lto of conversations she has stasrted up her own wiki we converse cross our wikis
a Hyperconversation
A conversation explicit referntial linking to a hyper object something that you cannot enclose one of my goals is to unify our identities in a single object and have conversations not only from our sites
we do not need webmention
read her work need lots of tools I can import objects into her sites search with filter expressions chat logs link from those chatlogs people can join the conversation an opportunity not just engage in the conversation walk around the web and contact people and hashes
I point them to this object lots of ways to reach it and reach me have to use lot's of tools torami network? beaker browser hyperspace see torrents with each other we literalyy own the web together 2 or 3 join
caroline
this wonerfull web page 20 students joining the conversation need a lot of knowledge
angelo
root user not able to edit it want others to engage
caroline
home school my children stasrted using tiddly wiki
it is difficult for people to own their data and the tools
maybe again fish lives in the water
teach the people to own their tools of production
caroline
I think it is
this is just a wiki
I haven't set up my infrastructure
so how do you have conversation
they speak from their sites
go to their site and read what they have written
and copy portions back
you are moving manually text
it is not an organic conversation
Tracy we are at time
Tracy big picture notes (written after the session):
"moving the venue" where people do things online -- everybody's publishing, just on different platforms perspective people have about what their goal is for their website different things draw people to the Indie Web -- control of data, -- and they face different barriers based on their interest, although the technical challenge is faced by all invitation to engage with some level of challenge? use welcoming non-technical language, use one-on-one connections to get people using tools don't be tied to the name "indie web" but how it works -- engage with other movements pulling the web away from technical requirements conversations in public can draw others in
h0p3 notes
https://philosopher.life/#2020.11.14%20-%20Indieweb%3A%20East%20Webcamp