#indiewebcamp 2014-08-12

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finchd top of the "worst customer service" list 5 years running
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tantek.com created /webhost (+25) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Comcast (+895) "stub with info from cuibonobo from IRC" (view diff)
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tantek finchd - interesting, could you add that (especially if you have citations) to http://indiewebcamp.com/Comcast ?
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tantek perhaps add a new "Criticism" section with details
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finchd tantek: afraid my participation will have to wait. looks like I need a domain and indieauth? Hopefully I can start next week after classes are out :p
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tantek finchd - yes! go get a domain for sure!
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tantek lots of people here will gladly help with setup questions
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tantek Homebrew Website Club this week!
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-13-homebrew-website-club
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@benwerd @kyle_wm Ahhh, an #indieweb tradition. (twitter.com/_/status/498995592471670784)
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tantek hahah
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tantek apparently this Wednesday is also the 9th birthday of Barcamp
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KevinMarks_ re sparklines: https://twitter.com/EdwardTufte/status/389717292621119489
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@EdwardTufte @kevinmarks ~says "Now we have insanely high dpi screens, everything in books now works." [And ET says "smartest thing said about my work."] (twitter.com/_/status/389717292621119489)
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tantek KevinMarks++ you win :)
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Loqi KevinMarks has 45 karma
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tantek where was your original tweet KevinMarks ?
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/389620524134830081
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@kevinmarks @EdwardTufte now we have these insanely high dpi screens, everything in your first book works again (twitter.com/_/status/389620524134830081)
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KevinMarks_ Seriously, The hairlines and stuff from Visual Display of Quantitative Information is begging to be done in SVG
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KevinMarks_ has anyone done text size changes based on upvote/downvote replies (twitter does a bit in personal timelines)
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KevinMarks_ that and high dpi screens could be fun.
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tantek KevinMarks: sure. take any (even SVG) image and put it in the sparkline template :)
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KevinMarks_ em-based layouts and sparklines are a natural fit
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KevinMarks_ or am I supposed to use rem now?
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KevinMarks_ previously in cloning Tufte's first book: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kevinmarks/slopegraph/master/slopegraph.html
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ : em for text IMO
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KevinMarks_ needs to be a bit smarter about colliding labels
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kylewm.com edited /chicken (+752) "add detail for this stub" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ : also for music sparklines see The Session eg: http://thesession.org/members/1659 and adactio's post http://adactio.com/journal/5941/ :)
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KevinMarks_ http://kryogenix.org/days/2012/12/30/simple-svg-sparklines/ is very enat
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KevinMarks_ s/enat/neat/
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Loqi KevinMarks_ meant to say: http://kryogenix.org/days/2012/12/30/simple-svg-sparklines/ is very neat
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@kyle_wm @mattl Wow! Welcome to the inner circle!! I added you to http://indiewebcamp.com/chicken :) (twitter.com/_/status/499011952098545664)
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KartikPrabhu I have been musing about sparklines to show how much I post in some tag/category
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mattl.us created /User:Mattl.us (+677) "Created page with "I'm Matt Lee, one of the folks behind behind Foo Communications, a company/experiment in music and social media, including Libre.fm, a new social media platform that offers music..."" (view diff)
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tantek welcome mattl!
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tantek add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people too!
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mattl.us uploaded /File:mattl.jpg "CC-BY-SA."
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mattl.us edited /User:Mattl.us (+37) (view diff)
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tantek hmm - perhaps we need to update the upload page to make the license hardcoded to CC0 - since everything on the wiki already requires it?
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KartikPrabhu and make it conspicuous so people don't upload anything they don't want to be CC0
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tantek yes
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mattl CC0 is fine with me i guess ;)
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KartikPrabhu mattl: mattl.us gives a 404
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mattl KartikPrabhu: it does?
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mattl what does the domain resolve to?
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KartikPrabhu it redirects to http://foocorp.org/projects/social/ which then 404s i guess
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tantek fascinating that it worked with IndieAuth then
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mattl oh, huh... www.mattl.us does that
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mattl let me fix that.
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mattl KartikPrabhu: try now? http://www.mattl.us/?
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KartikPrabhu works
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mattl did i mistype it as www.mattl.us somewhere, or did you just type that?
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tantek oh dear we now have 3 people posting chicken posts
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KartikPrabhu mattl: I just used the thing in your User page on the wiki, assuming that was the domain name
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tantek goes to get dinner
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mattl tantek: did we make you hungry?
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techlifeweb WordPress users...I think I understand, and have set up correctly, doing replies from my site. But how can I do that and not have the post that gets created as part of the public list of post and RSS feed?
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+0) "typo" (view diff)
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@olivergierke RT @cbeams: Why I Host From Home: http://chris.beams.io/18992688/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/499061004421312513)
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snarfed techlifeweb: one way is to assign replies a category or tag, then exclude that from your front page and feed with http://wordpress.org/plugins/ultimate-category-excluder/
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KartikPrabhu techlifeweb: snarfed: is it not possible to exclude by post-type or something?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: sure, there are plugins that do that too
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techlifeweb snarfed: KartikPrabhu: thanks. Looks like what I was looking for.
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@envisionitnm @zaftigbabe Let us know if you need help getting a site up. We've done a few indieweb bookstore sites for folks in NM. (twitter.com/_/status/499192467577905152)
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aaronpk quiet night
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning
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barnabywalters morning
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aaronpk b 21
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk morning
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ben_thatmustbeme hit and sunk my battleship
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 5 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme so perhaps someone can point me at the best direction for this. I want to set it up so people can use indieauth to log in to my site. I can use indieauth.com to do that as I remember correct?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: yes. see: https://indieauth.com/developers
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ben_thatmustbeme everything i'm finding is just setting up my rel=me links so i can log in, or setting up to authorize posting
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk++ just what i was looking for
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Loqi aaronpk has 527 karma
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jonnybarnes ben_thatmustbeme: I believe so, but they'll need rel=me links on their site
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jonnybarnes can Loqi tell me how much karma I have?
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, but i forget how
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aaronpk !karma jonnybarnes
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Loqi jonnybarnes has 2 karma
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jonnybarnes (I know its something like 2, not 527!!
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, i feel foolish. I missed that top bar completely on indieauth.com I was looking all over the page below the title for that link
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk kind of makes a good case against top nav
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aaronpk actually I should probably add a section in the middle next to "How to set up indieauth" for developers
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aaronpk like instead of the "community" block
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ben_thatmustbeme that would be good, i feel like thats one of the nicest features.
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm going to start work soon on friending other indieweb sites, and grouping them to give access to personal contact info.
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aaronpk sweet!
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ben_thatmustbeme i.e. login and you can view my phone number if you were given permissions for that, etc
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aaronpk yeah very cool!
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aralbalkan.com edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (+254) "/* Creators */ Added myself to the attendees." (view diff)
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aaronpk oh wonderful! aral RSVPd on the wiki!
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barnabywalters yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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barnabywalters we really need to push IWC UK a bit more now it’s getting close
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aaronpk it's very close, didn't realize
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aralbalkan.com edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (+67) "/* Creators */ Minor clarification" (view diff)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: you and caseorganic will be missed :(
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aaronpk indeed
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aaronpk sorry to not be able to make it out this time
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barnabywalters aaronpk: no worries :)
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jonnybarnes gah I can't sign a tag with git, stupid using latest software
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@aral So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List#Creators (twitter.com/_/status/499216588416233472)
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@BarnabyWalters RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499216802581610496)
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aaronpk what really?
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/aral/status/499216792246837248
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@aral …Just signed up and really looking forward to hopefully attending but will have to drop out if that doesn’t change. (twitter.com/_/status/499216792246837248)
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@Miss_Hunting RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499216984194949120)
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barnabywalters the scare quotes might be a little over the top, but I agree with his message. IWC UK isn’t very diverse
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aaronpk did you see his followup?
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barnabywalters and personally I have no idea how to fix that
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@emmajanehw @aral I don’t really understand from that site why I’d want to come. Maybe that’s part of it? Mostly an insider’s club ATM? @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499217369114611713)
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aaronpk well today should be interesting
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@aral @emmajanehw Common criticism (one that I’ve made myself and that I’ve heard from others at @indiewebcamp)—how do you suggest they improve? (twitter.com/_/status/499217886846930944)
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barnabywalters hopefully we can get some good feedback/data on how the wiki homepage and 2014/UK pages come across, and make improvements
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@aral @emmajanehw (And thanks for your feedback, I’m sure the organisers will appreciate it.) +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218028362727424)
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@emmajanehw @aral BarCamps are *intensely* difficult to promote to an outsider as they’re generally about the ppl. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218433788362753)
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@aral RT @fruitingbodies: Reach out to the folk at @SheSaysBrighton or @300SecondsBTN for some suggestions perhaps? +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218545335885824)
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@emmajanehw @aral Currently the top level page talks about the “what” but not the “who”. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218683945037824)
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@aral RT @emmajanehw: @aral BarCamps are *intensely* difficult to promote to an outsider as they’re generally about the ppl. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218772902019073)
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@Digiterium RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499218783035461632)
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@aral RT @emmajanehw: @aral Currently the top level page talks about the “what” but not the “who”. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218789339500544)
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@aaronpk @aral It's worth noting we had a much better balance at @indiewebcamp Portland http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/30/1/indiewebcamp Definitely... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/12/1/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218868070383616)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/12/1/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@aral @emmajanehw Good call — so focus on the people. Focus on the importance inclusivity/diversity… make it a primary element? +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218897430908928)
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aaronpk ARGH UTF8
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@emmajanehw @aral The categories are foreign to me. I don’t really understand what a Creator vs. a Blogger vs. an Apprentice is. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219006319259648)
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@BarnabyWalters @aral @emmajanehw I personally am disappointed with the lack of diversity at Indiewebcamp UK but have… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4X_Fg2/ (twitter.com/_/status/499219036337881088)
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@aral RT @aaronpk: @aral It's worth noting we had a much better balance at @indiewebcamp Portland http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/30/1/indiewebcamp Definitely... http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/499219056466341888)
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@brandalisms RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499219100477161474)
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@aral @aaronpk That’s great to see/hear. What can we do to make the Brighton one better? Some good responses coming in :) +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219135705120768)
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@laurakalbag @aral I want to sign up, but I don’t want to put links to my social networks on my homepage. So I’m a bit stuck… @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219224322404353)
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@emmajanehw @aral So I looked for something which looked like “me”, or described “me”, but I just found it to be about a diff community. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219226499219457)
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@aral @emmajanehw I’ve found the stratification to be a huge barrier of entry (literally). Made @laurakalbag not go to first one.+@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219293620686848)
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@SEOTipsnTricks RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499219297718501376)
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@aral RT @laurakalbag: @aral I want to sign up, but I don’t want to put links to my social networks on my homepage. So I’m a bit stuck… @indieweb… (twitter.com/_/status/499219325166034944)
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@emmajanehw @aral Currently authoring a book on Git, and working as a Technical PM. This doesn’t fit into any of the cats. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219367683694592)
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@aaronpk @emmajanehw @aral This is helpful feedback. Thanks! /cc @indiewebcamp (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/12/2/indiewebcamp) (twitter.com/_/status/499219451355463680)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/12/2/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@emmajanehw @aaronpk yw :) @aral @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219521258127361)
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@laurakalbag @aral actually. I should have read the instructions. I can use quiet <link rel= in the <head> :) @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219533740384256)
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@aral RT @laurakalbag: @aral actually. I should have read the instructions. I can use quiet <link rel= in the <head> :) @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219714170949632)
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@ShaneHudson @laurakalbag you really should come. I think if you sign up as a 'blogger' it gets around that restriction. @aral @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219781170769923)
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@emmajanehw @aral e.g. if there were a category for “owns more than a dozen domain names, all of which are just ideas” … ;) @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219879573340160)
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@laurakalbag @ShaneHudson I want to, and I’m a bloomin’ creator, so I’m jumping through the hurdles ;) @aral @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219887441842176)
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@aaronpk @laurakalbag @aral There's also a way to sign in with a GPG key if that's your thing ;-) https://t.co/ufdIFF7THn... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/12/3/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219891161796608)
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@ShaneHudson @laurakalbag heh. Well a link just to email would work too :) @aral @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499220055302082560)
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aaronpk omg this thread
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@emmajanehw @aral under “Apprentice” it also says I have to find someone to add me. How? Again: insider club feeling. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499220161187287041)
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@emmajanehw @aral I’ll stop now. ;) @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499220190971068417)
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@AmyStephen @aral It's so innovative it feels like you have to be really special and accomplished to attend. @emmajanehw @laurakalbag @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499220689543782401)
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@AmyStephen @aral Also, virtual participation could help build involvement IRL the next year for women. @emmajanehw @laurakalbag @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499220986269810688)
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@laurakalbag @ShaneHudson aw, just realised I can’t go (and neither can @aral) as it’s my parents’ 30th wedding anniversary party @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499221401568825344)
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@aral RT @anoemi: @aral have you met @mozzadrella? She's done some work specifically around participation at unconferences. :) +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499221711540457472)
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@aral RT @mozzadrella: @anoemi @aral Hi there. Here's a write up of my recommended course of action: http://mozzadrella.me/post/94478195501/how-to-design-a-conference-for-equity-and-learning +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499221910593757184)
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@aral @laurakalbag That’s on Sunday, though, right?+@ShaneHudson @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499221972614930433)
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@laurakalbag @ShaneHudson @aral @indiewebcamp though we could do the Sunday, if we’re not just going to be late to the party… (twitter.com/_/status/499221977148952577)
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@mozzadrella @aral @indiewebcamp nice to meet you--if I can help with language, design or activities, let's chat. (twitter.com/_/status/499222127875469312)
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@ShaneHudson @laurakalbag should be fine :) @aral @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499222155188785152)
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@carloz RT @aral: RT @mozzadrella: @anoemi @aral Hi there. Here's a write up of my recommended course of action: http://mozzadrella.me/post/94478195501/how-to-design-a-conference-for-equity-and-learning +@indiewebc… (twitter.com/_/status/499222208217350144)
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@aral @laurakalbag Oh, just saw, it’s Saturday — could have sworn it was on the Sunday when I signed up :(+@ShaneHudson @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499222210704576513)
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@aral @mozzadrella Excellent :) I’m not helping organise this one but I’m sure the folks at @indiewebcamp would be delighted to. (twitter.com/_/status/499222340363091968)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (+350) "add myself as remote participant" (view diff)
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@awoods Just realized I missed @indiewebcamp Portland. If you're near Brighton, UK, you should go in Sept 6th. Don't be like me. don't miss it! (twitter.com/_/status/499222971916226560)
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barnabywalters opinions on some sort of indicator on RSVP rows for saying “I’m looking for an apprentice”?
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barnabywalters it might make people feel more comfortable about asking
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aaronpk interesting idea
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barnabywalters currently rewording the apprentice instruction text
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (+31) "Reworded apprentice text as more positive, with clarified instructions" (view diff)
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aaronpk tommorris: adactio: have you guys sorted out sponsorship for IWCUK? I only see ClearLeft listed as a sponsor on the site right now
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adactio aaronpk: No sponsorship yet, but we don't really need any if everyone's happy nipping out to get their own lunch.
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barnabywalters adactio: if the food festival is on again, personally I insist on nipping out to get my own lunch :)
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aaronpk yeah lunch is usually the big cost
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aaronpk it's usually a good idea to have coffee on site though
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tommorris is a big fan of bagelman.co.uk ;-)
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aaronpk also it's been nice having a light breakfast
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4X_G2t/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (webmention)
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aaronpk anyway Esri can cover coffee in the morning if someone can coordinate it!
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@BarnabyWalters Want to come to @indiewebcampUK but not sure if you’re a “creator”? Say hello, I want to help! Eith… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4X_G2t/ (twitter.com/_/status/499224541215092736)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: lol your autolinker matched "co.uk" in your email address
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barnabywalters aaronpk: NO IT DIDN’T PROVE IT
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tommorris aaronpk: that'd be pretty cool. ;-)
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barnabywalters (yes, it’s bad. but I barely ever post email addresses, so meh)
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@Becky_Faith RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499225048641970176)
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aaronpk tommorris: if you find a coffee shop that can lend you a vaccuum pot I can reimburse you for it
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@aral @bouncingdan Done :) +@indiewebcamp (That should go to the IRC room also afaik.) (twitter.com/_/status/499225436585721857)
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barnabywalters https://twitter.com/bouncingdan/status/499225094053724161
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@bouncingdan @aral I can't go (+am all-white-male) but I look at that page and I don't really understand what it is and what category I'd sign up as. (twitter.com/_/status/499225094053724161)
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aaronpk so general feedback on the guest list page is that the categories are confusing people and/or making them apprehensive
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barnabywalters yep, it‘s not clear from the guest list page how the event works, or what the categories are
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aaronpk interesting side effect of splitting the guest list to its own page
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aaronpk probably need a better header on top
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barnabywalters maybe the categories are simply an unnecessary weirdness
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barnabywalters IME they never actually affect people’s participation in the event
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aaronpk I do find it odd that there isn't a clearly obvious way to get to the main event page from the guest list page
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barnabywalters they’re really only there to avoid trolls and spammers
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aaronpk barnabywalters: good point re: participation
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barnabywalters I wonder if people are looking at the categories and thinking that if they go as a “blogger” or whatever they’ll be treated differently
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barnabywalters maybe simply removing the names of the categories would be the best move
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barnabywalters and say there are three ways of RSVPing
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barnabywalters rather than implying that how you RSVP affects your participation in the event
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barnabywalters because really, that’s the truth
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aaronpk yeah that makes sense
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barnabywalters okay, I’ll take that as a founder-green-light to change the page :)
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk we can always make more changes later, it's a wiki after all
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tommorris always remember http://enwp.org/WP:BRD
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barnabywalters ugh mediawiki table syntax
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aaronpk heh, so bad
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gRegor` I like the idea of changing the participation levels somehow.
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gRegor` Discussed it a bit with tantek before /2014 and how the descriptions were a bit intimidating to my girlfriend Amanda.
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gRegor` http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-26#t1403799422000
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aaronpk so this is the main reason for the distinction http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-26/line/1403799649000
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@jkphl RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499228055119085568)
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gRegor` Yeah
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aaronpk so whatever changes we make need to keep that in mind
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adactio I think the categories on the page for signing up to Indie Web Camp is putting people off. And saying that it's to put off trolls and spammers feels like premature optimisation. If a simplified sign-up page results in trolls showing up, I'll just kick 'em out. Done.
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aaronpk adactio: I hear you, but it's not quite premature optimisation, as demonstrated by many other events
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adactio aaronpk: but not this event. Past performance is no indicator of future behaviour in a different city in a different country.
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aaronpk fair
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barnabywalters we don’t need the categorisation to keep the anti-spam effect
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aaronpk I do think dropping the creator/apprentice distinction is a good start
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barnabywalters nor the descriptions
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aaronpk there is probably a better way of saying "if you have your own website come on in!"
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gRegor` Perhaps adding "writer" to creator would be good
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cuibonobo for what it's worth, i had come to interpret "creator" as someone that was making indieweb software platforms and/or libraries and sharing them with others
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aaronpk heh yeah I can see how it would look like that
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gRegor` Like kyle said, "i'm in favor of anything we can do to be more welcoming to writers, designers, artists etc." http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-26#t1403799911000
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aaronpk also an effect of the community maturing
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aaronpk at the beginning there weren't any indieweb platforms/libraries, so creator was less ambiguous
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gRegor` Perhaps the criteria could be more simple: domain owner, I-want-to-be-a-domain-owner. :)
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cuibonobo mhm
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aaronpk yeah, that is the end goal anyway
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aaronpk "I have my own website" "I want my own website"
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gRegor` I like that.
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cuibonobo yeah i think that's more useful and accomodating
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aaronpk that also filters out people who don't want their own website in a relatively friendly way
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gRegor` It's simple and doesn't have the subtleties that "creator" does
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/12/4/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (webmention)
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aaronpk (I really wish I could finally fix these stupid UTF8 errors on my site)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2014/UK/Guest_List () "(-783) re-worded to de-emphasise differences between categories, simplified to have a personal site/want a personal site" (view diff)
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barnabywalters ^^^^ made a bunch of changes, feedback/revisions appreciated
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@aaronpk @bouncingdan Would two categories "I have my own website" and "I want my own website" be clearer? /cc @aral ... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/08/12/4/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499230490281263104)
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@benwerd Getting lots of great feedback from this video, bringing #indieweb to #edtech. https://www.youtube.com/ Educators, we want to hear from you. (twitter.com/_/status/499232222994370560)
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kylewm barnabywalters++ on the guest list templates, keep going :)
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barnabywalters I suppose next step is to actually reorder all the people on the page
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kylewm like, unify Creators / Bloggers / Apprentices into one list of Guests
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barnabywalters time to BREAK DOWN SOME HIERARCHY
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barnabywalters flatten all the things
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barnabywalters at least the attendee templates make the syntaax bearable — who put those together?
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kylewm gRegornobacktick++
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kylewm (I think)
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gRegor` aaronpk: I thought you had fixed the UTF8 by specifying UTF-8 in the htmlentities() function and similar?
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aaronpk i sure thought so
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (-465) "flattened all the hierarchies — everyone’s in the same list now" (view diff)
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gRegor` Yeah, that was me.
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barnabywalters gRegornobacktick++
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aaronpk gRegor`: oh I wonder... maybe I live-patched it on the server and it never made it into the git repo
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gRegor` "you’re still very welcome!" is nice on the guest list
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gRegor` Sorta like Loqi's backtick regex. ;) jk
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk oh shit
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-24/line/1403635024000
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Loqi lolz
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aaronpk that's totally what happened
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: the actual email address linked in http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4X_G2t/ has a random uppercase Y in it
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: this is true. thanks, fixing!
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aaronpk hotfixes--
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aaronpk cowboycoding--
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aaronpk tantek is up. he just favorited one of my tweets from that thread ;)
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gRegor` hotfixes -> hotmesses
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barnabywalters aaronpk: either that or his Tantek-bot Topical Tweet Favouriting script is running
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gRegor` haha
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@emmajanehw @awolftune My point remains: a conference without a published *content* schedule is really difficult to promote. cc @aral @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499241095776456705)
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@emmajanehw @awolftune As far as I know, @indiewebcamp doesn’t use BarCamp. I’m an old dog, with old terms. Apologies. +@aral (twitter.com/_/status/499241412433805314)
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@kevinmarks @emmajanehw @awolftune @aral hm. @indiewebcamp has a clear goal - help you have your own website and learn from others already doing so (twitter.com/_/status/499241528674381824)
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barnabywalters perhaps linking to schedules from previous IWCs would help people to get a better idea of what participating is like?
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@emmajanehw @kevinmarks “goal” and “help” are not used in that context on home page or event summary page. cc @awolftune @aral @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499241961308835840)
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@kevinmarks @emmajanehw @awolftune @aral @indiewebcamp yep. Let's fix that. it is a wiki. See http://indiewebcamp.com/generations for thinking about how to broaden (twitter.com/_/status/499242194742419457)
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@awolftune @emmajanehw @aral @indiewebcamp I think "unconference" is good and in common use. Community Leadership Summit is an unconference… (twitter.com/_/status/499243030197841920)
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KevinMarks so should I add something to that effect to the IWC brighton page?
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@kevinmarks @fruitingbodies @aral @SheSaysBrighton @300SecondsBTN well, @hadleybeeman (300 seconds founder) was at last @indiewebcamp Brighton (twitter.com/_/status/499244267454218240)
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aaronpk KevinMarks: yeah that's a great idea
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme is #indiechat logged at all?
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: nope
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KevinMarks only by individuals
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aaronpk not publicly, only on peopel's computers
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (+93) "linked to main event page, added link to IWC 2013 for people curious about how the event is structured" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme should probably catch this chat up on the convo. For history's sake
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KevinMarks hm, being on the train using spotty shared mobile tethering is not a good way to edit the wiki
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aaronpk this is true
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barnabywalters okay I’m done making improvements to 2014/UK and ./Guest_List for the moment
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barnabywalters hopefully that addresses at least some of the feedback
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aaronpk thanks barnabywalters!!
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ben_thatmustbeme so the question is, should I be advertising #indiewebcamp to friends and other coders or not. I know you said you want to avoid the unproductive nonsense that comes from a larger group
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aaronpk its not necessarily the size that makes it unproductive
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm just worried if we do too much it will just be a flood of new people asking for help
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KevinMarks I'll wait until I'm somewhere more stable
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KevinMarks so, from indiechat - we don't want to keep the group small (except for venue restrictions)
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: yes yes yes please do evangelise indieweb to anyone you think is interested!
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barnabywalters we love helping new people!
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KevinMarks we do want to keep it focused on people practically building their own sites
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KevinMarks previously that DID mean coders
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KevinMarks now the tools are more mature it can be authors, bloggers etc.
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KevinMarks if known is accepting signups by then it could potentially be very broad
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KevinMarks I'm guessing it is a bit early for known
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ben_thatmustbeme that would be my first question though. Pointing people to a service where they can set up their own.
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barnabywalters switching locations, bbiab
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aaronpk so our /Getting_Started page is supposed to address this, but it is probably quite lacking at the moment
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ben_thatmustbeme I felt quite locked in when I tried to use Wordpress templates and plugins, but there really aren't that many easy to use options out there. (I am expecting big things from Known)
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@aral @300SecondsBTN @Rosaemerald @gemmahentsch @cherylgallaway @wendyarmstrong Thnx! :) Here’s the link :) http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499247069790732288)
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ben_thatmustbeme the getting_started is still more technical than many care to look at. Few people want to even know what microformats is. They just want the neat stuff thats on top
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aaronpk yes, it was written in like 2011 before there were any tools
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gRegor` This reminds me, I need to get back to work on my updates to /getting_started
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aaronpk please :)
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gRegor` This is what I have so far: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/Getting_Started
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gRegor` Making the headings all actions, like "get a personal domain" Moving some unnecessary extra stuff to later.
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gRegor` Like I don't think 'bonus: buy a short domain" should be in there.
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ben_thatmustbeme I like that, making all the titles calls to action
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gRegor` Added in direct links to indiewebify.me validators
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ben_thatmustbeme my hope is to have the microformats bit disappear as all the projects we would list already have microformats built in
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ben_thatmustbeme and ideally the authorship info would be part of that as well
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp! things seem pretty quiet this morning ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme they were just starting to pick up a little
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tantek reads backwards in the log
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tantek everyone here knows why "unconference" is a poor term, poor framing right?
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tantek and why "Barcamp" actually does work? (has only scaled worldwide to more cities than any other "conference" by any other name)
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aaronpk i'm not really interested in debating whether barcamp is a good term to use. also we don't really call this a barcamp anywhere.
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ben_thatmustbeme two reasons i can think of, one people like bars (though i don't since i don't drink) and two, its hard to define something as NOT something else
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: yes, that latter one in particular
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tantek it's the "don't think of an elephant" problem
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tantek framing 101
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ben_thatmustbeme unconferance could mean next to anything that isn't a conference.
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ben_thatmustbeme i use meetup when i explain it to some, but that makes it sound so much smaller
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: the irony is that most self-labeled "unconferences" are still conferences, and still *charge* admission
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tantek the term is quite polluted with a lot of negative behaviors
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tantek whereas "Barcamp" has actually fended off most of that kind of nonsense and kept its integrity
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tantek as of tomorrow, for 9 years
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tantek aaronpk - we've called IndieWebCamp a mix between a Barcamp and a Devcamp in places in the past
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tantek because those terms do have meanings to people and set certain positive creative-centric expectations
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tantek the method we use of intros, empty session grid, scheduling, note taking and capturing on the wiki - all of that is from Barcamp
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tantek we added the selfdogfood demos bit at the start (post-intro, pre-session-scheduling)
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tantek and the "what did you build" demos are very much from Devcamps
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aaronpk so it's definitely a unique combination of different aspects of paast events
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ben_thatmustbeme its the fact that i know IWC Cambridge is fast approaching is what has got me going to work again on openblog. I want to have something worth showing
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tantek it is. but it's still ~50% Barcamp, 40% Devcamp, ~10% new additions
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tantek if purely by what happens during what timeslots
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aaronpk sure. I just think it's fine to say "here's this thing, it looks like this" rather than saying ~50% Barcamp, 40% Devcamp
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tantek plus, LOTs of people have been to Barcamps
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tantek so saying "Barcamp-style" evokes plenty of expectations, description, framing
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tantek without having to say " it looks like this … (insert paragraph)"
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tantek what is what?
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tantek hmmm
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aaronpk anyway more productively, what do you think about the changes to the guest list? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List
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tantek aaronpk, barnabywalters looks great!
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barnabywalters tantek: thanks
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tantek The separate "Bloggers" category failed IMO in practice, despite being introduced this past April to attempt to appeal to the broader set of "just bloggers" in NYC and following IndieWebCamps.
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tantek Only ONE of the bloggers that we reached out to actually showed up at IndieWebCampNYC
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barnabywalters IMO like acknowledging bloggers as creators rather than making a new category is a positive change
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tantek ALL the other outspoken bloggers who wring their hands about the "web we lost" blah blah blah - none of the showed up. Or even responded.
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tantek They're big on complaining on their blogs, but put zero energy into being constructive. In any way. Whether showing up. Or offering resources / how-tos for going independent. Or anything.
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tantek The only person that did show up was Paul Ford (@ftrain)
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tantek s/person/blogger
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Loqi tantek meant to say: The only blogger that did show up was Paul Ford (@ftrain)
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tantek and that was after both IndieWebCamp organizers (myself and Jeremy Zilar) explicitly personally reached out to him
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tantek (we explicitly personally reached out to other bloggers too, but lots couldn't come for various reasons)
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tantek barnabywalters: I think the larger difference in approach is what adactio is talking about
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tantek we haven't (yet) in the UK, or in Brighton seen the problem of "too many talkers"
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tantek so it's reasonable to say, hey let's try making the barriers lower *here*, in *Brighton*, in the *UK* and see what happens.
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tantek in practice, the past two years we didn't say no to anyone who actually bothered to show up in person
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tantek nor did we have to kick anyone out
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tantek (I have had to kick people out of BarCamps and ScienceHackDay for being disruptive, but those are different stories)
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tantek (disruptive meaning really excessive stuff like getting drunk, or creepily bothering people, or both)
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gRegor` Interesting. https://twitter.com/laurakalbag/status/499219224322404353
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@laurakalbag @aral I want to sign up, but I don’t want to put links to my social networks on my homepage. So I’m a bit stuck… @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499219224322404353)
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aaronpk she figured it out
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tantek gRegor`: see later follow-ups
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tantek and I thought *I* was behind ;)
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gRegor` :)
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tantek barnabywalters: I really like the "I have my own website" - "I want my own website" split
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tantek that's really good
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barnabywalters credit goes to gRegor`
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barnabywalters I just pressed the buttons
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tantek gRegor`: awesome
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gRegor` er, aaronpk.
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gRegor` I had the kludgy "domain owner" "I want to be a domain owner" :)
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tantek you guys may have been influenced by some clever prior art / analysis here, do you know of or remember "Have Hay?" "Need Hay?"
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gRegor` aaronpk put it in human words
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barnabywalters tantek: er, nope
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gRegor` Doesn't ring a bell.
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aaronpk I've heard of "Got milk?"
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gRegor` I grew up in the country though, so have had hay. :)
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kylewm ew, milk sharing
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tantek it's something that Jeff Veen spoke about for several years back in the mid 2000s
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barnabywalters aaronpk: is that like http://www.amazon.com/architectonic-Funny-Hoodie-White-XX-Large/dp/B00FHE3DLC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407867454&sr=8-1&keywords=got+architectonic?
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tantek he discovered this back then: http://web.archive.org/web/20030201200628/http://www.fsa.usda.gov/haynet/
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aaronpk barnabywalters: lol yes like that, very similar, but not quite
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tantek and pointed out how awesomely simple and self-directed that navigation / user-choice design was
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@scottros @editer but this specific thing you're seeing is just a clumsy byproduct of some early-stage indieweb software I'm using (twitter.com/_/status/499258579061186561)
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aaronpk needhay.asp havehay.asp
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barnabywalters hah, that’s cool
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tantek designed by the USDA Farm Service Agency
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tantek classic "undesign" ;)
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@Editer RT @scottros: @editer but this specific thing you're seeing is just a clumsy byproduct of some early-stage indieweb software I'm using (twitter.com/_/status/499258749329346560)
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kylewm oh interesting https://twitter.com/Editer/status/499255709960523776
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@Editer I Favorited @scottros's latest work so I could find it to read later, but now the article says I Liked it. Is that the official meaning now? (twitter.com/_/status/499255709960523776)
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aaronpk and https://twitter.com/Editer/status/499256940661583875
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@Editer Did I miss a discussion? @scottros @twitter If Favorites now have the specific "Like" meaning then I can't use them the way I want to. (twitter.com/_/status/499256940661583875)
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tantek haha
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aaronpk interesting
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tantek what if we unintentionally cause the collapse of "Favorite" and "Like" to mean the same thing?
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tantek is that good or bad?
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gRegor` I think it's kinda bad.
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aaronpk the neutral thing to do is to call each thing what it is in each silo
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gRegor` I definitely prefer "favorite"
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aaronpk so if someone favorites on twitter, show it as a "favorite"
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tantek gRegor`: prefer "favorite" for what?
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aaronpk if someone likes it on facebook, call it "like"
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tantek perhaps we should ask the people that POSSE to both
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gRegor` I prefer to "favorite" things than "like" things.
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aaronpk gRegor`: it's not really about what you want in this case :)
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kylewm it looks like Brid.gy uses "favorited" for Twitter, e.g. https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/scottros/499248608458207232/2544208543
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ben_thatmustbeme i was toying with the idea of "like" for a post, "favorite" for a page/site
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gRegor` I do currently display the silo-appropriate term in my interactions and "likes this on Facebook" or "favorited this on Twitter"
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tantek gRegor`: based on how many more people "like" things e.g. on FB/Instagram vs. "favorite" them e.g. on Twitter, you may be an exception there ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme too many terms once you start throwing in "+1" it too
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aaronpk gRegor`: cool, yeah that seems like an appropriate thing to do (display the silo-appropriate term)
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tantek btw the "Need Hay" "Have Hay" from those mid 2000s talks inspired the top of this: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild
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gRegor` Sorry, was talking more generally. I don't think the silo's usage of the terms should be collapsed to one or the other.
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tantek gRegor`: always? or only sometimes?
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tantek e.g. I see no problem with collapsing "+1" with like
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gRegor` Meaning: I don't think we should take all the Facebook likes we get, and Twitter favorites, and display them in one section as "likes" or "favorites"
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tantek gRegor`: sounds like a personal site choice / preference
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tantek whether to lump them into one big facepile or not
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aaronpk tantek: not if it affects readers
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aaronpk er, people who are reading
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aaronpk like @Editer who was clearly taken off-guard
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tantek what did he think favorite meant?
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gRegor` Sure it's a choice. It's our own site! :) I think it's a poor one to make, though.
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tantek ah "could find it to read later"
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gRegor` +1 is a decent corollary to like though, sure
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aaronpk yes, definitely not "like"
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tantek right, "Favorite" is ambiguous, and people use it like "like", or people use it like "bookmark"
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aaronpk so scott showing his "favorite" as a "like" is like putting words into his mouth
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gRegor` Yeah, that's why I prefer the more flexible "favorite" action. I favorite things to read later, that make me laugh, or as a "prop" to the author, etc.
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tantek gRegor`: more flexible but seemingly more heavy weight (fewer people do it)
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aaronpk is now seriously considering splitting up "favorite" and "like" on his site
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tantek than like
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gRegor` Fewer people favorite tweets? Really?
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aaronpk or... maybe I can not call it anything and keep them in one pile
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tantek I just switched from "Favorite" to "Like" in my webactions
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gRegor` Fewer than what?
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tantek gRegor`: oh definitely, than "like"
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aaronpk I already don't show the bridgy text "___ favorited this", I just show faces next to a star
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tantek a like is considered more of an ephemeral throwaway
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aaronpk according to who?
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tantek people don't seem to have any need to "conserve" them.
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aaronpk facebook makes your likes relatively permanenty
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aaronpk and explicitly uses them as endorsements
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tantek aaronpk - talking about posts
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tantek rather than pages
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tantek and comments etc.
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tantek same on IG
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kylewm if they are different actions on silos, does that mean they need different mf2 markup for us to send them?
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tantek lots more likes for posts
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aaronpk (and lots of likes for comments on posts!)
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tantek right
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tantek kylewm: when someone comes up with a compelling use-case, sure
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gRegor` kylewm: That's kind of been in my mind as I would prefer to "favorite" someone's post than "like" it, but the mf2 is "like"
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tantek gRegor`: you could start experimenting with u-favorite-of if you like ;)
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gRegor` doesn't even have u-like-of yet :)
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kylewm tantek: I publish 'u-bookmark's ... here https://kylewm.com/bookmarks
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aaronpk gRegor`: oh now I remember why I live-patched my site, cause the problem only exists on my server, not my local copy
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gRegor` I'll stick with keeping it simple. "like" is definitely the momentum on indieweb sites currently
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gRegor` Ahh, newer local PHP version?
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tantek and that momentum is carried from the same momentum on silos
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gRegor` Presuming by "silos" you mean Facebook and Instagram only.
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gRegor` Since Twitter doesn't have a "like"
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tantek gRegor`: nope, I mean them all
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gRegor` Er, strike the "only"
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tantek FB and IG likes greatly out number Twitter favorites
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gRegor` Probably based on number of users.
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gRegor` I don't know how we can measure this
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tantek gRegor`: pick a method, any method. I'd challenge you to find a method where you find more favorites.
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gRegor` What's your method for saying they greatly outnumber favorites?
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tantek both maximums I've seen and frequency
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KevinMarks socially like is an assumed action, fave has a different valence
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tantek people like the smalles of things on FB, minor comments
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kylewm Instgram == like? or favorite? i alwasy thought they were just hearts...
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tantek most utterances on FB get likes
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tantek most tweets do not get faves
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tantek how about that?
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gRegor` maximums?
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KevinMarks most *human* utterances get likes
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KevinMarks liking bot content can be harmful
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gRegor` I've interpreted IG heart as "like", kylewm
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tantek KevinMarks: my POSSE posts get more likes on FB than faves on Twitter
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KevinMarks see http://www.wired.com/2014/08/i-liked-everything-i-saw-on-facebook-for-two-days-heres-what-it-did-to-me/
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tantek despite having *more* Twitter followers than FB followers
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KevinMarks yes, I'd expect that
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tantek this is my point - the difference is so drastic that good luck finding *any* metric that shows more favorites than likes
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tantek gRegor`: nothing to interpret. IG calls it *Like* in the UI.
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KevinMarks maybe Ellen's selfie
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gRegor` obviously doesn't use IG much :)
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gRegor` sees it now
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KevinMarks photo likes vs text likes would be interesting to compare
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KevinMarks I suspect twitter gets more retweets than FB gets shares per unit, but I don't have data on it
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tantek KevinMarks or compare IG photo likes vs. Flickr photo favorites. IG crushed Flickr in this a long time ago. Even more than when Flickr was popular.
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tantek I suspect more retweets as well, as a "retweet" seems a "lighter-weight" action than a "share"
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tantek or what FB calls a "share"
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tantek I'd also suspect more Tumblr "reblogs" than FB "shares" for the same reasons
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kylewm tantek: Flickr favorites are/were more weighty though, they create a curated stream that people actualyl looked at
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@drewSaysGoVeg @brendan__ryan I'm very excited about the WPL maker space! Stoked that you're into indieweb too. :) (twitter.com/_/status/499263933887160321)
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tantek kylewm - so do Flickr faves
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tantek s/Flickr/Twitter
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Loqi tantek meant to say: kylewm - so do Twitter faves
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kylewm tantek: oh! i never use them that way but i'm sure you're right
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@brendan__ryan @drewSaysGoVeg thx, i'd love to make indieweb development a focal point of the space. (twitter.com/_/status/499264349115281408)
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tantek kylewm: e.g. https://twitter.com/aaronpk/favorites :)
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aaronpk oh dear I wonder what that looks like
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tantek which used to even have an atom feed
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kylewm what is WPL?
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KevinMarks or more obviously https://twitter.com/anildash/favorites
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gRegor` kylewm: Worcester Public Library, looks like
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@drewSaysGoVeg @brendan__ryan Rad! I heard @caseorganic talk about indieweb stuff in SF a few months ago. Very inspiring. (twitter.com/_/status/499265260113510400)
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kylewm ohh, IWC Cambridge just in time
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aaronpk SO MUCH EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING
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tantek KevinMarks - I find aaronpk's favorites far more interesting and about more topics.
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tantek ironically, aaropnk's favorites are *more diverse* ;)
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KevinMarks right, I meant anil is consciously making a stream
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tantek s/aaropnk's/aaronpk
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Loqi tantek meant to say: ironically, aaronpk favorites are *more diverse* ;)
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@drewSaysGoVeg Fantastic overview of indieweb by @caseorganic via @brendan__ryan http://brendanryan.co/the-indie-web-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/499266001733570560)
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KevinMarks mine are a mix as I also use it as a flag to pipe things to pinboard for reading later
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aaronpk I often favorite things that I don't quite want to post myself
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aaronpk also I often treat it as a lighter "retweet"
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aaronpk working under the assumption that these favorites will eventually be published in a feed on my site
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KevinMarks there is the "hate fav" too
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tantek I've begun treating faves on Twitter like "likes"
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tantek giving them more freely
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tantek feels good, less cognitive load
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/note/2014/08/12/2 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List (webmention)
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kylewm hahah "hate fave"
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kylewm that's the thing where i'm "hate browsing" someone's feed and accidentally click fave?
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tantek wat
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KevinMarks of course there's a buzzfeed http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/the-types-of-twitter-fave
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KevinMarks did your heads melt at that?
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tantek bf;dr
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ben_thatmustbeme anyone want to take a sec to help me test that login works on my site now
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kylewm buzzfeed is the Godwin's law of IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme ben.thatmustbe.me
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: yes
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KevinMarks I take things like that as user interaction reports
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ben_thatmustbeme just want to make sure it works for someone other than me, login doesn't do anything yet, but at least i know it works
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KevinMarks I can try
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: I got "Signed in as https://kylewm.com" looks like it worked
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ben_thatmustbeme excellent
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KevinMarks jessica roy is a bit wittier http://time.com/4336/a-simple-guide-to-twitter-favs/
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks kylewm
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KevinMarks url ben?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: I just signed in no problem
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ben_thatmustbeme next bit is to add people to a friends list and allow them additional access
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aaronpk tantek: heh yeah my twitter favorites list is interesting
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aaronpk I wonder what it says about me
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KevinMarks do I need ogg any more or can I just do webm and mp4?
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.mahabali.me/blog/educational-technology-2/excited-about-known-withknown/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.mahabali.me/blog/educational-technology-2/excited-about-known-withknown/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Known (webmention)
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KevinMarks ie8--
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Loqi ie8 has -43 karma
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@SheSaysBrighton RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499273219606843392)
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@Natalie91231732 RT @aral: So, who else is coming to @indiewebcamp Brighton? There’s currently an embarrassing all-white-male list of “creators” http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/499273584175775745)
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@itknowingness RT @devseo: Drawing a line from @elgg to @withknown: an adventure in #edtech and #indieweb - http://werd.io/2014/drawing-a-line-from-elgg-to-withknown-an-adventure-in #socialmedia (twitter.com/_/status/499275179667632128)
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tommorris publishes a long-ish camera review with photos: http://tommorris.org/posts/9064
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@kevinmarks @mollycrabapple there are some #indieweb tools that might fit that space @withknown for example (twitter.com/_/status/499275818892156928)
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cuibonobo looking at that Molly Crabapple conversation
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cuibonobo https://twitter.com/darrylayo/status/499275524817309696
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@darrylayo @mollycrabapple Time for my quarterly invocation of the fact that I miss live journal. (twitter.com/_/status/499275524817309696)
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cuibonobo https://twitter.com/thekateblack/status/499277598741258240
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@thekateblack @mollycrabapple @darrylayo Same. The first social media site. Graduated filters. I met some of my best friends on LJ. (twitter.com/_/status/499277598741258240)
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cuibonobo https://twitter.com/lucyswope/status/499278484196560896
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@lucyswope @thekateblack @mollycrabapple @darrylayo long or short form, supported different media, privacy filters and groups, nested replies. sigh. (twitter.com/_/status/499278484196560896)
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cuibonobo https://twitter.com/jasonpgignac/status/499278996673400832
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@jasonpgignac @mollycrabapple YES! Web life needs a place to talk about things you are still trying to understand. To signal "I am ready to listen." (twitter.com/_/status/499278996673400832)
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kylewm Livejournal got sooooo much stuff right
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cuibonobo LiveJournal was kind of waning by the time i became aware of it. i wanted to post those tweets here to see if anyone here liked it too, and why
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@annkempster @aral @emmajanehw if @indiewebcamp want any help finding more speakers, I'm sure some members of @300_seconds and @AdasList could help (twitter.com/_/status/499282760453095425)
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KevinMarks LJ got most of this stuff right a decade ago
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aaronpk heh "speakers"
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KevinMarks but ended up siloed as sixapart failed to port intereop across it's 4 silos
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kylewm cuibonobo: it had straightforward per-post privacy settings that people actually used, and neat ways to agregate posts by community ... so it was a pretty good place for e.g. fan communities that have migrated to tumblr
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kylewm the privacy settings promoted deeper conversation than i think we generally see on social media
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cuibonobo kylewm: could i open an account today and check out some of that stuff? or has it changed?
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kylewm cuibonobo: hmm, not sure, i think it's all still there but pretty quiet
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aaronpk welcome aral!
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aral Hey folks, just wanted to pop and say that the guest list is looking way more approachable :)
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aaronpk glad to hear it!
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aral Hey Aaron :)
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aaronpk we were listening to all the feedback on twitter this morning
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aral Yeah, I just read through the logs
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aaronpk great
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aral Sorry for pushing a metric tonne of tweets in here but hey, I’m kind of a blunt instrument like that — happy to see that it was helpful :)
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aaronpk it's effective! provided the needed push to finally make the change
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barnabywalters aral: no, thanks! it was super useful
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aral I love that there is only one class of person — it just feels way more welcoming. I really hope this will lead to a more diverse signup. And we got quite a bit of attention in various parts today so that should help.
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aral Anyway, I have to dash (to work on my blog engine, no less… which I hope to finally be able to show off at the event). Bummed that we can only make the Sunday apparently as we have a family event on Sat. Take care / chat soon :)
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aaronpk will be great to see you there! (even if I only see you virtually!)
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aral Yeah, saw that, Aaron… better than nothing :) ’night ’night from Brighton
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barnabywalters aral: goodnight :)
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Loqi goodnight!
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cuibonobo checking out LiveJournal. interesting that the heart icon on a post means "Add to memories"
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kylewm heh, mixed metaphors
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cuibonobo so it seems more weighty than a 'like' or even a 'favorite'
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emmak cuibonobo: i miss livejournal too. i was upset when my lj friends left for myspace and facebook
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cuibonobo emmak: was it just "trendyness"? or do you think they switched because of a particular feature that was missing in LJ?
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emmak you're probably asking the wrong person since i stubbornly refused to join any more social media sites after trying out friendster and watching it flop
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gRegor` Noticing instagram now using i.instagram.com in links. Wonder why.
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cuibonobo i've been messing around with LJ trying to get stuff to show up in the 'Friends Feed', but no dice. seems broken.
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emmak the friends feed just shows posts of users you have friended, right? at least that's how it worked back when i used it
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kylewm thinking about a "who?" section to IWC event descriptions, any thoughts on this? "This event is open to anyone who creates content or tools for their own website, or wants to start (we'd love to help!). All levels of technical expertise are welcome."
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kylewm actually, I am not sure if https://twitter.com/emmajanehw/status/499218683945037824 refers to the top level page / or /2014/UK, and also not sure if it means "who is it for?" or "who is behind it?"
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@emmajanehw @aral Currently the top level page talks about the “what” but not the “who”. @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/499218683945037824)
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tantek kylewm: did you only quit for a while?
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tantek I think we have another page for that?
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tantek oh no we decided to keep it all there
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tantek "publicly "quit" posting on or using (at all) various silos, either with intended permanence, or temporarily"
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tantek kylewm: how long did your GH silo quit last?
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bret https://twitter.com/bretolius/status/483482412345593856
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@bretolius @brennannovak @oscargodson Every time you git pull from github, you are getting off github. Thats the magic! (twitter.com/_/status/483482412345593856)
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cuibonobo kylewm: do you have a specific reason for un-quitting GH?
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cuibonobo personally, i would have exactly 0 contributions to open-source projects if it weren't for github. looking at, for example, google code i'm always like, wat
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tantek cuibonobo: I think even google is like wat re: googlecode.
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cuibonobo trac? gerrit? nope and nope. i wouldn't dare touch them.
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rascul kylewm you can host your own git stuff and posse to github
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cuibonobo GH offers such a friendly interface, plus in-browser editing meant i could make tiny typo corrections without having to clone an entire repo
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rascul cuibonobo yeah that stuff can be nice, but isn't exclusive to github
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cuibonobo rascul: i tried gitlab because it seemed most similar to what i liked about GH, but the memory requirements meant i would need to upgrade my VPS
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tantek also a fan of in-browser editing
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rascul i'm not really sure what sort of solutions exist if you want to self host and have in browser editing
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rascul that never interested me much in general
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tantek rascul - MediaWiki ;)
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rascul i mean, for git repos
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tantek rascul, git is just backend plumbing ;)
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tantek is still waiting for someone to swap out MySQL in MediaWiki with git.
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rascul sure, but my opinion still stands
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rascul when i interact with git repos it's almost exclusively via command line
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tantek and for me, almost exclusively via web UI or GUI app.
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rascul different people, different opinions and ways of doing things :)
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kylewm rascul: that is what I do with a few projects http://git.kylewm.com/ ... a post-receive hook pushes them to github
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cuibonobo re: gitlab, i was in the situation where there was a tangible cost (the extra hosting $$) to an intangible benefit, i.e. "owning your data"
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rascul kylewm you might be interested in cgit
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rascul as the web interface i mean
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aaronpk cuibonobo: I have a similar feeling re: gitlab, except that I have a bunch of private stuff that would cost me more $$ to put on github
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cuibonobo and it didn't even have as many interface features (which is what i'm attracted to on GH)
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rascul another option for posse to github, 'git remote add github git@github.com:user/repo' then 'git push github'
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rascul it's effectively the same thing, easier to setup, but it's an extra step to do
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tantek rascul - perhaps add that to http://indiewebcamp.com/github#POSSE_to_GitHub ?
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kylewm rascul: thanks I'll check out cgit ... gitweb was ... not fun to set up
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rascul tantek good idea
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cuibonobo aaronpk: that's fair! the per-private-repo pricing on GH is definitely one of the pain points
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rascul kylewm cgit can be picky to setup, but i might be able to help if you decide to do it
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cuibonobo but i *still* like it better than, say, bitbucket
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rascul i find the ui much better with cgit than gitweb
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kylewm did anything become of gitorious?
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rascul gitorious is still around and alive
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tantek what is gitorius?
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rascul https://gitorious.org/ "Git hosting and collaboration software that you can install yourself"
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kylewm tantek: it's not so much that I quit for a while, it's that my silo quit wasn't very effective. since i posse redwind to github and contribute to bridgy on github, it's by far the most complete picture of "me" as a open source developer
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tantek kylewm: interesting - that's useful to know too
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kylewm I just never hear gitorious as an alternative to gitlab, etc.
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rascul it's not as feature packed
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rascul iirc, anyway, but it still can be used as an alternative
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cuibonobo kylewm: "it's by far the most complete picture of "me" as a open source developer" <-- so much this
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tantek kylewm: perhaps add that to /GitHub#Why ?
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rascul kylewm btw https://git.rascul.io running cgit
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tantek documenting why we use silos is just as useful as why not
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cuibonobo and i actually wish that *wasn't* so, because my goal with my own website is to have it be the most complete picture of myself as a person
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kylewm cuibonobo: yes exactly!
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cuibonobo but GH is just sooo good. hah
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aaronpk has an open issue to add a "code" section to his website, ironically on github https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/38
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rascul my goal is for all my git stuff to be on git.rascul.io then some of the things that others are more likely to use will make it to github
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tantek what is gitorius?
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rascul tantek could just add it to the list in /git instead of a new stub page
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Loqi Gitorious is git hosting and collaboration software that you can install as an alternative to GitHub http://indiewebcamp.com/gitorius
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rascul but then there's not the fancy dfn thing
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tantek that's why
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cuibonobo what is gitorious?
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Loqi Gitorious is git hosting and collaboration software that you can install as an alternative to GitHub http://indiewebcamp.com/gitorious
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cuibonobo weird
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aaronpk weird? lol
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cuibonobo no it's just that i thought tantek mispelled it as 'gitorius'
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cuibonobo but Loqi still gave the definition
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk MW search must be fuzzy matching
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rascul no
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aaronpk oh he made a redirect
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rascul [17:35] <Loqi> [[gitorius]] NM http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?oldid=12129&rcid=12192 * Tantek.com * (+23) r
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cuibonobo aaronpk: nope. two separate pages
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cuibonobo http://indiewebcamp.com/gitorius http://indiewebcamp.com/gitorious
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cuibonobo oh!
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cuibonobo you right
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cuibonobo wait
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cuibonobo ok this is confusing
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aaronpk MW serves the content from both URLs
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cuibonobo ok i finally got it. black magic
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aaronpk haha
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cuibonobo rascul: i was checking out your cgit installation. i'm curious about how / whether you track issues?
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rascul cuibonobo i have nothing for that at this time
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rascul git.rascul.io is just the repos, but i plan do expand on that in the future
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rascul oh it was already listed heh
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cuibonobo rascul: now that i think about it, issue tracking is important because it collects my notes / progress about a project in a single place, but maybe my own site posts can fill that gap
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rascul cuibonobo there are issue tracking solutions you can self host
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rascul bugzilla being the easy example that everybody knows, but there's a plethora of them
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tantek I thought trac was something you installed yourself on your own site?
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tantek to do issue tracking and a wiki
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rascul yes
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cuibonobo but it's so... ugly
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rascul trac is quite powerful but can be a real chore to setup and maintain, and is really for a single project
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rascul trac is also deprecated in favor of apache bloodhound, trac development has stopped and apache has taken control
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rascul redmine can be a good alternative to something like trac, it can be easier on setup/maintenance and has native multiple project support
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kylewm bugzilla is sorta the polar opposite of GH issues, instead of title+description+tags, it has every option under the sun including both "priority" and "severity" (wtf)
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rascul it was just the first thing that came to mind
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kylewm yeah, definitely belongs in the list... i use it daily
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kylewm but it is ugly :)
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rascul it's also not very newbie friendly compared to github issues
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cuibonobo was gonna try the apache bloodhound demo but it seems like it's down
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KartikPrabhu just caught up on logs
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KartikPrabhu very surprised at people being wary of "labels" in IWC event pages
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tantek what is trac?
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tantek what is bloodhound?
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tantek hmm
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: you mean Creator, Blogger, Apprentice?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I'm surprised too
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@kartik_prabhu If a lowly physicist can just walk into @indiewebcamp and call himself a ‘creator’, then anyone working on the Web surely can! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/499314196769566720)
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tantek and I wonder if it's a US vs. UK thing
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KartikPrabhu well there you go ^^
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@bear RT @kartik_prabhu: If a lowly physicist can just walk into @indiewebcamp and call himself a ‘creator’, then anyone working on the Web surel… (twitter.com/_/status/499314334334722048)
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tantek in the US we don't take such labels/hieararchy as seriously as labels / notions of class in the UK
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tantek so perhaps labels incite more sensitivity in the UK?
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tantek as does hierarchy?
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KartikPrabhu might be...
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kylewm the point that brought it home for me is that barnaby said the different categories make it seem like you'll be treated differently at the event
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kylewm like there are different tracks for bloggers or something
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tantek interesting
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KartikPrabhu is that bad?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: well, it's potentially divisive, which is bad
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kylewm well, mostly because it's incorrect :)
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KartikPrabhu do people expect to be doing the same thing regardless of their skill set?
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KartikPrabhu or goals
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tantek KartikPrabhu: we're all likely to be doing different things / goals, so why deliberately publicly split people on just that axis?
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KartikPrabhu because it is one axis. an obvious one. can you do stuff on your own, or do you need more help to get this setup
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KartikPrabhu why is there a stigma to not knowing some obscure technical stuff.
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KartikPrabhu you don't know. ok show up and learn
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aaronpk i once set up trac, actually twice. it was totaly worth it before github existed
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aaronpk actually i had 3 instances running
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@hadleybeeman @kevinmarks @fruitingbodies @aral @SheSaysBrighton @300SecondsBTN @indiewebcamp Hi! No clue yet if that wknd'll work, but I'd love to say hi (twitter.com/_/status/499315313394343936)
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kylewm the cool thing to me is that, the small intentional barrier to entry is still there, it's just not the *primary* thing on the page
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KartikPrabhu does not understand all this people stuff anyway. thank fully gRegor` is handling PR for HWC-Chicago ;)
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KartikPrabhu does all the @references count towards twitter 140-limit?
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rascul aaronpk i've ran trac many times, in some cases i did some trickery to get multiple project stuff
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rascul github did seem to replace trac in many cases
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rascul aaronpk have you used redmine?
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aaronpk briefly i believe
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rascul it's pretty good, i was using it for awhile after trac development stopped
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rascul well not really stopped i guess, but stopped progressing anyway, which is what caused apache's fork
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aaronpk huh, haven't been following that
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rascul redmine is ruby
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kylewm !tell benwerd could you create a HWC event + FB copy pretty please?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: start posting indie-events! :P
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@kevinmarks @hadleybeeman @fruitingbodies @aral @SheSaysBrighton @300SecondsBTN @indiewebcamp we were wondering if 300 seconds people would like to go (twitter.com/_/status/499322403793559553)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: hey, you start posting indie-events, e.g. for Chicago :P ;)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: doesn't feel like a priority for me to do that for just one event I'd ever post :P Thinking hard about reading- highlights/bookmarks at the moment though
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tantek KartikPrabhu: you mean the event you'd post every two weeks? ;)
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tantek to be fair it's on my list too, below other stuff: http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#event_posts
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KartikPrabhu tantek: well I still don't know if it is one recurring event or many individual events
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gRegor` is more likely to have events up before KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu well there you go!
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gRegor` I didn't know I was te PR guy though. Haha
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there is no such thing as a recurring event, things always change.
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gRegor` s/te/the/
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: I didn't know I was the PR guy though. Haha
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tantek there is an illusion of many similar events that appear to be "recurring" but in practice the illusion is shattered.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: you wear many hats
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aaronpk this is why calagator.org does not let you create recurring events
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aaronpk you can "clone" one event to a later date
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KartikPrabhu tantek: from a UX perspective it would be useful to have recurring events. I would like to get e notification/alarm of HWC everytime it happens. I'd hate for me to explicitly tell that every 2 weeks
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gRegor` I can see a use case down the line for a system that automatically creates events on a recurring basis, but each would be an individual event.
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gRegor` For now I'm just going to set up individual events manually though.
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KartikPrabhu so can I get updates to HWC everytime it happens?
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gRegor` Meaning read an events feed? Sure
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: but i only want updates to HWC not some random party you throw
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gRegor` Yeah
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gRegor` I suppose if I implemented tags
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gRegor` But again, this is all "down the line" stuff for me.
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gRegor` I'd rather post events manually and be able to display RSVPs first
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KartikPrabhu sure. but that is what I mean by having recurring events might be useful even for readers
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gRegor` I feel like the "recurring" part of this is plumbing.
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gRegor` How do you suggest getting HWC events but not others?
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gRegor` It seems you could read the whole feed and parse by name, or a category
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aaronpk tags++
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Loqi tags has 2 karma
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gRegor` Or the publisher could make feeds filterable by tags
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gRegor` Other options?
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gRegor` I say that "recurring" seems like plumbing, because in the options I just listed, it doesn't matter whether I'm posting events manually each two weeks, or a script is doing it for me on a recurring basis. They're all events in a feed.
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tantek When you subscribe, filter by tag or simple name of event like gmail filters
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gRegor` Heading out to see Guardians of the Galaxy. Back later.
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gRegor` I think that's the best solution so far, too, tantek
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tantek But worry about just posting indie events first
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tantek Then worry about subscribing to them.
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gRegor` Yep.
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tantek recurrence is a social construct, not technical nor mechanical
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KartikPrabhu tantek: re: recurrence = social. exactly! that is why it is importantto at least provide recurrence as a UI construct
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aaronpk i still think calagator made the right call on this
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aaronpk easy to clone an event, but no technical solution to recurrence
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KartikPrabhu is now storing quotes/highlights from Web reading in text files to be made into marginalia posts soon
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yeah that is a good solution
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tantek KartikPrabhu: No on UI construct, because that's technical
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tantek Cloning events makes sense though
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tantek aaronpk: Does calagator provide any provenance of the cloning?
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KartikPrabhu hmm will argue this point again when readers become more wide spread and people start subscribing to events
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tantek "This event is part of a series of events. The previous one was here. The next one is here."
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aaronpk tantek: no I don't believe so
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aaronpk i've been using tags for that
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aaronpk e.g. http://calagator.org/events/tag/indieweb
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aaronpk oh hey they launched my suggested change!
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aaronpk non-query string URLs for tags
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tantek Seems like cloning could automatically add such links to both events
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aaronpk agreed
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KartikPrabhu URL question: I have been using URLs like https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/tag=web for tags. Is there a case for the tag/web pattern?
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aaronpk = don't really belong in paths
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aaronpk that's a query string thing
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: is that a "moral" stance on something about = not allowed in URLs?
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KartikPrabhu moral = of principle
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aaronpk esthetic :)
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@kevinmarks @nebrius @emmajanehw @aral @ModelViewMedia @indieWebcamp had women founders in Portland, need to find them in the UK (twitter.com/_/status/499332014470754305)
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rascul could be confusing, because often there could be something similar, /?tag=web
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KartikPrabhu if i do tag/web then I feel I should have a page corresponding to just tag/ in which I have nothing to put
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rascul list tags on tag/
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aaronpk a list of your tags!
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KartikPrabhu that is not helpful IMO. no one goes looking for just a list of tags without any content on a page
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KartikPrabhu content = posts
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rascul sometimes i do
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rascul and sometimes it leads me to interesting posts i wouldn't have noticed otherwise
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KartikPrabhu well I already have a list of tags below every "archive/stream/feed" page
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@grove Cool to see the team @withknown pivot to the edu market. #indieweb #matter3 (twitter.com/_/status/499340594645577728)
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